This is one of Crusoe's big selling points. The fact that it's X86-compatible (yet low power etc. for internet appliances) means that standard browser plugins work with it.
I'm not as sure of the situation with the Quran, but an individual translation of the Bible can be, (and many are) copyrighted. This is to prevent unscruplous people removing the bits they don't like, or adding bits, and passing the result off as the real thing:-)
The NET Bible has pretty lax usage restrictions, I think.
(incidentally, Mozilla is a classic example of mismatched goals - people were hoping for a browser, the Mozilla team wanted to create something else. I sure wish there'd been more duplication of effort there, we could have a lightweight browser that didn't need mozembed.)
Surely the point of free software is that you create what you want to, not what anyone else wants? Mozilla.org was set up to create many things, one of which was a standards-compliant HTML rendering engine. They also decided to build a browser on their technologies, as it happens. But they could have built something else. A mail/news client, for example;-)
Anyone tech-savvy enough to be reading Slashdot shouldn't be using a consumer-targetted product like Netscape 6 anyway. It's like using a $19.95 drill instead of a Hole Hawg (for those of you who have read In The Beginning Was The Command Line.)
I'd be very interested to know the legal situation regarding MP3 encoders etc. in the UK (and other countries). In which countries are various patents valid?
I'm not interested in stealing music, but I would like to encode MP3s of music I own (is that legal in the UK?) on my PC to produce a random access jukebox.
It would be more funny if some of the things he says weren't painfully true. As an example, leaving aside their relative technical merits of GNOME and KDE, I'm sure everyone agrees that being in the position of "threefold duplication of effort" as he puts it, is not a good one.
The really controversial bit is the section on "tools", right? Well, it says after that:
with intent that it be used for the purpose of committing the offences established in Articles 2 - 5
So, they have to prove that you are going to use the tools to break into computer systems to which you do not have "right", i.e. which aren't yours.
This doesn't outlaw white-hat stuff at all, because you can do white-hat stuff against your own boxes. Is anyone here going to stand up and say that we should all have the right to text exploits on other people's machines?
In the same way, BugTraq will be perfectly safe unless people stop putting a disclaimer at the bottom which says "educational purposes only."
I love NEdit - the Windows key combinations are too deeply ingrained in my head to make it at all easy to use an editor which doesn't support them. You even have a version for SunOS, which our Comlab runs here at Oxford.
However, sometimes I have to use Windows, and the Windows "port" of NEdit seems a bit heavyweight, what with it requiring an X server.
Are there any decent free software editors for Windows? I've tried PFE, but it can't cope with mouse wheel scrolling. I currently use ConTEXT, which is OK. But can I do better?
1) The Mozilla project will not stop working on Composer, Mail/News, XUL, the application framework etc. because releasing a product with less functionality than NS 4.x would be a disaster, and they aren't going to rearchitect the whole thing now. If you don't like it, don't whinge - use Galeon.
2) Everyone involved with Mozilla is busting their butt to get Netscape Beta 2 out of the door. They are not sitting around saying "AOL told me to stop working this month."
3) The fact that outside contributors have contributed IRC clients and games written on Mozilla is a demonstration of its power, and people having fun, not an indication of a lack of focus.
4) Don't moan about standards compliance without quoting Bugzilla bug numbers.
5) Mozilla is currently big and slow because it's full of debugging code and no performance or footprint optimisations have been done yet. They will happen, almost full-time, after Netscape Beta 2.
6) There is a 4.x-lookalike UI in the nightly builds. Don't moan about the default skin - it's for testing purposes.
7) Make no comments about NS 6 Pre 1. By Mozilla standards, it's ancient.
8) We all know Netscape 4 sucks. IE 5 is better than it. You can stop making this point. The code is currently in "security bug fix only" mode because all the developers are working on Mozilla.
9) If you want to do something constructive but aren't a ninja coder, check out The QA Help page.
but the Mozilla.org page sure seems like anyone can help out in almost anywhichway. Sounds like OSS at its worst
Have a look at the checkin rules on the tinderbox page - just because everyone is encouraged to contribute doesn't mean any old random code gets checked in!
Data Connection almost certainly provide exactly what you want. They do a total package - app sharing, video, audio, whiteboard, chat, the works. The relevant web page is here.
Last year I asked John Birt, then Director General of the BBC, why they didn't open up their archives. The reason was that most things the BBC "owns" it doesn't - loads of other people control various rights, and it's not cost-effective to get everything cleared so they can give it away.
A reasonable (although not perfect) excuse, I think.
If you want MNG, someone has to pick up the ball and run with it, as no-one on the team at the moment has the bandwidth to take it on. See this bug for the full story.
mozilla.org != Netscape. If Netscape decide to remove this feature completely in Netscape 6, or not provide a UI for it, that's their business. It has nothing to do with mozilla.org.
mozilla.org produces software for developers, not end users (most of the time). Netscape will produce the first end-user browser based on Mozilla - and how much Mozilla tech is in it is completely up to them.
The feature is not "gone". It never went. You can enable it using a JS pref (as is said above). The UI is currently going through major upheaval as we head towards Netscape feature freeze date on the 16th of May, when all the Netscape engineers working on the project will stop checking in features (as they have a perfect right to do).
The current Mozilla builds are nightlies, downloaded by a few people for testing. If you download one, you'll find green and purple lines surrounding half the UI elements. Why? Debugging. Ugly? Yeah. A Slashdot story? No. Just more evidence of UI changes.
My point: this is _not_ a big deal. No-one has said this feature is going away from the code available from mozilla.org. Any feature that is destabilising the build could be deactivated. Tooltips are currently not working either, when they were last week. No fuss about that...
I wonder how well that verse survived after all the translations throughout history though. I wonder what it originally said.
That translation is direct original Greek (the same Greek is in all of the approx. 5000 copies of the New Testament we have from around around 250 AD) -> English. There have been no intermediate translations.
It's amazing how many people believe this myth that the Bible has been retranslated many times over the years, and has in some way "lost it's meaning" (as if a few translations could change the entire meaning of a book anyway).
In fact, we have many copies of all of the Bible in its original languages.
"The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil" - The Bible, 1 Timothy 6:10, NIV
The original source actually says something quite different - the love of money is the problem, and it's only a root (there are plenty more;-), and not of all evil, but all kinds.
Kind of changes the meaning a lot from the misquoted version, doesn't it?
RMS said: any being no matter how powerful can still be wrong
So, if you postulate a God (who would be the most powerful being in the Universe, rather by definition) and then say he's wrong, who is he wrong compared to? Surely such a being would be right by definition, particularly if they were omniscient.
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This is one of Crusoe's big selling points. The fact that it's X86-compatible (yet low power etc. for internet appliances) means that standard browser plugins work with it.
Gerv
The originals are long out of copyright :-)
:-)
I'm not as sure of the situation with the Quran, but an individual translation of the Bible can be, (and many are) copyrighted. This is to prevent unscruplous people removing the bits they don't like, or adding bits, and passing the result off as the real thing
The NET Bible has pretty lax usage restrictions, I think.
Gerv
(incidentally, Mozilla is a classic example of mismatched goals - people were hoping for a browser, the Mozilla team wanted to create something else. I sure wish there'd been more duplication of effort there, we could have a lightweight browser that didn't need mozembed.)
;-)
Surely the point of free software is that you create what you want to, not what anyone else wants? Mozilla.org was set up to create many things, one of which was a standards-compliant HTML rendering engine. They also decided to build a browser on their technologies, as it happens. But they could have built something else. A mail/news client, for example
Gerv
(no not M18, it's old news.)
Anyone tech-savvy enough to be reading Slashdot shouldn't be using a consumer-targetted product like Netscape 6 anyway. It's like using a $19.95 drill instead of a Hole Hawg (for those of you who have read In The Beginning Was The Command Line.)
Gerv
I'd be very interested to know the legal situation regarding MP3 encoders etc. in the UK (and other countries). In which countries are various patents valid?
I'm not interested in stealing music, but I would like to encode MP3s of music I own (is that legal in the UK?) on my PC to produce a random access jukebox.
Gerv
It would be more funny if some of the things he says weren't painfully true. As an example, leaving aside their relative technical merits of GNOME and KDE, I'm sure everyone agrees that being in the position of "threefold duplication of effort" as he puts it, is not a good one.
Gerv
The really controversial bit is the section on "tools", right? Well, it says after that:
with intent that it be used for the purpose of committing the offences established in Articles 2 - 5
So, they have to prove that you are going to use the tools to break into computer systems to which you do not have "right", i.e. which aren't yours.
This doesn't outlaw white-hat stuff at all, because you can do white-hat stuff against your own boxes. Is anyone here going to stand up and say that we should all have the right to text exploits on other people's machines?
In the same way, BugTraq will be perfectly safe unless people stop putting a disclaimer at the bottom which says "educational purposes only."
Gerv
I love NEdit - the Windows key combinations are too deeply ingrained in my head to make it at all easy to use an editor which doesn't support them. You even have a version for SunOS, which our Comlab runs here at Oxford.
:-)
However, sometimes I have to use Windows, and the Windows "port" of NEdit seems a bit heavyweight, what with it requiring an X server.
Are there any decent free software editors for Windows? I've tried PFE, but it can't cope with mouse wheel scrolling. I currently use ConTEXT, which is OK. But can I do better?
(Anyone else, feel free to answer this
Gerv
They have already branched. M18 will be released from the trunk (as opposed to the NS 6 branch) sometime later this week.
Gerv
I suggested this for the Source Code contest. It didn't win :-(
Gerv
1) The Mozilla project will not stop working on Composer, Mail/News, XUL, the application framework etc. because releasing a product with less functionality than NS 4.x would be a disaster, and they aren't going to rearchitect the whole thing now. If you don't like it, don't whinge - use Galeon.
2) Everyone involved with Mozilla is busting their butt to get Netscape Beta 2 out of the door. They are not sitting around saying "AOL told me to stop working this month."
3) The fact that outside contributors have contributed IRC clients and games written on Mozilla is a demonstration of its power, and people having fun, not an indication of a lack of focus.
4) Don't moan about standards compliance without quoting Bugzilla bug numbers.
5) Mozilla is currently big and slow because it's full of debugging code and no performance or footprint optimisations have been done yet. They will happen, almost full-time, after Netscape Beta 2.
6) There is a 4.x-lookalike UI in the nightly builds. Don't moan about the default skin - it's for testing purposes.
7) Make no comments about NS 6 Pre 1. By Mozilla standards, it's ancient.
8) We all know Netscape 4 sucks. IE 5 is better than it. You can stop making this point. The code is currently in "security bug fix only" mode because all the developers are working on Mozilla.
9) If you want to do something constructive but aren't a ninja coder, check out The QA Help page.
Gerv
What possible contribution can I make to Mozilla?
Loads - check out The QA Help Page or The BugAThon.
Gerv
but the Mozilla.org page sure seems like anyone can help out in almost anywhichway. Sounds like OSS at its worst
Have a look at the checkin rules on the tinderbox page - just because everyone is encouraged to contribute doesn't mean any old random code gets checked in!
Gerv
Data Connection almost certainly provide exactly what you want. They do a total package - app sharing, video, audio, whiteboard, chat, the works. The relevant web page is here.
Gerv
Last year I asked John Birt, then Director General of the BBC, why they didn't open up their archives. The reason was that most things the BBC "owns" it doesn't - loads of other people control various rights, and it's not cost-effective to get everything cleared so they can give it away.
A reasonable (although not perfect) excuse, I think.
Gerv
Mozilla out of the box may well not work with Junkbuster; it requires HTTP 1.1 to be turned off in Mozilla, as Junkbuster doesn't support that.
Search Bugzilla for "Junkbuster" and you'll find the name of the pref. you have to set.
Gerv
If you want MNG, someone has to pick up the ball and run with it, as no-one on the team at the moment has the bandwidth to take it on. See this bug for the full story.
Gerv
I doubt that our network Admin will be all that impressed with a letter which goes on about the Motion Picture Association of America...
Gerv
mozilla.org != Netscape. If Netscape decide to remove this feature completely in Netscape 6, or not provide a UI for it, that's their business. It has nothing to do with mozilla.org.
mozilla.org produces software for developers, not end users (most of the time). Netscape will produce the first end-user browser based on Mozilla - and how much Mozilla tech is in it is completely up to them.
Gerv
The feature is not "gone". It never went. You can enable it using a JS pref (as is said above). The UI is currently going through major upheaval as we head towards Netscape feature freeze date on the 16th of May, when all the Netscape engineers working on the project will stop checking in features (as they have a perfect right to do).
The current Mozilla builds are nightlies, downloaded by a few people for testing. If you download one, you'll find green and purple lines surrounding half the UI elements. Why? Debugging. Ugly? Yeah. A Slashdot story? No. Just more evidence of UI changes.
My point: this is _not_ a big deal. No-one has said this feature is going away from the code available from mozilla.org. Any feature that is destabilising the build could be deactivated. Tooltips are currently not working either, when they were last week. No fuss about that...
Gerv
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Fair enough - thanks :-)
Gerv
I wonder how well that verse survived after all the translations throughout history though. I wonder what it originally said.
That translation is direct original Greek (the same Greek is in all of the approx. 5000 copies of the New Testament we have from around around 250 AD) -> English. There have been no intermediate translations.
It's amazing how many people believe this myth that the Bible has been retranslated many times over the years, and has in some way "lost it's meaning" (as if a few translations could change the entire meaning of a book anyway).
In fact, we have many copies of all of the Bible in its original languages.
Gerv
"The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil" - The Bible, 1 Timothy 6:10, NIV
;-), and not of all evil, but all kinds.
The original source actually says something quite different - the love of money is the problem, and it's only a root (there are plenty more
Kind of changes the meaning a lot from the misquoted version, doesn't it?
Gerv
Q: Are there any good case studies of large corporations opening up proprietary in-house source code?
:-)
Mozilla, surely
RMS said:
any being no matter how powerful can still be wrong
So, if you postulate a God (who would be the most powerful being in the Universe, rather by definition) and then say he's wrong, who is he wrong compared to? Surely such a being would be right by definition, particularly if they were omniscient.
Gerv
Mozilla has to be a platform - the browser is the first App built on it. If you are going to do total standards compliance, that's the only way to go.
Don't worry - they are not implementing bits we don't need for shipping the browser/mailnews client etc. Yet. That comes later.
Gerv