Kidpix, Appleworks, Netscape 4.77 with AOLIM removed, Hypercard, etc.. on the 8.1 side of the house.
NetBSD for when they decide they want to know how it really works.
Photoshop is a great choice for kids.
It only requires 30-40 units of college classes to understand it. While we're at it we can throw Maya on it. Or better yet, we can put Pov-ray on the NetBSD side.
And I'm shure they'll just love working with Access databases too!
Before you turn your laptop into a picture frame, consider giving it to a student or child that will never have a computer of their own without assistance.
How did your first computer change your life?
Would you be where you are today without having had it?
Turn your oven to 100 degrees F, use a thermometer to insure that is actually 100 degrees F. Prepare a cookie sheet with a half inch layer of baking soda and a half inch layer of sand on top of the soda. Place the offending circuit board component side down on the sand bed. Insure that there are no insulated wires in with it (remove the northbridge cooler). Cook for 24 hours. Raise temp to 140 for another 48 hours.
The board did not get cooked long enough at the fab to get all the flux out of the soldier. It will not last long without a good cooking. The soldier will be very prone to cracking until the board is properly cooked.
DO NOT try to accelerate the process by using higher heat. The plastic components will melt. this is normally done before the capacitors are mounted so be SURE not to exceed 140 F.
Let it cool at 100 F for 4 hours then cool overnight with oven powered off still on it's sandbed until the thermometer is reading same as ambient air temprature.
Clean Oven before and after. Use the vent fan the entire time the process is running. Failure rate should be 5-15%. Boot the board clean (no components, CPU, memory) listen for no CPU beep code, add processor, listen for no memory beep code, add memory, listen for no video beep code, and video card etc...
The sand bed is hazardous waste. Flux, while a paste at room temperature, is an acid when heated.
Perhaps the unnamed patron of the Linux X Box project is microsoft itself. They have been known to have an odd way of conducting job interview, this being an interview process similar to Halflife's.
How is it that Knoppix can get it so right and the major distros are a hash?
Of my 7 personal computers:
Knoppix boots them all, with all their devises functioning.
Mandrake 8.2 fails to initialize USB on 3 of them. Redhat 7.3 fails to initialize the video on 2 of them (and therefore fails to start X) Debian 3.0r0 fails to intialize a standard PS/2 mouse on one and ethernet cards on 4. SUSE 8.0 does not recognize the second CPU in a dual processor machine!?
1. Only if it is identifiable as once being an open source project.
2.True
3.The Chinese have more development dollars behind Linux than we do. It is quite possible that their fork would be better than ours. It could be our loss not theirs.
Based on what they can pay a developer, there might be 20 times as many developers working on Linux in China as there are In the US for every billion dollars invested.
A billion dollars has been invested in china. 20 billion has not been invested in Linux development in the US. By that logic, China's Linux fork should be better than anyones... except IBM...
By US copywrite law, a fork in a GPL'd application is also GPL'd.
They have passed some intellectual property laws in order to join the world trade organization but have a long history of simply using other people's patents and copywritten works. 4 years of laws do not break 50 years of history.
So they have found another way: They have blocked sourceforge. How do they publish source? Interestingly, IBM's Linux development center is not blocked.
Yes, by copywrite law, any fork of a GPL product is automatically a GPL product. But only by law.
For instance, China is a full democracy by law. But there is only one candidate in any election.
Can use your $3,000 mac to replace a 100 dollar a month service. It will pay for itself in only three years. By then it will be obsolete anyway... never mind it already is obsolete.
You know, the rest of us use old Pentiums to run in house webservers. In fact, I've even done it on a IIci running NetBSD.
Did you all just realize that the internet comes from servers and not from AOL? Beauler? Beauler?
There was Grim Fandango, Gabriel Knight and Monkey Island... Then online gaming really picked up. Adventure gaming died because your "opponent" is the person who set the puzzle. The puzzle never changes. Compare that challenge to evolving strategies of online opponents.
Games sell because of challenge. Play Counterstrike for three years and what challenge is there? A bunch of other people who have also been playing for three years.
Play Grim Fandango for 3 years and you have played Grim Fandango for three years.
I see trustworthy computing as a reaction to legislation (DMCA et al) by an industry (technology) that pumps 500 billion dollars a year into the economy.
The industry that is stifleing the tech industy, content producers, is barely a 30 billion dollar a year industry.
The content producers are leveraging legislation to raise their profits at the expence of the technology companies.
That is not legitimate. If the content producers double their profits while the tech industry gets theirs cut in half, the economy has lost 220 billion in revenue.
Sure this story confirms what we all knew. Microsoft even admitted it. But this is great ammo and could use better exposure. How many "ask slashdot" stories have we seen with some admin looking for just this sort of ammo to convince his bosses that Linux deployment was worthwile...
On another note, wouldn't it have been nice to see more platforms included? X serve, FreeBSD, SGI, Alpha/Tru64 and Power 4 would have made good additions. Perhaps, if this is not just biased "Linux is the best because we didn't bother including good competitors", we could see some further research on this subject.
Exactly how are the Chinese pushing Linux? IBM has invested a billion dollars in Linux development in China (In the form of 4 huge college like development centers).
But China has Sourceforge blocked.
China has Sourceforge blocked.
So China is pushing a non GPL Fork of Linux that we will NEVER see the benifit from except as a retail product from IBM.
with "Our products just aren't engineered for security"..
we need the help of hardware developers to produce a secure OS. Intel is good because they are helping. IBM is bad because they aren't helping. Linux is bad because they don't support secure hardware. Apple is bad because they are not locked into our platform. blah blah.
I'll use enterprise level hardware running linux as a desktop before I ever run paladium commodity hardware.
Or I will stick to my current desktop running linux untill Microsoft is brought to HEEL.
If you are willing to accept false answers from a quantum computer being used as a signal processor, the signal you recieve will be from another universe...
We can communicate with other universes.
I can transmit messages to Perdos in parallel universes.
No.
You can not store and retrieve more than one bit in an atom using quantum states.
They are SLOW. Great tool for learning but you are way better off price/performance/power density with a stack of dual athlon motherboards.
$500 bucks for a dual board plus 2 2000MPs -vs- 5 VIA EPIA boards. No Contest. Three dualy athlons will fit in a wide mid tower for stealth clustering. Probly stuff two into an indigo.. except it's not quite tall enough.. Might have to use some serious low profile power supplies.
The other route is to try their backplane version.. problem is, quad G4s are also available on a backplane...
Of course they do have some interesting design elements. Full duplex 10/100 ethernet that can be "split" for dual 10/100 half duplex.
Firewire networking at 480 Mb/s also has interesting possibilities.
Remember your switch has to fit inside too and a 12 port switch is going to be bigger than a 4 port switch.
The C3 is a socket 370 processor but in the case of the EPIA it's soldiered to the board. Perhaps they'll make a tulatin variety some day.
Must be lightning protection - check the weather there
Also get a load of the parts left over in a pile in the foreground of the picture... If you had that many parts left over after building a computer, not only would it not run, but you'd probably smoke something.
Why is it that there is no serious commercial market for quality case design?
Computers are tools. Do we really need glossy shiny plastic to boost our egos and raise prices even when the functionality of the computer is not improved?
The only company actually seriously doing any design work is Apple. Some of these cases are exceptional, and I know I'd pay decent money for them.
Why would you pay more for something that is functionally equivalent? Why do you ignoor your own creative abilities? You want a nice case? Do it yourself. You don't need Apple dictating your style to you on a mass produce assembly line.
And if you must have a company sell you something for you to feel like you have a superior case, buy a commercial water cooled or vapor phase change case. At least then you have something functionally usefull and realitively unique.
That was actually my submission to The Register when they held a contest for Eden applications. VIA was giving away a bunch of these Eden mini-ITX systems to the winners. That is where VIA's applications page came from.
Imagine a cluster sitting on top of every desktop in a classroom. Instead of just being able to use time on a cluster to explore it's architecture or a class building one cluster as a project, each student would have their own cluster.
Problem is, even the 800mhz C3 performs no petter than a 450 PII. Additionally, the processor has absolutely no parallelism. Only one path with no out of order instructions.
That lack of balls does give them an advantage: they draw only 60 watts for the entire system. That includes memory processor and all.
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No,
not when you include proprietary software on proprietary hardware on your open source list.
Kidpix, Appleworks, Netscape 4.77 with AOLIM removed, Hypercard, etc.. on the 8.1 side of the house.
NetBSD for when they decide they want to know how it really works.
Photoshop is a great choice for kids.
It only requires 30-40 units of college classes to understand it. While we're at it we can throw Maya on it. Or better yet, we can put Pov-ray on the NetBSD side.
And I'm shure they'll just love working with Access databases too!
We get a lab of new iMacs into the school.
A week later, we ship them all back.
First it was a rash of cracked screens.
The kids were poking their fingers into them.
Then it was a broken arm.
They both wanted to look at it.
But the children could not match what came next:
They all got washed with whiteboard cleaner.
By the principal.
An hour before open house.
The PHB said "they ARE white."
It turned them blue.
The parents got to see their tax dollars at work.
We traded them for eMacs.
The PHB kept his job.
vi.
three decades old.
try understanding unix without it.
included with OS X.
go to the command line, type vi.
that is your shiny new mac.
with a three decade old text editor in it.
Runs perfectly the same on a duo with NetBSD.
I used a IIci as a mail server running NetBSD.
A IIci is the half the speed of a DUO.
Ask me again what a child can learn on a DUO.
Running NetBSD/8.1, there is absolutely Nothing a child can't learn on a DUO.
Before you turn your laptop into a picture frame, consider giving it to a student or child that will never have a computer of their own without assistance.
How did your first computer change your life?
Would you be where you are today without having had it?
Turn your oven to 100 degrees F, use a thermometer to insure that is actually 100 degrees F. Prepare a cookie sheet with a half inch layer of baking soda and a half inch layer of sand on top of the soda. Place the offending circuit board component side down on the sand bed. Insure that there are no insulated wires in with it (remove the northbridge cooler). Cook for 24 hours. Raise temp to 140 for another 48 hours.
The board did not get cooked long enough at the fab to get all the flux out of the soldier. It will not last long without a good cooking. The soldier will be very prone to cracking until the board is properly cooked.
DO NOT try to accelerate the process by using higher heat. The plastic components will melt. this is normally done before the capacitors are mounted so be SURE not to exceed 140 F.
Let it cool at 100 F for 4 hours then cool overnight with oven powered off still on it's sandbed until the thermometer is reading same as ambient air temprature.
Clean Oven before and after. Use the vent fan the entire time the process is running. Failure rate should be 5-15%. Boot the board clean (no components, CPU, memory) listen for no CPU beep code, add processor, listen for no memory beep code, add memory, listen for no video beep code, and video card etc...
The sand bed is hazardous waste. Flux, while a paste at room temperature, is an acid when heated.
Perhaps the unnamed patron of the Linux X Box project is microsoft itself. They have been known to have an odd way of conducting job interview, this being an interview process similar to Halflife's.
Exactly!
How is it that Knoppix can get it so right and the major distros are a hash?
Of my 7 personal computers:
Knoppix boots them all, with all their devises functioning.
Mandrake 8.2 fails to initialize USB on 3 of them.
Redhat 7.3 fails to initialize the video on 2 of them (and therefore fails to start X)
Debian 3.0r0 fails to intialize a standard PS/2 mouse on one and ethernet cards on 4.
SUSE 8.0 does not recognize the second CPU in a dual processor machine!?
I just don't understand.
1. Only if it is identifiable as once being an open source project.
2.True
3.The Chinese have more development dollars behind Linux than we do. It is quite possible that their fork would be better than ours. It could be our loss not theirs.
Based on what they can pay a developer, there might be 20 times as many developers working on Linux in China as there are In the US for every billion dollars invested.
A billion dollars has been invested in china. 20 billion has not been invested in Linux development in the US. By that logic, China's Linux fork should be better than anyones... except IBM...
But only by US copywrite law. See my other post
By US copywrite law, a fork in a GPL'd application is also GPL'd.
They have passed some intellectual property laws in order to join the world trade organization but have a long history of simply using other people's patents and copywritten works. 4 years of laws do not break 50 years of history.
So they have found another way: They have blocked sourceforge. How do they publish source? Interestingly, IBM's Linux development center is not blocked.
Yes, by copywrite law, any fork of a GPL product is automatically a GPL product. But only by law.
For instance, China is a full democracy by law. But there is only one candidate in any election.
Can use your $3,000 mac to replace a 100 dollar a month service. It will pay for itself in only three years. By then it will be obsolete anyway... never mind it already is obsolete.
You know, the rest of us use old Pentiums to run in house webservers. In fact, I've even done it on a IIci running NetBSD.
Did you all just realize that the internet comes from servers and not from AOL? Beauler? Beauler?
Warcraft III.
What is its framerate?
What is its unit sales?
Framerate does not sell games.
There was Grim Fandango, Gabriel Knight and Monkey Island... Then online gaming really picked up. Adventure gaming died because your "opponent" is the person who set the puzzle. The puzzle never changes. Compare that challenge to evolving strategies of online opponents.
Games sell because of challenge. Play Counterstrike for three years and what challenge is there? A bunch of other people who have also been playing for three years.
Play Grim Fandango for 3 years and you have played Grim Fandango for three years.
Challenge not Framerate.
I see trustworthy computing as a reaction to legislation (DMCA et al) by an industry (technology) that pumps 500 billion dollars a year into the economy.
The industry that is stifleing the tech industy, content producers, is barely a 30 billion dollar a year industry.
The content producers are leveraging legislation to raise their profits at the expence of the technology companies.
That is not legitimate. If the content producers double their profits while the tech industry gets theirs cut in half, the economy has lost 220 billion in revenue.
Kill the computer to save Mickey Mouse.
Bullshit
Sure this story confirms what we all knew. Microsoft even admitted it. But this is great ammo and could use better exposure. How many "ask slashdot" stories have we seen with some admin looking for just this sort of ammo to convince his bosses that Linux deployment was worthwile...
On another note, wouldn't it have been nice to see more platforms included? X serve, FreeBSD, SGI, Alpha/Tru64 and Power 4 would have made good additions. Perhaps, if this is not just biased "Linux is the best because we didn't bother including good competitors", we could see some further research on this subject.
Compaq, HP, IBM, Intel and Microsoft are on the steering comittee.
National Semicinductor, Novell, Nvidia and AMD are members along with 180 other spineless companies.
Notably absent are VIA and Sony
Exactly how are the Chinese pushing Linux? IBM has invested a billion dollars in Linux development in China (In the form of 4 huge college like development centers).
But China has Sourceforge blocked.
China has Sourceforge blocked.
So China is pushing a non GPL Fork of Linux that we will NEVER see the benifit from except as a retail product from IBM.
with "Our products just aren't engineered for security"..
we need the help of hardware developers to produce a secure OS. Intel is good because they are helping. IBM is bad because they aren't helping. Linux is bad because they don't support secure hardware. Apple is bad because they are not locked into our platform. blah blah.
I'll use enterprise level hardware running linux as a desktop before I ever run paladium commodity hardware.
Or I will stick to my current desktop running linux untill Microsoft is brought to HEEL.
If you are willing to accept false answers from a quantum computer being used as a signal processor, the signal you recieve will be from another universe...
We can communicate with other universes.
I can transmit messages to Perdos in parallel universes.
No.
You can not store and retrieve more than one bit in an atom using quantum states.
about moore's law?
And a brick wall?
Methinks there is no higher density than bit-per-atom.
hrm... bit per electron...
Wait, I got as far as benching these things:
They are SLOW. Great tool for learning but you are way better off price/performance/power density with a stack of dual athlon motherboards.
$500 bucks for a dual board plus 2 2000MPs -vs- 5 VIA EPIA boards. No Contest. Three dualy athlons will fit in a wide mid tower for stealth clustering. Probly stuff two into an indigo.. except it's not quite tall enough.. Might have to use some serious low profile power supplies.
The other route is to try their backplane version.. problem is, quad G4s are also available on a backplane...
Of course they do have some interesting design elements. Full duplex 10/100 ethernet that can be "split" for dual 10/100 half duplex.
Firewire networking at 480 Mb/s also has interesting possibilities.
Remember your switch has to fit inside too and a 12 port switch is going to be bigger than a 4 port switch.
The C3 is a socket 370 processor but in the case of the EPIA it's soldiered to the board. Perhaps they'll make a tulatin variety some day.
Why do people buy nice looking furniture? Functionally ugly cheap furniture would work just as well.
How pretty is an Aeron? Ugly. How comfortable? Very.
What about home electronics, why must it look nice?
Ever seen bubbly flowered stereo components? And you never will.
Why do people want a nice looking car?
Ego. Prestige. Is a Hummer pretty?
Must be lightning protection - check the weather there
Also get a load of the parts left over in a pile in the foreground of the picture... If you had that many parts left over after building a computer, not only would it not run, but you'd probably smoke something.
Why is it that there is no serious commercial market for quality case design?
Computers are tools. Do we really need glossy shiny plastic to boost our egos and raise prices even when the functionality of the computer is not improved?
The only company actually seriously doing any design work is Apple. Some of these cases are exceptional, and I know I'd pay decent money for them.
Why would you pay more for something that is functionally equivalent? Why do you ignoor your own creative abilities? You want a nice case? Do it yourself. You don't need Apple dictating your style to you on a mass produce assembly line.
And if you must have a company sell you something for you to feel like you have a superior case, buy a commercial water cooled or vapor phase change case. At least then you have something functionally usefull and realitively unique.
A Beowulf cluster of these...
Inside a toaster.
That was actually my submission to The Register when they held a contest for Eden applications. VIA was giving away a bunch of these Eden mini-ITX systems to the winners. That is where VIA's applications page came from.
Imagine a cluster sitting on top of every desktop in a classroom. Instead of just being able to use time on a cluster to explore it's architecture or a class building one cluster as a project, each student would have their own cluster.
Problem is, even the 800mhz C3 performs no petter than a 450 PII. Additionally, the processor has absolutely no parallelism. Only one path with no out of order instructions.
That lack of balls does give them an advantage: they draw only 60 watts for the entire system. That includes memory processor and all.