$145 x 2 Athlon 2000MP $90 x 2 512MB PC2100 DDR Unbuffered (yes it is supported) $195 Tyan Tiger MPX $120 120 GB Drive. $30 x 2 Gigabit NIC
$300 1U Chassis (holding two complete systems)
Spend a day finding prices, ordering and putting systems together. On a per unit basis, performance equivalent, you are saving $3000 each unit you purchased; sweat equity clusters.
I would not mind saving $3000 on a day of labor.
Imagine how unreliable they would be!
Well, if you only got 50% availability, you would still have three times the performance at any given price. But sadly, The Tyan Tiger is a stable board. It will give you at least 97% availability... So Apple is out of luck.
Apple Xserve has 1/6th the performance per dollar, 1/3rd the performance per 1U and 1/2 the performance per watt.
X Serve Makes an ungodly awfull server. It offers nothing in hardware to recomend it and OS X offers nothing for servers that It did not get from the free unix distros.
Apple is a tax on the stupid. I have given parts to juior high kids and they were able to build computers.
For $2,999.00 from Apple you can get an XServe with a single 1Ghz G4, 256mb of ram, 60 gig hard drive and Dual gigabit ethernet.
For $2,999.00 DIY you can buy THREE systems consisting of Dual Athlon 2000 @ 1.67Ghz, 120 gig drive,1 Gig ram and dual gigabit ethernet (2 will fit in 1u)
$3,999.00 from Apple you can get an XServe with Dual 1Ghz G4s, 512mb of ram, 60 gig hard drive and Dual gigabit ethernet.
Four Dual Athlons
$7,499.00from Apple you can get an XServe with a single 1Ghz G4, 2048mb of ram, 4 x 120 gig hard drives and Dual gigabit ethernet.
SEVEN DUAL ATHLONS.
In some cases the performance of a G4 equals The Athlon 2000. But in most cases the G4 performs indenticly to the Athlon clock for clock - with only 60% of the athlon's clock speed and only 60% of the Athlon's performance.
So we can give the Athlon a vague performance value of 32 per 1000 dollars while the Xserve gets a performance value of 3 per thousand dollars at the 3000 dollar range, 5 per thousand in the 4000 dollar range and back to 2.5 in the 7,500 dollar range.
14 Athlons at 1667 or 2 G4s at 1000mhz.
Give me a break. Don't EVER compare Apples Price/Performance to ANYTHING. God damn bleak comparison for the mac zealots. I don't know why you guys bother.
Use a backplane or use a blow torch. Cases are the easiest computer part to fab DIY. Backplanes will provide the highest CPU density if that is required.
Or stuff 8 Via EPIA boards into a single tower along with a good switch and a pair of 400 watt ATX Power supplies. Beowulf cluster in a toaster.
Sourceforge is blocked but IBM's Developer center is not.
We will never see the benefit of IBM's 1 billion dollar investment in Linux because the majority of that investment is in China which is blocked by Cisco for China.
Hate to sound like chicken little but it shure looks like IBM is hijacking GNU/Linux.
What difference does it make if source is posted if it never makes it out of the country?
And just because China is free with other people's intellectual property does not mean they are free with their own.
() bore me to death. () make me want to claw my eyes out. () bore me to death. () makes me wonder why 3% performance gain is worth 100% price. () bore me to death. () Makes me think of people in cubes typing 180 wpm. () bore me to death. () CowboyNeal
WebDAV plus those libraries might be exactly what he is looking for. They are stable together, and completely open. Why put him through the hassle of figuring out everything he needs to make his project successful? Everything he needs is listed.
Mod me down -1 helpfull when you would rather see +1 RTFM? Those days are over pal. Time to realize that you can use Linux but do not own it. The classic RTFM or more recently "Use Google" response is not the response of someone who wants Linux free and open. Hoarding knowlege and giving F-off answers is neither free, open or productive. Especially on a website centered around Linux advocacy.
The slowest card reads back at 8.376 MB/s OR 67.008 Mb/s OR about 2/3 the bandwidth available on a 10/100 network.
Network performance is the primary limitation to streaming frames.
The best cards would stream at 13.283 MB/s OR 106.264 Mb/s exeeding the speed of 10/100 and only able to push 8 streams on perfect Gigabit ethernet. Unfortunately, Gigabit ethernet is not nearly as fast as advertised, ranging from as low as 280 Mb/s for generics, to as high as 860 Mb/s for 3Com's best.
If USB Printer shareing works under DHCP this time around? The problem was that the computer that hosted the shared printer had to have a static IP, otherwise the clients would not be able to find it again.
This gave one of the beautifully useless, undocumented "Type 14354" errors.
And if the current X-box... Absolute minimum gives the engine a lot of room to move given the difference between Quake III at low detail 640x480 and high detail at 1600x1200.
In other words, having a low bottom end does not necessarily hold back having an insanely good top end.
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$145 x 2 Athlon 2000MP
$90 x 2 512MB PC2100 DDR Unbuffered (yes it is supported)
$195 Tyan Tiger MPX
$120 120 GB Drive.
$30 x 2 Gigabit NIC
$300 1U Chassis (holding two complete systems)
Spend a day finding prices, ordering and putting systems together. On a per unit basis, performance equivalent, you are saving $3000 each unit you purchased; sweat equity clusters.
I would not mind saving $3000 on a day of labor.
Imagine how unreliable they would be!
Well, if you only got 50% availability, you would still have three times the performance at any given price. But sadly, The Tyan Tiger is a stable board. It will give you at least 97% availability... So Apple is out of luck.
Apple Xserve has 1/6th the performance per dollar, 1/3rd the performance per 1U and 1/2 the performance per watt.
X Serve Makes an ungodly awfull server. It offers nothing in hardware to recomend it and OS X offers nothing for servers that It did not get from the free unix distros.
Apple is a tax on the stupid. I have given parts to juior high kids and they were able to build computers.
For $2,999.00 from Apple you can get an XServe with a single 1Ghz G4, 256mb of ram, 60 gig hard drive and Dual gigabit ethernet.
;)
For $2,999.00 DIY you can buy THREE systems consisting of Dual Athlon 2000 @ 1.67Ghz, 120 gig drive,1 Gig ram and dual gigabit ethernet (2 will fit in 1u)
$3,999.00 from Apple you can get an XServe with Dual 1Ghz G4s, 512mb of ram, 60 gig hard drive and Dual gigabit ethernet.
Four Dual Athlons
$7,499.00from Apple you can get an XServe with a single 1Ghz G4, 2048mb of ram, 4 x 120 gig hard drives and Dual gigabit ethernet.
SEVEN DUAL ATHLONS.
In some cases the performance of a G4 equals The Athlon 2000. But in most cases the G4 performs indenticly to the Athlon clock for clock - with only 60% of the athlon's clock speed and only 60% of the Athlon's performance.
So we can give the Athlon a vague performance value of 32 per 1000 dollars while the Xserve gets a performance value of 3 per thousand dollars at the 3000 dollar range, 5 per thousand in the 4000 dollar range and back to 2.5 in the 7,500 dollar range.
14 Athlons at 1667 or 2 G4s at 1000mhz.
Give me a break. Don't EVER compare Apples Price/Performance to ANYTHING. God damn bleak comparison for the mac zealots. I don't know why you guys bother.
But the OS is FREE
What is the cost of multiple Linux licences?
FreeBSD?
NetBSD?
What is the cost of OS X Server?
Now double the Number of machines that need the licences to achieve the same performance that x86 offers...
Xserve Competes With High-End Unix Servers...
Apple is like gambleing. It taxes the stupid.
Better performance can be achieved at a lower price on almost any other platform.
Unix + x86 + clustering = 4 times the price/performance of Apple.
Use a backplane or use a blow torch. Cases are the easiest computer part to fab DIY. Backplanes will provide the highest CPU density if that is required.
Or stuff 8 Via EPIA boards into a single tower along with a good switch and a pair of 400 watt ATX Power supplies. Beowulf cluster in a toaster.
pre-screen online before advancing to the "costly journals"
But so are all the articles about the shuttle mini pc, apple imac/g4/OSX/emac, Linux distro releases, Intel, Amd, etc..
Almost every other news item!
You want "News for Nerds" to be exclusively about the RIAA, MPAA, and case mods?
Hell no.
Autopr0n is blocked!
Sourceforge is blocked but IBM's Developer center is not.
We will never see the benefit of IBM's 1 billion dollar investment in Linux because the majority of that investment is in China which is blocked by Cisco for China.
Hate to sound like chicken little but it shure looks like IBM is hijacking GNU/Linux.
What difference does it make if source is posted if it never makes it out of the country?
And just because China is free with other people's intellectual property does not mean they are free with their own.
Ok, she's only 14.. She might eventually grow into that chin.
Yes, isn't that unfortunate?
True about the used systems...
The G4 533 w/512k cache smoked the G4 733 w/256k cache. Basicly, the 533/512 G4 was not surpassed in performance untill the 800 came out so..
Buy used and steal Jaguar. Apple gets no dimes untill they lower their prices on current under powered hardware.
Can you belive they have the gall to migrate to DDR on an asynchronous bus which actually quite a bit slower than SDRAM?
At least Apple's marketing department can use the DDR buzzword now.
seams? happenning? Brodcasting? I'ld? meh...
You are giving me lessons? Are you kidding?
The economy is in decline and the baby boom after shock (now 30 somethings) are moving out of their prime music buying years.
Obviously they are going to loose sales.
The largest persentage of their prime audience has stopped buying.
Clueless Bastards (tm)
WebDAV plus those libraries might be exactly what he is looking for. They are stable together, and completely open. Why put him through the hassle of figuring out everything he needs to make his project successful? Everything he needs is listed.
Mod me down -1 helpfull when you would rather see +1 RTFM? Those days are over pal. Time to realize that you can use Linux but do not own it. The classic RTFM or more recently "Use Google" response is not the response of someone who wants Linux free and open. Hoarding knowlege and giving F-off answers is neither free, open or productive. Especially on a website centered around Linux advocacy.
Apache/1.3.26
Debian GNU/Linux
PHP/4.2.1
mod_ssl/2.8.9
OpenSSL/0.9.6d
WebDAV/1.0.3 (Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning)
Works great, except absolutely anyone can edit any page... But it seems like that's what you are looking for.
Um.. No.
The slowest card reads back at 8.376 MB/s OR 67.008 Mb/s OR about 2/3 the bandwidth available on a 10/100 network.
Network performance is the primary limitation to streaming frames.
The best cards would stream at 13.283 MB/s OR 106.264 Mb/s exeeding the speed of 10/100 and only able to push 8 streams on perfect Gigabit ethernet. Unfortunately, Gigabit ethernet is not nearly as fast as advertised, ranging from as low as 280 Mb/s for generics, to as high as 860 Mb/s for 3Com's best.
So we use a quantum computer as a signal processor.
But be willing to accept errors in the data transmission.
Bit errors would be data from other universes.
devise a communications protocal.
Have conversations with the infinite number of your alternates that are also working on their quantum computers to acheive the same effects.
If USB Printer shareing works under DHCP this time around? The problem was that the computer that hosted the shared printer had to have a static IP, otherwise the clients would not be able to find it again.
This gave one of the beautifully useless, undocumented "Type 14354" errors.
A good old fashioned barn raising...
I mean server raising...
Or is that razeing...
Heck with it, let the slashdotting commence!
The current X-box or the next X-box???
And if the current X-box... Absolute minimum gives the engine a lot of room to move given the difference between Quake III at low detail 640x480 and high detail at 1600x1200.
In other words, having a low bottom end does not necessarily hold back having an insanely good top end.
"active USB extension"
16 foot for 30 bucks.
30 foot for 45 bucks.
60 foot for 60 bucks.
Relatively cheap, zero signal degradation.
Roll you own from CAT 5....
Expencive when you destroy your device and/or motherboard.
failure to comply will result in summary execution. Are you happy?
Smoking boots.
Paranoia, crica 1983
Get back on the hi-speed bitumen crack....
If you tell me an idea, have you lost anything?
you can tell a billion people without losing it yourself.
If you give me your sandwitch, you go hungry.
Your sandwitch will not feed a billion people.
The information itself is not governed by the laws of physics.
Information is independent of energy.
Could it be ANY simpler for you?
So computers are perpetual motion machines, 101% efficient?
Same energy in, same energy out, reguardless of how much energy or information is involved. the two are not related.
Entropy is not linked to Intelligence.