Hard to have any love for the postal service when they fill my mailbox with junk mail addressed to current resident. At least email has a spam filter. I tried to opt out but they get really upset and tell you there is no way to opt out. The mailman said the junk mail pays the bills at the USPS these days.
I think you make a good point. I'm no longer a gamer but my 16 year olds are. After upgrading to the latest XBox kinect last year and spending a little over $500 plus games plus bigger hard drives etc... I expect I will not be motivated to 'upgrade' again until this one burns out or just quits working. Now that said it is the third XBox we've had, the original, then the orignal 360, and now this 360 slim + kinect.... each upgrade happened when the previous finally quit working.
Anyhow, good point:)
As a parent of two highschool students I read this and can only think how great it would be if my kids could go work in a tech factory for two months. Its only two months. I would hope they would find that factory life is not for them and they would try harder to reach higher goals. I worked in a competitors factory to put myself through college, it was all the motivation I needed.
That said if these students are not getting paid at all then I agree there is a problem there. But the experience is worth something. If I was hiring an engineer to work in a tech factory and had two chinese grads applying, one with zero experience and one with two months in an Apple factory snapping together iPhones and all other qualifications were even; I would choose the applicant wtih the experience, at least he/she knows what they are getting into, or some clue anyway.
Freaking hilarious! Who the hell could be entertained playing a digital puffing game on an tiny little screen???? LOL forget the screen size, how can an app like this hold anyones attention at all? Moving on.
The juror from ADP made a good statement saying that at the very least he could have created another admin account and handed it over instead.
Really though, if he felt that way he would be ethically right to tell them he felt that way but if the boss continues with the request then hand it over. If they go in and ruin the system then he just got a lot of work to do and some extended job security while he builds it again.
You bring up a good point. There has already been one person detained I've heard of and he was a natural born citizen. Tried to find a news article but didnt find it. Im curious to see what process evolves from this to try to make it work.
I have one relative thats native american and have heard the storys of the problems she dealt with. I know that many wrongs dont make a right but some progress has been made. We just gotta keep talking about it and doing things about it until we do come up with a plan that works.
A few of you have pointed out that I was wrong to include this line, "- Many of us already citizens have fought for and killed for this country, possibly close to you right now; it is NOT a good idea to tell us to get fucked."
Your right, I was wrong. My appologies to everyone offended.
I've enjoyed the interaction here on slashdot and hope to continue. I'll make every effort to keep it dignified regardless of the position I take in any discussion.
Point taken, I agree that was a bad line to put in my post, not well thought out at all. As for lying, lol, wish I was but I'm not. Triage happened just from outside and through a side door.
Your absolutely right about the solution only problem is you have to identify the illegal immigrant before you can fine the employer. Now law enforcement can actually request to see the paperwork that would make them legal. Otherwise your solution is hard to effect. So your energized speech about an 'easy' solution is just hot air without someway to empower the authorities to identify legal vs illegal. Congratulations, this law made your solution possible.
Good questions, I was trying to reduce the size of my post from book to paragraphs, Im sure you understand:)
I dont know everyones illness obviously, again a very overworked and quite obviously frustrated nurse (again going by appearance but it was memorable) told me to take him outside because we would catch whatever flu's were suspected of filling the room.
I am white and my sons mother is hispanic. He looks hispanic and didnt get treated differently based on skin color but rather his injury. Also those of us sent out to the parking lot were a mix of white and hispanic so that didnt seem to make a difference, the triage was presumably based on injury vs sickness.
I've been to the pharmacys in Mexico and it is much cheaper and easy to get what you need. I also ride road bikes regularly and on a long ride I can see where strep would be a real beast to deal with, especially when your metabolism is racing.
During the 10 years with my sons mother we both put up with racism from each others race. Im not a small guy so my size probably shielded me from some of the more aggressive insults but I still had the 'notifications' that I did not belong.
Interresting you and your wife had to go through the paper trail you went through. I definitely dont deny the system is not perfect.
Your right, it does come across as an ass, should have found a better way to communicate, my appologies. That said, I have served, several enlistments.
First, thank you for that reply. I've lived overseas for years while in the military and followed the rules where ever that was. I agree sometimes its not enjoyable but those are the rules.
I actually think that if put together correctly a public health system funded only by 1 to 1.5% tax would be awesome! In the military healthcare is free but as you likely know, its not always the best. You have to pick what your willing to let the doctors treat sometimes. Digressing but I liked your point and wanted to respond.
Some of these posts get animated and make it difficult to respond without more animation. Just to be clear, my intention was not to say "Go home Asshole" it was to say being an American is tough and if your willing to be here legally then I want you to stand with me and I'll stand with you. You used the word community and that's what it is.
I volunteer a lot of time to the community and you really sound like the type of person who does the same. I'm glad your willing and wanting to be here enough to go through the mess of it.
No magical powers, it was quite innovative though, I asked what was going on and the nurse at the front desk told me. She didnt call them illegal she called them undocumented so maybe they were all waiting on the backlog to catch up that a lot of folks are discussing.
Any abuse to this law will help defeat it later so I really do hope there is no abuse. Where ever you live you can do something about it if you dont like it. Remember the core of this is a federal law. This law just says that one state is going to enforce the federal law. Color of skin was never mentioned and shouldnt be because its not relevant. So whine and moan all you want about righteousness, telling someone online to go fuck themselves is not going to solve your problem. The only joke is that you think it will.
SmallFurryCreature, my genetics are a bit mixed so there is no yes or no answer... grandma is native american if that counts.
To clarify, the immigrant is complaining about illegal immigrants. Also, the legal system is a mess and that's on a federal and state level so its not just my legal system but yours too brother. Last, the healthcare isn't being denied to anyone and is being abused because of that, because there are loopholes (yes, all over the country) emergency medicine is being used as routine medicine.
I may come off as an ass but sometimes you have to when making a point in a sensitive area. Its just one big ugly problem with no one sure way to fix it.
Totally agree with you.
Yes there are laws that punish the employers and at least from what I've seen locally they've been enforced strictly for about 2 years. Im not an expert in the penalties but small businesses just dont survive when caught. Large corporations have deeper pockets so I would imagine can survive the penalty more than once. Personally, I believe in my position and have never hired anyone that could not verify residence. Of course identity theft does happen but the effort is always there to hire appropriately.
Not sure about the radioactive waste comment; send a link if you have one and I'll read up on it. Thanks
We can't all be strapped to a linux box with combat experience fed to us through video game consoles and that's why you'll never understand what my point was.
It was not a threat by far. If you were an immigrant wanting to be here would you choose to insult those who defended that opportunity? Maybe you would maybe you wouldn't.
This is really drifting from the thread. Play nice little guy! It's just an opinion, it won't hurt you.
I live in Arizona. I see your perspective and experience; so here is mine.
I've lost one vehicle to theft; found weeks later with an illegal alien (from Mexico) behind the wheel. All removable components removed. It was paid off prior and insurance did not cover full price to get a new one though they did pay a lot. But they probably raised everyone who pays insurance a little to cover it so no worries to the illegal immigrants.
I've been hit twice in hit and runs; luckily I was able to follow them and get police to their location. First time, the police gave them a ticket, told me they were not legal (from Mexico) and to just deal with my insurance. When I asked why they weren't being detained to deport it was due to the city of Phoenix police not being allowed to enforce immigration (this was around '02). Second time, they were detained by the sheriff dept which is all I know, and again it was my insurance that had to pay the tab (see the trend here) each time with me paying deductibles and 100% of aftermarket equip.
My son was in an accident and his foot was sliced open to the bone. I carried him in to the ER that evening and it was packed wall to wall, no room to stand. We checked in at the desk and then we were asked to step outside and wait because it was safer outside. You see the ER was packed with illegal immigrants who did not have insurance and were using it as a clinic to treat the flu, common colds, strep throat... stuff you take to a regular Dr. So the facilities tax payers have contributed to so its there in the event of an emergency is over-run. A nurse came outside after a half hour and walked us around to a side door where they finally treated my sons foot.
For states that are not on the border, immigration may not seem like it's a bad problem but for states that are on the border its a huge problem. It's expensive and though activists will tell you otherwise it's a big impact on crime.
A few points you should understand since you want to be a citizen of the US.
- Illegal immigrants do not have a right to be here. That's why they call it 'illegal'.
- It's not the burden of the US for an immigrant to gain citizenship; it's the immigrants burden!
- This country is losing money fast and illegal immigration costs more each year than the war effort overseas.
- Many of us already citizens have fought for and killed for this country, possibly close to you right now; it is NOT a good idea to tell us to get fucked.
I congratulate you for taking the high road and doing whatever it takes to get your citizenship. You seem to be jumping through the hoops and paying for it. It's not easy to be an American is it? It's damned expensive and it doesn't stop when you get the paper either. Maybe you can move to Arizona and help us pay for the illegal immigrants that flood across the border. That would be great! We need all the help we can get.
Could you imagine living in a state where you have to pass a state law just to make state law enforcement enforce federal laws already in place? Is that not the strangest concept? Honestly I never thought it would pass, the opposition for it is very large. Unfortunately, the lower ranks of law enforcement will probably find a way to abuse it. I hope not though, I sincerely hope that its put to good use and impacts legal citizens and legal immigrants as little as possible.
Everyone has a right to face their accusers, american or not, politician or not.
If someone chooses the internet as the ground to make accusations or critical comments then they should be ready to take whatever fair response comes from their target on the same grounds (internet).
As a politician Doogan has to choose words carefully, he should participate to the point he defends his position and outlines why it's the right position, he should also consider that getting too caught up in an argument only makes him seem childish and not fit for his role.
On another note, the alaskans I've met sure dont seem to the types to care if we know who they are or not, if they have something to say they are gonna say it and if we dont like it well thats our problem. LOL!
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Hard to have any love for the postal service when they fill my mailbox with junk mail addressed to current resident. At least email has a spam filter. I tried to opt out but they get really upset and tell you there is no way to opt out. The mailman said the junk mail pays the bills at the USPS these days.
I think you make a good point. I'm no longer a gamer but my 16 year olds are. After upgrading to the latest XBox kinect last year and spending a little over $500 plus games plus bigger hard drives etc... I expect I will not be motivated to 'upgrade' again until this one burns out or just quits working. Now that said it is the third XBox we've had, the original, then the orignal 360, and now this 360 slim + kinect.... each upgrade happened when the previous finally quit working. Anyhow, good point :)
As a parent of two highschool students I read this and can only think how great it would be if my kids could go work in a tech factory for two months. Its only two months. I would hope they would find that factory life is not for them and they would try harder to reach higher goals. I worked in a competitors factory to put myself through college, it was all the motivation I needed.
That said if these students are not getting paid at all then I agree there is a problem there. But the experience is worth something. If I was hiring an engineer to work in a tech factory and had two chinese grads applying, one with zero experience and one with two months in an Apple factory snapping together iPhones and all other qualifications were even; I would choose the applicant wtih the experience, at least he/she knows what they are getting into, or some clue anyway.
Only thing I know for sure related to this story is I wont be applying for Terry's old job. Seems like a bad case of the Bob's over there.
Maybe I had bad info. What I read was he was being re-assigned, not fired, when originally asked for the account info.
Dont get me wrong, I think the potential of 5 years in prison is extreme for this type of situation.
Freaking hilarious! Who the hell could be entertained playing a digital puffing game on an tiny little screen???? LOL forget the screen size, how can an app like this hold anyones attention at all? Moving on.
Well said.
The juror from ADP made a good statement saying that at the very least he could have created another admin account and handed it over instead.
Really though, if he felt that way he would be ethically right to tell them he felt that way but if the boss continues with the request then hand it over. If they go in and ruin the system then he just got a lot of work to do and some extended job security while he builds it again.
You bring up a good point. There has already been one person detained I've heard of and he was a natural born citizen. Tried to find a news article but didnt find it. Im curious to see what process evolves from this to try to make it work.
I have one relative thats native american and have heard the storys of the problems she dealt with. I know that many wrongs dont make a right but some progress has been made. We just gotta keep talking about it and doing things about it until we do come up with a plan that works.
Good luck to you and your wife going forward.
Replying to my own post here.
A few of you have pointed out that I was wrong to include this line, "- Many of us already citizens have fought for and killed for this country, possibly close to you right now; it is NOT a good idea to tell us to get fucked."
Your right, I was wrong. My appologies to everyone offended.
I've enjoyed the interaction here on slashdot and hope to continue. I'll make every effort to keep it dignified regardless of the position I take in any discussion.
Point taken, I agree that was a bad line to put in my post, not well thought out at all. As for lying, lol, wish I was but I'm not. Triage happened just from outside and through a side door.
Your absolutely right about the solution only problem is you have to identify the illegal immigrant before you can fine the employer. Now law enforcement can actually request to see the paperwork that would make them legal. Otherwise your solution is hard to effect. So your energized speech about an 'easy' solution is just hot air without someway to empower the authorities to identify legal vs illegal. Congratulations, this law made your solution possible.
Interresting, what type of work do you do?
Good luck with that.
Good questions, I was trying to reduce the size of my post from book to paragraphs, Im sure you understand :)
I dont know everyones illness obviously, again a very overworked and quite obviously frustrated nurse (again going by appearance but it was memorable) told me to take him outside because we would catch whatever flu's were suspected of filling the room.
I am white and my sons mother is hispanic. He looks hispanic and didnt get treated differently based on skin color but rather his injury. Also those of us sent out to the parking lot were a mix of white and hispanic so that didnt seem to make a difference, the triage was presumably based on injury vs sickness.
I've been to the pharmacys in Mexico and it is much cheaper and easy to get what you need. I also ride road bikes regularly and on a long ride I can see where strep would be a real beast to deal with, especially when your metabolism is racing.
During the 10 years with my sons mother we both put up with racism from each others race. Im not a small guy so my size probably shielded me from some of the more aggressive insults but I still had the 'notifications' that I did not belong.
Interresting you and your wife had to go through the paper trail you went through. I definitely dont deny the system is not perfect.
Your right, it does come across as an ass, should have found a better way to communicate, my appologies. That said, I have served, several enlistments.
First, thank you for that reply. I've lived overseas for years while in the military and followed the rules where ever that was. I agree sometimes its not enjoyable but those are the rules.
I actually think that if put together correctly a public health system funded only by 1 to 1.5% tax would be awesome! In the military healthcare is free but as you likely know, its not always the best. You have to pick what your willing to let the doctors treat sometimes. Digressing but I liked your point and wanted to respond.
Some of these posts get animated and make it difficult to respond without more animation. Just to be clear, my intention was not to say "Go home Asshole" it was to say being an American is tough and if your willing to be here legally then I want you to stand with me and I'll stand with you. You used the word community and that's what it is.
I volunteer a lot of time to the community and you really sound like the type of person who does the same. I'm glad your willing and wanting to be here enough to go through the mess of it.
No magical powers, it was quite innovative though, I asked what was going on and the nurse at the front desk told me. She didnt call them illegal she called them undocumented so maybe they were all waiting on the backlog to catch up that a lot of folks are discussing.
Any abuse to this law will help defeat it later so I really do hope there is no abuse. Where ever you live you can do something about it if you dont like it. Remember the core of this is a federal law. This law just says that one state is going to enforce the federal law. Color of skin was never mentioned and shouldnt be because its not relevant.
So whine and moan all you want about righteousness, telling someone online to go fuck themselves is not going to solve your problem. The only joke is that you think it will.
SmallFurryCreature, my genetics are a bit mixed so there is no yes or no answer... grandma is native american if that counts.
To clarify, the immigrant is complaining about illegal immigrants. Also, the legal system is a mess and that's on a federal and state level so its not just my legal system but yours too brother. Last, the healthcare isn't being denied to anyone and is being abused because of that, because there are loopholes (yes, all over the country) emergency medicine is being used as routine medicine.
I may come off as an ass but sometimes you have to when making a point in a sensitive area. Its just one big ugly problem with no one sure way to fix it.
Totally agree with you. Yes there are laws that punish the employers and at least from what I've seen locally they've been enforced strictly for about 2 years. Im not an expert in the penalties but small businesses just dont survive when caught. Large corporations have deeper pockets so I would imagine can survive the penalty more than once. Personally, I believe in my position and have never hired anyone that could not verify residence. Of course identity theft does happen but the effort is always there to hire appropriately.
Not sure about the radioactive waste comment; send a link if you have one and I'll read up on it. Thanks
We can't all be strapped to a linux box with combat experience fed to us through video game consoles and that's why you'll never understand what my point was.
It was not a threat by far. If you were an immigrant wanting to be here would you choose to insult those who defended that opportunity? Maybe you would maybe you wouldn't.
This is really drifting from the thread. Play nice little guy! It's just an opinion, it won't hurt you.
I live in Arizona. I see your perspective and experience; so here is mine.
I've lost one vehicle to theft; found weeks later with an illegal alien (from Mexico) behind the wheel. All removable components removed. It was paid off prior and insurance did not cover full price to get a new one though they did pay a lot. But they probably raised everyone who pays insurance a little to cover it so no worries to the illegal immigrants.
I've been hit twice in hit and runs; luckily I was able to follow them and get police to their location. First time, the police gave them a ticket, told me they were not legal (from Mexico) and to just deal with my insurance. When I asked why they weren't being detained to deport it was due to the city of Phoenix police not being allowed to enforce immigration (this was around '02). Second time, they were detained by the sheriff dept which is all I know, and again it was my insurance that had to pay the tab (see the trend here) each time with me paying deductibles and 100% of aftermarket equip.
My son was in an accident and his foot was sliced open to the bone. I carried him in to the ER that evening and it was packed wall to wall, no room to stand. We checked in at the desk and then we were asked to step outside and wait because it was safer outside. You see the ER was packed with illegal immigrants who did not have insurance and were using it as a clinic to treat the flu, common colds, strep throat... stuff you take to a regular Dr. So the facilities tax payers have contributed to so its there in the event of an emergency is over-run. A nurse came outside after a half hour and walked us around to a side door where they finally treated my sons foot.
For states that are not on the border, immigration may not seem like it's a bad problem but for states that are on the border its a huge problem. It's expensive and though activists will tell you otherwise it's a big impact on crime.
A few points you should understand since you want to be a citizen of the US.
- Illegal immigrants do not have a right to be here. That's why they call it 'illegal'.
- It's not the burden of the US for an immigrant to gain citizenship; it's the immigrants burden!
- This country is losing money fast and illegal immigration costs more each year than the war effort overseas.
- Many of us already citizens have fought for and killed for this country, possibly close to you right now; it is NOT a good idea to tell us to get fucked.
I congratulate you for taking the high road and doing whatever it takes to get your citizenship. You seem to be jumping through the hoops and paying for it. It's not easy to be an American is it? It's damned expensive and it doesn't stop when you get the paper either. Maybe you can move to Arizona and help us pay for the illegal immigrants that flood across the border. That would be great! We need all the help we can get.
Could you imagine living in a state where you have to pass a state law just to make state law enforcement enforce federal laws already in place? Is that not the strangest concept? Honestly I never thought it would pass, the opposition for it is very large. Unfortunately, the lower ranks of law enforcement will probably find a way to abuse it. I hope not though, I sincerely hope that its put to good use and impacts legal citizens and legal immigrants as little as possible.
Everyone has a right to face their accusers, american or not, politician or not. If someone chooses the internet as the ground to make accusations or critical comments then they should be ready to take whatever fair response comes from their target on the same grounds (internet). As a politician Doogan has to choose words carefully, he should participate to the point he defends his position and outlines why it's the right position, he should also consider that getting too caught up in an argument only makes him seem childish and not fit for his role. On another note, the alaskans I've met sure dont seem to the types to care if we know who they are or not, if they have something to say they are gonna say it and if we dont like it well thats our problem. LOL!