Great theory until you understand that a printer can print almost everything to build a printer....And unless you are planning to regulate every piece of electronics and every type of coding software, this ship has already sailed way over the horizon.
Next: mandatory insertion of identifiers that can be traced to the owner of a 3D printer
See above; too many geeks with too many skills. How long does an unbreakable phone last before it's jailbroken?
Next: 3D printer plastics will become a controlled substance
Any attempt on this front would bankrupt not only most manufacturing, it would bankrupt the state in attempting to enforce it. (Not that the idiots in congress seem to have any real concern for putting us into bankruptcy...)
Are you even cognizant of the fact that you are effectively calling for burning books? You want to prosecute every publisher of Chemistry, Biology and Physics books too? Hell, you must criminalize or regulate every University in the nation. These train people every day on much nastier things than handguns.
Or better yet, you should ban anything that promotes thought of building anything destructive. This would of course outlaw any military or history books and journals, or even blogs. Better still, you should ban anything that you feel puts any person in conflict with any other. If we all just thought exactly the same way, we'd never have any reason to wish harm to anyone else, no matter what form that violence may take?
So then you must scratch any gun-related suicides from your list of gun control arguments. That is most certainly a person knowingly putting themselves in a dangerous situation, is it not?
if you think this technology has reached its zenith you're out of your mind. The Genie is out of the bottle. and materials science will just be ongoing massive Genie Steriods injections.
Besides, the beauty of 3d printing is that you can print most of another printer...
Not even printing and assemblng the weapon breaks gun control law. You need no license or certification to produce a firearm, unless that weapon is a class3 (fully auto, cannons, sawed off shotguns, mortars, etc.), or you intend to sell it.
Aside from the fact that you assume anyone that is a proponent of the 2nd Amendment is too incompetent to evaluate and safely utilize this technology, you also demonstrate that this whole argument really has nothing to do with saving lives. You're perfectly willing to sacrafice innocent lives so long as their loss serves your political agenda.
Bullshit argument. If I store my bag in a locker at the gym it does not give right to the govt to search that simply because the locker is technically owned by the gym. I have procured the authority to use that locker as my personal space. The same could be said of a storage unit.
Now there may be a grey area in the case of the owner of the storage location (whether that is a locker, a storage unit or Gmail) allowing govt access without a warrant. But that's where contracts and contract law come into play. If my contract states that I have exclusive rights to that storage location then the owner cant grant anyone access, including themselves, without a legitimate reason to do so. And a cop saying "open up" isnt a legitimate reason.
1) Tell the farmers along the southern border that have property continuously vandalized or stolen how little danger there is in rural areas.
2) You lock your weapons up when you leave your home, or you're an idiot.
3) If you dont have a high probability of seeing a predator coming then you arent paying attention. And as you point out, they probably dont want to eat you. But they do eat chickens, cats, and goats, and wound or kill dogs that try to prevent it. The coyotes got continually more aggressive, killing bigger and bigger animals of mine until I started carrying a loaded weapon and killed a few of them. They keep a damn good distance now, only venturing closer once every 3 years or so. 1 or 2 rounds fired in their direction from 150 yards is plenty enough to keep them clear now. Point being, a loaded easily accessible firearm has prevented the loss of livestock and pets for a few years, where before we lost several.
4) So people are killing people they know which means that its personal and often premeditated. And you think taking away a tool of murder is going to prevent that harm coming to aquiantances? Why are you not screaming bloody murder about the lack of concern for fellow man? Why arent you putting a fraction of the effort you put into anti-gun activism into the culture glorifying violence and hate? Why arent you condemning the gang image, and the bullying, and the road rage, and the depression, and the anger, and even the simple lack of manners of people showing no respect to others? There's a pretty easily definable root of the crimes, and it's not a piece of machinery. Its people like you who explain away the actions of disgusting people as a product or something other than the choices of those people. Hold people, their famailies, their communities, their social groups accountable for the violence. Quit desperately finding ways to blame ANYONE else for why it happened.
I shouldnt have said anti-mine. That makes it sound like they are used to get rid of mines. They are instead Mine-Resistant Armored Protection vehicles. (MRAP. The same units deployed by the US military in the middle east.) But Dept of Homeland Security only ordered 2700 of them. Only 50 or so per state. Just think that thru for a second. Why would you need 50 in any state? How many does DHS think it actually needs to have at any one place at any one time, where they couldnt instead have 1 with more in transit for a couple of hours?
This info came to light at about the same time as the "1.6 billion rounds of hollow-point ammunition, along with 7,000 fully-automatic 5.56x45mm NATO “personal defense weapons” plus a huge stash of 30-round high-capacity magazines." that are mentioned in the same Forbes article.
And you will be obviously wrong again. How can a few handguns make the military take notice when a well armed (AK47/grenade launcher/mortar) militia (a dozen examples in the middle east) can't stop them?
And you would obviously be wrong. We are drawing down our troops in Afghanistan and Pakistan largely because its apparent that it is impossible to defeat the insurgents there without glassing the entire region. The insurgents have succeedeed in making the engagement far too costly in terms of finances and political capital to proceed. Our military has conceeded that it cannot control the region without more indiscriminant tactics that would never be accepted on the world political stage, and that the region can be at best issolated but not conquered.
We have the most powerful and most advanced military in the world (for the moment), and we cant defeat people staging their resistance from caves.
A "militaristic" president is more likely patriotic, who has a sense of defending freedom. While in foreign policy this can lead to some xenophobic nuttery, a far greater danger domestically is an intellectual who thinks that he (or she) knows better how every person should live. And if he just forces it on them they will eventually see how much better things are.
No one is accusing Obama of being militaristic. And yet his appointees are buying ammunition and anti-personell and anti-mine armamants for use by domestic law enforcement at record rates.
I have 3 packs of coyotes with dens within a mile of my house. I've also seen mountain lion track and scat on my land. My son weighs less than 50 lbs, easily within the realm of a meal for these animals that have come within 50 feet of my barn and 50 yards of my home. I have dogs, cats, chickens, goats and horses. While the horses are not really threatened by these particular predators the others certainly are.
In the time it would take me to go inside, unlock a firearm, unlock the amo (because anti-gun people are proponents of laws requiring them be in two different locked containers...), load the weapon, and return to the hazard, these predators would have killed and left with their kill. What if that kill is my son? And god forbid that someone would attempt to break into my home while my family were there. There's no neighbor to run to. There's no neighborhood watch that is going to spot something suspicious and call 911. I'm one of millions of farmers and ranchers that live in rural areas where there might be 1 sherrif assigned a 100 square mile region. Or worse. You going to make sure that every gun law is ammended to provide exceptions for every farmer or rancher? Yeah, I didnt think so. Thankfully you dont really hear too much about people breaking into remote farm houses in the middle of the night. You know why? Because most farmhouses are full of people that know where the loaded weapons are, and how to use them. And the criminals know it...
You might live in a nice fairytale community. There are millions more who live in areas where there are multiple child predators and other sex offenders within blocks of their home. (http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0, When was the last time you took the time to check your neighborhood?) How about the neighborhoods that are run by gangs, or dominiated by drugs and crime? You want to ask a child predator who's trying to grab your kid out of the front yard to hang on for a minute while you unlock, load and come back with your handgun? How about the guy that busts through your bedroom window at 2am trying to find drug money? You think these people are going to show you the courtesy of waiting while you arm yourself?
These arent fantasy scenarios. These are things that happen daily . But you dont see the stories about people that successfuly defend themselves with firearms because the narrative in mainstream media is that guns are bad. You only hear the stories about the CRIMINLS who harm the UNARMED innocent people that CANT DEFEND THEMSELVES.
The manufacture of guns by conventional means requires large factories and an organised distribution chain that make it fairly easy for any government to regulate,...
That's not at all accurate. You only need some basic metal working machinery (lathes, presses, etc.) which I can purchase with cash for a few thousand dollars at any of 5 suppliers in a 50 mile range. They are not registered or tracked any more so than you buying a hand saw at Home Depot. These pieces of equipment are easily in tight enough tolerance to build highly accurate and reliable firearms.
The limiting factor has nothing to do with anonymously aquiring the needed tools or materials. The limiting factor is the knowledge and skill to produce effective results.
"Go ahead, get excited about them 'horseless carriages'. Them stupid contraptions aint never gonna replace horses."
3D printing is the future of manufacturing. The limiting factor right now is materials. You assume that all 3d printing will forever be done with plastic, and you are wrong. Already there are 3D printing techniques that instead bond metal powders, or use epoxy resins, or both.
Given the mass potential of these manufacturing techniques you can bet that there will be a groundswell in materials research to advance it.(In reality this has already begun.) A cost-effective material that is as strong or stronger than steel being usable as a 3D printing medium isnt just a possibility, it's an inevitability.
With all else being equal, if there are specific laws that ensure that someone who IS NOT a white male is given preference, then the white male is not the one proven to have demonstrated racism.
I am a middle-aged white male, and I am discriminated against because of my skintone, and sex. It is an undeniable fact that I am less likely to obtain a job in several categories when competing with those of color or women precisely because I'm white and have a penis. Hiring practices are designed to give preference to women or people of color. Business loans and home loans are designed much the same way. All else being equal, from education, to training, to personal hygiene, to ability to communicate, to congeniality, I will lose more often than not.
If it is wrong for a person to be denied a job or a loan because they have dark skin or lack a penis, it is equally wrong for them to obtain a job or loan for exactly those same reasons. Legitimizing discrimination against me as revenge for some wrong I never had a part of is an injustice in the eyes of any rational person. Punish those who are guilty, not those that fit the same physical description as those who are guilty.
I refuse to feel guilty about being born to the wrong parents and with a penis. This guy just pointed out the volume of people that would prefer I (and he) would. Its unfortunate how many of them (and you) are unable to recongnize that simple truth about themselves.
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Next: rigorous import controls on 3D printers
Great theory until you understand that a printer can print almost everything to build a printer....And unless you are planning to regulate every piece of electronics and every type of coding software, this ship has already sailed way over the horizon.
Next: mandatory insertion of identifiers that can be traced to the owner of a 3D printer
See above; too many geeks with too many skills. How long does an unbreakable phone last before it's jailbroken?
Next: 3D printer plastics will become a controlled substance
Any attempt on this front would bankrupt not only most manufacturing, it would bankrupt the state in attempting to enforce it. (Not that the idiots in congress seem to have any real concern for putting us into bankruptcy...)
Are you even cognizant of the fact that you are effectively calling for burning books? You want to prosecute every publisher of Chemistry, Biology and Physics books too? Hell, you must criminalize or regulate every University in the nation. These train people every day on much nastier things than handguns.
Or better yet, you should ban anything that promotes thought of building anything destructive. This would of course outlaw any military or history books and journals, or even blogs. Better still, you should ban anything that you feel puts any person in conflict with any other. If we all just thought exactly the same way, we'd never have any reason to wish harm to anyone else, no matter what form that violence may take?
So then you must scratch any gun-related suicides from your list of gun control arguments. That is most certainly a person knowingly putting themselves in a dangerous situation, is it not?
It certainly ensures which direction that explosion is traveling.
All else being equal, nature doesnt favor the disarmed. And a criminal isnt playing on equal footing by following your rules.
if you think this technology has reached its zenith you're out of your mind. The Genie is out of the bottle. and materials science will just be ongoing massive Genie Steriods injections.
Besides, the beauty of 3d printing is that you can print most of another printer...
How many laws have you demanded to evaluate the mental health of the kids in the school?
Zero? Yeah, thought so.
What skill? You can use a drill and screw together pipe fittings?
Not even printing and assemblng the weapon breaks gun control law. You need no license or certification to produce a firearm, unless that weapon is a class3 (fully auto, cannons, sawed off shotguns, mortars, etc.), or you intend to sell it.
Aside from the fact that you assume anyone that is a proponent of the 2nd Amendment is too incompetent to evaluate and safely utilize this technology, you also demonstrate that this whole argument really has nothing to do with saving lives. You're perfectly willing to sacrafice innocent lives so long as their loss serves your political agenda.
By that line of reasoning its natural selection when you disarm yourself.
Bullshit argument. If I store my bag in a locker at the gym it does not give right to the govt to search that simply because the locker is technically owned by the gym. I have procured the authority to use that locker as my personal space. The same could be said of a storage unit. Now there may be a grey area in the case of the owner of the storage location (whether that is a locker, a storage unit or Gmail) allowing govt access without a warrant. But that's where contracts and contract law come into play. If my contract states that I have exclusive rights to that storage location then the owner cant grant anyone access, including themselves, without a legitimate reason to do so. And a cop saying "open up" isnt a legitimate reason.
"My son took a dump on your porch." has two very different backstories and potential results when my son is 2, or 22.
In this case my 22 year-old son took a dump on your porch for being a pedantic ass.
1) Tell the farmers along the southern border that have property continuously vandalized or stolen how little danger there is in rural areas.
2) You lock your weapons up when you leave your home, or you're an idiot.
3) If you dont have a high probability of seeing a predator coming then you arent paying attention. And as you point out, they probably dont want to eat you. But they do eat chickens, cats, and goats, and wound or kill dogs that try to prevent it. The coyotes got continually more aggressive, killing bigger and bigger animals of mine until I started carrying a loaded weapon and killed a few of them. They keep a damn good distance now, only venturing closer once every 3 years or so. 1 or 2 rounds fired in their direction from 150 yards is plenty enough to keep them clear now. Point being, a loaded easily accessible firearm has prevented the loss of livestock and pets for a few years, where before we lost several.
4) So people are killing people they know which means that its personal and often premeditated. And you think taking away a tool of murder is going to prevent that harm coming to aquiantances? Why are you not screaming bloody murder about the lack of concern for fellow man? Why arent you putting a fraction of the effort you put into anti-gun activism into the culture glorifying violence and hate? Why arent you condemning the gang image, and the bullying, and the road rage, and the depression, and the anger, and even the simple lack of manners of people showing no respect to others? There's a pretty easily definable root of the crimes, and it's not a piece of machinery. Its people like you who explain away the actions of disgusting people as a product or something other than the choices of those people. Hold people, their famailies, their communities, their social groups accountable for the violence. Quit desperately finding ways to blame ANYONE else for why it happened.
Yeah, I really should have used quotes around "intellectual".
Making things up?
I shouldnt have said anti-mine. That makes it sound like they are used to get rid of mines. They are instead Mine-Resistant Armored Protection vehicles. (MRAP. The same units deployed by the US military in the middle east.) But Dept of Homeland Security only ordered 2700 of them. Only 50 or so per state. Just think that thru for a second. Why would you need 50 in any state? How many does DHS think it actually needs to have at any one place at any one time, where they couldnt instead have 1 with more in transit for a couple of hours?
Although you can probably point out that I'm getting the information from cookey right wing conspiracy sites... like FORBES. http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/03/10/why-the-heck-is-dhs-buying-more-than-a-billion-bullets-plus-thousands-of-guns-and-mine-resistant-armored-vehicles/
This info came to light at about the same time as the "1.6 billion rounds of hollow-point ammunition, along with 7,000 fully-automatic 5.56x45mm NATO “personal defense weapons” plus a huge stash of 30-round high-capacity magazines." that are mentioned in the same Forbes article.
And you will be obviously wrong again. How can a few handguns make the military take notice when a well armed (AK47/grenade launcher/mortar) militia (a dozen examples in the middle east) can't stop them?
And you would obviously be wrong. We are drawing down our troops in Afghanistan and Pakistan largely because its apparent that it is impossible to defeat the insurgents there without glassing the entire region. The insurgents have succeedeed in making the engagement far too costly in terms of finances and political capital to proceed. Our military has conceeded that it cannot control the region without more indiscriminant tactics that would never be accepted on the world political stage, and that the region can be at best issolated but not conquered.
We have the most powerful and most advanced military in the world (for the moment), and we cant defeat people staging their resistance from caves.
Vietnam wasnt that different.
Why we're funding people to have kids that they don't bother to raise is an important issue.
Because if the state finances it and raises the kids in lieu of parenting, then the state can tell them exactly how to vote.
A "militaristic" president is more likely patriotic, who has a sense of defending freedom. While in foreign policy this can lead to some xenophobic nuttery, a far greater danger domestically is an intellectual who thinks that he (or she) knows better how every person should live. And if he just forces it on them they will eventually see how much better things are.
No one is accusing Obama of being militaristic. And yet his appointees are buying ammunition and anti-personell and anti-mine armamants for use by domestic law enforcement at record rates.
I have 3 packs of coyotes with dens within a mile of my house. I've also seen mountain lion track and scat on my land. My son weighs less than 50 lbs, easily within the realm of a meal for these animals that have come within 50 feet of my barn and 50 yards of my home. I have dogs, cats, chickens, goats and horses. While the horses are not really threatened by these particular predators the others certainly are. In the time it would take me to go inside, unlock a firearm, unlock the amo (because anti-gun people are proponents of laws requiring them be in two different locked containers...), load the weapon, and return to the hazard, these predators would have killed and left with their kill. What if that kill is my son? And god forbid that someone would attempt to break into my home while my family were there. There's no neighbor to run to. There's no neighborhood watch that is going to spot something suspicious and call 911. I'm one of millions of farmers and ranchers that live in rural areas where there might be 1 sherrif assigned a 100 square mile region. Or worse. You going to make sure that every gun law is ammended to provide exceptions for every farmer or rancher? Yeah, I didnt think so. Thankfully you dont really hear too much about people breaking into remote farm houses in the middle of the night. You know why? Because most farmhouses are full of people that know where the loaded weapons are, and how to use them. And the criminals know it...
You might live in a nice fairytale community. There are millions more who live in areas where there are multiple child predators and other sex offenders within blocks of their home. (http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0, When was the last time you took the time to check your neighborhood?) How about the neighborhoods that are run by gangs, or dominiated by drugs and crime? You want to ask a child predator who's trying to grab your kid out of the front yard to hang on for a minute while you unlock, load and come back with your handgun? How about the guy that busts through your bedroom window at 2am trying to find drug money? You think these people are going to show you the courtesy of waiting while you arm yourself?
These arent fantasy scenarios. These are things that happen daily . But you dont see the stories about people that successfuly defend themselves with firearms because the narrative in mainstream media is that guns are bad. You only hear the stories about the CRIMINLS who harm the UNARMED innocent people that CANT DEFEND THEMSELVES.
The manufacture of guns by conventional means requires large factories and an organised distribution chain that make it fairly easy for any government to regulate,...
That's not at all accurate. You only need some basic metal working machinery (lathes, presses, etc.) which I can purchase with cash for a few thousand dollars at any of 5 suppliers in a 50 mile range. They are not registered or tracked any more so than you buying a hand saw at Home Depot. These pieces of equipment are easily in tight enough tolerance to build highly accurate and reliable firearms.
The limiting factor has nothing to do with anonymously aquiring the needed tools or materials. The limiting factor is the knowledge and skill to produce effective results.
"Go ahead, get excited about them 'horseless carriages'. Them stupid contraptions aint never gonna replace horses."
3D printing is the future of manufacturing. The limiting factor right now is materials. You assume that all 3d printing will forever be done with plastic, and you are wrong. Already there are 3D printing techniques that instead bond metal powders, or use epoxy resins, or both.
Given the mass potential of these manufacturing techniques you can bet that there will be a groundswell in materials research to advance it.(In reality this has already begun.) A cost-effective material that is as strong or stronger than steel being usable as a 3D printing medium isnt just a possibility, it's an inevitability.
Given my rapidly declining faith in US education I think I might rather hear the guesses of 90 year old farmers that dropped out in the 4th grade.
But Al Gore said it was "several million degress".... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMrxC-qEHb8 I'm so confused.
With all else being equal, if there are specific laws that ensure that someone who IS NOT a white male is given preference, then the white male is not the one proven to have demonstrated racism.
I am a middle-aged white male, and I am discriminated against because of my skintone, and sex. It is an undeniable fact that I am less likely to obtain a job in several categories when competing with those of color or women precisely because I'm white and have a penis. Hiring practices are designed to give preference to women or people of color. Business loans and home loans are designed much the same way. All else being equal, from education, to training, to personal hygiene, to ability to communicate, to congeniality, I will lose more often than not.
If it is wrong for a person to be denied a job or a loan because they have dark skin or lack a penis, it is equally wrong for them to obtain a job or loan for exactly those same reasons. Legitimizing discrimination against me as revenge for some wrong I never had a part of is an injustice in the eyes of any rational person. Punish those who are guilty, not those that fit the same physical description as those who are guilty.
I refuse to feel guilty about being born to the wrong parents and with a penis. This guy just pointed out the volume of people that would prefer I (and he) would. Its unfortunate how many of them (and you) are unable to recongnize that simple truth about themselves.