I'd love it if this was implemented at my daughter's school. I have a responsibility to make sure that my daughter eats well; it's just part of the general responsibility of care that I have.
I've tried asking her what she had for lunch; sometimes she tells me, sometimes she doesn't. I've tried to get her to eat more healthy stuff at school; sometimes it works, more often it doesn't.
We're going to have a word with the school, to see if they'll do anything. I would consider it part of their general responsibility towards the children in their care, but they may not see it that way. They may also be simply unable to properly monitor and control the lunchtime eating habits of so many children. If this sort of system was available, making sure that our daughter is eating well more often than not would be that much easier.
As for what some other posters have said, we rarely have take away or pizza. I cook dinner pretty-much every night of the week, and we always have fresh fruit in the house. Kids will be kids though, and our daughter seems to have inherited my sweet tooth (and luckily, her mother's love of fruit too).
Really, I'm as paranoid as the next slashdotter, but I don't see this as a privacy violation, or a violation of any other right. Of course, my daughter's only five - if you're using this to try to fix the eating habits of 13+ year olds, you're probably fighting a losing battle.
Refusing to make a version of IE7 a part of win 2000 is as much a business decision as a technical one.
Yes - Win2k is *old*. It's going into extended support (== only security updates) in a couple of months. Does RedHat actively support RH from 5-6 years ago? Does *anyone* support back-porting new features to versions of their products that are that old?
their network people, many of whom are microsoft weanies, do not want to put their networks in harms way by using XP for their servers.
Two things:
1) "microsoft weenies" - very mature of you 2) of course they don't want to use XP on their servers, no-one in their right minds would; XP is a *desktop* OS. For a Windows server, use a Windows Server - ie a flavour of 2k Server or 2003 Server.
Go ahead then, list the security issues that have been found in.NET and IIS 6.
The guy may work for MS, but he has a point. If this actually has been deployed, and is as insecure as some posters here are opining, why hasn't it been hacked yet?
I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's also nowhere near as bad as even some of the +5 comments are making it out to be. (All with no evidence, of course)
You're right - MS should be forced to support all its software for all eternity, back-porting everything to every version of Windows that they've ever released.
Parents have abdicated their responsibility to their children because our greedy society dictates it must be so.
Hey, no offence, but fuck you. Not all of us have done so; I go to work while my fiancée stays at home to look after our daughter. It's *hard*, we never have enough money, but we do it, because we believe that it's better for her that way.
Does none refer to a group, or to each individual member of the group?
In either case, I think you'll find that "none of the applicants was" and "none of the applicants were" are both acceptable, but the former is definitely correct, even if the latter is.
IANAL, IANA Economist, etc, but I believe that a not-for-profit can make as much money as it wants, it just can't make a profit. That is, any money made above and beyond that required to cover its costs must go back into the business as investment - buy more stuff, hire more people, expand, increase R&D, whatever.
The downside is when store X just a short drive away offers it for $15.
The effect of OSS/Free software is to drive the cost per unit to zero (or very nearly so). That's great for software consumers, and fine if you're a software producer that doesn't want/need to earn money from it, but not very good for the middlemen, such as shops.
OpenOffice has made some inroads but as soon as one glitch comes up where it doesn't render a MS format properly everyone starts bitching.
I work in a professional environment. Sometimes I have to produce Word documents, sometimes I have to accept them, and sometimes the ones I accept I have to edit and redistribute.
If Word screws up the formatting, it's embarassing, but at least I used Word - my arse is covered. If I choose to use OOo and it screws up the formatting, it's my fault for using a non-standard app.
Bottom line is that unless and until OOo is approved by corporate IT (and it'll be a cold day in hell), if I want to use it then fine - but I'll have to check any document very carefully in Word before sending it out. It's not like I have enough time to produce the documents as it is most of the time...
That's one reason why people bitch. "Good enough" isn't good enough when you're dealing with clients and (upper) management.
Did you? Or did someone else manage to get a trojaned version on the machine while you weren't looking?
Or maybe they trojaned your compiler, and it's been compiling backdoors into critical components without you knowing.
Or they trojaned the compiler you used to compile your compiler, to make it compile backdoors into critical components that you compile with it.
Besides which, this isn't just about you trusting Suse or RedHat or whoever to sign stuff for you - this is also about you being able to sign stuff, so you know that no-one's messed with it.
(Incidentally, as the post you're replying to is specifically talking about Debian, what does Microsoft have to do with anything?)
I don't know why this is so hard to understand: Slashdot has around 800,000 registered users. A typical Slashdot story will have around 500 comments from perhaps 200 or 300 different registered users, i.e. around 0.03% of all.
Let this sink in: the set of people commenting on a story will be a highly selected sample of those who care about that particular subject, and it won't necessarily be representative of Slashdot readership.
And yet you always seem to see the same opinions expressed and modded up to +4 or +5, time and time again. That takes not only the posters, but the moderators too.
It really does get hard to shake the feeling that while the readers of slashdot have a wide variety of opinions, the Slashdot Readership is pretty much agreed on most topics.
And no, of course he wasn't serious about that last bit.
I couldn't agree more. If you're not in the business of building software, you shouldn't be building software. Same goes for trucks, warehouses, cranes, desks, and anything else your business may require.
Hell, even if you *are* in the business of building software, you may well be better off buying it in instead. My company is a software house (we do web-apps), there's no way we'd write our own web server or RDBMs, we'll get one from a third party (be that mySQL, MS SQL Server or Oracle, etc).
I like eye candy. I spend most of the day, most days sat staring at my monitor, so I want what's on it to look as pleasing as possible.
That said, I also want my software to work well. So in any comparison of groupware clients, I need two questions answered:
1) What is the speed like accessing mail on an Exchange server?
2) Does it fully integrate with Exchange's calendaring?
I ask 1) because my company uses Exchange, and in the past I've tried KMail and Mozilla Mail, and both were sluggish as hell accessing my mail. I'm impatient, I don't *want* to wait.
I ask 2) because several years ago, use of the Exchange calendaring feature was mandated. That's how you book meetings, that's how you're told you've been booked to attend a meeting (and some people don't bother speaking to you about it!), you're even supposed to mark time spent away from your desk on holiday or even at lunch, so people know you're not there. If the alternative groupware clients can't do all this with Exchange, then I can't use them.
Exchange is part of the reason I switched back to Windows. Sure, I could run Linux, but to access my mail (acceptably) and calendar (at all) I had to use Outlook, and that meant wasting resources running VMWare. (I also, personally, found XP more aesthetically pleasing than Mandrake 9, but that's purely subjective)
Why does it smash the idea of man having been created in the image of God? If there is life on other planets, then it'll just be more plants and animals. Exotic perhaps, perhaps even based on sulphur chemistry for example, but still just plants and animals. The discovery of new species of plants and animals on this planet didn't smash that idea, why should discovering them on a different planet do so? Ditto the Jews being the chosen people.
(Disclaimer: I'm not religious, I just don't follow your logic)
I'm often amazed however at how many non tech literate people I know simply refuse to even try OSX even when I offer to show them how to. These are people who are completely frustrated by Windows but stick with it only because it's what they know and cannot even fathom an alternative.
Well, if it was that much of a fight to get as far as they have with one OS, why on earth would they want to go through it all again with another one?
They don't know that it'll be any easier, so why should they risk it?
You're describing zealots of all kinds there. Swap "Mac" for "Windows", "Linux", "GNU", "closed source", "open source", "Java", "C", etc etc and you can have exactly the same kind of story.
Are you trying to prove his point? The "so STFU" was utterly unecessary, and only served to detract from your argument and make you look immature.
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But if it's GPLed, you can't prevent your customers from undercutting you. The effect of the GPL is to push the price of the software to zero - you can only realistically make money selling related services, such as support or bespoke modification.
you happened to work in a role which requires a knife
Which will be brought up at the trial. No-one is going to accuse a chef or a butcher or whatever of going equipped when they're merely carrying the tools of their trade.
Seriously, this sort of thing happens all the time. No-one has made carrying a crowbar illegal, yet a burglar caught with one is going to get smacked down harder than a burglar caught without any tools.
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I'd love it if this was implemented at my daughter's school. I have a responsibility to make sure that my daughter eats well; it's just part of the general responsibility of care that I have.
I've tried asking her what she had for lunch; sometimes she tells me, sometimes she doesn't. I've tried to get her to eat more healthy stuff at school; sometimes it works, more often it doesn't.
We're going to have a word with the school, to see if they'll do anything. I would consider it part of their general responsibility towards the children in their care, but they may not see it that way. They may also be simply unable to properly monitor and control the lunchtime eating habits of so many children. If this sort of system was available, making sure that our daughter is eating well more often than not would be that much easier.
As for what some other posters have said, we rarely have take away or pizza. I cook dinner pretty-much every night of the week, and we always have fresh fruit in the house. Kids will be kids though, and our daughter seems to have inherited my sweet tooth (and luckily, her mother's love of fruit too).
Really, I'm as paranoid as the next slashdotter, but I don't see this as a privacy violation, or a violation of any other right. Of course, my daughter's only five - if you're using this to try to fix the eating habits of 13+ year olds, you're probably fighting a losing battle.
Refusing to make a version of IE7 a part of win 2000 is as much a business decision as a technical one.
Yes - Win2k is *old*. It's going into extended support (== only security updates) in a couple of months. Does RedHat actively support RH from 5-6 years ago? Does *anyone* support back-porting new features to versions of their products that are that old?
their network people, many of whom are microsoft weanies, do not want to put their networks in harms way by using XP for their servers.
Two things:
1) "microsoft weenies" - very mature of you
2) of course they don't want to use XP on their servers, no-one in their right minds would; XP is a *desktop* OS. For a Windows server, use a Windows Server - ie a flavour of 2k Server or 2003 Server.
MS will stop supporting 2000 completely.
Yes, sometime in 2010
Go ahead then, list the security issues that have been found in .NET and IIS 6.
The guy may work for MS, but he has a point. If this actually has been deployed, and is as insecure as some posters here are opining, why hasn't it been hacked yet?
I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's also nowhere near as bad as even some of the +5 comments are making it out to be. (All with no evidence, of course)
You're right - MS should be forced to support all its software for all eternity, back-porting everything to every version of Windows that they've ever released.
It's an idea, but you're likely to fall foul of the police for that.
Of course, that's what civil disobedience is all about...
Parents have abdicated their responsibility to their children because our greedy society dictates it must be so.
Hey, no offence, but fuck you. Not all of us have done so; I go to work while my fiancée stays at home to look after our daughter. It's *hard*, we never have enough money, but we do it, because we believe that it's better for her that way.
Where are all those raindrops falling?
You think the forecasters know? I've lost count of the number of times recently that the forecast has said rain and it's held off, or vice versa...
Does none refer to a group, or to each individual member of the group?
In either case, I think you'll find that "none of the applicants was" and "none of the applicants were" are both acceptable, but the former is definitely correct, even if the latter is.
IANAL, IANA Economist, etc, but I believe that a not-for-profit can make as much money as it wants, it just can't make a profit. That is, any money made above and beyond that required to cover its costs must go back into the business as investment - buy more stuff, hire more people, expand, increase R&D, whatever.
The downside is when store X just a short drive away offers it for $15.
The effect of OSS/Free software is to drive the cost per unit to zero (or very nearly so). That's great for software consumers, and fine if you're a software producer that doesn't want/need to earn money from it, but not very good for the middlemen, such as shops.
OpenOffice has made some inroads but as soon as one glitch comes up where it doesn't render a MS format properly everyone starts bitching.
I work in a professional environment. Sometimes I have to produce Word documents, sometimes I have to accept them, and sometimes the ones I accept I have to edit and redistribute.
If Word screws up the formatting, it's embarassing, but at least I used Word - my arse is covered. If I choose to use OOo and it screws up the formatting, it's my fault for using a non-standard app.
Bottom line is that unless and until OOo is approved by corporate IT (and it'll be a cold day in hell), if I want to use it then fine - but I'll have to check any document very carefully in Word before sending it out. It's not like I have enough time to produce the documents as it is most of the time...
That's one reason why people bitch. "Good enough" isn't good enough when you're dealing with clients and (upper) management.
which just demonstrates how unwilling most sheep^Wpeople are to engage in thought and/or debate.
Or perhaps you just come across as arrogant and condescending, as you certainly are here.
Hint: stop thinking of people as sheep and you might find that your attitude towards them improves to the point that you get on better with them.
Did you? Or did someone else manage to get a trojaned version on the machine while you weren't looking?
Or maybe they trojaned your compiler, and it's been compiling backdoors into critical components without you knowing.
Or they trojaned the compiler you used to compile your compiler, to make it compile backdoors into critical components that you compile with it.
Besides which, this isn't just about you trusting Suse or RedHat or whoever to sign stuff for you - this is also about you being able to sign stuff, so you know that no-one's messed with it.
(Incidentally, as the post you're replying to is specifically talking about Debian, what does Microsoft have to do with anything?)
I don't know why this is so hard to understand: Slashdot has around 800,000 registered users. A typical Slashdot story will have around 500 comments from perhaps 200 or 300 different registered users, i.e. around 0.03% of all.
Let this sink in: the set of people commenting on a story will be a highly selected sample of those who care about that particular subject, and it won't necessarily be representative of Slashdot readership.
And yet you always seem to see the same opinions expressed and modded up to +4 or +5, time and time again. That takes not only the posters, but the moderators too.
It really does get hard to shake the feeling that while the readers of slashdot have a wide variety of opinions, the Slashdot Readership is pretty much agreed on most topics.
And no, of course he wasn't serious about that last bit.
Flamebait my arse.
Come off it mods, that was funny! What harm does it do? What's up, get caught out and taking your embarrassment out on the poster?
I couldn't agree more. If you're not in the business of building software, you shouldn't be building software. Same goes for trucks, warehouses, cranes, desks, and anything else your business may require.
Hell, even if you *are* in the business of building software, you may well be better off buying it in instead. My company is a software house (we do web-apps), there's no way we'd write our own web server or RDBMs, we'll get one from a third party (be that mySQL, MS SQL Server or Oracle, etc).
I like eye candy. I spend most of the day, most days sat staring at my monitor, so I want what's on it to look as pleasing as possible.
That said, I also want my software to work well. So in any comparison of groupware clients, I need two questions answered:
1) What is the speed like accessing mail on an Exchange server?
2) Does it fully integrate with Exchange's calendaring?
I ask 1) because my company uses Exchange, and in the past I've tried KMail and Mozilla Mail, and both were sluggish as hell accessing my mail. I'm impatient, I don't *want* to wait.
I ask 2) because several years ago, use of the Exchange calendaring feature was mandated. That's how you book meetings, that's how you're told you've been booked to attend a meeting (and some people don't bother speaking to you about it!), you're even supposed to mark time spent away from your desk on holiday or even at lunch, so people know you're not there. If the alternative groupware clients can't do all this with Exchange, then I can't use them.
Exchange is part of the reason I switched back to Windows. Sure, I could run Linux, but to access my mail (acceptably) and calendar (at all) I had to use Outlook, and that meant wasting resources running VMWare. (I also, personally, found XP more aesthetically pleasing than Mandrake 9, but that's purely subjective)
Why does it smash the idea of man having been created in the image of God? If there is life on other planets, then it'll just be more plants and animals. Exotic perhaps, perhaps even based on sulphur chemistry for example, but still just plants and animals. The discovery of new species of plants and animals on this planet didn't smash that idea, why should discovering them on a different planet do so? Ditto the Jews being the chosen people.
(Disclaimer: I'm not religious, I just don't follow your logic)
I'm often amazed however at how many non tech literate people I know simply refuse to even try OSX even when I offer to show them how to. These are people who are completely frustrated by Windows but stick with it only because it's what they know and cannot even fathom an alternative.
Well, if it was that much of a fight to get as far as they have with one OS, why on earth would they want to go through it all again with another one?
They don't know that it'll be any easier, so why should they risk it?
You're describing zealots of all kinds there. Swap "Mac" for "Windows", "Linux", "GNU", "closed source", "open source", "Java", "C", etc etc and you can have exactly the same kind of story.
Zealots are the problem, not Mac zealots.
Well, you're right, but:
19 Month is a lifetime is IT, so STFU
Are you trying to prove his point? The "so STFU" was utterly unecessary, and only served to detract from your argument and make you look immature.
But if it's GPLed, you can't prevent your customers from undercutting you. The effect of the GPL is to push the price of the software to zero - you can only realistically make money selling related services, such as support or bespoke modification.
I pay someone else to do that to my car.
you happened to work in a role which requires a knife
Which will be brought up at the trial. No-one is going to accuse a chef or a butcher or whatever of going equipped when they're merely carrying the tools of their trade.
Seriously, this sort of thing happens all the time. No-one has made carrying a crowbar illegal, yet a burglar caught with one is going to get smacked down harder than a burglar caught without any tools.
Not to take anything away from the sentiment you've expressed, but don't forget how long ago this probe was launched.
America doesn't "have the balls" to do anything like this anymore either.
That said, I personally consider it to be an astounding achievement that the entire race can be proud of.