In my search, I found quite a few web sites but all were either too generic "use a voltage regulator [insert product name]"/"here's the concepts on how to make your own VRU" or were specific to one model of system board. Nothing with a list of models.
A few sites did point out that changing the voltage to a non-standard setting might provide a specific system with the proper split. The caution there was that the extra power would require more cooling on the VRU itself or replacing parts of the VRU's heat sink...else it would burn out. That the heat sink would destabilize is amazing, since it takes quite a bit of heat to remove one of those with a soldering iron!
If you happen to find that old URL, or remember some key word/phrase that was on it let me know. I've already searched on the obvious, and quite a few non-obvious!
I looked into this reciently. Bottom line: Most socket 7 systems can handle up-to a K6-2 @ 233. Exactly the kind of chip that's no longer being sold. For anything faster, you're out of luck unless you do some fairly risky or costly modifications. To be fair, this isn't useless for all socket 7 systems, but a damn fair number of them. It's not the multiplier(1), or the 66mhz PCI system bus(2), it's the split voltage regulator.
Most of these old systems either don't have split voltage support at all, or don't have it for the K6-2+'s 2v/3.1v. Forget about the lower voltages. The K6-2 (non + ) is only marginally more likely to work.
To solve this, you'll need a voltage adapter or you'll need to do some fancy solder work. If you decide to OC it at an invalid voltage, thinking you'll just add more cooling, well, to each his own. I wouldn't bother -- but then I'm not you!
Corrections appreciated...especially ones that show it's not either a waste of time or money to do this type of upgrade. Break even would be good.
1. There are sweet spots. K6-2 cpus with a CTX core at 400mhz will switch to a 6x multiplier...slow enough to interface with a regualr socket 7 system bus.
2. 80mhz~ overclocked if you're lucky and your cards can handle it. Forget 100mhz for all but 'super 7' boards, and even those aren't a given.
Retail stores will swap stock (6.2 for 7.0), just like everyone else.
The bonus for a retailer is that if the product sells, they get to sell it once or twice a year...not just once every 3 years. If the product doesn't sell, then swapping stock is something they begin to hate. In some cases, they get kick backs for 'old' versions and use some of that money to reduce the price of stuff on the shelves instead of returning it.
These policies differ on the software producer's side and the retail outlet side...usually to the benifit of the retail outlet (don't want to piss those folks off!).
Also remember that Linux distros don't have the artificial 'upgrade' versions -- they're all 'full' versions.
As of a few minutes ago, kde.org didn't mention beta 3, the mirrors weren't populated yet, and both the user and devel mailing lists hadn't mentioned that it was released.
The tech CDs O'Reilly puts out use a Java-based search engine. I don't think it's not open source, but it does a good job.
For network/Internet access, this isn't the answer, but for sending out CDs, it's almost ideal. There is some setup involved, so it's not a no-brainer but it is close.
While this does not answer all questions, you might want to check out the latest announcement on KMailcvt. It converts Outlook and MS Exchange folders to KMail folders.
It's not a dynamic protocol, and it's KMail-specific (whatever that means!). Yet, it could be used as part of a plan to move people from Exchange to a more open mail system.
If it can do that, then the same code could be adapted as part of a more general conversion system.
On another note, those who use KDE or KDE apps under another environment might want to look at ftp://ftp.us.kde.org/pub/kde/Incoming. Do you see what I see????:)
I'm not sure if you're looking for general advice on how to administer a network, or for education-specific software to run on those systems.
Things like Dan's Quiz Page cover creating custom quizes, while there are some sites that have a specific topic like science. The general site LinuxForKids.org has links to most educationl titles, though the emphasis is for home-use.
If you're looking for help on how to set things up, and administer them, look here at Learnux.
If you're looking for School Administration (beurocratic) software, I didn't find any. That doesn't mean that there isn't any. Take a look here , here or here . Ask these groups questions, there are quite a few mailing lists on this subject.
I agree. If they did have some resources to draw upon, then CBTs aren't very useful. Since they don't, this is better then nothing.
In one way, though, the CBT Systems(tm) courses are actually bad for someone with zero knowledge in a subject -- and I'm not just talking novice computer users either.
Early on in many (all?) courses, the software will ask questions on topics that have not been discussed. This is frustrating to the student, since they don't have a reasonable chance to provide a correct answer. I remember some of that when trying out the Cisco tutorials, myself.
I can think of two reasons for this behavior;
It's a way to warn the student to pay attention to a specific fact: Yet, there are better ways to do that.
It's a way to tell the experienced user that this type of training isn't going to be valuable: Yet, the student should be able to figure out if this is the case or not by themselves.
Maybe CBT Systems puts out good stuff now. What I used a couple years ago -- a 6 CD set -- was horrid.
Thinking I missed something, I bit my lip and waited for others in my group at the time to use the tutorials for a while, and let them tell me what they thought.
Summary: Very few people thought they learned anything, and most people returned to books or hands-on work (when possible). The consensus was that CBT Systems software was useful to learn how to pass a test, but didn't actually teach anything of lasting value. That, and it felt like abuse, not learning.
If you don't trust the script on the download page, do a manual install or read the script before you execute it. Unlike some scripts, this one is mostly comments and it is easy to figure out what it's doing.
To grab it is also simple, just change this line from the directions on Helix's site from...
lynx -source http://go-gnome.com | sh
to...
lynx -source http://go-gnome.com > foo.sh
...and you can view the script.
The script itself is simple, and basically puts up a warning and extracts a binary. The binary is uuencoded, and source is available.
The installer is quite handy if you have a network since you can run and fetch everything from a local, and known secure, machine...not Helix's site.
In that case, NASA's blocking of all @home IPs -- even for a couple days -- makes total sense. (Not elegent, but effective, till NASA tightened up thier own servers.)
As of last week, the login screen didn't look like this, and some of the tools they mention weren't in the default menus. I guess it's time to grab another beta!
While it might not qualify as a pure example of an Anti-Mac interface, it could easily be mistaken for a transitional form. The screenshots from the web site tell the story better. Pay special attention to these two;
descent 3 is long out of sales on windows, it's not even in the bargain bin anymore.
Well, I haven't seen D3 in the bargin bins, and D2 is still available. I bought D2 ($6.95, CD only) a couple days ago, since it works under Linux using the Descent 2 port.
The bargain version did require you to install it under DOS to extract the data files, though there may be an easy way around this. (I didn't bother...VMWare is ideal for this kind of thing.)
Some components that are being created don't depend on a specific GUI. The interface is usually targeted at one of the window managers, but is for displaying the results of the component engine.
If you want to use a program, you can use it with a text-mode viewer, or one scaled down to a small GUI.
Whatever happened to that KDE & GNOME common component archetecure?
While it's not what you asked for, there is a steady creeping toward co-operation betweeen the two. Sure, it's inconsistant, and I do agree with Miguel's point about the Unix way as a geek defense mechanism. (On the other hand, competition/evolution has quite a few benifits!)
Gnome and KDE programs can easily run under either desktop (duh!:) ). Gnome's.desktop links have been adopted by KDE 2, so some duplication of effort is being removed there. Also, by standardizing on XML DTDs such as DocBook.
There are other ways that Gnome/KDE overlap, but these are becoming ancient history. For example who's going to remember or care about the old KDE 1.x links after a few months of using KDE 2?
Moderators, I haven't moderated anything on/., so I don't know the process. The results do confuse me, though.
First off, thanks to the moderator who gave my post the +1 Insightful.
I don't understand the -1 Overrated moderation, though. It's not like I recieved +4 for Insighful, so how does a single +1 make the whole thing overrated?
I complained once, and now it seems like more of my posts get a -1... out of spite? I can't tell, since I don't know who moderated me down. Either way, it does look like a reverse-troll. If so, very bad form. If not, give me a clue, eh?
Here's an original. LGPLed if you want to pass it along.
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1984? To be so lucky. The image of the future isn't a picture of a face being stomped on by a boot, forever. Instead, it'll be something...like...this;
CLOCK: *BZTTTT* Good Morning! This wake up call is sponsored by McDonalds. Don't you want a break today?
The ceiling brightens, and an image of a sun dances across it...with the GM logo embossed on it...the shadow of a car eclipses it for a moment.
You: Damn, I thought I opted out of that.
Rub your eyes. Push 3M-Lumisheets aside, get out of bed. The sheets have little company logos that shimmer and ripple across the surface
You: Got to make the breakfast...got to make the breakfast...
As you walk to the light switch, the sounds of waves lapping... lapping and sand shifting are projected from the carpet. Then a soothing voice "Get away, take a Royal Caribbean vacation.
You [mumble]: fuch you...not going on another one of those damn trips...floating hotels.
There are two light switches both in illuminated green; One says YES the other says, slightly brighter, YESS. The fine print under YESS says 'yess...send me back to the Bahamas on the cruse of a lifetime'.
You pound the YES button...now mildly angered. The YESS button was on the left last time.
The rest of the morning is uneventful. You get dressed in your clothes, shower, all sponsored by the conglomerate TPGE (aka Toyota-Pepsi-GE). Little ditties and logos are everywhere, shimmering, whispering; 'did you know you can get a tune-up for your Nissan at any Toyota-Ultra-Care Autoparks?' Now, you know.
Presentable, you get in your Nissan Phantom (watch some hdtv on the view screen while in traffic), and get to work.
Your day is boring. Any epaper you touch flashes a logo across it for a moment before it's readable... but it does have a search engine built in.
Your lunch comes..but you change your mind before it arrives and the delivery guy gets angry;
'It's Thursday...that means Bumble Bee Tuna with Dejourner's Mild Classic Yellow mustard. Don't you like tuna anymore? Listen...if you want something that's not sponsored, it'll cost you $47.50, otherwise it's only $15, decide but stop changing your mind. You really need to opt out 24 hours in advance, like everyone else.'
You eat the tuna sandwich.
Throughout the day, your coworkers occasionally drop by for chit-chat. Talking about what they just bought, places they're going. Oddly enough, you rember most of those things from adds in the company bathroom.
Feeling proud, you are glad that you -- at a minimum -- are doing something useful. The new Microsoft On-Target targeted marketing engine is almost complete...it should make things much better. You smile, showing sharp teeth.
*BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT* Smacking your clock radio...you pant, thinking 'It's not true, OH!' You relax in bed to some music, and in a moment a soothing voice comes on and asks if you 'want a break today?'
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Neither would I. I'd expect that much RAM on a typical video card sometime around 2003 to 2005.
As a quick and very dirty rule-of-thumb, computer components tend to double in size/speed every ~18 months. (YES, I'm mangling Moore's law...no, I don't care!)
If typical video RAM in 1980 was about ~4K, then the 8MB used now (not one tweaked for games) is right in line for what would be expected; 8MB. (Spreadsheet: a1=4, a2=a1*2...out to 12th place = 8192)
Are you the same type of people who watch programs like "The Mystery of the Shroud of Turin" and "The Lost Continent of Atlantis"?
Oh, wait. That's right. You're all (uneducated) high school students with no knowledge of modern science or scepticism.
I'll see your rant, and raise you a big cheesy chunk of real life.
I have a friend. A smart person, with a graduate degree, who loves the show. Once, I mentioned to her that I never got into the X-Files, and she talked for about a half hour about it was so wonderful and that I 'wasn't being fair'.
After she had wound down a bit, I was able to speak; 'OK, fine' I said 'I'll give it another try. You do have to admit that some people take the show a little too seriously...it's a STORY, fiction, entertainment, nothing more. That's what I find to be the biggest turn off.'
To that, she dedicated the next hour to how 'wrong I was' and that that 'much of it is based on fact' or only names and minor plot changes were made.
Slashdot Mirror
A few sites did point out that changing the voltage to a non-standard setting might provide a specific system with the proper split. The caution there was that the extra power would require more cooling on the VRU itself or replacing parts of the VRU's heat sink...else it would burn out. That the heat sink would destabilize is amazing, since it takes quite a bit of heat to remove one of those with a soldering iron!
If you happen to find that old URL, or remember some key word/phrase that was on it let me know. I've already searched on the obvious, and quite a few non-obvious!
Nope. Not at all. Please re-read my original note. Thanks.
I have, and mentioned it in passing. If you don't have a super board, these upgrade processors don't matter;
socket 7 =! super socket 7 ~/= socket 7
Most of these old systems either don't have split voltage support at all, or don't have it for the K6-2+'s 2v/3.1v. Forget about the lower voltages. The K6-2 (non + ) is only marginally more likely to work.
To solve this, you'll need a voltage adapter or you'll need to do some fancy solder work. If you decide to OC it at an invalid voltage, thinking you'll just add more cooling, well, to each his own. I wouldn't bother -- but then I'm not you!
Corrections appreciated...especially ones that show it's not either a waste of time or money to do this type of upgrade. Break even would be good.
1. There are sweet spots. K6-2 cpus with a CTX core at 400mhz will switch to a 6x multiplier...slow enough to interface with a regualr socket 7 system bus.
2. 80mhz~ overclocked if you're lucky and your cards can handle it. Forget 100mhz for all but 'super 7' boards, and even those aren't a given.
The bonus for a retailer is that if the product sells, they get to sell it once or twice a year...not just once every 3 years. If the product doesn't sell, then swapping stock is something they begin to hate. In some cases, they get kick backs for 'old' versions and use some of that money to reduce the price of stuff on the shelves instead of returning it.
These policies differ on the software producer's side and the retail outlet side...usually to the benifit of the retail outlet (don't want to piss those folks off!).
Also remember that Linux distros don't have the artificial 'upgrade' versions -- they're all 'full' versions.
As of a few minutes ago, kde.org didn't mention beta 3, the mirrors weren't populated yet, and both the user and devel mailing lists hadn't mentioned that it was released.
Corrections appreciated...
Er...let's try that again.
There. Sorry for any confusion.
For network/Internet access, this isn't the answer, but for sending out CDs, it's almost ideal. There is some setup involved, so it's not a no-brainer but it is close.
It's not a dynamic protocol, and it's KMail-specific (whatever that means!). Yet, it could be used as part of a plan to move people from Exchange to a more open mail system.
If it can do that, then the same code could be adapted as part of a more general conversion system.
this is a good replacement for the second to last 'Here' above.
I'm not sure if you're looking for general advice on how to administer a network, or for education-specific software to run on those systems.
Things like Dan's Quiz Page cover creating custom quizes, while there are some sites that have a specific topic like science. The general site LinuxForKids.org has links to most educationl titles, though the emphasis is for home-use.
If you're looking for help on how to set things up, and administer them, look here at Learnux.
If you're looking for School Administration (beurocratic) software, I didn't find any. That doesn't mean that there isn't any. Take a look here , here or here . Ask these groups questions, there are quite a few mailing lists on this subject.
In one way, though, the CBT Systems(tm) courses are actually bad for someone with zero knowledge in a subject -- and I'm not just talking novice computer users either.
Early on in many (all?) courses, the software will ask questions on topics that have not been discussed. This is frustrating to the student, since they don't have a reasonable chance to provide a correct answer. I remember some of that when trying out the Cisco tutorials, myself.
I can think of two reasons for this behavior;
Thinking I missed something, I bit my lip and waited for others in my group at the time to use the tutorials for a while, and let them tell me what they thought.
Summary: Very few people thought they learned anything, and most people returned to books or hands-on work (when possible). The consensus was that CBT Systems software was useful to learn how to pass a test, but didn't actually teach anything of lasting value. That, and it felt like abuse, not learning.
To grab it is also simple, just change this line from the directions on Helix's site from...
lynx -source http://go-gnome.com | sh
to...
lynx -source http://go-gnome.com > foo.sh
...and you can view the script.
The script itself is simple, and basically puts up a warning and extracts a binary. The binary is uuencoded, and source is available.
The installer is quite handy if you have a network since you can run and fetch everything from a local, and known secure, machine...not Helix's site.
In that case, NASA's blocking of all @home IPs -- even for a couple days -- makes total sense. (Not elegent, but effective, till NASA tightened up thier own servers.)
As of last week, the login screen didn't look like this, and some of the tools they mention weren't in the default menus. I guess it's time to grab another beta!
A GUI CLI, whodathunkit?
While it might not qualify as a pure example of an Anti-Mac interface, it could easily be mistaken for a transitional form. The screenshots from the web site tell the story better. Pay special attention to these two;
Graphics with text CLI
Collapsing output from the GUI/CLI like a folder list
Well, I haven't seen D3 in the bargin bins, and D2 is still available. I bought D2 ($6.95, CD only) a couple days ago, since it works under Linux using the Descent 2 port.
The bargain version did require you to install it under DOS to extract the data files, though there may be an easy way around this. (I didn't bother...VMWare is ideal for this kind of thing.)
If you want to use a program, you can use it with a text-mode viewer, or one scaled down to a small GUI.
While it's not what you asked for, there is a steady creeping toward co-operation betweeen the two. Sure, it's inconsistant, and I do agree with Miguel's point about the Unix way as a geek defense mechanism. (On the other hand, competition/evolution has quite a few benifits!)
Gnome and KDE programs can easily run under either desktop (duh! :) ). Gnome's .desktop links have been adopted by KDE 2, so some duplication of effort is being removed there. Also, by standardizing on XML DTDs such as DocBook.
There are other ways that Gnome/KDE overlap, but these are becoming ancient history. For example who's going to remember or care about the old KDE 1.x links after a few months of using KDE 2?
First off, thanks to the moderator who gave my post the +1 Insightful.
I don't understand the -1 Overrated moderation, though. It's not like I recieved +4 for Insighful, so how does a single +1 make the whole thing overrated?
I complained once, and now it seems like more of my posts get a -1 ... out of spite? I can't tell, since I don't know who moderated me down. Either way, it does look like a reverse-troll. If so, very bad form. If not, give me a clue, eh?
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1984? To be so lucky. The image of the future isn't a picture of a face being stomped on by a boot, forever. Instead, it'll be something...like...this;
The ceiling brightens, and an image of a sun dances across it...with the GM logo embossed on it...the shadow of a car eclipses it for a moment.
You: Damn, I thought I opted out of that.
Rub your eyes. Push 3M-Lumisheets aside, get out of bed. The sheets have little company logos that shimmer and ripple across the surface
You: Got to make the breakfast...got to make the breakfast...
As you walk to the light switch, the sounds of waves lapping ... lapping and sand shifting are projected from the carpet. Then a soothing voice "Get away, take a Royal Caribbean vacation.
You [mumble]: fuch you...not going on another one of those damn trips...floating hotels.
There are two light switches both in illuminated green; One says YES the other says, slightly brighter, YESS. The fine print under YESS says 'yess...send me back to the Bahamas on the cruse of a lifetime'.
You pound the YES button...now mildly angered. The YESS button was on the left last time.
The rest of the morning is uneventful. You get dressed in your clothes, shower, all sponsored by the conglomerate TPGE (aka Toyota-Pepsi-GE). Little ditties and logos are everywhere, shimmering, whispering; 'did you know you can get a tune-up for your Nissan at any Toyota-Ultra-Care Autoparks?' Now, you know.
Presentable, you get in your Nissan Phantom (watch some hdtv on the view screen while in traffic), and get to work.
Your day is boring. Any epaper you touch flashes a logo across it for a moment before it's readable ... but it does have a search engine built in.
Your lunch comes..but you change your mind before it arrives and the delivery guy gets angry;
You eat the tuna sandwich.
Throughout the day, your coworkers occasionally drop by for chit-chat. Talking about what they just bought, places they're going. Oddly enough, you rember most of those things from adds in the company bathroom.
Feeling proud, you are glad that you -- at a minimum -- are doing something useful. The new Microsoft On-Target targeted marketing engine is almost complete...it should make things much better. You smile, showing sharp teeth.
*BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT* Smacking your clock radio...you pant, thinking 'It's not true, OH!' You relax in bed to some music, and in a moment a soothing voice comes on and asks if you 'want a break today?'
As a quick and very dirty rule-of-thumb, computer components tend to double in size/speed every ~18 months. (YES, I'm mangling Moore's law...no, I don't care!)
If typical video RAM in 1980 was about ~4K, then the 8MB used now (not one tweaked for games) is right in line for what would be expected; 8MB. (Spreadsheet: a1=4, a2=a1*2...out to 12th place = 8192)
This is nuts.
Oh, wait. That's right. You're all (uneducated) high school students with no knowledge of modern science or scepticism.
I'll see your rant, and raise you a big cheesy chunk of real life.
I have a friend. A smart person, with a graduate degree, who loves the show. Once, I mentioned to her that I never got into the X-Files, and she talked for about a half hour about it was so wonderful and that I 'wasn't being fair'.
After she had wound down a bit, I was able to speak; 'OK, fine' I said 'I'll give it another try. You do have to admit that some people take the show a little too seriously...it's a STORY, fiction, entertainment, nothing more. That's what I find to be the biggest turn off.'
To that, she dedicated the next hour to how 'wrong I was' and that that 'much of it is based on fact' or only names and minor plot changes were made.
Yow! Another graduate degree wasted!
Most mailing lists I'm interested in are listed at the Mailing list ARChives or at The Mail Archive (no relation!).
I'd be interested in learning of some other (non-Geocrawler) sites as well. Geocrawler is too slow and cluttered.