There are about as many ways Black Box Voting can mess up this test as there are ways to cheat elections that use these easily programmed voting machines and tabulators.
Computers are machines which we use to manipulate data. Votes are not the kind of data we want manipulated. End of case, electronic voting machines are a bad idea.
The "paper trail" some of these machines produce is not the ballot that is actually counted, it is an auditing tool. In California only 1% of these paper votes will be compared to the electronic vote. Unless the audit is very carefully designed, and some very stringent security measures enforced, there will be many opportunites to cheat, since 99% of the electronic votes will not be compared to the paper votes. Paper trails and electronic votes are much easier to mess with than boxes and boxes of voter verified paper ballots. People tend to notice when large bulky ballot boxes are being messed with, but nobody can see what's happening to their votes inside a memory cartridge.
The problem with all e-voting is that unsophisticated election officials, observers, and the voting public in general, are not able to judge the veracity of the auditing system with their own eyes. Electronic votes can't be seen or counted like marks on paper can.
I can see only one reason to use sophisticated electronic voting machines, and that is to assist voters who are not able to read or mark a conventional paper ballot. These voters would be well served by machines that read and mark ballots identical to those that other voters are using.
One or two of these machines at each polling place could be set aside for priority use by voters who need them. The privacy of their vote would be assured by letting others use these machines as they are otherwise available.
The greatest advantage of paper ballots is that they can always be counted by hand if their are any concerns at all about the electronic count.
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That's what these machines are good for, and I'm afraid that's why some election officials are defending them. The fact that "electronic" votes can't be audited or recounted is another "feature."
These electronic voting machines are a dream come true for those who want to subvert democracy.
"Most people will tolerate modem speeds, and those that won't are mostly pretty happy with DSL or cable."
Hmmm... the telephone company and cable television companies where I live are hated by most everyone.
Three-quarters of my neighbors have dumped cable television for satellite, and many of them do not have regular phone service at all, they use their cell phones for everything. The internet is something they use at work or school.
I don't expect we will be getting high speed internet access here soon, at least not from the phone or cable monopolies.
In decimal you might type for example year 2002. In Octal that would type year 3722, in Hexadecimal 7D2.
Some of us used to quite commonly enter utterly raw machine code or data on a ten key pad. It is very easy, if you have good ten-key skills, to enter 12 bit "words" in octal.
If you have a minute, look at some 8080 family machine language in octal. You will notice the basic 8080 instruction format is centered on 3 bit fields!
You just can't have informal on-line conversations with friends if everything is recorded.
Google's latest release of old usenet postings had me laughing and hooting like a crazy ape. 1984 was a hell of a year for me. I was a quarter century old, and still a damned idiot.
Don't walk around with a stick up your butt... I just don't care who is listening in anymore.
The government no longer thinks of you as a harmless "consumer" when the nice young men in the nondescript white car drive up to your house in the middle of the night and steal your garbage.
This AC is right. In many places the only kinds of teachers who survive are the very gifted teachers who have somehow learned to get around the bureacracy and bad working conditions, and the mean stingy ones who have managed to build fortresses around themselves.
Few professionals seem so sad to me as the burned out unapproachable fifty-something high school math teachers who work entirely out of the textbook and look like they are counting the days to retirement...
If you read this AC I'd be interested hearing your opinion about your short teaching career. (I taught for a year in Los Angeles...) Feel free to email me, mioceneman, I'm at yahoo.com.
Filter this: "Sarah has a lovely garden. We spend hours every weekend gardening. Last weekend we took some pictures with my new digital camera, and posted them on our web page. Her melons are especially nice."
This is what advertisements for porn will start to look like if widespread filtering is implemented.
Oh dear, I used the word "widespread." Do you suppose they have a picture of that?
LED Christmas lights would be perfect. I put up lots of Christmas lights, and every year my kids egg me on to put up more. Every year I curse the broken strings. Reliable LED Christmas lights would save me a lot of time, and probably lower my electric bill.
No patents for you Big Guys, it was posted here on Slashdot first...
Don't pay mind to the _Bell Curve_ people and their angry replies. Yeah, yeah, the math may or may not be right, but so what? You must treat every person on this earth as an INDIVIDUAL, so why the heck would these statistics ever matter unless you were already a racist?
I've got two young kids. No cable, no satellite television, and still perfectly happy. I do have "rabbit ears" for news in case there's an earthquake or war or something. My kids are allowed to use the internet only when I'm in the room with them.
I would have sent e-mail to you, but none is listed, thus this reply.
If anyone complains about my spelling, or something equally trivial, I will smack their knuckles with a ruler!:-)
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There are about as many ways Black Box Voting can mess up this test as there are ways to cheat elections that use these easily programmed voting machines and tabulators.
Computers are machines which we use to manipulate data. Votes are not the kind of data we want manipulated. End of case, electronic voting machines are a bad idea.
The "paper trail" some of these machines produce is not the ballot that is actually counted, it is an auditing tool. In California only 1% of these paper votes will be compared to the electronic vote. Unless the audit is very carefully designed, and some very stringent security measures enforced, there will be many opportunites to cheat, since 99% of the electronic votes will not be compared to the paper votes. Paper trails and electronic votes are much easier to mess with than boxes and boxes of voter verified paper ballots. People tend to notice when large bulky ballot boxes are being messed with, but nobody can see what's happening to their votes inside a memory cartridge.
The problem with all e-voting is that unsophisticated election officials, observers, and the voting public in general, are not able to judge the veracity of the auditing system with their own eyes. Electronic votes can't be seen or counted like marks on paper can.
I can see only one reason to use sophisticated electronic voting machines, and that is to assist voters who are not able to read or mark a conventional paper ballot. These voters would be well served by machines that read and mark ballots identical to those that other voters are using.
One or two of these machines at each polling place could be set aside for priority use by voters who need them. The privacy of their vote would be assured by letting others use these machines as they are otherwise available.
The greatest advantage of paper ballots is that they can always be counted by hand if their are any concerns at all about the electronic count.
That's what these machines are good for, and I'm afraid that's why some election officials are defending them. The fact that "electronic" votes can't be audited or recounted is another "feature."
These electronic voting machines are a dream come true for those who want to subvert democracy.
"Most people will tolerate modem speeds, and those that won't are mostly pretty happy with DSL or cable."
Hmmm... the telephone company and cable television companies where I live are hated by most everyone.
Three-quarters of my neighbors have dumped cable television for satellite, and many of them do not have regular phone service at all, they use their cell phones for everything. The internet is something they use at work or school.
I don't expect we will be getting high speed internet access here soon, at least not from the phone or cable monopolies.
My wife is a doctor. She has many patients who ask for her advice and then ignore it. Some of them die.
If trivial things like people doing stupid things with computers is chapping your ass, well then, that's your own fault.
Laugh a bit... It's just a computer. Some mornings I get up and I just can't wait to see what amazingly stupid things people are doing with computers.
Slashdot tends to be one of them...
Heh.
12 bits makes four octal numerals.
In decimal you might type for example year 2002. In Octal that would type year 3722, in Hexadecimal 7D2.
Some of us used to quite commonly enter utterly raw machine code or data on a ten key pad. It is very easy, if you have good ten-key skills, to enter 12 bit "words" in octal.
If you have a minute, look at some 8080 family machine language in octal. You will notice the basic 8080 instruction format is centered on 3 bit fields!
Heh, slashdot as always...
Short answer: Octal Numbers
If you are used to working on a ten key pad, octal numbers are much easier to enter than hexadecimal or anything else.
It's just cool...
God loves rapidly moving humans less, because they die more often.
And dead people don't move. There is a heaven!
What are you trying to say?
You just can't have informal on-line conversations with friends if everything is recorded.
Google's latest release of old usenet postings had me laughing and hooting like a crazy ape. 1984 was a hell of a year for me. I was a quarter century old, and still a damned idiot.
Don't walk around with a stick up your butt... I just don't care who is listening in anymore.
Oh yes, I am a crazy ape.
Iridium. Flowers. When will we ever learn?
The government no longer thinks of you as a harmless "consumer" when the nice young men in the nondescript white car drive up to your house in the middle of the night and steal your garbage.
No, mom says, don't trust the government.
This AC is right. In many places the only kinds of teachers who survive are the very gifted teachers who have somehow learned to get around the bureacracy and bad working conditions, and the mean stingy ones who have managed to build fortresses around themselves.
Few professionals seem so sad to me as the burned out unapproachable fifty-something high school math teachers who work entirely out of the textbook and look like they are counting the days to retirement...
If you read this AC I'd be interested hearing your opinion about your short teaching career. (I taught for a year in Los Angeles...) Feel free to email me, mioceneman, I'm at yahoo.com.
An old calculator, the Friden EC-130 used sound traveling down a wire as memory. You can read about it at http://www.geocities.com/oldcalculators/friden130. html.
It is a wonderfully convoluted machine.
Is this a troll?
Filter this: "Sarah has a lovely garden. We spend hours every weekend gardening. Last weekend we took some pictures with my new digital camera, and posted them on our web page. Her melons are especially nice."
This is what advertisements for porn will start to look like if widespread filtering is implemented.
Oh dear, I used the word "widespread." Do you suppose they have a picture of that?
LED Christmas lights would be perfect. I put up lots of Christmas lights, and every year my kids egg me on to put up more. Every year I curse the broken strings. Reliable LED Christmas lights would save me a lot of time, and probably lower my electric bill.
No patents for you Big Guys, it was posted here on Slashdot first...
Congratulations! Best wishes to the new couple.
:-)
Don't pay mind to the _Bell Curve_ people and their angry replies. Yeah, yeah, the math may or may not be right, but so what? You must treat every person on this earth as an INDIVIDUAL, so why the heck would these statistics ever matter unless you were already a racist?
I've got two young kids. No cable, no satellite television, and still perfectly happy. I do have "rabbit ears" for news in case there's an earthquake or war or something. My kids are allowed to use the internet only when I'm in the room with them.
I would have sent e-mail to you, but none is listed, thus this reply.
If anyone complains about my spelling, or something equally trivial, I will smack their knuckles with a ruler!
mioceneman -at- yahoo dot etc.