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Apple Deals with Devil, Communists
rschroeder writes "I keep thinking that this article can't be real, but it looks like it. Among the juicier bits: 'The real operating system hiding under the newest version of the Macintosh operating system (Mac OS X) is called... Darwin! That's right, new Macs are based on Darwinism! While they currently don't advertise this fact to consumers, it is well known among the computer elite, who are mostly Atheists and Pagans. Furthermore, the Darwin OS is released under an 'Open Source' license, which is just another name for Communism.'" Yes, of course. And I am still waiting for Jesux to be released.
That's really it. It's a hoax, and a decent joke at that but it doesn't take much to see that.
Makes me wonder if they have Theomathematics, Theochemistry, Theophysics and Theoengineering as well.
JET Program: see Japan, meet intere
Open Source and Free Software are heavily based in the ideals of anarchism and communism, and many of us are athiest or agnostic.
I don't have a problem with this, but _they_ do. This isn't really that funny. It's a clash between the age of pisces and the age of aquarius, much like a similiar clash 2000 years ago, and one 2000 years before that...
Don't take them too seriously, but don't discard them as complete nuts, either. These people are holding views which were sacred to a much wider community in the past. 2000 years from now (if anyone's still around), this will happen again, and _our_ views will be the silly ones.
Objective Landover Baptist Shutdown aims to get religious parody (?) site Landover Baptist shut down, removed from the internet, basically because they disagree with their message... very little to no legal ground to stand on. They're just trying to use tactics like contacting the hosting ISP and talking to WIPO to reach their goals. They apparently don't even pretend to grasp the first amendment.
The site members.truepath.com is running Apache/1.3.22 (Unix) mod_perl/1.26 PHP/4.0.6 on Linux.
That is all.
Intercarve Networks, LLC
Visit the Landover Baptist Church webpage for more fun, logical christian humor.
while he's at it why don't he just label Apple as terrorists? Is this thing for real or is it April fools day again?
Are we now going to be posting stories every time a Nazi claims the holocast didn't happen?
Leave this crud alone.
Post real stories Slashdot...please!
You know if one is going to spout off this kind of tripe they should at least get the facts straigt. And how in the hell would good christans know about all this devil stuff anyway?
This reminds me of the article for concerend parents that said linux is a hacking porgram.
Americans could not be more self absorbed if they were made of equal parts water and paper towel. -Dennis Miller
This fucking bastard has pissed me off for the last time!!! Everyone DoS this motherfucker:
64.28.67.150
Thank you. A shiny new penny for the first to knock his flimsy little PII offline!!
My favorite part... "Consider the name of the company and its logo: an apple with a bite taken out of it. This is clearly a reference to the Fall, when Adam and Eve were tempted with an apple by the serpent. It is now Apple Computers offering us temptation, thereby aligning themselves with the forces of darkness." So it's a reference to the tree of knowledge, knowing the difference between good and evil.. thereby having a choice.. what's so wrong withe that?
A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
Actually, "theomathematics" have been around in numerous religions for millenia, though it's usually called arithmosophy.
Guys, this is a spoof. There is no "Fellowship University" do a google search on it for cryin' out loud!
I'm a evangelical pastor. I think Jesus is the only way, I'm also a geek who thinks that the darwin kernel is a wonderful thing. Even spoofs like this make me nervous, because people actually think that evangelicals are taught to think like this (well, they are if they listen to christian radio, I tell my congregation to watch the simpsons instead...).
It has one valid point though....chmod 666 can be an evil command, depending on the file your sicking it on! :-)
Here you go - from http://members.truepath.com/objective/propaganda.h tml
Apple Macintosh:
Hypnotically encased iMacs trick unsuspecting computer users into accepting Darwinism
However, these propagandists aren't just targeting the young. Take for example Apple Computers, makers of the popular Macintosh line of computers. The real operating system hiding under the newest version of the Macintosh operating system (MacOS X) is called... Darwin! That's right, new Macs are based on Darwinism! While they currently don't advertise this fact to consumers, it is well known among the computer elite, who are mostly Atheists and Pagans. Furthermore, the Darwin OS is released under an "Open Source" license, which is just another name for Communism. They try to hide all of this under a facade of shiny, "lickable" buttons, but the truth has finally come out: Apple Computers promote Godless Darwinism and Communism. But is this really such a shock? Lets look for a moment at Apple Computers. Founded by long haired hippies, this company has consistently supported 60's counter-cultural "values". But there are even darker undertones to this company than most are aware of. Consider the name of the company and its logo: an apple with a bite taken out of it. This is clearly a reference to the Fall, when Adam and Eve were tempted with an apple2 by the serpent. It is now Apple Computers offering us temptation, thereby aligning themselves with the forces of darkness3. This company is well known for its cult-like following. It isn't much of a stretch to say that it is a cult. Consider co-founder and leader Steve Jobs' constant exhortation through advertising (i.e. mind control) that its followers should "think different". We have to ask ourselves: "think different than whom or what?" The disturbing answer is that they want us to think different than our Christian upbringing, to reject all the values that we have been taught and to heed not the message of the Lord Jesus Christ! Given the now obvious anti-Christian and cultish nature of Apple Computers, is it any wonder that they have decided to base their newest operating system on Darwinism? This just reaffirms the position that Darwinism is an inherently anti-Christian philosophy spread through propaganda and subliminal trickery, not a science as its brainwashed followers would have us believe.
ADDENDUM: It has been brought to my attention that the Darwin OS mentioned above now has a cartoon mascot (no doubt to influence children) named Hexley (pictured above) -- a platypus dressed as a devil who performs occult magic, i.e. hexes. They're not doing a very good job keeping their ties to the forces of darkness a secret, are they?
ADDENDUM II (4/20/2002): A reader has also brought to my attention that the aforementioned Atheist and anti-Christian Evolutionist Richard Dawkins -- who likes to compare religion to a virus -- has used Apple's Macintosh computers since they were introduced. In fact, his infamous anti-Creation polemic The Blind Watchmaker relied heavily on an argument based on software that he wrote using a Mac. He purported to have proved Evolutionism by making his Macintosh draw little squiggles -- or "biomorphs" as he called them -- that changed over "generations". (This of course begs the question: if it took a created machine running created software to make these squiggles, how then does that refute Creation?)
Illustration of Macintosh generated "biomorphs" from The Blind Watchmaker. Here Dawkins shows us how to turn a cross into a swastika using Evolutionism. While I initially suspected that the Apple connection here was mere coincidence, I dug deeper into the issue -- luckily, we at Fellowship Baptist have an extensive research library that also includes a representative collection of anti-Christian hate literature which we use for just this sort of investigation -- and was shocked at what I found. In the 1996 edition of his book, Dawkins includes two appendices detailing his little program. The first (included in the original 1986 edition) is entitled "Blind Watchmaker: An Application for the Apple Macintosh Computer". The first illustration on the same page as the title shows a Mac window (similar to the Explorer windows seen in Microsoft's OS) and the rest of the appendix includes many screen shots from a Mac, a number of them even featuring the bitten apple logo. It gets even more perverse in the second appendix (added material from 1991) entitled "Computer Programs and 'the Evolution of Evolvability'" (infinite recursion like this is a sure sign of a flaw in a theory). Here he shows how he "evolved" the "inspired artefact with which all this work was done"... the word "Macintosh"! Illustration from the 1996 edition of The Blind Watchmaker. At the end of the appendix he even encourages the reader to switch from IBM compatible computers to Macintoshes, saying that "you can exult in something of the feeling of liberation that may have attended evolution's great watershed events." What a ringing endorsement for Apple computers that is! As you can see, The problem is much worse than we had originally thought as Apple has been aiding and abetting ardent Evolutionists like Dawkins since at least the mid 1980's.
ADDENDUM III (4/20/2002): Another reader (it has been busy today!) has informed me of another link between Apple and the forces of darkness that my initial research missed. Apparently the Darwin OS is not the original creation of Apple Computers but is instead based off of an older, obsolete OS called "BSD Unix". The child-indoctrinatingly-cute cartoon mascot of this OS is a devil holding a pitchfork (pictured above). This OS -- and its Darwin offspring -- extensively use what are called "daemons" (which is how Pagans write "demon" -- they are notoriously poor spellers: magick, vampyre, etc.) which is a program that hides in the background, doing things without the user's notice. If you are using a new Macintosh running OS X then you probably have these "daemons" on your computer, hardly something a good Christian would want! This clearly illustrates that not only is Macintosh based on Darwinism, but Darwinism is based on Satanism.
ADDENDUM IV (4/21/2002): Apparently anti-Christian zealots -- as well as shocked Christians who have unwittingly become Mac owners -- are linking to this article, which explains the large number of emails we have received on this topic. More clues have come in showing the dark nature of Apple Computers. According to one of our readers, the new MacOS X contains another Satanic holdover from the "BSD Unix" OS mentioned above; to open up certain locked files one has to run a program much like the DOS prompt in Microsoft Windows and type in a secret code: "chmod 666". What other horrors lurk in this thing?
Footnotes:
The first personal computer sold by Apple was priced by Steve Jobs and his hippy friend Steve Wozniak at $666. Need we say more? [ADDENDUM (4/21/2002): Some readers have been asking for evidence of this. Here is from the October 1976 issue of Interface Age magazine.] In recent years they have tried to distant themselves from their more militantly anti-Christian past, however it is clear that this is a public relations move, not a change of heart.
Really- people should read the article. It's rolling on the floor funny. It must be a hoax though. No one could be this funny without it being on purpose.
My favorite quote: (right near the bottom)
ADDENDUM IV (4/21/2002): Apparently anti-Christian zealots -- as well as shocked Christians who have unwittingly become Mac owners -- are linking to this article, which explains the large number of emails we have received on this topic. More clues have come in showing the dark nature of Apple Computers. According to one of our readers, the new MacOS X contains another Satanic holdover from the "BSD Unix" OS mentioned above; to open up certain locked files one has to run a program much like the DOS prompt in Microsoft Windows and type in a secret code: "chmod 666". What other horrors lurk in this thing?
If things had been different fifteen years ago, and apple had become the defacto pc standard, the people on this fourum would like the article. Yes, it is obsurd, but if the subject of the article was microsoft, it would be a good read. Now the real point; all corperations suck.
Actually, Apple did have a well-publicized dealing with the Church of Satan. They had a "Made with Macintosh" logo on their homepage, and they had a b/w pic of their founder with "Think DIfferent" next to him. The kicker? They were (obviously) against those things. They demanded the removal of such things. The CoSatan, being the dissenters they are, naturally didn't remove them.
Actually, the Church of Satan, so far as I know, actually *does* (or at least used to) run on Apples. They even used to proudly advertise the fact on their web site with a parody of Apple's "Think Different" campaign featuring Anton LaVey (the Church's founder).
when the story I submitted was rejected -- 2002-04-22 14:56:33 Unix is truly the dark side (articles,humor) (rejected) -- and posted all in the same day.
;-)
I'm off to chmod 666 some files and increase the minions of the dark side.
"All the darkness in the world can not quench the light of one small candle."
This OS -- and its Darwin offspring -- extensively use what are called "daemons" (which is how Pagans write "demon" -- they are notoriously poor spellers: magick, vampyre, etc.) which is a program that hides in the background, doing things without the user's notice. If you are using a new Macintosh running OS X then you probably have these "daemons" on your computer, hardly something a good Christian would want! This clearly illustrates that not only is Macintosh based on Darwinism, but Darwinism is based on Satanism.
Lordy, Lordy, this is so thick that you need a shovel to get rid of that high holy smell.
When looking at *any* kind of text that may or may not be slanted towards or away from any given viewpoint, please keep a look out for the world 'Clearly'. It usually indicates that the author is expecting the reader to make a logic jump that might otherwise not be warranted.
Examples:
Some people who live in capitalist societies are homeless and hungry, therefore we can CLEARLY determine that capitalism is responsible for homelessness and hunger.
Some people who live in socialist societies are oppressed and have no rights. Therefore we can CLEARLY determine that socialism is equivalent to a dearth of human rights.
Religous types are especially bad about this. I am a Christian... a very liberal Christian... but for a long time I lost my faith because of a poorly produced anti-evolution video I was forced to watch in high school (in Texas). Typical contents of the video can be summarized as follows.
Because of [poorly documented and inadequately evidence] we can CLEARLY see that this discovery is a sham designed to discredit the world of our Lord...
'Clearly' gives away propoganda 9 out of 10 times.
The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and slashdot the links early!
They try to hide all of this under a facade of shiny, "lickable" buttons, but the truth has finally come out: Apple Computers promote Godless Darwinism and Communism.
I've been licking the buttons on my Dell laptop, and that's okay, but have you tasted the new IMac? Apple has again leaped way ahead in terms of user interface.
Lickable Buttons. Hmmm... I wonder if he's thinking about those candies you used to get at street-fairs and the like which were just little dots on a roll of paper. Or perhaps those weren't really candies and this is all one long, crazy trip...
Sweat
It breaks my pluginses, my precious!
That was the only phrase that need be added to that.
Looks like the pagan masses of slashdot have taken down yet another site. And I think he spelled "anti-Microsoft" wrong.
Oh, by the way, cache is here.
-Linux was for the masses, who spoke, and everything was crystal clear.
Don't forget, when it comes to poking fun at Organized Christianity©, there's nothing better than Betty!
Ce n'est pas un vrai mouvement de robot!
There are discussions about this site on MetaFilter, a MacSlash article, a very funny Fark thread, as well as mentions on Ars and Memepool.
Seems the tech subset of the Internet has been well and truly trolled, if indeed this is a hoax, which I am inclined to believe, given that all of the banner ads on the site seem to lead to the same domain.
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Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum.
Truepath for those that haven't checked it out, is indeed a christian-themed hosting service. Now obviously someone may have used that to their advantage to do a hoax, but remember.... there are plenty of fundamentalists that say that magic the gathering, martial arts and star wars are satanic too. I remember seeing something on CBN saying that the Phantom Menace was anti-christian because anakin skywalker was called the "chosen one" and only Jesus can be the chosen one. And of course, the day you can show me a fundamentalist that knows any appreciable amount of information about any scientific discipline is the day that sufficient evidence to prove macroevolution beyond any shadow of a doubt will happen.
Laugh. There are probably more examples, I didn't have time to check.
It's a hoax, a very clever one, but a hoax nonetheless.
As a Brit in America, I suspect my non-American friends are reading this entire thread bemused. "Well, of course it's an effing hoax!" they're exclaiming. "It's too over the top! You Americans are {...}"
Response: Nope. There really are people like that around here, especially in the South and the mid-West. Even many "moderate" Christians see concepts like evolution as major threats to their beliefs and are actively trying to remove it from public education (sometimes successfully.) And moderate Christians do sometimes seem to form the minority of Christians in this God-forsaken country...
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
http://members.truepath.com/objective/propaganda.h tml
Says it all, doesn't it?
I think their feeling it now.... time outs, high ping times. These must be the working of the devil and his evil minions. Muahahahahahha Muahahahaha
The following is translated -almost- verbatim from an Onion book i have at home.
Is science being taught in our schools?
Asks the great news-paper "The Onion", instument of the rich, pacifier of the poor, americas finest news source, on its July 20, 1925 front page. "Scopes monkey trial raises troubling question:
IS SCIENCE BEING TAUGHT IN OUR SCHOOLS?
Should children be exposed to facts? are reason and empirical evidence suitable school subjects?"
Clearly the answer to thes questions is no, as a man who holds that the welfare of the country takes precedence over any other human concern, I must stand firmly against the teaching of Science in our schools. This Science has already caused turmoil among the god-fearing readers of Slashdot, americas second finest, and most accurate, news source These peoples had no wish to know that they, as human creatures, may have descended from apes. What if Science were to champion other truths, provable and real, which people do not want to hear? For example, god forbid, what if Linux were proven by Science, to be superior to any version of Windows? The peoples reaction would cause division and conflict in our nation, nay, in our world, that would doubtless outweigh any benefits of the actual Scientific discovery. Should we teach our children facts? No, I say, a thousand time no! As they grow into tomorrows farmers, housewives, mill workers, and microsoft executives, facts are the last things they will need. Manners, subservience, above all, obedience! To speak only when spoken to, to standardize on one platform, and to not cause trouble! These are the principles upon which our educational system was founded. Why in the name of god should we replace it with a system that actually encourages the ignorant man to ask questions? A good citizen does nothing of the sort. He is content with the reasons he is given by his betters.
Humanitys noblest heroes were not men who cared about facts. They were men who stood up for what they believed in, to hell with facts! To hell with any truth not their own! Our most cherished heroes would fight to the death, bludgeoning their enemies repeatedly, wholly uninterested in whether they were right or wrong. Once something is accepted as true, it should be true forever. This noble ideal, with its emphasis on unquestioning acceptance and obedience to authority, is what we should teach our children. It is the rock upon which we have built our government, our religion, and our American way of life, and it is the very ideal that science seeks to thwart with its new "discoveries" and impersonal ledgers of "facts".
Learning! Why should we provide our citizens with learning? Does learning mathematics aid a man who will spend the rest of his life smelting iron in a foundry? Does knowing that man comes from apes, if he indeed does, which seems to be the subject of some debate, change the lot of the farmwife who spends her years shuttling barefoot between the birthing-bed and the milking-stool, as is proper? I say it does not. Furthermore, it fills the brains of children with useless facts which does not help them become better American Citizens. Does a fact have any inherent moral value? Does Science? We know that science allowed the Germans to develop the mustard gas,the motor-gun, and techno music. Has religion ever been used in such a fashion? With the exception of the holy hand grenade of antioch, no.
Is it possible that we, with our motorcars, and aero-planes, powered by our internal-combustion engines, have already started us down a slippery slope of our destruction. We were not content to stay with time honored steam, to travel in our dignified trains and coach-and-fours, but we can take action now, before ape worshipping scientists turn us one against the other. We must cease our march of progress now, and there is no better way to achieve this than to keep the hellborn demon Science, and his diabolical Facts, from coming into contact with our children.
Apparently the Darwin OS is not the original creation of Apple Computers but is instead based off of an older, obsolete OS called "BSD Unix".
Grrrrrr!!!!!!!!
This is "All True"*. It all started with the insidious darwinist plot using the fluoridation of the drinkng water supply, thereby contaminating our precious bodily fluids. This is just one of many plots master minded by the...I've already said too much....
* All True actually meant to serve as placeholder for complete and utter bullshit
And I am still waiting for Jesux to be released.
There is no hope. Evil reins when it comes to operating systems.
There's Atheos, the FreeBSD devil, Darwin, as mentioned in the article, and Microsoft Windows.
Not articles. Besides, did you see the footnotes?
First nitpick: Actually, holyrollers that pretend to be true bible scholars annoy me. It wasn't a fig either, but rather a pomengranate.
Second nitpick: The Woz chose that price as a joke. It was $666.66, not "666". Is the number of the beast 2/3's rounded off to the nearest cent? I suppose all electronic calculators are also satanic, since dividing 2 by 3 gives you the same thing. I guess that holyrolling is so boring though, even they have to dabble in numerology.
And finally, I have to wonder if M$ isn't somehow involved with this. Maybe small cash donations to this guys church? There's something there, I'm sure.
My favorite is the profile of contributor "Diamond" Jack Holgroth:
"Diamond" Jack Holgroth is a Game Theoretician who currently teaches a course in Advanced Game Theory for Theologians at Fellowship University. He served our country during the Cold War as a Game Theory Tactician for the Department of Defense and single-handedly developed an elegant solution to the "Fisherman's Quandary", a game theory problem that was crucial to the winning of the arms race and that was famously intractable - until Diamond Jack came along.
Very clever, but also quite clearly a joke.
Oh really? Christian rock exists - I listen to it, as do many other people. A few bands, some of which have gone mainstream:
POD
Jars of Clay
DC Talk
Third Day
Petra (Older)
Precious Death
Michael W Smith (Well, he's contemporary, but still)
And many, many more. Oh, and I don't listen to all of these, but DC Talk has been one of my favorite bands for many years.
http://www.ironycentral.com/archives/theoexam.html
.9c. In Joe's rest frame, how much does God now love Bob? "
"1. (20 pts.) Bob and Joe are standing on a street corner. God loves each an equal amount L. Bob then accelerates to
Then why have they had so much trouble turning a profit. If they made a deal with the devil then MS should be crushed by now... Or is the Apple/Satan conglomerate held at bay by all of those god-faring christians that use MS?
Malda you're a fucking idiot.
Stop hiding behind your pathetic excuses and start caching the fucking content of people that cant afford to handle your distributed denial of service attack.
check out no innocent victim http://www.victoryrecords.com
I didn't say it didn't exist. I said some of the more extreme baptists wouldn't listen to it.
For the record I've listened to most of the bands youve listed.
And I made the mistake of letting the wrong people know that with rather entertaining results.
Clearly the good Lawd had goofed in not illuminating the good Pastor with this site:
http://www.egomania.nu/gates.html
Ok, it's pretty obvious that this is a troll article. But the real stuff (like stuff that people actually believe in and do for their life) is even funnier. Perfect example, the "The Truth For Youth" series of comic books/propaganda pamphlets. Everything ranging from pr0n and how it makes you an abusive addict to how homosexuals are evil to how obviously all rock music is satanic and finally the funniest one, "peer pressure", the freaking life story of the guy making these pamphlets and how he was a doped up pusher. It gets even greater when you move on to the guy's personal site. Great information such as how this guy's bible is now used as a text book in Russian schools (wtf?!).
bah...and people wonder why I'm agnostic/atheist
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What you say??? Clearly you are a heathen and must rot in hell.
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
As we all know, Linux makes extensive use of daemons for running background processes, something the True Path "gentleman" was critical of OSX and BSD for. And, these daemons will fork off and reproduce in a rather Darwinesque way.
Shouldn't we let this person know that his Christian site is infested by foul, evolutionary daemons?
There's so little difference between politics and jihad lately...
Actually, this makes sense. The iMacs have shown great variation, with models of different colors and shapes. Not all of the colors were popular, or suited to their retail environment. Others were more naturally selected for their hues, and these survived. However, some kind of natural catastrophe must have occurred in January, causing all the old iMacs to die out. This cleared the path for another household appliance, the lamp, to make the evolutionary leap to be able to take its place. On the other hand, this kind of sudden jump is ironically more indicative of a higher power having some kind of direct influence. This is likely going to be pointed at as conclusive evidence by many Apple fanatics that Steve Jobs is in fact God, however, I feel that much more research is warranted at this time.
What the heck is up with this place. This place is turning into a haven for non-news.
A few days ago we had a post about the JPEG format.. wow, like we didn't know about that already! Now we have this piece of crappy non-news that isn't even funny.
Did the dot com crash make all the real news dry up? The last decent story was about a Web server on a Gameboy Advance, and even that's scraping the barrel. Let JonKatz make all the posts from now on, at least there'll be some fun debates on what a moron he is.
I dunno how many deals with the guy down below are the reason but Macs are really using some hard-to-explain (devilish?) ways in luring us longtime x86 people to their (dark?) side.
Seriously, it's weird. It seems like in the past year or two, they're using some kind of alien influence to eat off the creativity of pc manufacturers and meanwhile quietly putting a few new nice new functions to their products every now and then.
If one were to love conspiracy theories, they might note that for example PC notebooks are "boring" nowadays, so very little new things, more new problems than new things. Then I ended up (work of aliens/the devil/something, but I love to blame) browsing apple's web pages. Or maybe pc notebooks are not boring, but we're only forced to see them like that... maybe we have tiny G4's screwed in our heads... maybe they got to us through a new kind of virus on irc... maybe...
so finally someone unconvered their true methods. Let these people be our new gods!
In any case, I'd say this page is pretty obviously satire.
Thus far, the first episode (called "Darwin's Dangerous Idea" -- at least they are honest in the title) was a melodramatization of Charles Darwin's life. Darwin is portrayed as a sympathetic character who is attacked by ignorant Christians for his "revolutionary thought"
This is just so good it has to be fattening. Attacked by Ignorant Christians you say? Here is one that will really keep you up at night, the earth is round, we are not the center of the universe, and this kind of stuff doesn't help your worthless cause of ignorance and closed mindedness. (thank God, [pun intended]).
This Wiki Feeds You TV and Anime - vidwiki.org
*glances at his freebsd shirt*
Here is the link from the register, so it must be true.
here is the article
You'd have to be a serious tool to think this site is real. The more intuitive among us will notice that they got far too many facts straight to be real...
There is something I've been thinking about for a while. I wonder what kind of reaction people (friends and parents mostly) have when I start talking about why Linux is a better choice than Windows. Like I read the site, and nearlly collasped laughing. It was so ridiculous, "chmod 666" to unlock files?! But the people writing that honestly believe that. The same goes for the folks who normally read it. On slashdot, a lot of great points for Open source and free software get made, but does the outside observer take it seriously? Does the concept of using an operating system programmed by a loose coalition of geeks with spare time sound hilarious to them? I know I've gotten a few weird stares, and not just from windows users. I get them from solaris users too. I guess this might have been more of an issue before companies like IBM got involved, but I wouldn't be surprised if it still existed.
More on topic, I think I came across this site a few years ago when they posted something about halloween or homosexuals, can't remember which. Might have been homosexuals since I remember something about 100 sex partners, but that could apply to the girls in the devil costumes too, I guess.
"To save the planet, I had to go to the worst spot on Earth, and that was Philadelphia." -- Sun Ra
Refuting a troll attempting to trick people into DOSing Slashdot certainly isn't offtopic. The moderators must be sniffing glue tonight....
Slightly offtopic, but no less interesting:
Pagans added the 'k' to "magic" so people could distinguish pagan religious practices(magick) and stage tricks(magic).
Patrick Cable II
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The same people who brought you CAP Alert! Anyone think Microsoft is starting to help fund the Religious Right against the evil "devilry" of *NIX and Macs?
Not all of us are atheists or agnostic. I mean, just because some dorkr goes and writes something like this about computer software doesn't mean that we should now all gang up on those faithful to a particular religion. I mean, what are we coming to when we who fight so much for civil liberty then go and turn our noses against anyone with any religion?
More importantly, don't take this guy as an example of all Christianity because that's just not true. We must seek the truth, and just because some of us don't see truth in the same places doesn't mean the others are wrong. This applies to all parties.
Its non-hebrew name is Windows XP
668 - the Neighbour of the Beast
This is blashpemy - you have offended the creator! Repent now and refer to it from this day forth as GNU/Jesux lest you incur the wrath of the creator (i.e., RMS).
Join the T(H)GT(H)GSBB from the 21st of April to the 28th of April. Thank you.
keep it simple.
It hasn't been a problem in California, but twice I was accused of being a devil worshipper while wearing my FreeBSD polo shirt in Texas.
Noo... you see, it's an "operating system". There's these "processes" that run in the "background" and the little demon is just a mascot, sort of like... fuck it... you got me, it's Satan.
Well, one way to force feed propaganda to the peons is to make them feel like everyone will think they are fscking stupid if they do not come to that conclusion themselves. Brainwashing using percieved peer pressure, works like a charm(*points to highschool again*).
Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.
I have long suspected that Steve Jobs is in fact the Devil! You guys where all worried about Bill Gates, but he's pretty pathetic compared to Steve.
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You want more proof
The Devil is supposed to be good at tempting you right? But Windows isn't tempting. Take a look at a PC running Windows? It's not tempting, it's just an ugly beige box with a boring UI. You look at the damn thing and are instantly bored.
But, look at an iMac or better yet a G4 Tower with 21" Studio Display and don't just want to lick the buttons, you want to make love to the damn thing, you want to sacrifice small animals before it and commit unholy acts on it!!! Chr*st, even Micro$oft software looks sexy on it! And have you seen the iPod? Don't let me get started on what I want to do with the iPod
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Actually, I just wish that the server wasn't slashdotted so I could check out the link to BibleMan Action Figures at the bottom of the page
Didn't one of the guys in DC Talk get his girlfriend pregnant? I thought that was kind of funny...
I hope this is somebody's April 1 joke, a few weeks late. If it's not, then that webpage is just really sad. Please be a joke, and not someone's stupendous stupidity manifesting itself most depressingly.
My other sig is also a
This is just another one of those articles written by unnoficial members of the Grumpy Old Men From Texas Club. As a theology student, and a MacOS X user, I find Dr. Paley's article quite lamentable. Not only has he utterly failed to disprove any modern myths, he has made a complete fool of himself and Fellowship University. He will never hear the end of the torrent of criticism from both his academic and ecclesiastical peers.
If any slashdotters are unfamiliar with Theology, then please don't let this man give you a poor first impression. If he were to read this article aloud in front of an assembly of people with accredited degrees, he might very well be laughed out of the auditorium.
This OS -- and its Darwin offspring -- extensively use what are called "daemons" (which is how Pagans write "demon" -- they are notoriously poor spellers: magick, vampyre, etc.)... hmmm, evidently these people, hoaxers or otherwise, overlooked the fact that daemon, a word used in the bible, means "helper"...
He calls apple users a cult - I suppose its a good thing there aren't too many amiga users around anymore.
So you're saying that this isn't a hoax? Yikes!
XML causes global warming.
Even if you believe in creationism (not a subject I want to even try tackling here), you should be able to spot the blatant flaws in this guys argument. If it were up to this guy, we would still be in the dark ages, dying of the plague.
Anyone who leads people around with such blatantly false arguments should be forced to have a full frontal lobotomy, after all, he doesn't seem to be using that fore-brain anyway...
Found this over at the OpenBSD (Open to Bondage, Satanism and Domination) site:
http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.htmlGave me a pretty good chuckle. Fortunately I think that server can stand to be slashdotted.
First nitpick: Actually, holyrollers that pretend to be true bible scholars annoy me. It wasn't a fig either, but rather a pomengranate.
Says who?
As far as I am aware, the bible doesn't say what kind of fruit it was whatsoever, and scholars have debated that it could have been a fig, apple, pomegranate, etrog, carob, palm, nut tree, grapevine, wheat stalk, etc.
In fact, some dare to suggest that there was no actual tree at all, but that the story of the Garden of Eden is mythological!
"Christians see concepts like evolution as major threats to their beliefs and are actively trying to remove it from public education"
I can personally attest to this. As a high school student in rural(very) Mississippi I loved it when my Biology "teachers" came to the point where we were to learn about evolution. The lessons were always preceeded with statements like, "Now, I'm not saying I believe this, or that it's at all true, but according to the state I have to teach it to you, it's up to you if you want to listen or not." I would sit astounded as half the class objected to a very fundamental concept by sleeping through the class because Brother so and so told them that, "he ain't evolve from no gosh darn ape."
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There really are people like that around here, especially in the South and the mid-West. Even many "moderate" Christians see concepts like evolution as major threats to their beliefs and are actively trying to remove it from public education (sometimes successfully.) And moderate Christians do sometimes seem to form the minority of Christians in this God-forsaken country...
I had a neighbor like this. We had a discussion of sorts when day when I found out that she wouldn't let her children use computers -- even at school. As she explained, the logical end for all computer progress is 'artificial intelligence' which is of course just another way of saying 'a living being not created by God' -- and therefore of the devil's minions. She further said that because of computers, the theory of evolution had been proven false, because it demonstrated that intelligent beings -- even soulless, simple ones -- must be created (i.e. evil men create computers, they didn't 'evolve' on their own). Thus, she said, the computers were the seed of the devils minions for armageddon, and smart cards, pet and child ID chips, etc. were the 'mark of satan' that is apparently spoken about somewhere in the bible. (?) The fact that computers were created by 'scientists' was also evidence to her, since it was 'scientists' who came up with what she called the 'lie of evolution' in the first place, presumably to put us all off the scent while they helped to build said devilish minions. 'Scientists' are, as she explained, fundamentally in the business of trying to trick people into believing that there is no God, so as to destroy their salvation and leave them no choice but to work for Satan in the final battle.
Apparently, it all made a kind of sense to her, and the long and short of it was that she had filed some sort of form at the public school which then excused her children from using the computers, Internet, etc. She had also arranged to have them excluded from discussions of biology and evolution, on grounds that it was all a scientists' lie to destroy salvation.
Poor kids. When they grow up, they'll be fit only to be one thing: a fanatic like their mother.
I loved her so much. I would cry every night when I went home because I was happier than I had ever been in my life and I could not bear the 10 hours I had to sleep before I could be near her again. And then one day she called me when I was at school and she told me that she wanted to meet other people and that her friends thought that was best too. How can a person who loved you for so long not love you anymore? And how can the other person, who always love that person, go on without them? The blood is rushing fast now, and it is so beautful, like her...
What's wrong with communism? and atheism? and paganism? (looks like no one said anything about this..)and what's wrong with anarchism? they're points of view, just that (well, paganism is a relgion -- a beatiful one -- but u get the picture) (hehe, i made a new account just to reply this =D )
I call Apple users a cunt - I suppose it is a bad thing there aren't more exposed cunts around anymore.
... actually, sucking on it again, this cock is way down my throat. It is beyond long. It is a skyscraper. Porn star cocks aren't this long. Nobody could keep from gagging while sucking this. Is it supposed to be attractive or what?
Organize or be destroyed. Anarchy is only for the weekends
"It's so convenient to have a system where everyone is a criminal" - A. Hitler
Funny. I didn't know that the Path to God could be revealed through pop-ups. Aren't pop-ups evil?
The whole aim of this rhetoric is to capture
the minds of the less intelligent. By creating
the greatest conspiracy the world has ever known,
these batty headed buffoons hope to spawn an ever-
growing network of zealots across the US.
To believe in creationism is to abandon modern
culture itself, so these folk are creating their
own culture within the mainstream.
It's scary to think they believe theirs will
become the dominant culture one day.
FYI: any rock band with the word "Precious" in its name is not a rock band.
I don't even care if its followed by the word "death". The word "precious" is enough to get you booted.
here is one time that the /. effect is a GOOD thing.
its still the best laugh I've had in a LONG time! Thanks to the creator of that page for filling 5 mins of my life with laughter.
on his point about the apple logo...
i heard the logo was a tribute to alan turing,
ie, the gay rainbow transposed on an (arsenic laced)
apple. anyone know if this is true
steve? are you reading this?
Behold... the author of this piece is not what he appears... watch this.
:^)
Make sure you watch long enough to catch the "daemon" running around in the background.
--Rick
--Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
You can see the parody image on the home page of The Church of Satan near the end of the page. (Don't worry, it's not that offensive.) They also tell their half of the story regarding the "Made with Macintosh" debacle.
At least the Church of Satan really uses Macs. Didn't Apple's actual "Think Different" campaign feature Ghandi, Martin Luther King, and other people who never used Apple computers?
Joing the T(H)GT(H)GISN from the 22nd of April to the 22nd of April. Thank you (and i hope you never need to right a S. note like I did... the blood is so pretty, but I am getting scared.)
I'm not sure who I dislike more; idiot people like this who don't know what their talking about bringing computers and religion together in insane ways, or the idiot athiests who look down their noses and say 'See! See what I told you. Look at how silly those closed mided Christians are!'
Darwin was a scientist. He observed phonomonea and came to a conclusion. His findings do not disprove creationism or God. All he has done has provided us with, based on observable phonomonea, the best possible understanding about the development of life on this planet.
It's innane to ignore that in the face of so much compelling evidence. At the same time, athiests take up Darwin's name as a banner with as much fervor, closed mindedness, and compleate lack of a world view as any firebranding preacher.
There is a spirtual side to the Universe. You can ignore it in the lab and get better results, but don't poo-pah people who like to keep it in mind.
The Internet is generally stupid
In practise, obviously not in name.
Members of the early church gave all their belongings to the church, which was then used to support all the members of the church.
Check out Acts (don't have the exact reference with me). For those who may not know, Acts is the book of the bible that describes what happens to Christianity straight after Jesus Leaves the Diciples. It shows how the church grew and spread through the world.
For those who know no better....realise that this is a statement of fact by the author of Acts, and in no way does it promote nor demote Communisim.
Any "preacher" who claims that Christianity supports capitalism (or communism) has no idea what the bible says (or doesn't say).
MacSlash also ran it.
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
I'll be waiting for the day when I get a Jack Chick tract telling me how all good Christians use Windows, the OS of God.
-twb
After you have gone for some time without knowing what to do, and you still love the woman you can never see again, you must set yourself free.......... I am scared, but I am so happy at the same time. I will see you in heaven, I hope, my love. :) :) I am sure I will or I would not have done this.
the blood flowing into my bathtub is so beautiful, like she was.
Uhh.. buddy maybe she left you because there was a certain time of the month THAT SHE WANTED TO TAKE HER FUCKING BATH BY HERSELF!
OK, that's crossing the line.
Now I'm scared...
-- Sometimes you have to turn the lights off in order to see.
very very informative!
'Clearly' gives away propoganda 9 out of 10 times.
I honestly don't know it's that bad, I think a lot of the time it is just another emphasis word. But it's worth pointing out that spotting propaganda takes attention and diligence. Good propaganda is crafted down to the last word, and often the flaws are easily glossed over.
One trick is that propaganda makes an emotional impact without making a discernible point. I see this trick work far too often on the elderly. Some huckster calls up grandma, says "you won" this or that, and the emotional resonance never fades to the point where she can think clearly about what this person really wants.
These tricks can be defeated if you understand how easy they really are. But none of them are obvious, which is why those of us who understand propaganda tactics should make an effort to educate people and spread the word.
Here on Slashdot it's not so much of a big deal if people get hoaxed from time to time. But when you're talking about public policy, media standards, or elected leadership, the ability to cut through the hype becomes crucial for the functioning of a democratic society.
Yesterday I was attacked by the followers of an evil heathen website, dotslash.
What they did is called a DoS, and DoS stands for Denying Our Savour. The attack is called by the followers of dotslash the 'dotslash effect'
The name of the attackers, dotslash is clearly a reference to the beast, and how it attacks.
Fear not, I lit candles on top of my monitor, and now that the fire department has put the flames of hell out, and I have finished praying, all will be well.
Desperation is a stinky cologne
In fact the server no longer accepts messages
for "drdinosaur". Oh, and isn't the username a touch ironic? (I was suggesting he rail on something more useful such as everybody's favorite whipping boy, scientology)
Were that I say, pancakes?
It's an ignorant man who gains money from other peoples' ignorance and blind faith.
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Truepath.com is a free hosting website for Christians.
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?site=truep
The funny thing is that his website runs on Linux which is yet another varient of unix (yeah yeah posix blah blah) just like that *evil* BSD.
I submitted this story this morning because it was a total riot... but I was rejected. And then what do I see later in the evening?... someone else got it through.
"Things are more moderner than before- bigger, and yet smaller- it's computers-- San Dimas High School football RULES!"
Someone must tell him that he is running Linux as his server OS with the APACHE DAEMON - he is also a devil worshipper!!!!!!
Apple started but never took to market. The ad campain was comparing mammals vs. dinosaurs, and the tagline was along the lines of "A computer for the smarter animal". They even went so far as to cybersquat at www.mammals.org.
It is clear that Apple has had their eye on darwinism for a while now and I am not surprised by the name of Darwin as the Core of Mac os X.
However I disagree with the idea that "clearly" Apple is Satanic or any of the other remarks in the article.
Mac os X, Beautiful, elegant, Unix. Need I say more?
CREED! For hubbard's sake, man, fight the true enemy!
Uhm, this is 'Clearly' a hoax. Sorry for the propaganda. ;)
There are ads all over this site for a true Christian ISP. Then the lunatic that runs this site talks about how UNIX is a tool of the devil and that free software is another word for communism. Then there are all the rants about how the internet is an American invention and that the government should suppress freedom of speech for people critical of the Christian faith. Whoever is behind this site is as bad as the Scientologists!
From netcraft.com
Operating System and Web Server for www.truepath.com
The site www.truepath.com is running Apache/1.3.22 (Unix)mod_perl/1.26 on Linux.
Linux users include Rackspace, www.dialtone.com, www.sphera.com and www.vasoftware.com
Apache is also being used by Rackspace, www.sphera.com, www.dialtone.com and website.oreilly.com
Pooty tweet
Man, did I get an education reading this thread!Until now I thought being pro-open-source was pretty much equal to pro-Linux/anti-MS. It was "educational" to learn how, apparently, I must now consider Christian beliefs subject for ridicule or if they're "fundamentalist" enough (open to wide interpretation of that word), even "dangerous".
./ community) react when people tirelessly dredge up a tarball of the most extreme behaviors of the tech-savy and nail it to the wall and say: "SEE!! We have to **STOP** those DANGEROUS vido-game playin, computer hackin, web-page destroying, illegal music tradin pornographers who are ALL training our children to shoot their classmates and subverting our democracy and American way of life!" I'd say ya'll don't take very kindly to being lumped and classified like that. No... I'd say the reaction is, well... loud and vocal.
:-)
Sheesh! And how do ya'll (the broader
This is one very pro-open-source Christian who isn't about to sit here quietly while a fair number of you do that to us, er, me.
I'm not the slightest bit "threatened" by "new ideas" like evolution, even if I don't agree with them. Completely apart from religion, as a university-educated technologist I have serious questions about the "proof" of evolution (as we now understand it) offered by science. I'll be the first to say that creationists have taken valid questions and some intersting hypotheses and completely destroyed them with highly questionable (embarassing) scientific practice. That only means I'll continue to ask more questions of science and faith, and I expect my kids to do the same.
Read enough of this? Fine with me. Kindly disassociate your technology from your theology
(or lack thereof) and I'll gladly repay the favor.
Well at least he's being hosted on a Commie linux server, and not a Satanic and Commie BSD one.
I don't think I have the heart to tell him.
evanchik.net
I've read your article on Evolutionism Propaganda. However, I think you missed the point greatly when using Apple Computer and it's new operating system Mac OS X:
1. Though most Christians may find it distasteful, Darwin is a good description of the core component of Mac OS X since it's loosely based on the Open Source model and no, it's not communism, it's the opposite. The open-source model requires developers to make their software improvements available to the community (In this case, the "source code" that comprises Darwin is posted for public review) and allows programmers direct access to the software source code, which can be modified at will. The only caveat to this is any developer who modifies or debugs the software (In this case, Darwin) must report these modifications back to the main developer. The purpose of doing this is to improve the software's stability and to modify the software for specific purposes in situations where the main developer does not have the resources to do so. In other words, it fits Charles Darwin's theory of Natural Selection. However, the object of that selection in this case is a computer's operating system, not a man or a woman and the "environmental effects" being the computer industry and market.
2. There's a reason why Macintosh users are fanatical about Macs: These computers are easy to use and easy to configure for various tasks, especially when compared to Microsoft Windows! It's no secret that Apple is one of the few computer manufacturers that enjoy "brand name" recognition. They make great, innovative, appliance-like computers.
3. I seriously doubt that Apple Computer or anyone in the computer and information industry is marketing evolution and Satanism. Though some the programmers who have developed the various forms of UNIX are atheists and Satanists ; they are many developers who have worked on UNIX are devout Christians also. I seriously doubt they took any of the UNIX nomenclature and logos as seriously as you.
I'm disappointed that you would use the "pulpit" to spread misinformation, exaggerations and outright lies to further your ministry. Shame on you Dr. Paley.
From the 'anti' link to another parody site, to the tech-savvy humor (e.g. chmod 666) it is clear that this site is a clever work of satire. The designer is probably a Christian or at least very familiar with Christian doctrine (i.e. Bible major or Seminary student) who wished to point out some of the absurdities of some of the "Christian" sub-cultures out there. "Fellowship University" does not show up in a Google query. I am sure a little more research by the poster and/or editors would have discovered the true nature of the site. I would dig up more proofs of its satirical nature but Google's cache is too slow at the moment.
The kids section.
The section on what to do if you discover that there is a grumpy old atheist in the neighborhood is hilarious. Also the little cartoon about how dinosaurs and humankind used to walk the earth together because the earth is only 10,000 years old is beyond compare. Evolution as a tool of Satan! I love it! Almost as funny as good ole Elron's theory about intergalactic genocide 75,000,000 years ago being the cause of all suffering for humans.
Pooty tweet
just satire I assure you...
The first personal computer sold by Apple was priced by Steve Jobs and his hippy friend Steve Wozniak at $666. Need we say more? [ADDENDUM (4/21/2002): Some readers have been asking for evidence of this. Here is an image of an ad showing the price from the October 1976 issue of Interface Age magazine.]
Funny how upon close examination of the image using The GIMP (another notoriously satanic application used by pagans and atheists both) You can clearly see that the area around the $666.66 price looks to be cut and pasted ala photoshop.
Now I'm not exactly a big fan of Apple or the Macintosh, (although I do have a Mac plus somewhere in the attic..) I think this is pure slander and that Satan^H^H^H^Hteve Jobs and Wozniak should sue these slanderous morons back to the dark ages of the inquisition where they belong.
Uh, this was a rather pompous comment:
Where exactly is the data to support this statement? Perhaps a majority of computer geeks may be Atheist or Pagan, but the amount of religious geeks is still quite large, definitely an amount that can not just be pushed around, and does not deserve this sort of ridicule. These sorts of statements are exactly what is not needed here. Why try to divide up the current population of people who support the ideas at hand on Slashdot and other techie guru places. A community like this needs to stay together and grow, we don't these sort of segregating statements.
Its actually titled "Evolutionism Propaganda" if you look at the top of the text. Still this guy is either completely insane, or you're right and it is satire.
[Apple] is well known for its cult-like following. It isn't much of a stretch to say that it is a cult.
Well the article got one thing right... I just did not know MAC people were so weird because they were in with Satan...
We spent a lot of time debating that today. The nail in the coffin was when we noticed the site uses the same retailer for its t-shirts as the landover baptist site. I really want a Bazooka Jesus shirt.
-M
Disclaimer: MINAA (Mummy! I'm Not An Animal!)
Looks like the info on that new Jesux OS is unavailable. Because Geocities is heathenly blocking the Jesux site, Geocities will burn in Microhell once "The Coming of Jesux 2.0" is complete!!
Here is the Google Cache of the page.
If you don't understand any of my sayings, come to me in private and I shall take you in my German mouth.
I am no longer illiterate!
If I lived in Indiana I'd be freaking terrified that these people were in charge of establishing the law in my state!
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
How many times do we have to explain it? It applies to Free software, not Open Source, and it's a lot closer to Socialism, than Communism. Geesh.
sic transit gloria mundi
He purported to have proved Evolutionism by making his Macintosh draw little squiggles -- or "biomorphs" as he called them -- that changed over "generations". (This of course begs the question: if it took a created machine running created software to make these squiggles, how then does that refute Creation?)
I realize the article is a hoax, but this is an example of reasoning that I hear fairly often from Creationists. They believe that if Creationism is true, then evolution must be false, and vice versa. But as the example above points out, software-based 'evolution' was created by an intelligent being. Move the scenario back to the real world, and it works there too -- there is nothing to prevent an all-powerful God from creating a Universe that generates human life through evolutionary processes. You can have your Creationism and evolution too.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
All a hoax? It's almost a disappointment. The article was much like many other crank articles I've read (it's a little vice I have), except better researched. No doubt a quote like "Infinite recursion like this is a sure sign of a flaw in a theory" in an article promoting creationism should have been a tip-off. Well, my hat's off to the perpatrators.
All the more reason to carbonize MacJesus! (Sorry, no link)
Save us Robert Carr! Let me see the light!
vi ~/.emacs
You can assume the best thing to rid yourself of those pesky demons would be to login and run:
/
chmod -R 777
Be sure to email me your IP address and I'll put you up on my holey server site.
Kord
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Well, its been said, but for those aren't convinced that this is a hoax, check out this
most science seems to refute most of the events of the bible, but that doesn't matter to most christians who simply agree and say "I still believe in the core beliefs" or who find extremely irrational explanations. As someone who attends church weekly for 2 services (I work at one, though I am atheist) I see a startling number of contradictions and ridiculous events presented in religious text.
You still of course have the right to believe, and i'm not denying that. But I too have the right to believe that you are wholly wrong. Don't think your weak arguments will persuade anyone/
Photos.
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Reading the headline to this article immediatly made me thing of This.
Look at the rest of the site, it drips with innocent stupidity. They are trying to shut down another web site, one they think is anti-Falwell, which if you want a parody go there; it's a total gut-buster.
Come on people, get your heads out of the sand. The Internet is crawling with stuff like this, and worse. The Fundies have Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson totally fisting us off in Washington. The 10 Commandments in the schools, give me a break.
I'd beseech the Goddess for well-placed lightning bolt, but hey, that would just play into their hands.
=^..^= all your rodent are belong to us
I'm impressed.
They have some cool merchandise, too.
Some people think that just because they have the ability to type and use FrontPage, they have the right to "publish" such garbage. That guy needs to be put out of commission.
I must say, as a fundementalist Christian, and a hacker I find things like this to be repulsive and scary.
It is ridiculous to think that Darwin OS is out to push evolution. What a joke.
People like this give Christianity a bad name.
I for one would love to see the Darwin OS and OSX to make large headways into the MS market.
>Apparently anti-Christian zealots --
>as well as shocked Christians who have
>unwittingly become Mac owners -- are linking
>to this article, which explains the large
>number of emails we have received on this
>topic. More clues have come in showing the
>dark nature of Apple Computers. According to one
>of our readers, the new MacOS X contains another
>Satanic holdover from the "BSD Unix" OS
>mentioned above; to open up certain locked
>files one has to run a program much like the
>DOS prompt in Microsoft Windows and type in a
>secret code: "chmod 666". What other horrors
>lurk in this thing?
Fellow Christians, send me your possessed Macintosh machines, G4 600Mhz, OS X and above along with $100 to cover exorcism fees and I will cleanse your Macintosh of all daemons. Your Mac will then join a Christian support camp where it will engage in various Christian activities. Because of the severe anti-Christian nature of Macintosh computers this camp will last approximately four years. At the end of this group session your Macintosh will be returned to you if you wish. An additional shipping and handling fee of $450 will need to be paid at that time to cover shipping and handling expenses.
I somehow knew that stuff wouldn't be up very long, so I saved the source and managed to put copies up here and here
apparently, it's also available by google cache... the CSS is busted up and you'll get a stupid pop-up window, too
in any case, it really is funny; enjoy.
I like the idea that the Apple Logo represents
Anarchy and Desire (Sinful).
I do remember a comment once from JLG in a Be newsletter or something Be related about the Apple logo. He said the Apple with the bite out of it represents desire. And it's not just image of a forbidden fruit but one with a bite out of it, so maybe it's sinful desire fulfilled. Then you have a rainbow but with the colors all out of order - anarchy!
I guess this is just his interpetation, rather than it's origin, but still that shouldn't stop those fundamentalists from using it. Had they not overlooked it, they might not have been so surprised by "Darwin".
dont assume geeks are atheists.
actually you would be wrong to think that alot of scientists are atheists.
Well, it all depends what flavour of communism(probably Marxism) you're thinking.
If you take the complete social-libertarian perspective (Anarchism), you would be having contributions to a community that benefit everyone as a whole. GPL'd software is not viable in a capitalist market because you're selling software that gives you no edge over someone else who's selling the same thing. If money was to be made on the software alone, the market would get flooded with the GPL'd software and the price would bottom out to the lowest cost of distribution.
Companies that make money by providing Free Software are not capitalizing on the software itself, but the 'value-added' services, manuals, and most likely proprietary software tossed in. If they were generating huge income from the sole sale of software, we'd see Microsoft join the Free Software movement.
Marxism, would have us hand over our code for the 'greater good of the people' - as history has taught us, a totalitarian regime would ensure this. Anarchism, it's an individual choice. But anarchism works on the ideals that we can live better by working together, but working together because you want to. Not because someone in a position of authority has forced you to.
For more info on Anarchism:
www.infoshop.org/faq/index.html
To determine your political standing:
www.politicalcompass.org
I read this years ago, word for word the same. How is this possibly "news" for nerds?
Hmm.. interesting technique there for spotting propoganda, but I normally just look to see if the file contains the word "propaganda" :)
Ian
Come ye all, follow the cult of the solar devil whose 8th incarnation is in the peak and the ninth will be born soon. Let us close all windows to god and block the ways out coz in our world you can only go in
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If you think that's funny, check out the BSD logo story, at http://www.softpanorama.org/Bulletin/Humor/bsd_log o_story.shtml
That one had me rolling in my seats. The jist is that some rednecks approach a lady wearing a T-shirt with the BSD devil-in-sneakers logo. Hilarity ensues.
Because Satan is in the operating system business. Sure, Apple may be roughly on the same team, but Satan still isn't gonna give the industry to them, when he is competing himself. Besides he did bail them out with that 10% non-voting stock deal a few years back, didn't he?
See? Natural selection at work!
So many people believed the Onion story was true that Snopes had to debunk it!
umm ...
... wait a second, we are commodifying water now. Keeping that in mind, sharing knowledge in the future might be regarded as some to be 'communist' in nature, and those who do so must be imprisoned.
... how many people do I need to start listing for those who've been persecuted by a social and economic structure we've approved of for sharing knowledge?
... ...
Isn't the concept of sharing Communism?
Communism/Socialism, it's the idea of doing things together. It's just a matter of how it's implemented is what has left the bad imagery in our minds.
If we ever do hit the absolute extreme of capitalism, information such as recorded history, will only be availible to those who can pay for it. But that's speaking of the ridiculous extreme
Hmmm
Wasn't there some kid arrested or charged for releasing some code to decrypt DVDs?
Was there not a Russian guy arrested in the United States for code he wrote while in Russia? Had something to do with Adobe eBooks if I remember correctly
Was there not a man who released code to encrypt information, and wasn't he threatened with criminal charges?
Older examples
What about Galileo? Thomas Aquinas?
There's good reasons why Free Software can be seen as having ideals of anarchism and communism.
score +1 (duh)
The site is a PARODY!
There is no longer anything that can be done with computers that is nontrivial and clearly legal. -- Paul Phillips
It's a hoax. For example, on the "progress" page, there's the obvious joke about the purple stuffed bear where, when they realized that purple can represent homosexuals, they change it to rainbow colors. It mentions a "Fellowship Baptist Convention," which does not exist. Also, if even it you could sue over "religious trademark violations" over the name Baptist, who would own the trademark? The Southern Baptist Convention? The Americian Baptist Convention? The Missouri Baptist Convention? People decended from the family of John the Baptist? This page is so obviously a hoax I'm surprised that so many people fell for it.
<META name="generator" content="Our Lord Jesus Christ, Who hath generated all">
There is no longer anything that can be done with computers that is nontrivial and clearly legal. -- Paul Phillips
I'd saythere's only about 4 christians in the whole of Oz & Europe who don't accept evolotion.
Gez most people in Oz just happen to be born Anglican or Catholic & that's as far as it goes. It's the same again in Europe. Except depending on the part of Europe you can substitute Lutherian, reformed, etc for Anglican or Orthadox for Catholic.
Now with the small minority in Oz 'n Europe, who actually happen to bother thinking about theological concepts, evolution was just the way god did it. The Melbourne Cardinal even banished a American Catholic preach back to the US because he publically denounced evolution.
Here in Oz there's only about 4 creationists, all probably in Queensland. From my experiance in Europe virtually the only creationists there are the American Baptist missionairies in Russia trying to convert the godless communist heathens (haven't they heard of the Russian Orthadox Church?).
It was rejected..
2002-04-22 08:45:25 Evolutionists spread "false" theories via MAC OS X (articles,humor) (rejected)
Burn my karma.. i dunt care.. thats way fucking lame of you editors... sheesh...
Maybe i should be supporting the lame slashdot blackout!
Apple is not a cult! Now put on your robes, we have to go the the hail-Steve chant!
Not that my username should have anything to due with it!
Incidentally: http://cult-of-mac.utu.fi/
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one " -Albert Einstein
Have you no heart? I'll bet the poor Jesux site fell within 10 seconds of the article being posted.
For God's sake Darwin was an ordained minister in the Church of England. Though he had trouble reconciling his findings with his religious beliefs; then, just as now it is possible to reconcile natural selection with creation.
WHY IS IT SO FUCKING HARD TO CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY THAT GOD USED EVOLUTION AS A PART OF CREATION???????
Damned Jesus freaks. Jesus used parables to make his points. Why isn't the Biblical story of creation a parable as well?
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Maybe somebody has already posted a mirror, or maybe I'm the first person that got Yahoo's "exceeded bandwidth" message, but here's a google mirror for the Jesux page.
: www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/+jesu x&hl=en
Jesux
For the goatse weary: http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:CruA_mWMcQQC
#1 pro Evolution book
The Blind Watchmaker
#1 pro Creationist book
Darwin on Trial
CySurflex
Avid athiest with an open mind.
Just because it's "over-the-top" doesn't mean it's not sincere. If this is a hoax they did a lot of work making (or finding) other over-the-top sites to link to. Check out their Objective: Landover Baptist Shutdown page. The links at the bottom are all the same style, but not all the same hosting service. This is one expensive and time-consuming hoax. /. story...
Citizens United for a Decent Internet
More shutdown Landover Baptist stuff
Rebuilding Noah's Ark. Maybe if they did it with Legos it'd be a good
I'm sorry to say, SS, but this is as real as Christianity in America gets. Maybe you Brits are a little more subdued, having gotten all of your religious craziness flushed out with Old King Hank. This is 'Merka, though, boy, and we march to the tune of our own banjoes.
For those who want to see the Evolution series in Seattle, it airs beginning May 14 on KCTS. I'm just finishing Dennett's book and look forward to the TV special. God has really blessed me: if not for the good folks at Mt Fellowship Baptist, I would have missed two hours of anti-Christian brainwashing Communist propoganda.
*sigh*
It must be difficult not understanding what you are reading. It must be more difficult being modded up for it. Any good propagandist knows not to use 'clearly,' much as any good satirist knows to use it profusely.
Aren't all GUI's evil to use since we have to use ICONS? And those shortcuts, those are FALSE ICONS!
[Apple] is well known for its cult-like following. It isn't much of a stretch to say that it is a cult. Consider co-founder and leader Steve Jobs' constant exhortation through advertising (i.e. mind control) that its followers should "think different"
(Sorry, it was too good to pass up.)
On another note, someone should email this guy and tell him about the daemons in Darwin.
Perhaps you might invite them all down to the mall teraplex to see 'Frailty'?
I'm sure she'd enjoy that!
Bill Paxton is SUCH a hunk >:->
Brak: What's THAT?
Thundercleese: A light switch.. of TOTAL DEVASTATION!
(That's "Before Slashdotted")
I sent this at 6am this morning after having fun with their site all night long. It's not often that I beat slashdot to the punch by 15 hours, but here's the email I sent them, verbatim:
Subject: Dear Dr Paley and Mr Carlson, Thank You.
Michael Gerard wrote:
I was taught that the origin of the term "daemon" in computer usage is biblical. Some translations of the Bible say that when God turned Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden, He set a daemon (a minor diety, i.e. an angel) to guard the gate. It waited at the gate, and slew any who tried to enter.
Daemons are programs that wait, then when their trigger occurs, they act. The action could be for anything from delivering email to notifiy an accountant that a transaction over a certain amount has occured. (That was actually the context for this discussion about daemons: a hypothetical database that had daemons or triggers that would execute when certain criteria were met.)
Wasn't "Open Source" just another name for communism?
I can't speak for Apple about it's attitude towards religion, but considering that Apple is owned by individuals, and hires workers for less money than they create, that's a really silly way to be communist.
Now, if Apple declared itself a worker-owned cooperative and made an officially statement against the dehumanizing and disinformative effects of religion by definition, I'd have to seriously reconsider OS X.
What's that? It was a joke and I'm taking it too seriously? Ya, well, screw you, jerk.
=D,
Jeff
Property is theft.
I'm not dissing the code, or the hard work people have spend on them, I just think the name is stupid and turns me off from it. How many of you would think "Creationism" is a good name for a mail client (the authors are creating it right?) or, I dunno, name your kernel after Jesus?
I love Kimmy!
This may not be on the topic of Apple, but what exactly does this mean?
"(they conveniently neglect to point out that Darwinistic propaganda equating us with animals might have helped to spread the disease in the first place)." This in reference to part one of the article about the PBS series Evolution and how Darwin's theories helped us to understand AIDS.
Could someone (not just a 'he-is-a-nut' flamer/troll) tell me what this means or what the rationale is for this line? Is the implication that God is punishing us for our evolutionary beliefs and culture?
I'm confused, and just a bit curious.
--I used to have a sig. Then my karma ate my dogma and had my sig for dessert.
It's a smug, self-satisfied and feeble attempt at 'Satire(tm)' that is an utter failure on all fronts. ALL of it has been done before, better.
I cannot *believe* that I *ever* found the Onion even remotely amusing.
(washing his hands feverishly, YET AGAIN!)
Brak: What's THAT?
Thundercleese: A light switch.. of TOTAL DEVASTATION!
No wonder I've had a strange urge to a rip an MP3 of "Highway to Hell" on my iMac.
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
Symbolic irony
dammit, now I just GOTTA go down to my local used comp junkyard, buy an old mac and put BSD on it. Thats what my brother does and his mailserver aint had to be rebooted in 4 years. Thank god, I have seen the light! Now all I need to do is figger out how to get mozilla to run on my INDY, dammit.
-- Defenestrate Microsoft!
My first clue that it was propaganda was the url:
a .h tml
http://members.truepath.com/objective/propagand
I don't really know about anyone else, but I tend to think that anyting with the filenmame "propaganda.html" would tend to fall into that category.
Alright, anyone who didn't catch that this was a joke within the first ten seconds out of the pool now.
There is a civil war coming in the United States. Remember which side has most of the guns
I'm pretty sure it's a hoax. The other stories (the one on Game Theory, for example) are too ridiculous to be real, and apparently there is no Fellowship University. However, it appears that the perpetrators have managed to fool the hosting service (which is 'Christian'). In addition, the authors link to a number of actual Christian sites, but that's just a way of making it more credible. I wouldn't be surprised if this were another spoof by the people who did Landover Baptist.
I will honestly admit that I got caught by the hoax. Even after I noticed the name of the author as "Richard Paley" (which I took as a nom de plume.).
Prime numbers are exactly what Alan Greenspan says they are -S. Minsky
This is an evil parody. This is not real. I can't believe so many of you fell for it.
Christians do not believe this tripe. Not even the fundamentalists or evangelicals. If all you know about christianity is what Hollywood and the MPAA tell you, then this guy sound genuine, but it most certainly is not. Distrust all stereotypes. A christian would be as likely to spout this blather as a geek would wear a pocket protector and taped glasses.
The members.truepath.com website is hoax. A very elaborate hoax to be sure, but still a hoax. Just go to the members' bios page if you don't believe me.
The proof of this hoax is simple: there is no theology anwhere. There's a lot of shouting about darwinism, communism and anti-christian terrorists, but I can't find any scriptural references anwhere in their arguments. Not one bible thump in evidence.
I am a christian. I was raised in a christian household. I grew up in the California version of the bible-belt. But I've never met anyone who even remotely resembles these turkeys. Not even the nutbags on the Patriot Network or JT Chick come close.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
yup....one great blackout
FreeBSD = communism = evil
Jesus Christ helped people for free with food , wine and health etc
so
Christ = communism = evil
Micrsoft not free therefore not evil
so
Christ = evil = not Bill Gates
therefore
Bill gates = anti Christ
You guys in USA have a real real issue with Communism. Im not a communism, but hey, they are big (or has been) so calling them "devil" I feel is wrong. They built a world of there own, think of the spacerace.. And they got some tech knowless thats very cool to. Then I do prefere a socity where the induvidual have choices, so Im not going to vote for them in my country.. but call them the devil is just plain wrong..
The insanity contained on this page is cringe worthy and laughable but is it Stuff That Matters? Wrong site, IMHO.
Don't use the word "communism", as it has been tainted with connotations of particularly inhumane dictators/governments. And don't think Marxist socialism, which calls for violence. Think "community effort" or "public". And since Open Source isn't communism, it isn't necessarily run by athiests. There are certainly religious programmers out there, and many many religious computer/technology users.
Call Open Source "Open Source". Attaching the word "communist" to anything that's not communistic confuses its meaning for no good reason except FUD. Remember learning about McCarthyism? The entire left-wing (which is where I believe Open Source fits in) is also gets an unfair association with communism.
And anarchism is _not_ part of the left wing. It's outside of the building, along with ultra-conservative fundamentalists.
Do not be fooled. I am constantly surprised at the number of intelligent people who want to believe. They become Christians and the bible is the source for them. This is true no matter what country you live in. I live in Sydney, and I have had many numerous conversations with people who want to save my soul before the day of judgement is upon us.
They are just more obvious in America because Americans are, without exception, louder, brasher, more egotistical and obnoxious than the rest of the world.
I think it might be better for the universe if we humans never make it out of this solar system. I'd really hate to see the kind of harm we could inflict due to the almost willfull stupidity that is so commonly displayed on this planet.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
Were you in an Apple Store? Did they get out the LSD iMac and show you a thing or two?
There should be a moratorium on the use of the apostrophe.
Max V.
NeXTMail/MIME Mail welcome
I was almost tempted to make some snide remarks, but unlike most religions, I DO let people make their own choices.
So I guess I am a devil loving communist. hmm.
Amazing what can happen to you when you download a ISO image of FreeBSD. I expected a lot of thing, a stable server, new gadets optimized disk drivers. But it seems that I got a little more than I bargained for.
my sig
because it appeals to you personally, just like some religions appeal to different people's sensibilities. there's no reason why the theologian can't be a practical man and like the honda better. personally, i'd rather have the porsche (but only to sell it for some cash, get something like a grand prix, and have fun with whats left... porsche's have big ugly round asses, imho).
however this is the difference between a person's opinion and actual knowledge and reasonable thought. and they shouldn't be made to direct comparison because they are apples and oranges my friend. the person you replied to was basically correct, there isn't any science behind beliefs. it seems its just there until its proven wrong. and when it is, then the followers of that faith become even more loose in their original interpretations of their scriptures so they can adapt while keeping some aspect of their treasured identity. it's happening even now with christianity in america.
evolution is a great example of science at work. religion is basically an expanded, groundless opinion (scientifcally speaking of course, we've all seen the televangelists who holler about their own personal revelations and divine experiences until their faces are beet-red) of how the world works and thats all.
:)
The 'objective ministries' store:
and the Landover Baptist store:
www.landoverbaptist.org is a spoof website
I just wrote a long e-mail to this guy debunking his ideas.
I did a little digging, and found that, tada, their server is running on Linux, an open source (and hence, in his view, Communist) server. I kindly informed of why chmod works the way it does, and that chmod 666 isn't nearly as powerful as 777, and that, well, they can do the same thing on their server.
I don't know. Being a Christian myself, these guys are an embarrasment. I know where they get there ideas now more and more. If you want an interesting read on the developments of the Church and the Jews, read Constantine's Sword. Maybe you'll understand why these guys have such misplaced views.
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - G.B. Shaw
Oops the links didn't show:
a spx?stor eid=objectivemin"
t or eid=bible10"
The 'objective ministries' store:
"http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.
and the Landover Baptist store:
"http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?s
www.landoverbaptist.org is a spoof website
The scariest and funniest part about this whole thing is that no one can figure out if it's a hoax or not. That says something right there...
It's people like you that make these hoaxes the wellspring of glee that they are.
Apple will lose market share!!! BTW, xBSD will NEVER become big - Daemon maskot prevents that. Think about it! You just can not have a demon as your logo!
Okay, so, everyone has been crowing at how "Fellowship University" isn't listed on Google. Fine.
So I decided to go to Google and hold my own little Safari of Fun.
I'll list to you all the links I followed [and apologize in advance if I kill anyones' sites]. It took awhile before I got anything out of google. My first mistake was searching for "Fellowship University" -- all you get from that is the ability to hate search engines for not allowing you to exclude punctuation marks from a quoted string. I know why, I understand lexigraphical indexing (mostly), I still don't like it, and a second-pass process for punctuation marks should still go fast. So nya! Are you listening, Google?
Anyhow, my first paydirt didn't hit until I used a search of:a ptist+anti-Christian
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=B
Toward the bottom, I got this link (to the australian broadcast servers):
http://www.abc.net.au/compass/explore/anti.htm
Amusingly, they have both the Landover site, and then this other "anti-anti-baptist site" which links to:
http://www.ilovejesus.com/myhome/jimcarlson/
Now, unfortunately, www.ilovejesus.com (which I'm very familiar with, it's NOT a hoax site, more's the pity) says that jimcarlson is a 404. Does that mean ilovejesus found out about him and booted him?
How about "Mt Fellowship Baptist" (which is a good quote from their own pages) ???h ip+Baptist%22
http://www.google.com/search?cat=&q=%22Mt+Fellows
That gives us the OBJECTIVE links and this:
http://www.orgsites.com/mi/cudi/news.html
Read down to 03/07/2000 for the pertinant info:
More than that, there's a link to the "OBJECTIVE: Ministries" on that page.
But, well, let's face it. As Abercrombie and Fitch learned to their supreme disgruntlement, two Wongs do NOT make a White. Two other sites may have been easily duped by this hoax. Or I might have better evidence that it's real. Goddamnit (no pun intended).
Hmm... but there WAS a link to "OBJECTIVE: ministries" right? Okay, let's grep the internet for that:% 3A+ministries%22
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Objective
Besides the CUDI links the only other useful link is from www.metafilter.com and had to be gotten from the googlecache, but it's just talking about that site as hoax:: www.metafilter.com/comments.mefi/16547+%22Objectiv e:+ministries%22&hl=en
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:kvVdd74wwaoC
Okay, let's try http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=Ba ptist+anti-Christian+objective
And we get:: www.geocities.com/hands_off_lb/index_old.html+Bapt ist+anti-Christian+objective&hl=en
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:SO6eFb9I3YAC
"Hands Off Landover Baptist" (google cache)
If the OBJECTIVE: site is a troll and a hoax, here's your index of all the other ones to go have fun with! (Also lists CUDI on there, w00t) (I think this would be properly described to be an anti-anti-anti-Baptist site?)
Okay, one more Run through the Google Sprinklers:2 2jim+carlson%22+landover
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=%
The good link from there is:l ist.html
http://www.angelfire.com/realm/ninglun/fundamenta
Here's some correspondence with the author of the site with Carlson. Of course, this also has a letter back from the Landover people, calling Mr Carlson a 16 year old kid. Which is fine... except 16 year old kids don't make nice happy websites like that. If they do, I want to hire him as an intern. [DON'T SEND ME EMAIL, THAT'S A !@!?! JOKE, YA MOPE]
Luckily for me, I can remember some of the ``offtopic`` pages well enough to find them in google cache: http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:V9xvB3hZdYcC: members.truepath.com/objective/progress.html+Fello wship+Baptist+-Medical+Jesus+anti-Christian&hl=en
They list there that they were once on the ilovejesus page, and had to flee. So at the worst, we could write the ILJ freekies and ask them for the real poop. But that's too much like real work.
Anyhow, even more vaguely-subtle "quite probably hoax but not quite sure" stuff on that page. Like changing the purple bear to a rainbow bear to keep people from thinking it's homosexual.
Dear god.
March 24, 2000, however....
Okay, who is good at spotting badly photoshopped text on signs? (sigh)
I love this guy.
I hate this guy.
He makes my head hurt.
And I mean that in only the best way.
Have I fallen for a troll? Do I care? I wonder if he'll marry me?
How about if he'll feed and support me because I didn't get enough work done tonight and I got fired for having so much brainfire over this silly little site?
I suppose the whole point is that we're all more than prepared to accept that these people really DO exist even when we don't want them to.
Oh well. For a bonus, if you don't mind waiting for the site to log (it's now late enough that the site is readable again if you're patient), here's all his groovy advertising links. Afaict, a random sampling mostly match against WHOIS registrations. But I'm lazy, so don't take my word for it.
http://members.truepath.com/objective/ads/
(Anybody want to research the CUDI site for hoax-or-notahoax? I'm tired and going to sleep)
Just to test who all is bothering to pay attention to all my slaving hard work and effort I've put into this damn article, I'll throw in one more punchline from google:% 3A+Christian+Ministries%22
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22OBJECTIVE
Click on the THIRD link on the page (served through "turn.to"). The cache entry doesn't work, but the current entry comes in LOUD and CLEAR (if I need to be more obvious: "don't follow those links if you're at work").
Cheers, folks!
mig
I didn't want to discuss with you just yet because of nonsense in the last paragraph, but once you do your homework about artifical evolution, I will gladly point out how GA concepts map onto natural evolution concepts.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
Compare:
. as px?prodno=objectivemin.2019725
. as px?prodno=untouched.1287242
The hilarious tote bag that teaches kids disdain for hindus (Habu the hindu elephant says, "I have so many God's I don't know who to turn to" - Hey Habu, simplify you're life with... Jesus!)
From "objective: christian ministries"
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/productdetail
With
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/productdetail
The "You Make Jesus Vomit" tote bag from Betty Bower's web site (so close to Jesus, we're thinking of taking seperate vacations this year).
Same seller, same product, same picture even (with different text photoshopped in).
Rocky J. Squirrel
so if we all "chmod 666" does that mean that jesux will get here faster :P
----- Question authority, but not ours. Hate the man, but we're not him.
That's nothing. I accidentally repeated myself four times in the chat window at Everything2, and five minutes later found every one of my writeups voted down to zero.
;)
No point in complaining, though - they're imaginary points handed out by anonymous nobodies, after all. Keep whor^H^H^H^Hposting, I'm sure we'll both make twenty-five karma in no time.
Either way, you can count yourself the luckiest man alive that you just made two points with a story submission complaint.
However, I commend you for posting this anonymously.
Stop the brainwash
Wrong, silly. Read those google results a little more closely.
See all those commas and colons separationg "Fellowship" from "University"?
A moment's inspection reveals: You found a list of resumes of people who did research fellowships at the University of Kansas in Lawrence, Kansas, or medical fellowships at the Medical Center in Kansas City.
... I am Agnostic (or if I feel spiritual Taoist).
Damn Christians, always twisting everything around, they don't even diss people correctly.
If you want to e-mail me, use my PGP Key.
Wrong.
Mathematics are not "the science of numbers". It is about building a theory of axioms and theorems where nothing is unproved.
Arithmosophy is about : 3 is the magic number of the god, and women have 2 tits and 1 pussy == 3 so this proves that our theory is right. Also the height of the pyramids divided with the number of words in the bible == 3 and if you keep searching you'll be finding proof inside everything.
This is the oposite of mathematics.
This looks like it was ripped off from adequacy.org - the most controversial site on the Internet.
Churchcraft has confirmed: *JESUX is dying.
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *JESUX community when recently IDC confirmed that *JESUX accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all parishoners. Coming on the heels of the latest Churchcraft survey which plainly states that *JESUX has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *JESUX is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a John the Baptist to predict *JESUX's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *JESUX faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *JESUX because *JESUX is dying. Things are looking very bad for *JESUX. As many of us are already aware, *JESUX continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeJESUX is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core adherents.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenJESUX leader Theo states that there are 7000 believers of OpenJESUX. How many users of NetJESUX are there? Let's see. The number of OpenJESUX versus NetJESUX rants on talk radio is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetJESUX followers. JESUX/OS letters to the editor are about half of the volume of NetJESUX letters. Therefore there are about 700 adherents of JESUX/OS. A recent article put FreeJESUX at about 80 percent of the *JESUX market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeJESUX users. This is consistent with the number of FreeJESUX street corner proselytizing nutbars.
Due to the troubles of Jim Bakker, abysmal sexual practices and so on, FreeJESUX went out of business and was taken over by JESUXI who sell another troubled faith. Now JESUXI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *JESUX has steadily declined in market share. *JESUX is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *JESUX is to survive at all it will be among eschatology hobbyist dabblers. *JESUX continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *JESUX is dead.
Fact: *JESUX is dead
semper ubi sub ubi
I hate to disillusion you, but throughout the real Bible belt, you could get Christians falling for this in droves--literally likely over 50% of the population. I grew up in South Carolina, and had the local public radio station tell me that if you play Van Halen's "Stairway to Heaven" backwards, it exhorted you to smoke marijuana. This during our previous Secretary of Education's term as governor.
They're pretty much equivalent to the political correctness freaks of the left that I met in college--everything you owned had to be checked for PC/TC (theological correctness). No products from countries with incorrect regimes/godless commies, thousands of "scholarly works" with lots of propaganda and incredibly self-referential citations, and an extreme ingroup-outgroup separation.
So it gets to the point where you could take the PC-ers and tell them that Apple was exploiting the working class and get them to boycott it and take the religious right and tell them they were in league with the devil, and take both of them and tell them they were involved in the illuminati/corporate/UN conspiracy and they'd both believe you uncritically.
The thing that gave it away for me is that the site's design is too good. Fundies always have crappy design.
P.S. If reading this as a Christian offends you, go out and tell your bible-thumping bretheren not to be such complete morons. Same goes if you're a World Bank protester and you don't like what I said about the Politically Correct--tell them to read a book or newspaper not written by the collective.
For me, the giveaways are:-
The fictitious university,
The glaring errors in the Game Theory section,
The sheer stupidity of the opinions. This has to be deliberate, as actual stupid people are not that literate.
I only respect the opinions of others if I think they are right. Clue, not you God Squad.
The original Doctor Dark.
I checked the site on netcraft and much like 90% of the internet it is running communist linux. tools of the devil.
"...under an "Open Source" license, which is just another name for Communism. They try to hide all of this under a facade of shiny, "lickable" buttons"
Man I love those lickable buttons. Makes everything taste so good
I wonder if the mascot Hexley is named after T. H. Huxley, 'Darwin's bulldog' and the strongest defender of the theory of evolution after it was published.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
Here is the member list, it looks pretty satirical: http://members.truepath.com/objective/members.htm
For me the funniest part is that whoever is perpertrating this satire has the balls to get the site hosted by a Christian web host!
Is POD really a christian rock group?
If the computer elite are mostly Atheists and Pagans (probably a true statement), then shouldn't Christians quit using computers and go back to typewriters?
mbbac
Hmmm... unable to login... methinks I shouldn't have waited so many months to login again...
I read the article, thinking, "Typical useless religious arguing, clearly making wild assumptions instead of doing actual research or actually thinking." I decided to see if the author had an email address available anywhere on the page.
drdinosaur@covenant.org
That says it all for me. After all, what fundmentalist, ultra-conservative Christian is going to admit that the earth is old enough for the dinosaurs to have walked on it all those years ago ?
Cheers
Craigus
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.
Well, you might want to note the page name - propaganda.html... I'd say that's a bit of a giveaway there :)
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An evolutionary OS?
Aww, FSCK!
Come to the University of Mars! Classes starting soon!
Thanks for your post. I have to point something out, though, that is forever being ignored in these discussion, which is that science, and evolutionary science in particular, is not a belief system. I don't "believe in" evolution, or gravity, or optics. I accept the scientific evidence.
There is a serious attempt in the country to make a false equivalence of religion and science, and we must guard against it.
since this is a bashM$ site...
what does the sound "mycrosoft vindows" or "billgaytse" roughly mean in other languages
like maybe algonkian, sioux,xhosa,croat,ossetian,cantonese,native australian languages, armaic,hebrew..?
this is a international site, right?
Uh, no...
Hi... I'm Larry... the shivering chipmunk... brrrrr!... I'm cold... I need a sweater...
Abiogenesis is the creation of the first self replicating life form. Done in a lab but how it happened on earth, who knows exactly ?
Its strange that after each proof of "what must
be proven else..." that another is created. If you want to say that God, little green men or whom ever created the first self replicating piece of clay or whatever, then fine. You have no evidence and no proof, you ask for Science to give proof but offer none in return.
In terms of Adultery in the Bible, they have incest in there which many people would regard as much worse. Also condones murder, including of infants.
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
POD is some of the worst crap I've ever heard on the radio.
Granted, this is a hoax. But if you want to see just how wacky some fundamentalists can get, visit irc.christian-chat.net:6667 sometime. It is a place totally devoid of free speech and, well, freedom in general. I actually knew of a Christian IRC server that changed thier port from 6667 to 7000 because thier patrons were complaining about the "666".
1. Genetic mutations are almost always harmful/harmless, never beneficial (in the sense of different fur). The ratio of harmful mutations is much, much higher than neutral ones. I'm not sure if any beneficial mutations have been observed, but I could be wrong.
You are wrong. We have indeed seen beneficial mutations, including antibiotic resistance in bacteria and bacterial digestion of nylon precusors. One of my personal favorites is tetrachromaticity, as this is a *human* mutation that offers a distinct advantage to a few lucky women.
2. We find the genetic code for the variety of species is present in the parent. With current data we are quite clearly dealing with genetic code that already existed, not through fresh mutations.
Again, wrong. We've seen new mutations appear: nylon didn't exist in nature before the 1940s. Now bacteria can eat it. Other types of mutations scramble existing code and generate new: you can claim that rearranging all the letters in a /. post doesn't introduce new information, but I can take the words in your post above and make it say most anything.
I can't argue your latter bit: I'm a chemist rather than a biologist, so I see a different set of wrong arguments against evolution.
This problem is perfectly consistent with Creation theory though,
Here's the real crux of your problem. What is "Creation Theory"? Is it scientific? Is it testable? Is it falsifiable? "God did it" is none of these.
Please explain the testable, scientific creation theory. The folks on talk.origins have been asking for *years* and have never gotten one.
Eric
"Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
Not suprisingly, Jesux has gone over its bandwidth cap.
Here's a link to the google cache for it
Aaron
AaronCameron.net
What you're saying is that the hoax is quiet well written but not as good as it could be. Those of us who have been there would catch this. i.e. if this article was for honest real, listening to Christian Rock would put this man in the heathen bin, not the "cleaned up" bin.
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the same thing as Nigonometry?
:)
It's a funny article, but I'm not sure it's a hoax. (I've heard the hoax-supporting evidence.) What many may not know, is that there really are zealots who are this foaming-at-the-mouth luney.
;-)
Long ago, as an early teen, I was taken by Mommy to church to listen to one. He preached to us about the evils of "rock" music (anything not explicitly Christian). The year was 1984, the location was the suburbs of a city of 350,000.
These guys can find "evil" in anything, and will fabricate ridiculous arguments to suport their position. This guy's arguments were so unsupportable that even at 14 I could tell he was nuts. Guys like this still occasionally get groups to have "burnings" of books, records, etc.. Somehow, though, I doubt that they would find many takers for a Tibook burning party.
You also have to remember that any of our "evidence" is only relative to our current perspective. Newton developed his laws over a period of time, slowly connecting them based on evidence. We have since found those "laws" to be true only when the effect of other dimensions of physics are minimal. Newton realised this as well when he developed equations that assume that the earth is flat. In the right field of reference(such as here in my cube), it may as well be.
That's "Gandhi"... When will you people learn ?
Exactly.. and I know this because those groups tend to put me in the "heathen bin"
I think in bible times they would have referred to themselves as "Pharasees".
There is a story on this page about this dr. Paley
Posting it as a coward so I won't get any karma...
but here it goes!
http://www.nku.edu/~eng151/spring02.htm
After writing an even loooonger discussion about the site and having it all erased in a system crash, this will be a short version. (On the second reading: ha-ha).
:-) The only obvious
people that could do it "for fun" is the Landover crew (and they are probably
overloaded with that site, plus they specialize in sharp and clear irony)
and Kyle Goldman that has a very different style on his other webpage. Faking
the artwork on the Objective site would also take lots of skill and time.
...or maybe I think it is a hoax... :-) /Fredrik
* The web service provider www.truepath.com/ has been online since September 1997. They are definitely for real and serves many, many other cristian sites. Let's not scan or bomb them. They are doing a great job handling the slashdot effect - we have seen many other sites choke immediately.
It all looks very, very much like a real site. Some glitches point in the hoax-direction however:
* On the member page, it is very hard to find any evidence of any pastors or doctors on the web. However, searching for '"Tim Allmon" baptist' on Google returns two hits.
-The Digital Missourian: Citing
"Tim Allmon, 22, plans to vote for Bush. But the Southern Methodist University student says he is tired of candidates "putting on the fake happy face, shaking hands and kissing babies.""
There is acutally a guy called Tim Allmon, about the age (24) of the portrait on the member page, studying at the Southern Methodist University. Sounds OK to study at the Methodist Univeristy if you are ultra christian, but I guess there are 10.000 other students there that are not, on the other hand...
The second link is not about our guy anyway.
* The bible verses they have chosen are good reading.
Tim Allmon, the treasurer, chose Mattew 22:17-22... (bible citations from bible.gospelcom.net)
"Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away."
Too good to be true? You judge. But the femnine looking Peggy Miller's choice is Luke 11:21:
""When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe."
Pastor Jose Rosas is also surprising. Claiming to work in "the ecumenical Catholic Outreach Baptist Ministries" is exceedingly hard to believe for me. If the catholic and baptist acutally had any collaborations, we would find it on Google... Wouldn't we? Again, we are directed to Objective as the first link...
Corinthians 8:1-13 is not that obvious either...
Kyle Goodman then. His story is almost too good to be true... We can read in the Google cache (to save his Geocities accound from flooding) that he was salvaged by Jim Carlson of the Objective site. He first was a "bad guy" with a webpage against Jim Carlson and pro Landover. Now he has changed and is against Landover. It is hard to know if he is serious. Would anybody changing mind so drastically still keep their old web page that insulted what you now believe in? (His pages are still up on Geocities, but they are often overloaded so use the Google cache instead.
There is some really good reading in Kyles guestbook. I especially like a comment (KirthGersen - 11/22/00 06:05:12):
"Taking parody to the razor's edge... The fact that you left your old site up shows you are faking your conversion. The fact that those idiots at Shutdown Landover believe you shows that they are really, really dumb. Congrats on your parody - it's quite convincing. Can't wait till you suddenly fall from grace - should be hilarious!"
Furthermore, Kyle Goldman is a very uncommon name in Google. Most hits points into golf result tables. Some link actually points to the Faith Presbyterian Church in Huntsville, Alabama, were they have posted the participants in the cermon (how about that privacy?). Actually Melissa Goldman also participated. This seem strange as Kyle have chocked his jewish parents when converting as the Objective site says. Maybe this Kyle Goldman is not the one we are looking for...
One of the links points to a sermon that was held the 15th of October 2000, which is only two days after Kyle's last note on his Geocities webpage. It seems normal to me that a young newcomer in a presbyterian congregation would be asked to lead the prayers.
The golf-playing Kyle was a freshman in Temple Highschool in Bell County, Texas in 1997 (See this link, and this directory listing). Is he the same Kyle Goldman? There also seems to be a horse-riding and -judging Kyle Goldman that originates from Washington in Wilkes county, Georgia. Btw, his horse is named Cookie.
Aaaarghhh. I want to know the truth!
Conclusion
It is harder for me to believe that someone spends the enormous amount of work on a site likeObjective for fun rather than if they do believe in it. (On the other hand it may be hard for people to believe that someone spent the time to write this
This has largely turned out to be a study if the people named above really exist. It is hard to determine that using only the Internet, and it gets even harder when the persons are not supposed to use the 'net because of its low moral. It is next to impossible as the pages in discussion lack real-world adresses. Even if that is a sign of a hoax, nobody that tried leaving their mail adress on a page like that would do it again. They may be misinformed, but they are not stupid...
So, I choose to believe that there acutally are people different enough and determined to set up a site like Objective because they do believe in it for real. If anybody have hard evidence of the opposite, I welcome it.
Too bad, though. Here's what I tried to send:
e _w=on&site=members.truepath.com
From:
To: drdinosaur@covenant.org
I was greatly concerned to learn that the site on
which your "Creation Education" article was posted is,
in fact, running on a variant of the UNIX operating
system (speciffically Linux, which is Open Source).
As you correctly point out in your article, Open
Source software is effectively another name for
communisim. Also it uses the same "chmod" command
which the "Darwin OSX" operating system uses to give
access to files, and yes, the full access command is
"chmod ***".
Given these facts, I am concerned that your advise may
be tainted with the exposure to the influences you
yourself claim to stand firm against.
(For information on the version of the operating
system the computer is using, I reference this site: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?mode_u=on&mod
)
* I refuse to type the Number of the Beast.
Regards.
-- IANAEG - I am not an elder god.
"it is well known among the computer elite, who are mostly Atheists and Pagans"
Do you have proof to back up this claim or is this your opinion or wish?
I feel dirty.
--Dave Rickey
http://extremetracking.com/open;sys?login=olobs
Bwaha! The page hits are 18% evil, and roughly 12% communist.
I am a christian. I was raised in a christian household. I grew up in the California version of the bible-belt. But I've never met anyone who even remotely resembles these turkeys. Not even the nutbags on the Patriot Network or JT Chick come close.
Yes, this is a hoax. But it's too close to reality to be called a "parody".
Take a trip to Alabama, Georgia.. heck, even as far north as Kentucky. At least 10-20% of the population wouldn't find this sort of thing funny at all. Really. I know hordes of people who think *exactly* like this. I have personally seen people show the "chmod 666" fears when I was showing them how to use unix-like systems. And I have seen one person switch to a non-unix system because she found out her computer was "infested with daemons" from her sysadmin.
You may think you know fundies, but trust me brother, you don't know fundies.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
...that this group of Americans struggles so endlessly to preserve core American values... by destroying core American values. When will they wake up and realize that this country was founded in the name of freedom for people of all backgrounds. It was only in recent history that they were be persecuted in similar ways.
Why bother.
Actually, evolution is more akin to a belief than scientific evidence. You see, it's a THEORY, in the same vain that creationism is a theory.
However, a main difference between science and fundamentalism (be it Christian, Islamic, etc.) is that science is willing to bend when evidence suggests that a current THEORY is wrong or doesn't explain things well enough.
Actually, that once comes up from time to time.
There's a bit in the old testament describing the jewish temple, and a certain object is described as being circular, 10 cubits in diameter with a 30 cubit circumfrance.
Thus, Pi = 3. And since it's in the bible, any other claims are heresy.
It's not a hoax at all. It's terribly sad, but true, that there are people claiming to be Christians out there who are really so paranoid. Print doesn't do it justice. Until you have heard this sort of pablum expressed vocally, you just don't grasp that these guys are dead serious.
To quote one of their own, however, they're almost there--they can almost see the ridiculousness of their position. In the text, it talks about simulations of evolution on a created machine. Why can't evolution take place in a created universe? Wny are evolution and creationism mutually exclusive? It strikes me as though one answers the question "What happened?" and the other answers the question "How did it happen?"
Idiocy like this is part of the reason why I am no longer a Christian. I grant that these guys are fringers, but questioning them led to me questioning the whole shooting match, and drawing the conclusion that none of them know what they are talking about, regardless whether or not they are this paranoid.
This is, of course, my opinion as an agnostic (not to be confused with an atheist). I mean no disrespect to Christians. I subscribe to the Ghandian principle of equality of religion, based on the belief that no mortal can know all about God.
www.wavefront-av.com
I'm from Alabama - a state where allowing the ten commandments to be displayed in the courtroom is a popular campaign platform, and "I didn't come from no monkey" is a viable political argument against teaching evolution in school. I say it's possible that this is no hoax.
Once, a teacher in my junior high school showed the class Geraldo Rivera's devil-worship special as an educational film. In that same place, I was called into the principal's office and threatened with expulsion for devil worship. (I had brought an Ozzy Osbourne tape to school.) I've also attended a church function (involuntarily) in which youth ministers played Rush and Judas Priest albums backwards in order to expose the hidden Satanic messages.
This site may be a parody, but it's not foolish to believe that it's sincere. People like this exist in real life.
And yes, Jack T. Chick is that nutty!
Step into a huge movement. Don't Tread In Me.
Nah i already got karma of 48-50 range(changes daily) sure it'll go down after this one...
Look it up:
Daimon or alternate spelling Daemon
It's a name for a type of spirit that assists people in their daily lives. It has nothing to do with Christianity, Paganism, Satanism, etc.
I saw this article on MacSlash yesterday, but didn't see it on Slashdot 'till this morning. And guess how many comments were posted at the time the page loaded up?
3 guesses, and the first 2 don't count.
666.
Hehehehehehehehe Christians are so much fun to mock and laught at. I can't wait until Jesus is sitting in the same spot the Greek and Roman gods are now. ("How quaint!")
As I checked the front page this morning, the last line of the Apple story read:
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Coincidence?????
These people have looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined.
Dear friends,
... shaken man.
... MISLEAD!
I come to you today, a
All these years, you see, I thought I was living the life of one who... truly Believes... in the Way of Macintosh, the Way of the Apple II, the Way of... it matters not which Way I thought I was going. For it has been REVEALED to me -- I was
All this time, you see, I've been promoting "free" software, "shareware," even the EVILLE Gin-Uuue Pub-lick License. Though it was not until years later that I was drawn into the EVILLE FOLD of Richard Stallman's ways.
But I digress.
See, brethern and cistern, I thought that I had returned from that PATH of EVILLE, away from the GPL, away from the CANCER known as LINUX... only for it to be REVEALED that I WAS NOT SAVED!
No, today, I had a... shocking realization. I looked at my computer, at the logo that is etched in it as much as the CLAWS of SATAN had touched it -- and there I saw it -- the Apple.
This humble Apple is no humble Apple as it may seem.. it was a temptation from the GARDEN of EDEN! The Deville, Torvalds, must have sent it to me, to tempt me -- there could be no other way!
And although this Apple bears only one color -- it pretends to be WHITE, the color of all that is holy and good -- I realized, in my childhood, that the Apple of those days had SIX colors. SIX!
And let us think about this some more, the SIX COLORED APPLE.
My first computer, it was an Apple, the "Two Plus" they called it. (two is SIX divided by THREE!) this "Apple TWO Plus" bore a HUUUUGE Apple upon it. And above it.. there rested TWO MORE APPLES, EACH bearing the six-steeerip-ed Apple. Do you know what this put upon my machine?
This bore before me... three six-strpied Apples.
And do you know what this makes?
Six-striped Apple here. Another six-striped Apple here. And another Six-striped Apple here.
SIX SIX SIX!! THE NUMBER OF THEE BEAST!!!!
Indeed, when I looked upon my floppy disks, I found the Mark of Thee Beast -- MICROSOFT!
ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN AN EVILLE CABAL TO BRING ME INTO HIS GRASP!
And even now, I am tempted to return to the land of three Apples, with their salaciously tempting new iMac... pray for me, brethern!, that I do not FALL into HIS HANDS.
YOU SHALL NOT GET ME YET, GATES!
repenting now, sir,
-- haaz.
First off, understand that truepath.com is just a christian hosting service. They are not the ones saying this. The "member" in question (the one who runs "Objective") has been ranting about the Internet being a christian-founded network that should be purged of non-christian thoughts for a long time. The creationism section is run (in theory) by yet another guy who thinks that creationists won't be able to have a fair debate until they define thier own terms (you see, "species" is an evolutionist term... ignore the fact that the term pre-dates the theory of either evolution or natural selection or the origin of species).
;-)
Also, note that the folks ranting here seem unaware that their complaints about communist OSes are being made on a site which runs Linux/Apache
I think Christians can be, and usually are, good people. However, it really gets me hot under the collar when folks mis-use doctrin that millions hold sacred like this. It's shameless and someone ought to throw a pie at this nutter instead of Bill Gates!
Also on the humerous side, I just hit the front page and saw this:
Apple: Apple Deals with Devil [...]
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Heh.
the front page just now indicated a total of 666 comments for this story ... wonder what the 666th was - and who posted it, eh, eh? sadly, since then great 'first post reforms' of 2001 we can not tell (or at least not easily...). ok back to work.
I have to agree with you. Let me just say for the record that I have been raised very much Christian and I am a conservative Republican. That being said, if this guy is not a hoax, he is definitely a misinformed zealot. The guy doesn't even have his Biblical facts right (at no time does the Bible refer to Adam and Eve eating an "apple" -- in fact, I'm not totally positive about this, but I don't think the Bible uses the word apple aywhere). Whether this guy is for real or not, his article is a great example of everthing bad about people who claim to be "Christians," while the only doctrine they seem to preach is intolerance and hatred. Take your "rock" music for example. My wife was teaching third grade and had a student in her class that was being raised by such religious zealots. She used to turn on a Yanni CD while the kids were working quietly to help keep a quiet mood. One of the kids went home and told Mommy that the teacher was making them listen to some Devil non-Christian music in class. Mommy came and explained with her very best poor grammar that their family only listens to "Chrisian" music (because obviously a song is more spiritual than Yanni's soft music if it says "Jesus" somewhere -- even if said music is loud and obnoxious). A couple of weeks later, this same kid became unusually upset when he lost one of his "good behavior" tokens for the day. My wife tried to console him and tell him that he had five of them every day (fifteen for the week) and that losing one every now and then was no big deal. All of the kids lost a token every once in a while. By this time the kid was crying, but he finally managed to explain to her that if he lost any of his behavior tokens on a given day, he was not given dinner that night. By this time, my wife was downright pissed with these people, so she proceed to call the good Christian parents, arrange a meeting, and chew them out. Of course, they had a hard time dealing with an educated person, so they just lied, contradicted themselves several times, and finally she let them go.
Today's Sesame Street was brought to you by the number e.
In the Final Tests in physics where I live, each school chooses 2 additional chapters to teach HOWEVER, there was a section for relegious schools.
I'm not joking about this, here's a question from there (translated, not sure about every word):
"If science shows that the universe exists for 10 billion years (not sure about the number here), and the relegion states it exists only 5000 years, how fast did the universe expand so that these 2 theories don't contradict?"
There were more of these, but I don't remember them now.
^_^
Just scanned the index for the first time since this was the top article and saw underneath:
... at best punctuated equilibrium, but sometimes verging on mass extinction.
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Definitely needed that laugh.
Having managed to stash away a few ancient Macs last week which I grabbed for archive retrieval purposes, I would have thought there was precious little evidence of evolution in the Mac lineage
But if there is a prize, I could imagine worse than a new desk lamp.
-- Our systemic servants do not good masters make.
Gasp! My cute little Newton MessagePad 2100 must be evil too! I shall exorcise it with a brain-wipe!
Saw this right when I was reading the story. Read More... | 218 of 666 comments | Apple I think it is even more evidence of satan.
>he was not given dinner that night
This is the point at which you call the Child Protection Agency and have the kid removed from the psycho parents.
Mathematics are not "the science of numbers". It is about building a theory of axioms and theorems where nothing is unproved. You may be forgetting Godel's Incompleteness Theorem
Linux, schminux. The hostname is members.truepath.com. A real Christian wouldn't allow their site to be hosted on a domain address called "members".
Or are they telling us that they're a bunch of wankers?
Let's be frank here - The author of the site actually believes this stuff. In case anyone is wondering what was being taught in the Madrasas that led to the Taliban - well, here it is.
The scariest thing about this hoax is that it's actually believable. Anyone who has spent siginificant time in the South (and South West) can attest that there *ARE* people who believe this crap. As crazy as it is...there are still believers.
Come down to Texas and I'll introduce you to you a whole boatload of them.
Wow, hoax or not, your reply was very cool.
I wish I had such a way with, um, them speaky things, um, "words".
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Come on. The generator tag is "Our Lord, Jesus Christ, Who hath generated all"? That's *way* too geeky for the tone of the article. This has got to be a hoax.<TITLE>OBJECTIVE: Creation Education: Evolutionism Propaganda</TITLE>
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thermodynamics, second law">
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<LINK href="stylesheet.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">
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I keep thinking that this article can't be real, but it looks like it. You sir, are gullible to the extreme. This article is a troll!
After looking through all the merchandise they have on their Cafe Press site, this has to be an elaborate hoax. The basketball backboard that says 'Score on the court, not on a date!'? Or the t-shirt that mocks hindu? Seriously. This is a thick gag.
Hot Soup - Lethal Doses
Were you in an Apple Store? Did they get out the LSD iMac and show you a thing or two?
Mmmmmmmm...LSD iMac.
Mike van Lammeren
It will challenge your head, your brain, and your mind.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.... I am *so* tired of hearing this.
You see, it's a THEORY, in the same vain that creationism is a theory.
Creationism is *not* a theory. It is not testable. It is not falsifiable. It is not predictive. There is no such thing as a "Scientific Theory of Creationism." Ask any long-time poster to talk.origins. They've been asking for one for years, and noone's ever offered one up that meets the actual criteria of being a theory.
Secondly, evolution is both a fact and a theory.
Sorry if I'm sounding harsh, but I see these same misconceptions all the time, and they drive me crazy sometimes.
Evolution Happens! Suck-It-Up!
Cry baby, Church going, Jesus Freak!
Grinder
Umberto Eco (best know for his novel "The Name of the Rose") is a professor of semiotics. (Semiotics could be defined as the study of symbol systems and their interpretation, or a better definition). "Symbol systems and interpretation" - sound familiar? Our dear Professor of Theobiology is all about finding 'hidden meanings' and 'concealed connections'! Pokemon=evolution! chmod+base 8=satan! Steve Jobs' reality distortion field "mind control"(hmm, maybe he has a point on that last one... ;^) )
In his novel "Foucault's Pendulum" he tells the story of a publishing house editor who gets way in over his head working on a project on books on the occult. He and his friends keep finiding more and more wild connections between elements that at first seem unrelated, but when put together form a wild web. (If you read it, don't get bogged down in the hundreds of names, most aren't that important) Because the characters are willing to form connections between things that aren't really proveable, their world turns into a madhouse of hidden meanings and sinister powers. Sound familiar? Our dear Professor of Theobiology lives in just such a world.
For a more in depth (but not too dry) look at how and why connections between ideas should (and shouldn't) be made, look at Eco's essay "Interpretation and Overinterpretation" (A little more at this link). Basically, Eco is reacting to the excesses that can take place in the academic world.
I believe that he is reacting to the extremes of some of the academic movements that arose or became more prominent starting in the late Sixties, such as Deconstructionism, Feminism and Post-Colonialism (as examples). At their best, these movements have revealed important limitations in our ability to present purely rational arguments (Deconstructionism)or the societal and interpersonal structures that harm women (Feminism). But when stupid and lazy people jump on these bandwagons, the basic (often very difficult) ideas get thrown around slopily and wild connections are made, where no such connections exist.This brings us back to our Professor of Theobiology. In "The Name of the Rose", Eco used the conflict between the Dark Ages and the Renaissance to illustrate the distinction between two different modes of thought. The medieval monks were trapped in their way of thinking - full of hidden meanings and sinister connections. In contrast, the protagonist used reason and science to deal with the problems at hand (a series of murders).
All in all, it's rather frightening that here in the 21st century we're still trying to deal with the Taliban and our Professor of Theobiology.
Of cours--though I'd certainly include a twist of some kind . .
hawk
1) while the bottles may be sized in that evil metric system, we measure our wine and beer in God-fearing "ounces."
2) 30ml? that's two much for Communion, and far two little to drink.
hawk, just helping htings out
OK, you win. Evolution is for real. Although evidence is lacking, I concede. God does not exist. Now what?
You get to sit on your death-bed however many years/minutes from now, and say "Well, it was fun while it lasted. Guess that's it. See ya.", and you get to look back and see your life pass before your eyes. You might even give a smug little smile about how you had it all figured out. Those stupid believers, and then that's it. Done. Finished. You are history.
Me on the other hand, I'm sittin there on my death-bed, and I get to look FORWARD. I get to go in ANTICIPATION of what's next. I have the knowledge and COMFORT that my family will be with me sometime soon. I get excited thinking about when the creator meets me and says "Thanks for believing, and welcome." The only sadness I have is thinking about those who didn't end up believing and what they are going to go through.
Hmmm. looking back vs. looking forward.
Weigh our two acceptances and your fate will either be one of two things...
1) If you are right, looking back and then nothing, conceding to the end.
2) If God is right, suffering eternally with satan.
My fate will be one of two things...
1) If you are right, looking forward and then nothing, but I don't care cause I'm dead anyway, but I went happy, not conceding.
2) If God is right, looking forward, eternal life, joy, love, happiness, family, etc...
Yes sir. You sure got it all figured out...
Anybody who wants to learn more is more than welcome to email me, but please save your rants and flame for the forum.
- Joshua 24:15
Joshua 24:15
I read your article concerning evolution and the linking of certain computer operating systems and inferring their maniacal perversion of users into evolutionists. I am troubled by some of your logic and reasoning.
First let me introduce myself-- I am a believer in Jesus Christ. He is The Savior, the Son of God, and God Incarnate. He was virgin born and Perfect-- without sin. I was middle and high school educated in a Christian environment, and worked for many years in Christian ministries. I am politically conservative. Yes, I do work for NASA now; I am contractor that Administers unix servers for the Space Station project. I, and many other people who work for the Space Agency, are firm and out spoken believers who stress that Space Exploration can show the majesty of our creator. It does not imply that we are godless evolutionists looking for life, aliens, or any other such nonsense as you might want to infer.
Now...
The development name of the Apple OS X (or Ten) certainly was called Darwin. True. Somebody, some manager or Pointy-Haired Boss, decided that they would call the new OS (Operating System) Darwin because 1) it will be "the next best thing", 2) a great leap forward in computing. Yup, that certainly smacks of computer evolution. I would much rather they called it Genesis-- but that name is trademarked, so that's out.
But now the OS is released and for sale as "Darwin"? No, it's called OS X-- or Operating System 10. Apple's previous OS was 8-- so they skipped 9. Big deal. Should people burn their Macs and go buy Windows? No-- because using a piece of software does not effect their spiritual, mental, political (sould/mind/heart) processes in that way.
Think about the alternative. Windows. Did you know that Windows began working on their "next evolutionary Operating System" back in'92? Do you know what their Code Name was? Cairo. You presumeably use Windows-- at least 95 or 98 version since you don't like Macs or Unix. Did you know that a good deal of that OS is built on Cairo techonology? Does that make you an evolutionist? Does that make you an Islamic Terrorist? I don't think so.
Being an evolutionist is a heart/soul/mind condition. Not a favorite computer. Making a connection like that is just absurd.
You also stress that the Mac OS X is built on BSD technology. This is also true-- it is one of it's greatest strengths. Here is more fuel for your fire-- but the B in BSD stands for Berkely. Egads! That's the foundation of the LSD movement, wasn't it? That makes Mac users freaked out druggies, doesn't it? No.
Sun Microsystems also uses BSD technology in their Solaris operating systems. As does IBM in AIX, SGi, HP, and Linux. It was developed by AT&T waaaaay back in the 70's. It certainly is not obsolete. It is very powerful and extremely functional. That is why Microsoft and Apple are constantly integrating functionality from these environments into their systems.
Off the top of my head I can't remember why the services were called "daemons". I don't like it... but I take joy in the fact that I am often "terminating" daemons on machines with problems. It is rewarding... but I digress.
Using a name for a service type as reason to abhore a computing system is ridiculous. I, assuming that you do use Windows since that is the only other alternative to Mac or Unix, notice that you did not discuss Windows' Wizards. Shocking, really. Windows is constantly running little Wizards to help users configure their computer and setup this or that. We all know that Wizards are witches and Satan worshippers. So using your same arguments and assumptions, I can assume that you are an Islamic Terrorist Warlock. Very odd.
If all this were true, I don't think I would like you very much, Mr. Paley. But I would love you through Christ, and pray that you would come to know him. I would not attack you on your beliefs, or your computers. I certainly would not publish such irrational arguments about you.
I apologize for taking such an offense with you; I believe you are a good man and do not wish to attack you. I think your arguments were very weak and not well thought out. Your intentions were good and honorable. Your motive pure. The plan was faulted.
Instead of attacking people and their computers and operating systems, how about attacking the problem? The problem is not what computer they use, but how they use it. What they use it for. Mr. Dawkins' program written for Mac mentioned in your article could just as easily been written in Windows. Probably with minimal work, I could make it run in Windows or Unix. Attacking the people, I've noticed, is not very helpful either. It is ironic that that was what I used to make my point. I apologize for that and I hope my hypocrisy was not in vain. Reach out, touch and change hearts with God's Truth and Love... not attacking and tearing down people that still need to be saved.
I haven't the time or energy to talk about the Communist-freeware comparison. I like getting free software; I don't mind paying for something really good, but I like it even better when it is free. There is nothing wrong with someone giving away their code and programs. I find it admirable. There are people who make it their religion, but they need to be reached and loved in the same manner as any other man. Not attacked. Not called-names.
Thank you for time.
"You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas"
Sen. Davy Crocket to US Congress, Nov. 1, 1835
I often wonder how dumb fundies really are.. and this just goes to show you .. very ...
Oh and for the record I am not a athesist, I am a spiritualist..
Only 'flamers' flame!
Were you in an Apple Store? Did they get out the LSD iMac and show you a thing or two?
Was that the one with the "lickable buttons" the article referred to?
The only athletic sport I ever mastered was backgammon - Douglas William Jerrold
I'm not entirely sure that those observed instances of speciation are really valid for demonstrating macroevolution. Nearly all occurred in a laboratory, and the rest occurred in controlled environments. In order to better demonstrate macroevolution, it would be necessary to show that speciation can occur naturally.
An additional problem is with the very definition of speciation. There is a species of wasp in which, if the male is infected with a particular virus, the gametes are modified such that they are no longer usable. If the male mates, however, with an infected female, the virus in the female changes the incoming gametes such that they can be used again, but changes incoming gametes from a non-infected male such that they cannot be used. Therefore, non-infected wasps can mate, and infected wasps can mate, but a non-infected and an infected wasp cannot. By some definitions, infected and non-infected wasps are now different species, even though no genetic changes have occurred in either.
Ah the age old Pascals wager reason for needing a god. You miss one critical point though as you state if I dont believe in god and there is one then I will spend eternity in hell (or someother equivalent) wheras if you worship a god and are wrong then nothing happens because you are dead anyways. The only question I pose is what if you are worshipping the wrong god? or doing it in the wrong way? Suppose that royally pisses the real almighty voice in the sky and he punishes you for your misadventures with your 'god' when you really should have been worshipping cthulu or the voice that comes from my ass when I am really stoned. Then your only hope is that this mystical being that no sane person ever actually talks to is decently forgiving and would recognize that you didnt know about the one true god that lives in my ass. therefore this all powerful being would also probably realize that it is preposterous to have anyone truly believe in it and hopefully wouldnt punish me for just ignoring its exsistence and living my life as I see fit. Sorry for the rant but I really dislike fundies
My parents had a leaflet explaining how bad harry potter was. One of the characters names was an anagram of diagonal ley. And dont come trick or treating at halloween or they'll try and convert you. It is kinda funny watching, but kinda hard growing up in the middle of it
Most propogandists are not 'good', which is why it never occurred to anybody that this was satire. Pat Robertson, anybody? He gives religion a bad name.
Weigh our two acceptances and your fate will either be one of two things...
1) If you are right, looking back and then nothing, conceding to the end.
2) If God is right, suffering eternally with satan.
False dichotomy. What if we're both wrong? What if I decided to worship your god and it turns out that Baal or Zeus get angry and smite me for worshipping the false christian god?
Read about the many problems with Pascal's wager.
"The Kingdom of Heaven is at Hand". He made that statement ~2,000 years ago and it is still true today. At hand = now. A great many of Jesus' sayings were recorded; very few made the editors' (James and Richard, IYKWIM) cuts. See The Gospel According to Mary Magdelene and The Gospel According to Thomas and you will understand how Jesus' teachings would have prevented all of the tyrannical governments of the last 2,000 years from coming into existence. Someone--Ezra Pound, maybe--said that the purpose of Christianity is to make good Roman citizens. I'm sure Jesus is still rolling over in his grave due to the endless perversion of his teachings by those who claim to be JHVH's authorities on Earth.
It seems much easier to tell everybody else that they will go to hell instead of reflecting on the teachings of your supposed Saviour. Don't forget that your belief system is one of many, and that the teachings have your Saviour have been perverted by Kings, Priests, and Politicians to now mean exactly the opposite of what He said.
"What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
It would appear you intelligence is derived from the same location as your god. ;) Do you dislike everyone who offers a differing point of view to yours? I am sure you have many friends.
But just to humor you and just in case there is someone truly intrigued by your rant...
I go with the God that provides proof. He has proven Himself to me time and time again. Even though He should never have had to. Surely you can relate to accepting proof. What's that? He has never proven Himself to you? Open your eyes. How can He prove Himself to you when you choose to ignore Him?
I could close my eyes to evolutionism and I would not be giving it a fair chance. However, I gave evolutionists the chance to prove their theories to me and they have failed. Have you found the missing link yet? No? I didn't think so. It's funny how you will place your acceptance in a half-baked theory riddled with holes and lacking answers. Yet call me insane for talking to God.
Maybe you should give Him a fair chance?
Joshua 24:15
I seem to recall a usenet group "alt.atheism.satire" (or something like that) which was, at one point anyway, dedicated largely to producing a non-stop stream of articles like this, spoofing/satiring "christian" culture and apologetics and theology.
The amount of vitriolic energy that was poured into that group was pretty amazing. A dozen such articles is a drop in the proverbial bucket.
So, pretty much your saying "I better stay religious just in case cause I don't want that pesky satan to make me suffer later".
Thats cool.
But how do you know yours is right? Lets add a third person to your scenario (we've already got an athiest, and you, a christ-follower): A Muslim.
So, if your right, then are both the muslim and the athiest going to hell? And, though unlikely, what if the muslim faith turns out to be the one true faith? I'll see you in hell, jesus boy.
What it comes down to is that you don't know your religion is more right than any other. The majority of the world beleives in a god other than yours, so by your bible, most people are going to hell. And thats a pretty sad outlook, dude.
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Ha! That was funny! I kid you not, I have never heard of Pascal's Wager before today. But in reading the problems with it, I realize how much effort satan would go through to thwart a basic logic.
Baal or Zues huh? I'll pass. I still like what my God has to offer. Where is the book on those guys anyway? What are their teachings? If they were a powerful god, wouldn't they have made their teachings the most prevelant and available teachings around? Unless of course, they believe in letting people just believe in what they want and run around with no real accord and not get involved. But then, that would mean we are here for their amusement, because they haven't offered us anything to look forward to. Nope, I'm stickin with mine. Thank anyway.
Joshua 24:15
Sad indeed. Better jump on board quick! ;)
Joshua 24:15
Christian rock exists:
POD (sucks)
Jars of Clay (sucks)
DC Talk (sucks)
Third Day (sucks)
Petra (Older) (sucks)
Precious Death (sucks)
Michael W Smith (Well, he sucks, but still)
However, it does all suck .
OK, you win. Evolution is for real. Although evidence is lacking, I concede. God does not exist. Now what?
*Sigh* Evolution is real. We have seen it happen, which is pretty good evidence. However, the fact that evolution happens does not mean that God (if you believe in one) does not exist. You don't have to reject one to accept the other.
I see, so you're of the "Millions of people can't be wrong" camp. Have you ever taken a basic philosphy course? Whether I agree with you or not is irrelevant, your argument is a falacy. It is, in fact, *possible* for millions of people to be wrong. I do recall a historical tail of "scientific evidence" that the world was flat. How many people do you think believed that "absolute truth"? Hmmmm? Your argument needs some strengthening.
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Macintosh humor! MacComedy.com
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SLASHDOT WINS!
No, no. It's better than that. It's technically called the Flower Power iMac, but everyone calls it the Acid Trip iMac.
There should be a moratorium on the use of the apostrophe.
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I see, so you're of the "Millions of people can't be wrong" camp. Have you ever taken a basic philosphy course? Whether I agree with you or not is irrelevant, your argument is a falacy. It is, in fact, *possible* for millions of people to be wrong. I do recall a historical tail of "scientific evidence" that the world was flat. How many people do you think believed that "absolute truth"? Hmmmm? Your argument needs some strengthening.
Actually, that wasn't my argument at all. Of course millions of people can be wrong, considering the number of different religious groups which are each hundreds of millions strong that tell their followers that the millions of people in other groups are wrong. (Clearly, they can't all be right). I don't know how you got a "millions of people can't be wrong" argument from that, "millions of people can't be right" would be more accurate.
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check out the Political Compass. It's much better than this out-dated left-wing, right-wing model.
Sad indeed. Better jump on board quick!
See, the bible doesn't teach love, it teaches guilt, fear, and sorrow. =)
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This has got to be a fake.. I mean DrDinosaur!? For real? I think not.
Even so I laughed so hard my stomach started to hurt.
Argh. You stole my thunder. :) I was going to make the same point. Rabid anti-evolutionists will never understand that evolution is NOT a belief system, and they will never understand that it's certainly not some scientific conspiracy - I haven't seen numbers, but I'd wager that the population of scientists approaches the same levels of faith as the general population.
ObjectiveThought.com (from google)
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includes choice morsels such as:
According to Nature 394:313, a recent survey of members of the National Academy of Sciences showed that 72% are outright atheists, 21% are agnostic and only 7% admit to belief in a personal God.
There is indeed a distinct correlation between dedication to
scientific principles and an absence of religious belief.
So it is a big Satanic conspiracy to wrest the teachings of God from the classrooms! ;-)
How could Apple ask the Church Of Satan to remove their "Made With A Macintosh" logo? Whatever happened to "Think Different"? Fer Chris'sakes Woz & Jobs charged $666.66USD for their first computer! Obviously they are in League With The Devil!
This
Hmm. It seems that 7% hardly approaches the 90% of the general population, so that may say something. However, I am a bit concerned with both the measured population and how it may have been asked - the terminology "personal God" may have markedly changed the outcome. For example, Stephen Hawking mentions God several times in his book (title escapes me at the moment), but I'm not sure that he would have answered that survey as having a belief in a "personal God". Also, and more importantly, since it was one subset of scientists, in this age of Political Correctness and the view that some government folks (and not just in schools) hold towards any public display of faith, the very environment of fear that might have created cannot be discounted.
Even accounting for that, I'm surprised to see these numbers so high. I'd still like to see the results from an anonymous, carefully worded survey of a more general set of scientists.
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Those most prevalent? The Christian God has a long ways to go before that's the case. To top that off, it sure took its sweet time even distributing it the begin with, or bestowing its wonderful son upon man.
Christianity is a minority religion on this planet, even if it's a pseudo-majority in the "West."
When I first opened this story it had 666 +1 comments!!!
It scared the shit out of me!!!
Christian rock blows
The Jesux page was last updated in 1999... Apparently it isn't coming back, either.
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Hypocrisy is the resin that holds the plywood of society together.
-- Scott Meyer
. . . albeit an astonishingly well-executed one. I mean, whoever put this thing together definitely put the time in. They don't link to a single spoof site (with the exception of the Landover site itself, which they claim to be trying to shut down). On the contrary, they link to a large number of genuine Christian sites and had previously been hosted on two authentic Christian hosting services - ilovejesus.com and truepath.com. They also seem to have constructed at least two or three web sites to further the ruse. They left very few direct clues scattered around the site, and the ones that they put in aren't 100% conclusive (i.e. no meta tags spelling out "this is a joke you idiots"). The online store was a nice touch - almost every item in it is oddball enough to make you think "they can't be serious, can they?" and just within-the-realm-of-possibility enough to make you say "well, maybe they're serious." The site is subtle in a lot of places where parodies normally go off the deep end, and that's why it's such an effective troll. Remember that the hallmark of truly great satire is its deadpan quality - the audience should be rolling on the floor laughing, and the satirist should be looking around with a puzzled look saying "what's so funny?"
l - is a bit too ridiculous. Look at the pictures - even though the page has a link for all members to submit photos, presumably netting member photos from all around the country and from at least a few different walks of life, they're all a bit too carefully picked out - they all have the same pose, the same silly expressions, and the same Photoshop-induced sheen/background about them. The bios themselves are a bit too tongue-in-cheek - Timothy Allmon giving a 10% tax-preparation discount "for non-Christians willing to convert on the spot"? Or Pastor Jose Rosas - "Though most of the Pastor's flock are too poor to own computers, they are still a valuable asset for raising the awareness of more affluent Christians"? Dr. Richard Paley, who "has lead successful boycotts against Sears and Piggly-Wiggly"? Fred "Skeet" Hoskins as a recently-appointed "Abstinence Czar"? Every single bio has some detail in it that could be interpreted as satirical, and that's too much of a coincidence for a real organization.
But the site is absolutely, completely, positively, without-a-doubt a hoax. (I'm pretty sure. I think.)
The evidence:
1. The Bios page - http://members.truepath.com/objective/members.htm
2. They slip up and go a bit over the edge a couple of times. In the online store, the description for the "Missionary" Tote Bag featuring Habu (an elephant that would seem to be Hindu, Buddhist, and Hare Krishna all at once) says "Excellent for carrying Bibles and tracts to far off villages!" In the article declaring the Godlessness of shopping malls, the author points out that security guards in need of salvation may be watching you through security cameras as you try to witness to passing shoppers, so "When in view of one of these cameras, hold up inspirational signs and put on pantomime plays for their benefit." Finally, re-read addendums III and IV in the original "Apple" article with an eye cocked for a lampooning author behind the writing. Doesn't he/she seem to be milking the new material for all it's worth?
3. A long shot - The Onion's "astrologist", Lloyd Schummer, is listed as a "Retired Machinist" next to his picture on the Onion's site, and Jim Carlson, the supposed founder of Objective Ministries, is listed as a retired machinist next to his somewhat similar picture on the Objective site.
4. Not such a long shot - many people have pointed out the fact that the source code reveals the tag META name="generator" content="Our Lord Jesus Christ, Who hath generated all". I mean, give me a break. Also, Jack Diamond's address is listed as "diamondjack@nacgt.org", Dr. Troy Franklin's address is "tfranklin@antioccult.org", and the infamous Dr. Richard Paley sports "drdinosaur@covenant.org". A Whois lookup will reveal that nacgt.org and antioccult.org are both unregistered domains, and covenant.org is the site of a Presbyterian rather than a Baptist church. Add to that the idea of a Creationism zealot going by the handle of "drdinosaur", and the e-mail adds look pretty suspicious.
5. Use your head. If you read every single line of every article with the assumption that the whole thing is a send-up of stereotypical fundamentalist Christians (yeah, yeah, I know what assumptions make, but it's just an exercise), there are WAY to many parodical patterns to ignore. Look at the picture of John the Baptist on the Halloween article and Darth Maul's pic in the Mall article. Whoever wrote this stuff has their finger firmly on the pulse of what will make people laugh.
Just my 30 silver pieces worth.
- Mark
'Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.' - Albert Einstein
Can anyone say Slashdot roleplaying? ;)
If any of you had bothered to test out the site, instead of taking it at face value...
First of all, the church staff for Mt. Fellowship Baptist Church is featured prominently in the Bio's section. Fine. So why isn't there a street address and phone number for the church on the site? Not even a city or state listed anywhere!
Second, I actually emailed each one of the members on the Bio's page. Of the 10 listed, SEVEN BOUNCED.
TWO OF THE DOMAINS WEREN'T EVEN REGISTERED.
But hey, Slashdot is all about Christian bashing, though, right? Accuse Christians of being ignorant of scientific facts while being ignorant of facts themselves?
Carry on.
Anarchism is a political ideology that advocates the idea that liberty and socialism are inseperable principles, and that embracing one without the other leads to undesirable circumstances - slavery, tyranny, etc. The anarchist critique goes against both capitalism and marxist-communism, commonly reffered to as "state communism" or "state capitalism".
Anarchism is not about chaos, disorder, throwing bombs, or other typical slanders. Such notions come to us from hostile propaganda, both from capitalists and communists. For example, in 1905 US president William McKinley was assassinated by Leon Cslozag [sp?], who is known to have voted in Republican primaries and was a supporter of the republican party. He was labelled an "anarchist" because it was convenient to demonize the anarchist movement as such.
The ideals of the open source movement do fit in line perfectly with anarchist ones, but this does not mean it is anarchism. It means that there is harmony between the two movements, while open source is constantly "at war" with capitalist industrial forms. It is patently obvious that capitalism is not about "free enterprise", but about the monopoly of control by a dominant class. Such ideas as the "invisible hand" and "free market" are too idiotic and weak to even be regarded as fact on this forum.
To give people some idea of what anarchism is, I can only point to practical anarchists today and of yesterday, and of their accomplishments. There is Noam Chomsky, the former Institute Professor of Linguistics at MIT, and one of the world's most important intellectuals.
Albert Einstein, himself considered an anarchist by the FBI [but not in any way directly involved with the anarchist movement, and more of a socialist] had a brilliant newphew named Karl Einstein. Karl, an influential member of the German dada movement and an intellectual in his own right, was an anarchist Shock Trooper in the famed Durruti Column, during the spanish civil war. Over 2.5 million anarchists were involved in the Spanish Civil war, which saw some anarchists from around the world [like Karl] volunteer with columns to fight fascism, rightly regarded as an extreme extension of capitalism. It is no coincidence that todays anti-fascist groups, ANTIFA, ARA, etc. are almost wholly comprised of anarchists.
Anarchism does not conflict with religious beliefs, it conflicts with socio-economic structures that are created by a society to control and regulate religious beliefs. There are many christian anarchists [Tolstoy a famous mention], who are all opposed to the institutionalized church. [Tolstoy wrote "the kingdom of god is within you" on this premise]. When religious sociological and psychological teachings are not changed to fit cultural developement, they become stagnant and rotten, subjected to the degredations of time.
There are, of course, several anarchists like myself and others in the open source movement. We do not advertise anarchism as a fad, fashion statement, or form of psychological "escapism" from the troubles of everyday life. Many of us work and organise openly as anarchists, and some of us advocate anarchist forms of organisation and developement without calling it "anarchism". it makes no difference either way.
I suggest people check out the anarchist communications network, the TAO federation, www.tao.ca.
"Fight the power and the power fights back, you're only as good as the system you can hack" - MDFMK [when you think system, do not think only in terms of a coded language system. think also in terms of social relations, economic structures, etc.. these are also systems]
The point of the whole "Think Different" campaign obviously wasn't to so people who used Apple computers, thats not even thinking different thats what everyone else tries to do (Look at me, I'm a big famous movie star and even though I don't know a thing about this product, I'll endorse it because they're paying me). The point was that those were all people who THOUGH DIFFERENT, and were not bound by societal norms.
I still think Bono and 2 of the other 3 are recalcitrant Christians wandering in the vanity of the current age, listless...(the 4th member, who always faces a different direction from Bono and the other 2 on album covers and publicity shots, is supposed to be the group's unrepentant unbeliever).
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
Darwin attacked the views of rev. Paley, so I think the name "Richard Paley" may be a pun in itself. Do a Google search for "Darwin Paley" and you'll see..
They moved to a new site due to atheists mac users. The new url is http://objectiveministries.tripod.com/
So fun was poked at the use of BSD's cute daemon. Odd how an educated person, such as the author (?), did not mention the _other_ acceptable definitions of "daemon".
... or has he? I can assure you this: the devil's work it is not.
For your enlightening pleasure: yes, I acknowledge the fact that "daemon"/"demon" _can_ be synonymous. Yet, "daemon" comes from the Greek word "daimon", which means "divine power." In Greek mythology, a daemon is a lesser deity. A daemon can also be considered an attendant spirit, or better yet, a genius! (All definitions from my trusty American Heritage College Dictionary.)
So the author _appears_ to be computer-literate. Apparently not a sponsor of Apple, nor does he seem to be a fan/endorser of Open Source. What does that leave us? A proud registered user of the Micro$oft Cru$ade? Please! Of all people, Bill Gates has not made a pledge to Chri$tianity
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