Wow! That sounds both dirt cheap and really practical, too! You end up spending only $100 at the hardware store (oh yeah, plus $1,000 for the air conditioner) and then spending all weekend building an ugly plywood box that will sit on your desk. And it will take you at least all weekend because the way you described fiberglass batt insulation and the 'hose' used for venting dryers makes it painfully obvious that you're not very familiar with a 'typical hardware store' or how to use the things they sell. Anyway, after that your computer will be totally super quiet and way cool. Too bad that air conditioner right next to it is making so much fucking noise, though.
I am not one of the scholars or lay persons mentioned above, I just had the unfortunate experience of dating someone who was;)
Keep in mind that I've only read a couple essays and excerpts of Campbell's and I'm not the most knowledgable source around, but as others have pointed out, his ideas of the Hero in myth and story telling is exemplified all over the place: Star Wars, The Matrix, Dune, The Hobbit, etc., etc. He didn't invent anything so much as he expertly researched common themes that have always been present throughout history in every culture and compiled his research in a scholarly format.
You already know the Hero myth. Young person is forced into a destiny of greatness, starting with a long journey. There's wisened teachers along the way, trusty friends, challenges and setbacks that shape the Hero, and initial reluctance to fulfill the role fated for him/her. Eventually the Hero comes to accept his/her destiny, gains wisdom, meets the challenge and kills the Big Bad Guy(tm).
There's a lot more to it if you really want to get into it, and the Hero was just one area of myth that Campbell focused on, but you get the general idea. If you want a totally textbook example of the Hero myth read David Edding's fairly wretched but very readable "Belgariad" series. By "readable" I mean it is written at a 10 yr. old's reading level, so you can finish all 5 in about as many days. By "wretched" I mean that he nailed the Hero theme so perfectly that the books come off as a boring cliche.
He has written a lot more than one book. For the lay person (and even many who are closely involved in the field), all scholarly discussion of myth begins and ends with Joseph Campbell's work.
I can't believe I'm adding more bullshit to this idiotic thread, but for fuck's sake, are you really so totally
ignorant of architectural styles that you think the Petronas Towers are Art Deco? Christ, this isn't exactly ancient history, you know.
For your undeserving edification, the architectural style of the Petronas Towers would best be described as a tacky, commercial allusion to the area's Buddhist and Hindu vernacular styling. (That area, btw, would be Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia). Art Deco is a style originating in the 1920's, primarily in the US. It has fuck-all to do with anything in SE Asia.
Copyright infringement is theft, of intellectual property, but I'm sure you've ignored this arguement before. Theft doesn't have to involve a tangible item.
a simple market correction
That's an amusing analogy. I hadn't heard that one before. Does that work for e-books, too? Paperbacks are close to $8 now, but I clearly remember paying $3.50 not too long ago. I'll just download whatever I want and call it a market correction. I'm sure the authors will understand that I'm doing it to protest the evil publishing industry's price hikes.
what else are you going to call voluntary distribution without compensation
Uh, last I checked it was pretty damn involuntary for quite a few musicians. Thankfully, there's a word in the English language for involuntary distribution - Theft.
You are familiar with the concept of a free market, right?
Based on your description, the free market allows me to walk into the nearest Best Buy, grab a wide screen TV, and walk out the door without paying. After all, TV's are expensive and we could really use a market correction in the home electronics industry.
Yes, I use Napster some times, so that makes me a thief as well. Here's the difference between you and I:
I admit to being a thief, and have been one in one form or another for most of my life. I like to buy music, but I also like being able to get music and not pay for it, too. I have downloaded mp3's, I have copied friend's record, tapes & CD's, and I have even shoplifted from time to time as a teenager. I did these things because I like to get music for free. People who take things without paying for them are thieves.
You are also a thief. You can't admit that to yourself though, so you wrap it in some bullshit story about "rights" and "fairness". You can call theft whatever you want, but it is still theft. Read your above post. Your entire justification for stealing music is that RIAA executives and musicians have more money than you. Yes, that is exactly what you said. You whined about price, but tried to make it seem like this somehow exalts you from being a thief. It doesn't. At best it makes you sound like a Marxist advocating the elimination of personal property.
So, unless you really are a staunch Marxist, you are a thief. Quit trying to justify it, because all the arguments about this subject ring hollow to anybody who is honest about what is and what isn't theft.
Holy shit! Are you really claiming that the battle over mp3 pirating could be equivalent in importance to the Vietnam War?!?
Fuck, I have now seen the absolute pinnacle of pathetic justification. Equating the slightly over-priced and admittedly greedy recording industry's practices to the death of thousands and thousands of young men is absolutely the lowest thing I've ever seen on slashdot.
Congratulations. You have scraped absolute bottom.
Why should I pay $10 or more for a bunch of remixes of the same song? If I want remixes, I go to Napster or a similar service.
Well, if I wanted remixes I would pay the $10 dollars so that the person doing the remixing might have a chance to be paid for their work.
Where's the logic in your post? The recording musicians should be paid for what they do, but anyone else - a producer, dj, person from a different band, etc. - should expect to be robbed for their creative efforts?
Fat chance of that happening. This is slashdot, where the staff and readers frequently bash the RIAA for using faulty statistical data analysis, then go and do the same thing themselves.
Once again, it's called hypocrisy. Look at it this way:
The RIAA is distorting numbers in order to make more money by selling more product.
Slashdot and its readers are doing the same to make themselves feel justified about stealing music.
Now seriously, which of those two is a greater wrong? You know the truth, but I'll still get flamed and/or modded to oblivion for suggesting that all these thieves have something other than noble motives for their actions.
All this time I was under the mistaken impression that the web was this huge, diverse place for people with many different interests. I didn't realize that I am supposed to be targeting everything I do towards glitch, and that my only real purpose in life is to make glitch be happy. I am now actively seeking glitch's respect, and I am converting all my HTML to text files which are purely clean and useful content with no frills.
I humbly apologize for my actions in the past - actions which completely failed to take into account that only glitch knows what sort of content other people need to be looking at on their browser. I didn't realize before that the types of web pages that glitch likes are the only ones worth bothering with. I will gladly take up my role as a promoter of the World Wide glitch Web and spread the Gospel according to glitch.
Thank you for making me realize that if glitch doesn't care about it, then nobody else does, either.
You can't leave, Siggy. It just doesn't work. You will stop posting under this account, but you will always be a reader. And eventually (about a month in my experience) you will see something that you just have to reply to.
The reason/. is so successful is because of all the games you can play and all the drama that ensues. The tech news is just an excuse to be here.
If all this fun moderation, hidden sids, outrageous personalities, impersonation, trolling, etc. didn't exist then this would be just another web log that would have already died. We can get our news anywhere. Only slash has the ridiculously disfunctional community of people who thrive on feeling superior to each other.
I'll repeat this, because I can not overstate its importance: If all the things you (and everyone else) complained about didn't exist, then/. also would not exist, at least not in any meaningful form. If people really just wanted small scale, intelligent discussion they would just join a mailing list.
The soap opera drama that is Slashdot is what keeps people here.
The real reason you are "leaving" (like I said, no one really leaves) is because you are tired of being one of the main characters on stage. I don't blame you. You *ahem* "shined" far brighter than any other, and I don't think anyone else will ever achieve your level of notariety here.
So, make your speeches or whatever. You'll be back, and it won't be the news that brings you.
And a footnote for those of you who will disagree with me: I am right. The only reason you don't recognize it is because you are living a lie, trying to convince yourself that you're here for "pure" reasons. It's all a game, so you might as well admit to being a player.
YES! It makes perfect sense because you guys stated that you know more about hacfking than me! YOU are supposed to be the 1337 ones, and I'm the one still learning!
I tjust proves that if you don't have a reason for how I act then it's not
Well you should know that we don't like that ZikZak person because he isn't a 1337 h4x0r like the rest of us. We're totally cool and people worship us!
Yeah, sure, Mr. 31337! Look, I've got better things to do then try to install your geeky Linux crap! Me and my real friends on USENET are too busy doing real trolling instead of this lame slashdot shit!
oooo! Let's start an argument about the GLP!
FUCKING LAME! Nobody gives a shit about your stupid geek humor. Trolling is about having the power to shut down a discussion. Period.
Fucking Troll Collective my ass!!! You and the other two are just a fucking power-hungry clique!
I mean, what's with all these "rules"? Did we fucking vote you into power? I don't think so! And that "training sid" is just insulting! I'm sorry we can't all be as cool and funny as the mighty GNARPHLAGER! Spam is funny, too. You just don't get the joke.
I know there are people on my side! You just wait and see. I'm not bitching, I'm gathering my forces!
Get your head out of the sand! The entertainment industry defines our entire culture, and we must pay attention to how it functions.
Where would we be without the MPAA? Gathered in the kitchen listenting to AM radio while grandma knits a new pair of knickers for junior, that's where!
We need our high-quality entertainment mediums, as they are the primary modes of mass communications available. And since we require DVD, it behooves us to be involved with how it is legislated.
Imagine if we lived in a world where the only choice of movies were sanctioned copies of Police Academy 3 that could only be played on sanctioned hardware!
One of the primary reasons for liscensing was to stop abuse of a limited resource (frequencies). This really isn't analagous to the web, as there is a theoretically limitless supply of bandwidth for internet traffic.
So, since you can call streaming broadcasting, it should never be liscensed like radio and UHF. The reasons for doing so simply don't apply.
Slashdot Mirror
Wow! That sounds both dirt cheap and really practical, too! You end up spending only $100 at the hardware store (oh yeah, plus $1,000 for the air conditioner) and then spending all weekend building an ugly plywood box that will sit on your desk. And it will take you at least all weekend because the way you described fiberglass batt insulation and the 'hose' used for venting dryers makes it painfully obvious that you're not very familiar with a 'typical hardware store' or how to use the things they sell. Anyway, after that your computer will be totally super quiet and way cool. Too bad that air conditioner right next to it is making so much fucking noise, though.
I am not one of the scholars or lay persons mentioned above, I just had the unfortunate experience of dating someone who was
Keep in mind that I've only read a couple essays and excerpts of Campbell's and I'm not the most knowledgable source around, but as others have pointed out, his ideas of the Hero in myth and story telling is exemplified all over the place: Star Wars, The Matrix, Dune, The Hobbit, etc., etc. He didn't invent anything so much as he expertly researched common themes that have always been present throughout history in every culture and compiled his research in a scholarly format.
You already know the Hero myth. Young person is forced into a destiny of greatness, starting with a long journey. There's wisened teachers along the way, trusty friends, challenges and setbacks that shape the Hero, and initial reluctance to fulfill the role fated for him/her. Eventually the Hero comes to accept his/her destiny, gains wisdom, meets the challenge and kills the Big Bad Guy(tm).
There's a lot more to it if you really want to get into it, and the Hero was just one area of myth that Campbell focused on, but you get the general idea. If you want a totally textbook example of the Hero myth read David Edding's fairly wretched but very readable "Belgariad" series. By "readable" I mean it is written at a 10 yr. old's reading level, so you can finish all 5 in about as many days. By "wretched" I mean that he nailed the Hero theme so perfectly that the books come off as a boring cliche.
He has written a lot more than one book. For the lay person (and even many who are closely involved in the field), all scholarly discussion of myth begins and ends with Joseph Campbell's work.
I can't believe I'm adding more bullshit to this idiotic thread, but for fuck's sake, are you really so totally ignorant of architectural styles that you think the Petronas Towers are Art Deco? Christ, this isn't exactly ancient history, you know.
For your undeserving edification, the architectural style of the Petronas Towers would best be described as a tacky, commercial allusion to the area's Buddhist and Hindu vernacular styling. (That area, btw, would be Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia). Art Deco is a style originating in the 1920's, primarily in the US. It has fuck-all to do with anything in SE Asia.
And it's "architects", dumb-ass.
Copyright infringement is theft, of intellectual property, but I'm sure you've ignored this arguement before. Theft doesn't have to involve a tangible item.
a simple market correction
That's an amusing analogy. I hadn't heard that one before. Does that work for e-books, too? Paperbacks are close to $8 now, but I clearly remember paying $3.50 not too long ago. I'll just download whatever I want and call it a market correction. I'm sure the authors will understand that I'm doing it to protest the evil publishing industry's price hikes.
what else are you going to call voluntary distribution without compensation
Uh, last I checked it was pretty damn involuntary for quite a few musicians. Thankfully, there's a word in the English language for involuntary distribution - Theft.
You are familiar with the concept of a free market, right?
Based on your description, the free market allows me to walk into the nearest Best Buy, grab a wide screen TV, and walk out the door without paying. After all, TV's are expensive and we could really use a market correction in the home electronics industry.
Yes, I use Napster some times, so that makes me a thief as well. Here's the difference between you and I:
I admit to being a thief, and have been one in one form or another for most of my life. I like to buy music, but I also like being able to get music and not pay for it, too. I have downloaded mp3's, I have copied friend's record, tapes & CD's, and I have even shoplifted from time to time as a teenager. I did these things because I like to get music for free. People who take things without paying for them are thieves.
You are also a thief. You can't admit that to yourself though, so you wrap it in some bullshit story about "rights" and "fairness". You can call theft whatever you want, but it is still theft. Read your above post. Your entire justification for stealing music is that RIAA executives and musicians have more money than you. Yes, that is exactly what you said. You whined about price, but tried to make it seem like this somehow exalts you from being a thief. It doesn't. At best it makes you sound like a Marxist advocating the elimination of personal property.
So, unless you really are a staunch Marxist, you are a thief. Quit trying to justify it, because all the arguments about this subject ring hollow to anybody who is honest about what is and what isn't theft.
Holy shit! Are you really claiming that the battle over mp3 pirating could be equivalent in importance to the Vietnam War?!?
Fuck, I have now seen the absolute pinnacle of pathetic justification. Equating the slightly over-priced and admittedly greedy recording industry's practices to the death of thousands and thousands of young men is absolutely the lowest thing I've ever seen on slashdot.
Congratulations. You have scraped absolute bottom.
Why should I pay $10 or more for a bunch of remixes of the same song? If I want remixes, I go to Napster or a similar service.
Well, if I wanted remixes I would pay the $10 dollars so that the person doing the remixing might have a chance to be paid for their work.
Where's the logic in your post? The recording musicians should be paid for what they do, but anyone else - a producer, dj, person from a different band, etc. - should expect to be robbed for their creative efforts?
Fat chance of that happening. This is slashdot, where the staff and readers frequently bash the RIAA for using faulty statistical data analysis, then go and do the same thing themselves.
Once again, it's called hypocrisy. Look at it this way:
The RIAA is distorting numbers in order to make more money by selling more product.
Slashdot and its readers are doing the same to make themselves feel justified about stealing music.
Now seriously, which of those two is a greater wrong? You know the truth, but I'll still get flamed and/or modded to oblivion for suggesting that all these thieves have something other than noble motives for their actions.
Yeah, I figured that was a real possibility. Anybody I know want to own up to authorship?
I humbly apologize for my actions in the past - actions which completely failed to take into account that only glitch knows what sort of content other people need to be looking at on their browser. I didn't realize before that the types of web pages that glitch likes are the only ones worth bothering with. I will gladly take up my role as a promoter of the World Wide glitch Web and spread the Gospel according to glitch.
Thank you for making me realize that if glitch doesn't care about it, then nobody else does, either.
The reason /. is so successful is because of all the games you can play and all the drama that ensues. The tech news is just an excuse to be here.
If all this fun moderation, hidden sids, outrageous personalities, impersonation, trolling, etc. didn't exist then this would be just another web log that would have already died. We can get our news anywhere. Only slash has the ridiculously disfunctional community of people who thrive on feeling superior to each other.
I'll repeat this, because I can not overstate its importance: If all the things you (and everyone else) complained about didn't exist, then /. also would not exist, at least not in any meaningful form. If people really just wanted small scale, intelligent discussion they would just join a mailing list.
The soap opera drama that is Slashdot is what keeps people here.
The real reason you are "leaving" (like I said, no one really leaves) is because you are tired of being one of the main characters on stage. I don't blame you. You *ahem* "shined" far brighter than any other, and I don't think anyone else will ever achieve your level of notariety here.
So, make your speeches or whatever. You'll be back, and it won't be the news that brings you.
And a footnote for those of you who will disagree with me: I am right. The only reason you don't recognize it is because you are living a lie, trying to convince yourself that you're here for "pure" reasons. It's all a game, so you might as well admit to being a player.
Just wait till tomorrow...
Coming soon...
This your idea of a final threat? Spam?
Maybe I overestimated you fucks after all...
Real names
Addresses
Phone numbers
etc.
You have much more to lose than I do.
According to you, you have the skills and I don't!
I tjust proves that if you don't have a reason for how I act then it's not
~gnarphlager, posting AC to avoid the karma hit
Oh please! Like you have any real power! You can't touch us because of your fucking rules! I don't need any fucking rules, ok?
Good luck checking your email tonight, asshole!
oooo! Let's start an argument about the GLP!
FUCKING LAME! Nobody gives a shit about your stupid geek humor. Trolling is about having the power to shut down a discussion. Period.
I mean, what's with all these "rules"? Did we fucking vote you into power? I don't think so! And that "training sid" is just insulting! I'm sorry we can't all be as cool and funny as the mighty GNARPHLAGER! Spam is funny, too. You just don't get the joke.
I know there are people on my side! You just wait and see. I'm not bitching, I'm gathering my forces!
Where would we be without the MPAA? Gathered in the kitchen listenting to AM radio while grandma knits a new pair of knickers for junior, that's where!
We need our high-quality entertainment mediums, as they are the primary modes of mass communications available. And since we require DVD, it behooves us to be involved with how it is legislated.
Imagine if we lived in a world where the only choice of movies were sanctioned copies of Police Academy 3 that could only be played on sanctioned hardware!
So, since you can call streaming broadcasting, it should never be liscensed like radio and UHF. The reasons for doing so simply don't apply.