Well, surely it's more probable they'll have the tools and the guts to open their PC, take off the HDD mount it in their other PC (this kind of people always have more than one, yeah surely), which will have to open too, and after the disinfection revert all of that.
Surely that's more probable.
It's not like those are the only two options. I disinfect the vast majority of PCs without removing anything. I unplug it, go to another machine and download tools if I need to, and run something like HijackThis or Malwarebytes to at least start identifying things, then research and get the tools I need to disinfect those specific things and run them on the machine in question. Things like combofix or cwshredder, as far as I'm aware, need to be run directly on the infected machine. But I don't use the infected machine to do the research, I get that thing off the network so that it can't infect anything else.
And I'm definitely not putting that infected drive in my own computer, even if I'm not booting off of it.
I have a 24" 1920x1200 panel... but those are few and far between and some are not so good for gaming or fast movement of black text on white.
I disagree, a year or so ago I bought a pair of these (28 inch 1920x1200) for around $350 each, and set them up exactly as described, one horizontal and one vertical. Both arrived with zero dead pixels, and I use the horizontal one for quite a bit of gaming. The screens look good, the biggest problem is that because they're so big the viewing angle makes the edges start to fade when I'm too close.
I understand that, but without the ability to identify if the specific machine is connected the only way to make sure it's cut off is to cut off the connection. So yes, they would need to go somewhere else to get the tools they need. Or, they could call their ISP, report that the infected machine is not on the network anymore, get service restored, and clean it at home. I bet they're not going to plug that machine in again until it's actually fixed, and that's exactly the point.
Also, isn't port 25 the one used for email sending? How would that work?
The ISP blocks port 25 from leaving its own network. When I send email I have to send to an ISP SMTP server that acts as an open relay for customers on their network. I can send to whatever server I want, but the first hop is through theirs. That's pretty common for home internet accounts, most business accounts don't have anything blocked.
Or you could take the easy way and educate users on how to care for their current computer and install some decent protection on their computer and be smart about browsing?
You think that's the easy way, huh? Who are your users, MIT students?
how the hell do you fix the problem with no internet access? If my desktop were to get infected, I'd use my laptop to look up instructions and/or programs I'd need to clean it.
Sounds like you answered your own question. You don't use the infected computer to fix itself. If the computer is infected then step #1, even before diagnosis, is to remove the machine from any network connections, wired or otherwise. This is especially important in a business environment. If the infected computer is your only access to the internet, take it into a shop and let the pros deal with it. If it's not, spend some time to research the problem, burn the needed tools and documentation onto a CD, and try to clean it yourself.
Continuing to spam the network and reduce everyone else's bandwidth is not the right answer.
I pay them to give me internet access, not run my network.
Right. And their terms say that you're not allowed to send out large quantities of spam, I assume. When your computer starts doing that then the agreement ends, they no longer have to honor their end to provide you with service when you're abusing that service.
Which one, the take picture button? Ever handed a camera to someone and get the "push this button?" look? No, of course not, because you're too young.
I am? What exactly are you assuming you know about me? Tell me, how old am I?
Are you telling me where sound is allowed Mr Dictator?
On the contrary, I'm not trying to tell you what you can and can't do, I'm trying to promote choice. I'm sort of surprised at all the opposition to that.
The only meaning buttons have is what we give them.
Ahh, there it is. But no, the only meaning buttons have on the iPhone are what Apple gave them, not you. You don't have a choice in the matter, and neither do developers.
Honestly, the volume button is far less confusing than every example you gave
Indeed it is. But people still figure out how to use TAB, spacebar, and backspace. They can figure out that a certain button takes a picture when they're using the camera and that it controls the volume when they're not.
My whole point here is that there's no reason why Apple should blanket ban all of this. If someone downloads the camera app, seeing the description that the volume button now controls the shutter, and they're either confused by that or don't like it, they can remove the app. That's their choice. Computers have always been about personal choice. I guess I see those "I'm a Mac" commercials in a different light now. Not only do you "think different", but you also "use your computer only in the prescribed ways". Sounds catchy.
well, if I'm already going to take the abuse of being called a pedant, then I might as well point out that I'm pretty sure "obtusery" isn't an actual word. However, the two of you will soon be added to the total of 43 search results google actually has for the word, so congrats on being one of the first.
Sadly, I can't take credit for a word like "obtusery". I just think that sentence sounds pretty awesome. "Born of obtusery", ha! No, I stole that unattributed quote from someone who was very serious.
The volume buttons are designed to work across the entire OS to continually change either the ringer volume or the volume of the song playing in the background.
But wait, what if I want to turn down the volume of the song and turn up the volume of the ringer? Are you saying that context matters in the sense of what the volume controls do?
Is it really impossible for you to see how changing the functionality of the volume buttons--that previously have worked like every other volume button on the planet--on a per app basis could be a bad idea?
Could be a bad idea? Yeah, I can see how it may be used in incredibly non-intuitive ways. Always a bad idea? On that point I disagree with Apple. It makes perfect sense to use it like a shutter button when you're holding your device like a camera. Again, context matters.
None of those examples removed functionality from other applications.
Neither does the cited camera app. When you're using the camera, the button does one thing. When you're not using the camera, it does something else. Nothing has been removed. Things have only been added. The concept of using one button for multiple actions has been around for as long as computers have had buttons. This is especially prevalent with console games. When you're on one screen a certain button has a certain action, when you're doing something else that button does something completely different. It's all about context. People are in fact intelligent enough to figure this out. Yes, even Apple users.
That's a good point, but the screenshot does look pretty reasonable. It could have been done a lot worse, but it looks like they're at least acknowledging the trust issue.
That being said, it's not difficult to figure out which ISP a certain IP belongs to and for someone to forge these things.
please describe the way you change the volume of the next song, or the volume of the phone call you are currently engaged in, if the reader application has remapped the volume control buttons to be scrolling controls?
It sounds like you can jump out of the reader, change the volume on whatever you want, and go back to the reader.
What's a "volume button"? Is that any different than any other button? Does it have a label on it that says "this button only controls volume, and nothing else, always"?
I don't have a problem with Apple with rejecting an app that subverts the defined usage of a hardware button.
Ha! "Subverts the defined usage of a button". That's very Orwellian of you. Isn't the "defined usage" of a button to be pressed?
I haven't used (or heard of) this app
Yeah, and you won't either, because Apple rejected it. You'll never get to determine, for your own usage scenarios, whether it's more comfortable or natural to press a button on the side of the device to take a picture. You won't have to make that choice for yourself, because Apple has already made it for you.
what does it do if you try to change the volume of your music or phone call when also trying to take a picture?
What do you think it does? It takes a picture. That's why you're using the camera, right? Do you turn on your music, take a phone call, and then start the camera? If you have the camera running and know that the volume button takes a picture, is it going to confuse you when you press the volume button and it takes a picture? Why is this difficult to figure out? Maybe it's better that Apple did make that choice for you if you're confused by things like this.
Your keyboard has a button on it near the bottom that's really long and doesn't have a label. Most of the time, when you're typing sentences, when you press this button it inserts a space character in the text. Do you get confused when you're online and you're using TAB to skip between interface elements, you land on a button, press the space bar, and it "clicks" the button? This key is only supposed to insert spaces into text, right? Why is it also clicking buttons that you've focused? That's madness! And what's the deal with that TAB button, anyway? Sometimes it inserts a bunch of whitespace, and sometimes it changes focus. How can anyone be expected to make any sense of this? And don't even get me started on a backspace key that would cause my browser to go to the previous page. That totally loses me.
It's funny how stupid people are. It's still the Taliban, you're still only earning half XP after a few hours of play - they're just calling it something else so you'll stop bitching.
That's the thing, the models in the game with their movements and voice acting etc are no more "Taliban" than the other side is actually the US Army. They are just little models, with some texturing applied, with a voice track selected, controlled by AI (or not). There's no reason to get angry about whatever they decide to name each side.
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I thought it was funny when I started receiving spams for "Viagra soft tabs". I thought that's what it was supposed to cure.
Well, surely it's more probable they'll have the tools and the guts to open their PC, take off the HDD mount it in their other PC (this kind of people always have more than one, yeah surely), which will have to open too, and after the disinfection revert all of that.
Surely that's more probable.
It's not like those are the only two options. I disinfect the vast majority of PCs without removing anything. I unplug it, go to another machine and download tools if I need to, and run something like HijackThis or Malwarebytes to at least start identifying things, then research and get the tools I need to disinfect those specific things and run them on the machine in question. Things like combofix or cwshredder, as far as I'm aware, need to be run directly on the infected machine. But I don't use the infected machine to do the research, I get that thing off the network so that it can't infect anything else.
And I'm definitely not putting that infected drive in my own computer, even if I'm not booting off of it.
I have a 24" 1920x1200 panel... but those are few and far between and some are not so good for gaming or fast movement of black text on white.
I disagree, a year or so ago I bought a pair of these (28 inch 1920x1200) for around $350 each, and set them up exactly as described, one horizontal and one vertical. Both arrived with zero dead pixels, and I use the horizontal one for quite a bit of gaming. The screens look good, the biggest problem is that because they're so big the viewing angle makes the edges start to fade when I'm too close.
I understand that, but without the ability to identify if the specific machine is connected the only way to make sure it's cut off is to cut off the connection. So yes, they would need to go somewhere else to get the tools they need. Or, they could call their ISP, report that the infected machine is not on the network anymore, get service restored, and clean it at home. I bet they're not going to plug that machine in again until it's actually fixed, and that's exactly the point.
Just boot the infected computer with a life CD, clean its hard disk and reboot. What's the problem with that?
Nothing at all. I'm sure everyone who gets infections also has a live CD sitting around their house.
Pfft, Britan. Glad my ancestors were smart enough
If only they were smart enough to teach you how to spell "Britain".
Some SMTP servers also operate on other ports. Port 587 is pretty common to use as a substitute for 25.
Also, isn't port 25 the one used for email sending? How would that work?
The ISP blocks port 25 from leaving its own network. When I send email I have to send to an ISP SMTP server that acts as an open relay for customers on their network. I can send to whatever server I want, but the first hop is through theirs. That's pretty common for home internet accounts, most business accounts don't have anything blocked.
Or you could take the easy way and educate users on how to care for their current computer and install some decent protection on their computer and be smart about browsing?
You think that's the easy way, huh? Who are your users, MIT students?
how the hell do you fix the problem with no internet access? If my desktop were to get infected, I'd use my laptop to look up instructions and/or programs I'd need to clean it.
Sounds like you answered your own question. You don't use the infected computer to fix itself. If the computer is infected then step #1, even before diagnosis, is to remove the machine from any network connections, wired or otherwise. This is especially important in a business environment. If the infected computer is your only access to the internet, take it into a shop and let the pros deal with it. If it's not, spend some time to research the problem, burn the needed tools and documentation onto a CD, and try to clean it yourself.
Continuing to spam the network and reduce everyone else's bandwidth is not the right answer.
I pay them to give me internet access, not run my network.
Right. And their terms say that you're not allowed to send out large quantities of spam, I assume. When your computer starts doing that then the agreement ends, they no longer have to honor their end to provide you with service when you're abusing that service.
I'm sure you would notice it if it was overlayed on the Slashdot header, for example.
Haha, well done
Which one, the take picture button? Ever handed a camera to someone and get the "push this button?" look? No, of course not, because you're too young.
I am? What exactly are you assuming you know about me? Tell me, how old am I?
Are you telling me where sound is allowed Mr Dictator?
On the contrary, I'm not trying to tell you what you can and can't do, I'm trying to promote choice. I'm sort of surprised at all the opposition to that.
The only meaning buttons have is what we give them.
Ahh, there it is. But no, the only meaning buttons have on the iPhone are what Apple gave them, not you. You don't have a choice in the matter, and neither do developers.
Honestly, the volume button is far less confusing than every example you gave
Indeed it is. But people still figure out how to use TAB, spacebar, and backspace. They can figure out that a certain button takes a picture when they're using the camera and that it controls the volume when they're not.
My whole point here is that there's no reason why Apple should blanket ban all of this. If someone downloads the camera app, seeing the description that the volume button now controls the shutter, and they're either confused by that or don't like it, they can remove the app. That's their choice. Computers have always been about personal choice. I guess I see those "I'm a Mac" commercials in a different light now. Not only do you "think different", but you also "use your computer only in the prescribed ways". Sounds catchy.
well, if I'm already going to take the abuse of being called a pedant, then I might as well point out that I'm pretty sure "obtusery" isn't an actual word. However, the two of you will soon be added to the total of 43 search results google actually has for the word, so congrats on being one of the first.
Sadly, I can't take credit for a word like "obtusery". I just think that sentence sounds pretty awesome. "Born of obtusery", ha! No, I stole that unattributed quote from someone who was very serious.
They are future-proofing the apps, making sure they have enough space for changes they may come up with.
Hmm. I see it more as limiting current innovation by requiring that all apps fit into the lowest common denominator.
Granted, they've gotten along with 1 mouse button for a while. But hey, the times, they are a-changin'.
The volume buttons are designed to work across the entire OS to continually change either the ringer volume or the volume of the song playing in the background.
But wait, what if I want to turn down the volume of the song and turn up the volume of the ringer? Are you saying that context matters in the sense of what the volume controls do?
Is it really impossible for you to see how changing the functionality of the volume buttons--that previously have worked like every other volume button on the planet--on a per app basis could be a bad idea?
Could be a bad idea? Yeah, I can see how it may be used in incredibly non-intuitive ways. Always a bad idea? On that point I disagree with Apple. It makes perfect sense to use it like a shutter button when you're holding your device like a camera. Again, context matters.
None of those examples removed functionality from other applications.
Neither does the cited camera app. When you're using the camera, the button does one thing. When you're not using the camera, it does something else. Nothing has been removed. Things have only been added. The concept of using one button for multiple actions has been around for as long as computers have had buttons. This is especially prevalent with console games. When you're on one screen a certain button has a certain action, when you're doing something else that button does something completely different. It's all about context. People are in fact intelligent enough to figure this out. Yes, even Apple users.
That's a good point, but the screenshot does look pretty reasonable. It could have been done a lot worse, but it looks like they're at least acknowledging the trust issue.
That being said, it's not difficult to figure out which ISP a certain IP belongs to and for someone to forge these things.
please describe the way you change the volume of the next song, or the volume of the phone call you are currently engaged in, if the reader application has remapped the volume control buttons to be scrolling controls?
It sounds like you can jump out of the reader, change the volume on whatever you want, and go back to the reader.
It's a volume button.
What's a "volume button"? Is that any different than any other button? Does it have a label on it that says "this button only controls volume, and nothing else, always"?
I don't have a problem with Apple with rejecting an app that subverts the defined usage of a hardware button.
Ha! "Subverts the defined usage of a button". That's very Orwellian of you. Isn't the "defined usage" of a button to be pressed?
I haven't used (or heard of) this app
Yeah, and you won't either, because Apple rejected it. You'll never get to determine, for your own usage scenarios, whether it's more comfortable or natural to press a button on the side of the device to take a picture. You won't have to make that choice for yourself, because Apple has already made it for you.
what does it do if you try to change the volume of your music or phone call when also trying to take a picture?
What do you think it does? It takes a picture. That's why you're using the camera, right? Do you turn on your music, take a phone call, and then start the camera? If you have the camera running and know that the volume button takes a picture, is it going to confuse you when you press the volume button and it takes a picture? Why is this difficult to figure out? Maybe it's better that Apple did make that choice for you if you're confused by things like this.
Your keyboard has a button on it near the bottom that's really long and doesn't have a label. Most of the time, when you're typing sentences, when you press this button it inserts a space character in the text. Do you get confused when you're online and you're using TAB to skip between interface elements, you land on a button, press the space bar, and it "clicks" the button? This key is only supposed to insert spaces into text, right? Why is it also clicking buttons that you've focused? That's madness! And what's the deal with that TAB button, anyway? Sometimes it inserts a bunch of whitespace, and sometimes it changes focus. How can anyone be expected to make any sense of this? And don't even get me started on a backspace key that would cause my browser to go to the previous page. That totally loses me.
Do these same people call lasertag guns "illumination devices"?
The preferred nomenclature is "pointers".
Thanks for the new sig, that's a good one.
It's funny how stupid people are. It's still the Taliban, you're still only earning half XP after a few hours of play - they're just calling it something else so you'll stop bitching.
That's the thing, the models in the game with their movements and voice acting etc are no more "Taliban" than the other side is actually the US Army. They are just little models, with some texturing applied, with a voice track selected, controlled by AI (or not). There's no reason to get angry about whatever they decide to name each side.