Columbine, Oklahoma City, Hitler's birthday and some strange smell in the air every year.
The reason is self evident. The ghost of Hitler returns from the grave every year and causes mayhem... On a related note, I sell a Hitler repelling hexagram pendant.
Who cares what about Iran's rights? This is geopolitics and thermonuclear war we are talking about, not kindergarten share time. The current nuclear weapons situation is stable. A constellation of countries possess them and their interests and ideologies mean that they will, for the foreseeable future, keep each other from ever using them.
Iran getting the bomb would make this situation less stable, and therefore we should prevent it from happening. Period.
Yes... the do as we say, not as we do approach. The U.S. is the daddy and mammy nation for the whole planet....
The U.S. excels at making every situation less stable. Look at any of its foreign policy moves over the last 100 years, above or below board.... Maybe we can figure out how to install a puppet government in Iran that relies on us to survive... wait we did that and it totally fucked up the whole area. Turn on your TV or read the newspaper, every nation in the Middle East and North Africa is rebelling against those the U.S. supported or put into power directly. Look at Iraq a war, where we basically fought against ourselves, Hussein was our man. How about the Afghan war where we supported and armed the brutal and murderous Taliban just because we didn't like the commies. Look at Latin America where we pulled the exact same shit. Installing non-democratic brutal dictators. Yes the U.S. is wonderful and always in right. How could anyone hate us? We bring freedom and justice wherever we go. HONEST.
The U.S. is not some kind of HERO nation. It's just a nation like any other and has no right to invade or bully anyone. It's alright though because China is the next superpower and America is about to get ass raped. Just like they have been doing to others for years... What goes around comes around.
The sad thing with America is that all the hate they have created in the world isn't going to go away after they fall from power. But hay as soon as the Chinese take over all of you true believer patriots can eat a bullet and not worry about starving people willing to strap a bomb to themselves...
I'm pretty sure we didn't fire a shot in the cold war. Was that not entirely and completely a diplomatic action? This whole thing is about the fact that Iran wants to militarily crush Isreal, not just beat them peacefully. I'm pretty sure at no point was our goal to flatten Russia and drive them in to the sea.
We had the exact same goal and it was discuses at length... but we couldn't do it because they had the bomb.... That might be why Iran would like to have a few.... They know that just as soon as the oil starts drying up that we'll be coming for them...
Yes the Iranians are the new Nazi's... They even invaded Poland last week and are quickly moving toward France as we speak.
We should bomb them now before they have a chance to do something we don't like because they are evil godless, soulless monsters. Never mind the fact that WE are exactly the same, WORSE honestly. We went into their democrat country and installed a brutal dictator. Now we're unset that they don't like us and our best friend, who we have armed with our very best atomic weapons! Gee... if I was them I wouldn't be in the least bit worried that we wouldn't come back to finish what we started... Namely to rape their natural resources and leave them to die...
It's always the same, we are the good guys and everyone else are monsters bent on destroying the world.... grow the fuck up...
Holy shit, the stupidity on/. these days is completely beyond words. Gosh thanks for telling us what everyone already knows and yet somehow completely ignores the topic at hand.
But yet still has the fire power to destroy the world several times over...
No comment on the first part of the post hu? figures..
[citation needed]
You need a citation to know that 10,000 atomic weapons is enough to destroy the world? fuck it... you win man... No really... good job, the US gets to keep it's 10,000+ stock pile and everyone else can keep their 0 stockpile...
The US swore to destroy the evil empire that was the USSR, The UN should go into the US and take all of their weapons of mass destruction ASAP.
Bringing down a political structure and eliminating an entire people group are more than a little bit different.
Yet both involve forcing others to conform to your ideals or die. Plus my reply to grandparent involved nation states, please re-read his post then mine.
You do realize that a majority of UN Troops are from the US right? The US also pours more funds into the UN than any other country. If memory serves, the UN was also founded in large part by the US.
My point being is that the UN would be severely weakened without the US. I don't think the UN will start making such demands as "nuclear demilitarization" any time soon... Especially with countries such as Iran and North Korea actively seeking nukes themselves.
At least the countries who do have nukes (at present) understand the concept of MAD.
PS: Get you facts straight... or your point... or your sense of reality.
(can't believe I bothered to reply at all now that it's typed)
Peaceful nations representative by some type of democracy (any form of governance where the people are well represented) which provides for stability, both economically and sociologically, deserve nuclear weapons.
Haha
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, on August 19, 1953 (known as the 28 Mordad coup[1] in Iran), was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States as operation TPAJAX.[2] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rez Shh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on U.S. support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[3]
Well then. According to your dipshit logic then I to have a right to become a nuclear power. How about you recognize a crazy fuck country when you see one. Iran should never have nuclear weapons. North Korea should never have been allowed to create nuclear weapons. Pakistan should never have been allowed nuclear weapons. India I am not so sure about. France I am not worried about as their nuclear weapons are really just a tool for whomever invades them next for the auto win. China and the former USSR were to fucking big to start a war over to prevent them from getting it.
So who put you in charge of the world and who can do what in it? What makes you think that the US doesn't make millions of people in other lands suffer and die for PROFIT.... My logic is that the US is not some magic HERO or protector but a nation like any other. The only thing any nation cares about is itself.
The draft report, which exceeds 100 pages, deals with a range of legal issues related to interrogations, offering definitions of the degree of pain or psychological manipulation that could be considered lawful. But at its core is an exceptional argument that because nothing is more important than "obtaining intelligence vital to the protection of untold thousands of American citizens," normal strictures on torture might not apply
In addition, the report advised that torture or homicide could be justified as "self-defense," should an official "honestly believe" it was necessary to head off an imminent attack on the U.S. The self-defense doctrine generally has been asserted by individuals fending off assaults, and in 1890, the Supreme Court upheld a U.S. deputy marshal's right to shoot an assailant of Supreme Court Justice Stephen Field as involving both self-defense and defense of the nation. Citing Justice Department opinions, the report concluded that "if a government defendant were to harm an enemy combatant during an interrogation in a manner that might arguably violate criminal prohibition," he could be justified "in doing so in order to prevent further attacks on the United States by the al Qaeda terrorist network."
For members of the military, the report suggested that officials could escape torture convictions by arguing that they were following superior orders, since such orders "may be inferred to be lawful" and are "disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate." Examining the "superior orders" defense at the Nuremberg trials of Nazi war criminals, the Vietnam War prosecution of U.S. Army Lt. William Calley for the My Lai massacre and the current U.N. war-crimes tribunals for Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia, the report concluded it could be asserted by "U.S. armed forces personnel engaged in exceptional interrogations except where the conduct goes so far as to be patently unlawful."
Just fine thank you? The US has been reducing nuclear capacity for 30 years...
But yet still has the fire power to destroy the world several times over... Not to mention they have been creating larger and larger conventional weapons that rival that of atomic ones.
FTA: "Siemens should explain why and how it provided the enemies with the information about the codes of the SCADA software and prepared the ground for a cyber attack against us,"
Define 'enemies', please. From the rest of the world's POV, Siemens should explain why and how it provided the enemy with equipment that could be used to make nuclear weapons.
Iran has as much right as the US does to make nuclear weapons.
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Wait wasn't this impossible like a week ago?
I use Hitler's ghost like the boogie man to scare my children.
So do news reporters! w.i.e.r.d
I know right.. just like global warming...
Columbine, Oklahoma City, Hitler's birthday and some strange smell in the air every year.
The reason is self evident. The ghost of Hitler returns from the grave every year and causes mayhem... On a related note, I sell a Hitler repelling hexagram pendant.
I refuse to believe in any intelligence report where they repeatedly misspell the topic of the report, namely chemical materiel, haha.
A better motto would be: Intelligence Reports for those with sub 80 IQs written by those with sub 80 IQs.
Sub 80 IQ? do you even know what that means? Some how I don't think you do....
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_U.S._chemical_weapons_topics
Who cares what about Iran's rights? This is geopolitics and thermonuclear war we are talking about, not kindergarten share time. The current nuclear weapons situation is stable. A constellation of countries possess them and their interests and ideologies mean that they will, for the foreseeable future, keep each other from ever using them.
Iran getting the bomb would make this situation less stable, and therefore we should prevent it from happening. Period.
Yes... the do as we say, not as we do approach. The U.S. is the daddy and mammy nation for the whole planet. ...
The U.S. excels at making every situation less stable. Look at any of its foreign policy moves over the last 100 years, above or below board.... Maybe we can figure out how to install a puppet government in Iran that relies on us to survive... wait we did that and it totally fucked up the whole area. Turn on your TV or read the newspaper, every nation in the Middle East and North Africa is rebelling against those the U.S. supported or put into power directly. Look at Iraq a war, where we basically fought against ourselves, Hussein was our man. How about the Afghan war where we supported and armed the brutal and murderous Taliban just because we didn't like the commies. Look at Latin America where we pulled the exact same shit. Installing non-democratic brutal dictators. Yes the U.S. is wonderful and always in right. How could anyone hate us? We bring freedom and justice wherever we go. HONEST.
The U.S. is not some kind of HERO nation. It's just a nation like any other and has no right to invade or bully anyone. It's alright though because China is the next superpower and America is about to get ass raped. Just like they have been doing to others for years... What goes around comes around.
The sad thing with America is that all the hate they have created in the world isn't going to go away after they fall from power. But hay as soon as the Chinese take over all of you true believer patriots can eat a bullet and not worry about starving people willing to strap a bomb to themselves...
But more importantly, never get involved in a land war in Asia...
*thinks about it for a minute*
Aw crap...
Well never get involved in one land war in Asia, nothing wrong with getting involved in three at the same time!
I'm pretty sure we didn't fire a shot in the cold war. Was that not entirely and completely a diplomatic action? This whole thing is about the fact that Iran wants to militarily crush Isreal, not just beat them peacefully. I'm pretty sure at no point was our goal to flatten Russia and drive them in to the sea.
We had the exact same goal and it was discuses at length... but we couldn't do it because they had the bomb.... That might be why Iran would like to have a few.... They know that just as soon as the oil starts drying up that we'll be coming for them...
Yes the Iranians are the new Nazi's... They even invaded Poland last week and are quickly moving toward France as we speak.
We should bomb them now before they have a chance to do something we don't like because they are evil godless, soulless monsters. Never mind the fact that WE are exactly the same, WORSE honestly. We went into their democrat country and installed a brutal dictator. Now we're unset that they don't like us and our best friend, who we have armed with our very best atomic weapons! Gee... if I was them I wouldn't be in the least bit worried that we wouldn't come back to finish what we started... Namely to rape their natural resources and leave them to die...
It's always the same, we are the good guys and everyone else are monsters bent on destroying the world.... grow the fuck up...
Holy shit, the stupidity on /. these days is completely beyond words. Gosh thanks for telling us what everyone already knows and yet somehow completely ignores the topic at hand.
Fucking idiot.
Your welcome!
[citation needed]
You need a citation to know that 10,000 atomic weapons is enough to destroy the world? fuck it... you win man... No really... good job, the US gets to keep it's 10,000+ stock pile and everyone else can keep their 0 stockpile...
Yes it's only taken them how many years now to destroy those World War I era weapons?
The US swore to destroy the evil empire that was the USSR, The UN should go into the US and take all of their weapons of mass destruction ASAP.
Bringing down a political structure and eliminating an entire people group are more than a little bit different.
Yet both involve forcing others to conform to your ideals or die. Plus my reply to grandparent involved nation states, please re-read his post then mine.
You do realize that a majority of UN Troops are from the US right? The US also pours more funds into the UN than any other country. If memory serves, the UN was also founded in large part by the US.
My point being is that the UN would be severely weakened without the US. I don't think the UN will start making such demands as "nuclear demilitarization" any time soon... Especially with countries such as Iran and North Korea actively seeking nukes themselves.
At least the countries who do have nukes (at present) understand the concept of MAD.
PS: Get you facts straight... or your point... or your sense of reality.
(can't believe I bothered to reply at all now that it's typed)
I'm sorry I forgot this tag... /SARCASM
destroyed.
Peaceful nations representative by some type of democracy (any form of governance where the people are well represented) which provides for stability, both economically and sociologically, deserve nuclear weapons.
Haha
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, on August 19, 1953 (known as the 28 Mordad coup[1] in Iran), was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States as operation TPAJAX.[2] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rez Shh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on U.S. support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[3]
The US still has stock piles of chemical weapons as well... But they will get around to destroying them.. One day.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/cbw/cw.htm
Well then. According to your dipshit logic then I to have a right to become a nuclear power.
How about you recognize a crazy fuck country when you see one.
Iran should never have nuclear weapons.
North Korea should never have been allowed to create nuclear weapons.
Pakistan should never have been allowed nuclear weapons.
India I am not so sure about.
France I am not worried about as their nuclear weapons are really just a tool for whomever invades them next for the auto win.
China and the former USSR were to fucking big to start a war over to prevent them from getting it.
So who put you in charge of the world and who can do what in it? What makes you think that the US doesn't make millions of people in other lands suffer and die for PROFIT.... My logic is that the US is not some magic HERO or protector but a nation like any other. The only thing any nation cares about is itself.
Not to mention they have been creating larger and larger conventional weapons that rival that of atomic ones.
Non Sequiter. Has nothing to do with nuclear disarmament or non-proliferation.
No comment on the first part of the post hu? figures..
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0607-01.htm
The draft report, which exceeds 100 pages, deals with a range of legal issues related to interrogations, offering definitions of the degree of pain or psychological manipulation that could be considered lawful. But at its core is an exceptional argument that because nothing is more important than "obtaining intelligence vital to the protection of untold thousands of American citizens," normal strictures on torture might not apply
In addition, the report advised that torture or homicide could be justified as "self-defense," should an official "honestly believe" it was necessary to head off an imminent attack on the U.S. The self-defense doctrine generally has been asserted by individuals fending off assaults, and in 1890, the Supreme Court upheld a U.S. deputy marshal's right to shoot an assailant of Supreme Court Justice Stephen Field as involving both self-defense and defense of the nation. Citing Justice Department opinions, the report concluded that "if a government defendant were to harm an enemy combatant during an interrogation in a manner that might arguably violate criminal prohibition," he could be justified "in doing so in order to prevent further attacks on the United States by the al Qaeda terrorist network."
For members of the military, the report suggested that officials could escape torture convictions by arguing that they were following superior orders, since such orders "may be inferred to be lawful" and are "disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate." Examining the "superior orders" defense at the Nuremberg trials of Nazi war criminals, the Vietnam War prosecution of U.S. Army Lt. William Calley for the My Lai massacre and the current U.N. war-crimes tribunals for Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia, the report concluded it could be asserted by "U.S. armed forces personnel engaged in exceptional interrogations except where the conduct goes so far as to be patently unlawful."
Iran has as much right as the US does to make nuclear weapons.
Not according to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty they signed.
Like the US hasn't ignored treaties they have signed....
Just fine thank you? The US has been reducing nuclear capacity for 30 years...
But yet still has the fire power to destroy the world several times over... Not to mention they have been creating larger and larger conventional weapons that rival that of atomic ones.
No nation whose leader has sworn to destroy another nation has the right to have any sort of weapons at all.
The US swore to destroy the evil empire that was the USSR, The UN should go into the US and take all of their weapons of mass destruction ASAP.
Every nation state wants power. The more the better...
FTA: "Siemens should explain why and how it provided the enemies with the information about the codes of the SCADA software and prepared the ground for a cyber attack against us,"
Define 'enemies', please. From the rest of the world's POV, Siemens should explain why and how it provided the enemy with equipment that could be used to make nuclear weapons.
Iran has as much right as the US does to make nuclear weapons.
Really, all they have to do is keep saying what they're going to do, and the problem is going to go away on its own, eventually...
So what you're saying is Mr Freemen will take care of it?