I believe there is an ethical way for Facebook experiment with the feelings of the users. It starts with taking them out to a dinner and a movie, and you know, see how it goes from there on.
Yea, listen to sales indeed. It's only "dirty laundry" if you advertise it as such. Bug tracking systems are a collaborative medium where the world can help your product become more stable, and you're honest about what you overlooked. It's a win-win in the Tech world, but apparently a negative in the paranoid sales world.
Firstly, I'm not convinced Facebook can be compared to OKCupid as far as their website identity is concerned.
I think the problem lies in the amount of uninformed experimentation in a given time period and how it effects the individual.
To some people, a barking dog at night is mental torture, or shining a light in someone's house really bothers them. Others can easily ignore lights and dogs and have a great night's sleep. It becomes an issue when a single individual who is bothered by it has to deal with 4 constant lights, 12 constantly barking dogs, and 1 person following you around scratching their nails on a chalk board all day (Got the phone app?). None of these sites bother to ask if anything bothers the user before testing it on them. Imagine the shittiest day you ever had, relative(s) died, lost that business deal, divorced all on the same day and say you also sat on your cat and smushed it.
You sit in front of Facebook and it starts reciting, "Nevermoore!" you might want to kill yourself, and Facebook would have been the last straw.
People don't expect such behavior from websites, because they misrepresent themselves. They keep these interactions as secrets, even porn sites have the decency to ask you, "Do you like man on man action?" before shoving a dong picture in front of your face.
I'm not sure how the two categories relate. One could be fairly digitally literate and still see no reason to "trust the Internet" a given country is running. Or as Geroge W. Bush put it, the Internets. (On an unrelated side note, I never knew how much of a visionary Dubya was, not only was the Internets comment correct in the future, so is the thought that if we went into Iraq today we'd be greeted as liberators. Man of the future that one.
If they can't even get a 3-year sentence to stick on an "uneducated, immature soccer mom", what chance do they have against high ranking officials that will be even harder to pin down anyway?
You nailed the issue on the head. The only solution to this is to guard your data and not allow government intrusion into people's lives. It may be legal to bully people to suicide or make them mad enough to break the law but the real issue is the ability of the government or any other corporate force to have easy access to one's Facebook, or cellphone data. This is why guarding your data is extremely important, to ward off against these kind of abuses. I think Aaron might have still been alive if the prosecutor didn't have access to Godly surveillence powers and an apparently infinite budget. (They took his Rock Band controller, seriously?) But believe me there is no money in doing the right thing, so the solution seems to be obvious, get rich (an option which is totally easy and available for everyone), or join a team of hackers... err surveillence experts. Either with 'em or against them, can't be left alone anymore. Also if you think this is just the U.S. you'd be wrong. All these X Eyes countries are following within the footsteps of turning the world into a large satellite dish, all in the benefit of a handful of individuals and illusion of safety. It's theatre, and you're in it.
I think as long as kids can focus and trust their environment learning won't be impacted. I mean think about how we first learn a language, we simply match patterns that we think are related, then we test them and record the results. If one cannot trust their environment they will stop pattern matching, if one is discouraged from making mistakes while testing, the will to learn will be broken. One thing I would say would be to let kids also watch long movies, the 5 minute YouTube attention span really spreads the knowledge tree into smaller chunks which then makes it harder to relate, again effecting learning. So yea, love, focus and trust oughta do the trick everytime.
In one hand I think, really? Sony is making the story of Snowden? The ones who pretty much made it okay to hack if you're a big enough entity, but not so much if you're a single person. They were the original rootkitters.
On the other hand I think, good for them, it's what the kids are into nowdays right? Freedom and rights and stuff? It's gotta sell, a contravertial topic!
Although, the bottom line is there isn't much of a movie to be made out of this since it's still not a thing of the past, I'd personally wait a decade or two until it becomes history. The people who thought it would be brilliant to argue "Why do you need privacy?" until they run off with billions are still making those billions:) Really, how is this different than confession booths? Thank you father facebook.
This is simple, and brilliant. Also much better than injecting an NFC tag under your skin, which was the previous approach to the same idea last I read. Kind of the downside of a male dominated tech industry, nobody thinks up stuff like nail polish:)
to legal but privacy-unfriendly purposes by commercial enterprises
How about we look at some ratios in statistics. How many people's "right to be left alone" have we violated vs. the good this has done? I bet you the number is staggeringly leaning towards violation of people's privacy and state of mind. If you want historical proof about how bothersome this might be, read about World War II Jewish survivors of Nazi Germany, and see how they rated lack of privacy in their list of uncomfortable things they were subject to. Citizen life isn't military, and I for one don't want to be monitored 24/7, it cheapens human life and discourages open and clear communication, not to mention generating paranoia and most likely causing physical harm to those with schizophrenia. Privacy-unfriendly falls a little short of describing the negatives.
The mind indeed doesn't have to be logical. I'm not sure why a 0 dimensional dot is not a good comparison for the mind as it was the mind that both came up with religion and science. The mind can entertain paradoxes, Universe cannot. Also the shipwrecked part is from Einstein. Now I don't know what he was smoking but sounds like it did him well.
Consider for a moment what choice truly is. If I quickly asked you to choose between two colors on pieces of paper, red or green? You might have a choice in mind. But then if you saw me ask you with hesitation while looking at red for example, then a whole host of other influences come to be. You might think I'm trying to make you pick green and pick red, or think I'm trying to make you think I'm trying to make you pick green, and pick green just to spite me.
There need not be any logic to choice, sometimes there is, hopefully most of the time there is. But I could be thinking about red apples the day before, and even though "RED apple" might be my thing, you never know what color I'm going to pick with absolute certainty by a simulation. You can only guess and it would be the same statistical probability of 50/50 with, or without preexisting data.
Now have fun coding that.
Consciousness goes beyond just mathematical equations, Math is based on symmetry, life not so much. Consciousness came all the way from the chaos of the quantum world, up into our classical physics and symmetry which survived impossible conditions to end up a mammal which calls itself human and writes so on Slashdot. Best we're going to get is a human like AI, which is enough to convince some folk but will fall short in insight and creativity, it will be a logic machine, just a very complex one.
Assume the world is in brink of total annihilation, you ask an AI to pick who gets to live from the leaders of 2 opposing forces to decide the fate of the human race. Human 1 or Human 2, it makes some value judgements and decides based on its understanding of its data. Turns out survival really depended on a pollen which made the chosen human sneeze and press a button at the right time.
How do we deal with such interrelated complexity of the Universe? Insight, we feel and make the right choice. Once again, good luck coding that. Mind is like a 0 dimensional dot, it's infinitely large and infinitely small, but only as small as the smallest pen we have today. Anyone who thinks the human consciousness is coming up as the next big Google thing is just asking to be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.
The only way to truly show why we need privacy is to openly display its power. If I knew about your every eye movement, facial gestures, your online activity and profiles, your health record, your breathing rate, your heart rate, and be able to influence your responses, I could very much effect your mood. I'm thinking about writing a game to relax and/or scare people, and put warning labels such as, "Don't play for more than X hours, this game might drive you to insanity etc." It would get people thinking about what we communicate digitally and why it's important to have privacy.
Sure, and if you remember during WWII it wasn't just the Germans killing Jews, others also joined in, "others are doing it" is no excuse for a government agency but rather a teen trying to drink alcohol. The point is it seems to me like the agency is out of control, they aren't accomplishing anything and hoovering up billions to catch imaginary enemies. They are creating hatred within our borders by infiltrating World of Warcraft etc. it's just bunch of wannabe geeks when being geeks became cool, who simply use the tools given due to a really extensive budget.
The amount of information one could gather about a person simply from their cellphone is outright scary. Shine a light to your eyes until you see that green spot, and start reading something. Notice how that spot lands on exactly the word you are reading. Using the front facing camera and a constant screenshot stream from your phone and I could even tell how you feel about certain words to some extent.
It's possible that someone you haven't met could know everything about you, and you'd never know that they do.
In a day and age when just about every app gets permission to your camera and GPS location, and most people just press "Install" as a habit, I'm truly glad we're having this conversation.
Hey, if we can claim a corporate entity has a right to personhood, an imaginary concept, I don't see why a real live mammal would be excluded from it. They screwed the pooch when they agreed that anything other than a person is also a person. Anything alive can communicate in some way shape or form even if it's a basic thing like, "I require sustenance" (A plant moving towards sunlight would be a plant "communicating" intentionally or not that it needs more sunlight). So way to go, lets go back to agreeing that people are people, money is money and speech is speech.
-Are you playing games Bob?
-No sir, just looking for terrorists on WoW.
-What have you found so far?
-Well, a few quest items, still trying to level up, they don't talk to n00bs.
-Carry on.
I am middle-class, disillusioned, Muslim, male, single and approaching middle age. Thankfully I don't play WoW, nor do I facebook, and exactly for these reasons. I got into a fight in highschool for being from Turkey during 9/11 because one kid decided to scream, "Turkey did it!", you know, they're all the same those brown bastards. Now I fear that guy might be employed by the pick-your-3-letter-agency, and no I'm not going to be like Yakov Smirnoff and walk around with a flag pin to show my patriotism, and I hope this insanity will stop before we reach the "burn a number on your skin" stage, I'm hoping even way before, lets round up all the Japanese stage.
Better yet, get a new job but keep in touch with your current management. Seeing how better you are doing, and how under handed they are will get them to make a wise decision. It's like teasing your old girlfriend with the new girl, but totally works.
Make it mandatory to wear Google Glasses and an EEG. Oh and you're not allowed to turn it off. You know, like cellphones, can't take out the battery either.
Slashdot Mirror
Finally.
I believe there is an ethical way for Facebook experiment with the feelings of the users. It starts with taking them out to a dinner and a movie, and you know, see how it goes from there on.
Yea, listen to sales indeed. It's only "dirty laundry" if you advertise it as such. Bug tracking systems are a collaborative medium where the world can help your product become more stable, and you're honest about what you overlooked. It's a win-win in the Tech world, but apparently a negative in the paranoid sales world.
Firstly, I'm not convinced Facebook can be compared to OKCupid as far as their website identity is concerned.
I think the problem lies in the amount of uninformed experimentation in a given time period and how it effects the individual.
To some people, a barking dog at night is mental torture, or shining a light in someone's house really bothers them. Others can easily ignore lights and dogs and have a great night's sleep. It becomes an issue when a single individual who is bothered by it has to deal with 4 constant lights, 12 constantly barking dogs, and 1 person following you around scratching their nails on a chalk board all day (Got the phone app?). None of these sites bother to ask if anything bothers the user before testing it on them. Imagine the shittiest day you ever had, relative(s) died, lost that business deal, divorced all on the same day and say you also sat on your cat and smushed it.
You sit in front of Facebook and it starts reciting, "Nevermoore!" you might want to kill yourself, and Facebook would have been the last straw.
People don't expect such behavior from websites, because they misrepresent themselves. They keep these interactions as secrets, even porn sites have the decency to ask you, "Do you like man on man action?" before shoving a dong picture in front of your face.
I'm not sure how the two categories relate. One could be fairly digitally literate and still see no reason to "trust the Internet" a given country is running. Or as Geroge W. Bush put it, the Internets. (On an unrelated side note, I never knew how much of a visionary Dubya was, not only was the Internets comment correct in the future, so is the thought that if we went into Iraq today we'd be greeted as liberators. Man of the future that one.
Lol I did this via QRCode videos, a bit outdated this thought, but it does remind me of the torches from the Lord of the Rings movie :)
http://slashdot.org/firehose.p...
French Mirror:
http://www.clubic.com/insolite...
Russian Mirror:
http://www.imena.ua/blog/datai...
If they can't even get a 3-year sentence to stick on an "uneducated, immature soccer mom", what chance do they have against high ranking officials that will be even harder to pin down anyway?
You nailed the issue on the head. The only solution to this is to guard your data and not allow government intrusion into people's lives. It may be legal to bully people to suicide or make them mad enough to break the law but the real issue is the ability of the government or any other corporate force to have easy access to one's Facebook, or cellphone data. This is why guarding your data is extremely important, to ward off against these kind of abuses. I think Aaron might have still been alive if the prosecutor didn't have access to Godly surveillence powers and an apparently infinite budget. (They took his Rock Band controller, seriously?) But believe me there is no money in doing the right thing, so the solution seems to be obvious, get rich (an option which is totally easy and available for everyone), or join a team of hackers... err surveillence experts. Either with 'em or against them, can't be left alone anymore. Also if you think this is just the U.S. you'd be wrong. All these X Eyes countries are following within the footsteps of turning the world into a large satellite dish, all in the benefit of a handful of individuals and illusion of safety. It's theatre, and you're in it.
AI modelled on us will only prove how flawed we really are.
I think as long as kids can focus and trust their environment learning won't be impacted. I mean think about how we first learn a language, we simply match patterns that we think are related, then we test them and record the results. If one cannot trust their environment they will stop pattern matching, if one is discouraged from making mistakes while testing, the will to learn will be broken. One thing I would say would be to let kids also watch long movies, the 5 minute YouTube attention span really spreads the knowledge tree into smaller chunks which then makes it harder to relate, again effecting learning. So yea, love, focus and trust oughta do the trick everytime.
Art of Assembly is a good book.
In one hand I think, really? Sony is making the story of Snowden? The ones who pretty much made it okay to hack if you're a big enough entity, but not so much if you're a single person. They were the original rootkitters. On the other hand I think, good for them, it's what the kids are into nowdays right? Freedom and rights and stuff? It's gotta sell, a contravertial topic! Although, the bottom line is there isn't much of a movie to be made out of this since it's still not a thing of the past, I'd personally wait a decade or two until it becomes history. The people who thought it would be brilliant to argue "Why do you need privacy?" until they run off with billions are still making those billions :) Really, how is this different than confession booths? Thank you father facebook.
This is simple, and brilliant. Also much better than injecting an NFC tag under your skin, which was the previous approach to the same idea last I read. Kind of the downside of a male dominated tech industry, nobody thinks up stuff like nail polish :)
to legal but privacy-unfriendly purposes by commercial enterprises
How about we look at some ratios in statistics. How many people's "right to be left alone" have we violated vs. the good this has done? I bet you the number is staggeringly leaning towards violation of people's privacy and state of mind. If you want historical proof about how bothersome this might be, read about World War II Jewish survivors of Nazi Germany, and see how they rated lack of privacy in their list of uncomfortable things they were subject to. Citizen life isn't military, and I for one don't want to be monitored 24/7, it cheapens human life and discourages open and clear communication, not to mention generating paranoia and most likely causing physical harm to those with schizophrenia. Privacy-unfriendly falls a little short of describing the negatives.
The mind indeed doesn't have to be logical. I'm not sure why a 0 dimensional dot is not a good comparison for the mind as it was the mind that both came up with religion and science. The mind can entertain paradoxes, Universe cannot. Also the shipwrecked part is from Einstein. Now I don't know what he was smoking but sounds like it did him well.
Consider for a moment what choice truly is. If I quickly asked you to choose between two colors on pieces of paper, red or green? You might have a choice in mind. But then if you saw me ask you with hesitation while looking at red for example, then a whole host of other influences come to be. You might think I'm trying to make you pick green and pick red, or think I'm trying to make you think I'm trying to make you pick green, and pick green just to spite me. There need not be any logic to choice, sometimes there is, hopefully most of the time there is. But I could be thinking about red apples the day before, and even though "RED apple" might be my thing, you never know what color I'm going to pick with absolute certainty by a simulation. You can only guess and it would be the same statistical probability of 50/50 with, or without preexisting data. Now have fun coding that. Consciousness goes beyond just mathematical equations, Math is based on symmetry, life not so much. Consciousness came all the way from the chaos of the quantum world, up into our classical physics and symmetry which survived impossible conditions to end up a mammal which calls itself human and writes so on Slashdot. Best we're going to get is a human like AI, which is enough to convince some folk but will fall short in insight and creativity, it will be a logic machine, just a very complex one. Assume the world is in brink of total annihilation, you ask an AI to pick who gets to live from the leaders of 2 opposing forces to decide the fate of the human race. Human 1 or Human 2, it makes some value judgements and decides based on its understanding of its data. Turns out survival really depended on a pollen which made the chosen human sneeze and press a button at the right time. How do we deal with such interrelated complexity of the Universe? Insight, we feel and make the right choice. Once again, good luck coding that. Mind is like a 0 dimensional dot, it's infinitely large and infinitely small, but only as small as the smallest pen we have today. Anyone who thinks the human consciousness is coming up as the next big Google thing is just asking to be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.
The only way to truly show why we need privacy is to openly display its power. If I knew about your every eye movement, facial gestures, your online activity and profiles, your health record, your breathing rate, your heart rate, and be able to influence your responses, I could very much effect your mood. I'm thinking about writing a game to relax and/or scare people, and put warning labels such as, "Don't play for more than X hours, this game might drive you to insanity etc." It would get people thinking about what we communicate digitally and why it's important to have privacy.
Anonymous coward is it? Why do we have elected officials exactly if complaining to them doesn't work?
Sure, and if you remember during WWII it wasn't just the Germans killing Jews, others also joined in, "others are doing it" is no excuse for a government agency but rather a teen trying to drink alcohol. The point is it seems to me like the agency is out of control, they aren't accomplishing anything and hoovering up billions to catch imaginary enemies. They are creating hatred within our borders by infiltrating World of Warcraft etc. it's just bunch of wannabe geeks when being geeks became cool, who simply use the tools given due to a really extensive budget.
The amount of information one could gather about a person simply from their cellphone is outright scary. Shine a light to your eyes until you see that green spot, and start reading something. Notice how that spot lands on exactly the word you are reading. Using the front facing camera and a constant screenshot stream from your phone and I could even tell how you feel about certain words to some extent.
It's possible that someone you haven't met could know everything about you, and you'd never know that they do.
In a day and age when just about every app gets permission to your camera and GPS location, and most people just press "Install" as a habit, I'm truly glad we're having this conversation.
Hey, if we can claim a corporate entity has a right to personhood, an imaginary concept, I don't see why a real live mammal would be excluded from it. They screwed the pooch when they agreed that anything other than a person is also a person. Anything alive can communicate in some way shape or form even if it's a basic thing like, "I require sustenance" (A plant moving towards sunlight would be a plant "communicating" intentionally or not that it needs more sunlight). So way to go, lets go back to agreeing that people are people, money is money and speech is speech.
I've Googled "sister agency" and all I got was interior decoration websites and something about big brothers and sisters.
ROFL I seriously don't doubt this:
-Are you playing games Bob?
-No sir, just looking for terrorists on WoW.
-What have you found so far?
-Well, a few quest items, still trying to level up, they don't talk to n00bs.
-Carry on.
I am middle-class, disillusioned, Muslim, male, single and approaching middle age. Thankfully I don't play WoW, nor do I facebook, and exactly for these reasons. I got into a fight in highschool for being from Turkey during 9/11 because one kid decided to scream, "Turkey did it!", you know, they're all the same those brown bastards. Now I fear that guy might be employed by the pick-your-3-letter-agency, and no I'm not going to be like Yakov Smirnoff and walk around with a flag pin to show my patriotism, and I hope this insanity will stop before we reach the "burn a number on your skin" stage, I'm hoping even way before, lets round up all the Japanese stage.
Better yet, get a new job but keep in touch with your current management. Seeing how better you are doing, and how under handed they are will get them to make a wise decision. It's like teasing your old girlfriend with the new girl, but totally works.
Make it mandatory to wear Google Glasses and an EEG. Oh and you're not allowed to turn it off. You know, like cellphones, can't take out the battery either.