Yeah, but the minute I was competent enough in English to understand "stop YELLING!" and continued wailing for no good reason we would all leave the restaurant/performance immediately as punishment (unless I didn't like the place, in which case I'm sure my parents had a backup plan). I didn't pointlessly scream very often in public after that.
My problem isn't with kids wailing, its with the parents that refuse to take action to prevent it.
And you wonder why they call it the "me" generation...
>but I for one appreciate being able to use the latest technology when it is released without having to use windows.
And I appreciate being able to build a box extra cheap with an old 2D video card.
That's the problem with binary drivers -- you're buying a time limited product.
And yeah, I do still have a machine on an old Trident 8900 video card. It just doesn't need a $500 upgrade (no AGP slot and 486 processor == No NVIDIA for it). Thank God for the longetivity of open source.
Actually, it's not a heat problem they are detecting per se.
It's a power consumption issue.
When the processor uses over 54.7 watts of power it will lower its speed until it is under that threshold.
It's a stupid way to stop "overheating" and has been previously covered here.
HTH.
>You don't expect to set a world speed record in a car with the oil temperature warning light on do you?
Not unless the warning light came on after 5 seconds of high performance use. At that point you're going to have to ignore that light to properly use the vehicle.
>If you don't like the terms of a contract then DON'T SIGN IT!
Good advice. Not.
How deep are your pockets? Are you ready for your taxes to quintuple?
Because that's what happens when no one takes jobs because their contracts are silly. They don't get a job and go on welfare, which you may/may not pay for.
>Like, perhaps, that C# is an easier language to learn for beginners than C++
You're kidding, right?
I mean, I'm in the closest Comminuty College (Conestoga College) near the U of W (Conestoga College), and we learned C++ first term, second year. Up to then, our programming experience was:
Common, if _we_ could learn it in a college accepting people with high-school averages of 55% or higher, why are students at a University that requires a 95% high-school entrance average so stupid they can't do what we can?
It's so obvious why this change was made. I'm just happy it didn't happen to my College. Maybe for a good education everyone from University of Waterloo needs to go to the local Community College (We do RPG, Builder, Java, Perl, and XML too) for a well-rounded CS education.
And I thought our lack of a Unix lab made us look like M$ had us bought out. Wow.
>My collegues and I currently fill waterbottles from the taps in the bathrooms, and we're just waiting for some nasty disease to ripple through.
Write a letter to your dean explaining that you plan to write the newspaper should you become sick from being forced to drink the water in that unsanitary mannner.
Next time you have the shits send them a bill for any costs you incurr (immodium, pepto-bismol, whatever).
When they refuse to pay up, phone up the newspaper and explain to them the water at the University may be making people sick. It'd be good if you can get your friends to do the same when they're sick.
The moment there's a story in the newspaper (and there will be -- water quality scares always make great headlines) about the University's water making students sick and the University refusing to pay up for medical bills, the health inspector will probably tell them to turn off the water to the bathrooms until its fully tested (including the dean's) and you watch, they'll re-install the fountains faster than you can imagine.
Because, seriously, no water fountains is seriously not right. I've been in virtual sweatshops and even they have water fountains. I'm surprised it isn't a law.
>So I think i'd pass up on this player and get a mp3 cd based player.
Then you'll be hard pressed to find one that can play 320 kbps. Have a fun time looking though.
There's absolutely no reason to use 320 kbps anyways. More than enough tests have been performed that show absolutely no difference (except file size) between 320 and 256 kbps. In fact, there is very little difference, and virtually no audible difference, between 192 kbps ABR and 256 kbps CBR with a good encoder.
"Honey, would you rather have a diamond ring, or (insert equivalently expensive item here)"?
Then she can decide. Problem solved. Everyone wins. She can't hold it against you because you let her decide. Winners all around, no one goes out with a sad face.
>Hey don't get me wrong I'm using it know for more then 2 years but it is still hard
Now this I can agree with.
But the nice thing is once you've learned the part you want to learn about, it doesn't change (much). I can take what I learned in '96 and apply it to a machine today. And if that machine doesn't have what I learned, I can download it and "fix" the problem (eg: New redhat machines use GRUB, but I know LILO. I'm just a downlaod away from using what I'm comfortable with). My biggest concern with Microsoft software is how they constantly remove very important/useful features (compression, domain support, all-in-one file registry, etc, etc) and add useless garbage in their place ("imaging" program, photo viewer, crappy media player).
However, while Linux documentation can often be a bit thin, or out of date, at least it's all free!:-)
>Huh? What license key? I've been using a DVR-A03 on Red Hat 7.3 for months, and haven't once heard of a need for a license key.
This key. The "dvdrecord" that comes with redhat is a "knockoff" of the cdrecord source hacked to have DVD support. The author that made CD-Record thinks they did a poor job and reccomends everyone use the official dvdrecord, which requires that license key (unless you're a company, in which case you'll need to buy it).
HTH!
>And by "environment table" do you mean environment variables?
>If I buy a hard drive, or a Motherboard, or both, I can buy an OEM License for Windows 2000 at the same time for $140.
I know, that's why I said $440. Using prices the AC quoted: $300 drive + $300 in extra parts required as per specs + your $140 for a windows license. Since in Linux I only needed to buy a drive it was $300. But in windows the AC says I will need $300 in hardware, and obviously you must license the machine. Total: $740, or a $440 difference between me using that burner in windows, or using it in Linux.
BTW: You do realize that the OEM license has the following limitations:
- Absolutely no support from M$. Microsoft can stop updating the day you buy it and you can't even phone and complain.
- It is only good for the machine you buy it for. Moving it onto any computer in any way violates the license.
- Can only be installed legally on a complete new system. Which means that I can't buy it along with those parts if I want to be legal.
It would be pointless to buy a windows license if I were to install it illegally. Yes, I can provide proof of the above.
The full version of windows XP professional (and I assume 2k) is $300, which is the only version I could use (apart from XP Castrated Edition, which I have and want to punch through a wall now that I see I can't even use my Samba Domain server. Why does M$ want to limit the security of home users _so much_?).
But, because $600 extra for using my burner in windows is extreme, I thought I'd be nice and say I'd buy castrated windows XP OEM for $140.
>Is there a broken X11 calculator that some of you use when pricing up Microsoft OEM products?
I dunno, did IE mangle my post or the ACs post on you? If so, sorry! You might want to try Mozilla.
Well, I'd find you the site, but I'll be damned if I can get anything to search properly for "DVD+R". Argh.
Oh well, that list seems pretty comprehensive, so perhaps DVD+R has stepped into full compatability. Now all DVD+R has to deal with is overpriced burners and expensive media (and the fact that HP and Philips support it, which, knowing HP and Philips' awfully poor track record on their original CD-Rs, is a _big_ minus).
I still think DVD-R is going to win because of those two 1/2 problems.
>If so, doesn't it take a decade and a half just to write one of those suckers?
1x DVD writing _should_ take 120 mins, but actually seems to take 60 mins (beats me why, since the media is sometimes labelled 120 mins).
2x DVD writing takes 30 mins.
(Of course, these numbers are maximums).
So yeah, it isn't fast, but it could be a lot worse. I don't mind waiting 30 mins when the output is so verstile.:-)
What's confused me when I was first considering buying one is how they compared the speeds. I thought that was compared to CDR -- fortunately it isn't.
>I'm thinking of getting a Pioneer drive this month, although I've heard that 4x writers are coming out in October - anyone heard anything on this?
Nope, but $5 says the media will cost 4x more than 2x like 2x cost 4x more than 1x. Try saying that 10 times fast.
Anyways, my guess is you'd rather wait 15 minutes than spend an extra 5 or 10 pounds on 4x media. The 2x stuff works like a champ, and 30 minutes really isn't all that long to wait.:-)
Interesting, considering the recent price drop on APEX DVD players caused such a run of consumers buying them that my entire city (yes, every store, WalMart, FutureShop, you name it) was out of stock for 2 weeks.
Are you lying, talking out of your ass, or still searching for proof on your side? Enquiring minds want to know!
>DVD+R is very similar in compatibility with DVD-R, perhaps a touch better.
Interesting.
Please explain to me why my PS2 can play my DVD-R backups without complaint, but people in forums are calling DVD+R compatibility hit-and-miss.
Just wondering. Perhaps this problem is only related to certain playback devices? But that seems strange, because my PS2 has no problem with CDR backups, and has never crapped out on any originals.
But not decent enough to burn DVDs on the same machine Linux burns them on (my machine was running 2000). Are you a fool, or are you just ignorant of the fact that Windows 98 will never be able to handle DVD burning properly due to FS limitations?
I guess it just goes to show that Windows 2000 is actually the same piece of crap as the win9x series. Thanks AC for proving my point, even if your are as ignorant as a brick!
>Because 700MHz systems with 256MB of RAM are like $300 now, and if you have $300 for a DVD burner, you probably have $300 to spend on a new computer.
Oh, I see. So a DVD burner for Linux costs $300 but for windows it costs $740 (M$ tax included). And, lets see, since Linux works perfectly for the task, why should I spend $440 more? Uhh, all I hear is silence!
I think I'll spend my $440 on a PlayStation 2 and some games, TYVM. Well, actually, I already did.
My exact same machine that I can surf the web and do email on while I burn a DVD is unable to burn a DVD relably in windows, even though its 100% fine in linux. Not to mention that the windows software says I need a 700 Mhz system with 256 MB of RAM. Why?
Strange, I have exactly the same drive running in a slackware 8.1 machine, kernel 2.4.18. Its been working like a champ. I simply define the device for scsi emulation with "ide-scsi=hdc" as a parameter to the kernel and everything has been peachy. DMA appears to be enabled on the drive, too. And I never had to turn off any read-only parameters.
I've burned various discs, 1x and 2x and have never come across your problem ever.
The machine has an older AOpen motherboard, celeron 300A cpu, 256 MB RAM, 5400 RPM HDD, and BX chipset, just FYI.
Maybe your IDE chipset is flakey?
I do notice something strange though -- with 1x media, it takes about 3 or 4 minutes before the drive is ready to "take the plunge" and move past 1 MB. All discs have read back fine, though (except for dust pock marks).
>Another small caveat, if I try to pipe mkisofs output into dvdrecord, the burn will fail. If I make the iso file first, and then call dvdrecord, the burn is successful. Once again, I don't know if this is something specific to my setup, so it's just an fyi.
Could be because the license key isn't defined in your environment table when you do this. Try adding it to your.profile and see if it helps.
>Sure, I've heard that sharing music and copyright-anarchy is supposed to increase sales in the aggregate, but it doesn't work for me any the genre I work in.
Ever considered that your real problem isn't people pirating your music?
Your problem is lack of exposure. Who are you? What genre do you play? Where can I sample your music? Are you a big time artist sticking up for the boys club, or a just a little one trying to scrape a living together?
Without answers to at least some of these questions, I don't see any reason to believe you.
>If I do the same thing with a p2p server, however, there seems to be a belief that I had a right to break the law.
I don't particularly think so. I do think that simply running a "node" that offers no actual content is as illegal as my newspaper explaining that Luigi's Garage downtown offered to hook a reporter up with a "hot" deal, or that half the cable guys that they had visit their bait house sold them a hacked cable box.
If the FBI want to shake up nodes, they should start shaking up newspapers first. They were the first people to actively report where illegal activity happens, and they report it a lot more than anything else. Take CNN along with them, too.
If the government and media companies want the problem of piracy to go away, its going to take the consumer to agree with them. And as long as the media companies consider us "theives" by default (enter DRM, copy-protected CDs, and CD-R levies) why shouldn't we act accordingly? It isn't like this is the sort of crime where someone is going to leave with physical harm done to them.
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>Aren't ya' glad your parents decided to "spawn"?
Yeah, but the minute I was competent enough in English to understand "stop YELLING!" and continued wailing for no good reason we would all leave the restaurant/performance immediately as punishment (unless I didn't like the place, in which case I'm sure my parents had a backup plan). I didn't pointlessly scream very often in public after that.
My problem isn't with kids wailing, its with the parents that refuse to take action to prevent it.
And you wonder why they call it the "me" generation...
>and never got correct driver support for anything above Windows 98 original release.
Never had an ATI ISA TV card, did you?
They couldn't even get it working well with windows 95 (I know, I tried every windows version I could get my hands on).
Blech. But at least they're stepping into the open source movement, so perhaps this won't be such a problem in the future (at least on Linux).
>but I for one appreciate being able to use the latest technology when it is released without having to use windows.
And I appreciate being able to build a box extra cheap with an old 2D video card.
That's the problem with binary drivers -- you're buying a time limited product.
And yeah, I do still have a machine on an old Trident 8900 video card. It just doesn't need a $500 upgrade (no AGP slot and 486 processor == No NVIDIA for it). Thank God for the longetivity of open source.
Actually, it's not a heat problem they are detecting per se.
It's a power consumption issue.
When the processor uses over 54.7 watts of power it will lower its speed until it is under that threshold.
It's a stupid way to stop "overheating" and has been previously covered here.
HTH.
>You don't expect to set a world speed record in a car with the oil temperature warning light on do you?
Not unless the warning light came on after 5 seconds of high performance use. At that point you're going to have to ignore that light to properly use the vehicle.
Here's a model of motherboard I own: MS5129. I was searching for a PDF manual for it (not much luck though).
Check the results. Are there _any_ relevant ones?
Pretty much nope.
>If you don't like the terms of a contract then DON'T SIGN IT!
Good advice. Not.
How deep are your pockets? Are you ready for your taxes to quintuple?
Because that's what happens when no one takes jobs because their contracts are silly. They don't get a job and go on welfare, which you may/may not pay for.
>Like, perhaps, that C# is an easier language to learn for beginners than C++
You're kidding, right?
I mean, I'm in the closest Comminuty College (Conestoga College) near the U of W (Conestoga College), and we learned C++ first term, second year. Up to then, our programming experience was:
- 15 weeks Visual Basic
- 15 weeks basic DataBase design using Access
- 15 weeks COBOL.
Common, if _we_ could learn it in a college accepting people with high-school averages of 55% or higher, why are students at a University that requires a 95% high-school entrance average so stupid they can't do what we can?
It's so obvious why this change was made. I'm just happy it didn't happen to my College. Maybe for a good education everyone from University of Waterloo needs to go to the local Community College (We do RPG, Builder, Java, Perl, and XML too) for a well-rounded CS education.
And I thought our lack of a Unix lab made us look like M$ had us bought out. Wow.
>My collegues and I currently fill waterbottles from the taps in the bathrooms, and we're just waiting for some nasty disease to ripple through.
Write a letter to your dean explaining that you plan to write the newspaper should you become sick from being forced to drink the water in that unsanitary mannner.
Next time you have the shits send them a bill for any costs you incurr (immodium, pepto-bismol, whatever).
When they refuse to pay up, phone up the newspaper and explain to them the water at the University may be making people sick. It'd be good if you can get your friends to do the same when they're sick.
The moment there's a story in the newspaper (and there will be -- water quality scares always make great headlines) about the University's water making students sick and the University refusing to pay up for medical bills, the health inspector will probably tell them to turn off the water to the bathrooms until its fully tested (including the dean's) and you watch, they'll re-install the fountains faster than you can imagine.
Because, seriously, no water fountains is seriously not right. I've been in virtual sweatshops and even they have water fountains. I'm surprised it isn't a law.
>So I think i'd pass up on this player and get a mp3 cd based player.
Then you'll be hard pressed to find one that can play 320 kbps. Have a fun time looking though.
There's absolutely no reason to use 320 kbps anyways. More than enough tests have been performed that show absolutely no difference (except file size) between 320 and 256 kbps. In fact, there is very little difference, and virtually no audible difference, between 192 kbps ABR and 256 kbps CBR with a good encoder.
This is so easy its another waste of my time.
Tell her this:
"Honey, would you rather have a diamond ring, or (insert equivalently expensive item here)"?
Then she can decide. Problem solved. Everyone wins. She can't hold it against you because you let her decide. Winners all around, no one goes out with a sad face.
>Hey don't get me wrong I'm using it know for more then 2 years but it is still hard
:-)
Now this I can agree with.
But the nice thing is once you've learned the part you want to learn about, it doesn't change (much). I can take what I learned in '96 and apply it to a machine today. And if that machine doesn't have what I learned, I can download it and "fix" the problem (eg: New redhat machines use GRUB, but I know LILO. I'm just a downlaod away from using what I'm comfortable with). My biggest concern with Microsoft software is how they constantly remove very important/useful features (compression, domain support, all-in-one file registry, etc, etc) and add useless garbage in their place ("imaging" program, photo viewer, crappy media player).
However, while Linux documentation can often be a bit thin, or out of date, at least it's all free!
>Huh? What license key? I've been using a DVR-A03 on Red Hat 7.3 for months, and haven't once heard of a need for a license key.
:)
This key. The "dvdrecord" that comes with redhat is a "knockoff" of the cdrecord source hacked to have DVD support. The author that made CD-Record thinks they did a poor job and reccomends everyone use the official dvdrecord, which requires that license key (unless you're a company, in which case you'll need to buy it).
HTH!
>And by "environment table" do you mean environment variables?
Yeah, pretty much. It's all in that readme.
>If I buy a hard drive, or a Motherboard, or both, I can buy an OEM License for Windows 2000 at the same time for $140.
I know, that's why I said $440. Using prices the AC quoted: $300 drive + $300 in extra parts required as per specs + your $140 for a windows license. Since in Linux I only needed to buy a drive it was $300. But in windows the AC says I will need $300 in hardware, and obviously you must license the machine. Total: $740, or a $440 difference between me using that burner in windows, or using it in Linux.
BTW: You do realize that the OEM license has the following limitations:
- Absolutely no support from M$. Microsoft can stop updating the day you buy it and you can't even phone and complain.
- It is only good for the machine you buy it for. Moving it onto any computer in any way violates the license.
- Can only be installed legally on a complete new system. Which means that I can't buy it along with those parts if I want to be legal.
It would be pointless to buy a windows license if I were to install it illegally. Yes, I can provide proof of the above.
The full version of windows XP professional (and I assume 2k) is $300, which is the only version I could use (apart from XP Castrated Edition, which I have and want to punch through a wall now that I see I can't even use my Samba Domain server. Why does M$ want to limit the security of home users _so much_?).
But, because $600 extra for using my burner in windows is extreme, I thought I'd be nice and say I'd buy castrated windows XP OEM for $140.
>Is there a broken X11 calculator that some of you use when pricing up Microsoft OEM products?
I dunno, did IE mangle my post or the ACs post on you? If so, sorry! You might want to try Mozilla.
Well, I'd find you the site, but I'll be damned if I can get anything to search properly for "DVD+R". Argh.
Oh well, that list seems pretty comprehensive, so perhaps DVD+R has stepped into full compatability. Now all DVD+R has to deal with is overpriced burners and expensive media (and the fact that HP and Philips support it, which, knowing HP and Philips' awfully poor track record on their original CD-Rs, is a _big_ minus).
I still think DVD-R is going to win because of those two 1/2 problems.
>If so, doesn't it take a decade and a half just to write one of those suckers?
:-)
1x DVD writing _should_ take 120 mins, but actually seems to take 60 mins (beats me why, since the media is sometimes labelled 120 mins).
2x DVD writing takes 30 mins.
(Of course, these numbers are maximums).
So yeah, it isn't fast, but it could be a lot worse. I don't mind waiting 30 mins when the output is so verstile.
What's confused me when I was first considering buying one is how they compared the speeds. I thought that was compared to CDR -- fortunately it isn't.
>I'm thinking of getting a Pioneer drive this month, although I've heard that 4x writers are coming out in October - anyone heard anything on this?
:-)
Nope, but $5 says the media will cost 4x more than 2x like 2x cost 4x more than 1x. Try saying that 10 times fast.
Anyways, my guess is you'd rather wait 15 minutes than spend an extra 5 or 10 pounds on 4x media. The 2x stuff works like a champ, and 30 minutes really isn't all that long to wait.
>Would you mind sharing where I can find these drives for $240 online?
Here ya go. Hope you save some money!
>DVD is dead
Interesting, considering the recent price drop on APEX DVD players caused such a run of consumers buying them that my entire city (yes, every store, WalMart, FutureShop, you name it) was out of stock for 2 weeks.
Are you lying, talking out of your ass, or still searching for proof on your side? Enquiring minds want to know!
>DVD+R is very similar in compatibility with DVD-R, perhaps a touch better.
Interesting.
Please explain to me why my PS2 can play my DVD-R backups without complaint, but people in forums are calling DVD+R compatibility hit-and-miss.
Just wondering. Perhaps this problem is only related to certain playback devices? But that seems strange, because my PS2 has no problem with CDR backups, and has never crapped out on any originals.
>2000 and XP are actually decent.
But not decent enough to burn DVDs on the same machine Linux burns them on (my machine was running 2000). Are you a fool, or are you just ignorant of the fact that Windows 98 will never be able to handle DVD burning properly due to FS limitations?
I guess it just goes to show that Windows 2000 is actually the same piece of crap as the win9x series. Thanks AC for proving my point, even if your are as ignorant as a brick!
>Because 700MHz systems with 256MB of RAM are like $300 now, and if you have $300 for a DVD burner, you probably have $300 to spend on a new computer.
Oh, I see. So a DVD burner for Linux costs $300 but for windows it costs $740 (M$ tax included). And, lets see, since Linux works perfectly for the task, why should I spend $440 more? Uhh, all I hear is silence!
I think I'll spend my $440 on a PlayStation 2 and some games, TYVM. Well, actually, I already did.
Hey, at least his box would burn a DVD.
My exact same machine that I can surf the web and do email on while I burn a DVD is unable to burn a DVD relably in windows, even though its 100% fine in linux. Not to mention that the windows software says I need a 700 Mhz system with 256 MB of RAM. Why?
>Linux should be confined to 8 year old 286 boxes with 384KB RAM.
Well, I'm assuming you're confused, and are thinking about Windows, because those specs are far too low for Linux to run on.
In that case, you're very right.
Oh, and I'd like to find an 8 year old 286. I bet it would be the size of my wallet.
Local stores are selling 1x DVD-R media for $2.50 a disc.
Local stores (if I can find it) sell DVD+R (don't know what speed -- I didn't care that much) for about $10 a disc.
People will not pay $10 a disc so willingly as $2.50. Until DVD+R is less than $2.50 a disc, it has already lost in my mind.
Strange, I have exactly the same drive running in a slackware 8.1 machine, kernel 2.4.18. Its been working like a champ. I simply define the device for scsi emulation with "ide-scsi=hdc" as a parameter to the kernel and everything has been peachy. DMA appears to be enabled on the drive, too. And I never had to turn off any read-only parameters.
.profile and see if it helps.
I've burned various discs, 1x and 2x and have never come across your problem ever.
The machine has an older AOpen motherboard, celeron 300A cpu, 256 MB RAM, 5400 RPM HDD, and BX chipset, just FYI.
Maybe your IDE chipset is flakey?
I do notice something strange though -- with 1x media, it takes about 3 or 4 minutes before the drive is ready to "take the plunge" and move past 1 MB. All discs have read back fine, though (except for dust pock marks).
>Another small caveat, if I try to pipe mkisofs output into dvdrecord, the burn will fail. If I make the iso file first, and then call dvdrecord, the burn is successful. Once again, I don't know if this is something specific to my setup, so it's just an fyi.
Could be because the license key isn't defined in your environment table when you do this. Try adding it to your
>Sure, I've heard that sharing music and copyright-anarchy is supposed to increase sales in the aggregate, but it doesn't work for me any the genre I work in.
Ever considered that your real problem isn't people pirating your music?
Your problem is lack of exposure. Who are you? What genre do you play? Where can I sample your music? Are you a big time artist sticking up for the boys club, or a just a little one trying to scrape a living together?
Without answers to at least some of these questions, I don't see any reason to believe you.
>If I do the same thing with a p2p server, however, there seems to be a belief that I had a right to break the law.
I don't particularly think so. I do think that simply running a "node" that offers no actual content is as illegal as my newspaper explaining that Luigi's Garage downtown offered to hook a reporter up with a "hot" deal, or that half the cable guys that they had visit their bait house sold them a hacked cable box.
If the FBI want to shake up nodes, they should start shaking up newspapers first. They were the first people to actively report where illegal activity happens, and they report it a lot more than anything else. Take CNN along with them, too.
If the government and media companies want the problem of piracy to go away, its going to take the consumer to agree with them. And as long as the media companies consider us "theives" by default (enter DRM, copy-protected CDs, and CD-R levies) why shouldn't we act accordingly? It isn't like this is the sort of crime where someone is going to leave with physical harm done to them.
Sorry you're being caught in the crossfire.