Actualy, H2 had verry little to do w/ the Hindenburg going down, it seems that the Zeplin Co. had painted the outer shell with a reflective coating of Powdered Aluminum and Iron Oxides, or, for those not up on chemistery, ROCKET FUEL! See this great PBS site for some real facts...
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/html/e3-menu.html
And what keeps people from anouncing who they voted for now? I don't think it really matters how many people most of us tell, I was only considering those few who have reason to keep their political offiliation secret. I'm not going to make them get rid of the thing, it might be worth something in a time when the American Govenment as we know it, becomes a novel concept of the anchient world.....
You need not keep the receipt, only reveiw it for acuracy. The cards need not be labled, only kept at one voter per card so that they can be tallyed, and it can all remain anonomous.
Ok, so how about ATM voting? You get a printed receipt stating your votes, and a hardcopy for the records, and backed up for easy tallying on a plastic card. You can even keep the Yellow copy for your records!
I think this could work and make misstakes alot harder to make. You'd know, just like when you're rung up wrong at the store, ecatly what you did and what is going in the books. That is, if anyone cares enough to look at the receipt before leaving the polling place....
I'm all for it, but we have a problem. Most of your truely 'net savy users think that they ahve some kind of privacy that they aren't willing to give up in order to really make a difference.
The kid broke the law, and he broke the campus rules, and the only way to clear him of that is to have the rules changed. Yes, it sucks, and No, it's not really fair. But if no body cares enough to make formal complaints, if no one takes this personaly, then it Will keep happening.
We can blame a lot of different people for why the system is wrong, but instead, let's try to come up with a solution. The artists are bound to the corprations, the corps don't know how to make money off the MP3's, and untill we show them how, they're going to fight us. It won't be easy to implement and force this kind of change, but who else is going to do it?
Let's not forget that one of the major tools of the pirated music comunity was distributed for free, full release, and NullSoft was bought for How much?
If you want to make a difference, you can't do it by showing that you care just enough to say "I care". You need to make a real statement of why YOU feel a certain way. A stack of these letters signed by any number of people is just a petition with one signature on each page. If you have something to say, say it yourself and make it worth reading.
Earthman
Actualy, you are right to be concerned about cookie modifications. Fortunately, they would only work in your favor. Depending on the site, you could modify the cookies on your drive to change the sale price quoted.
If the cookies are coded right and you have the security set on your browser set to something reasonable, then you've got nothing to worry about.
I think the idea that Religeon is Modular is one of the points that th modern "Pagan" community has built apon. The problem is that people try to take it like hardware rather than software. The idea of "modular religeon" isn't that you take the hard facts and mush them together, it's that you learn from the concepts and and integrate the truths that strike a cord with you. Just like no one language or OS is right for every one under every situation, there are "truths" that some of us, because of our role here on earth this time around, can pay less attention to. We don't all have to live the same life, or we would never advance as a society. Some of us are code warriors, and some of us are hardware, some even resigned to tech suport. That, and the freedom of information, and more so, the exchange of ideas, is what brought most of us to the 'net in the first place.
More than having just heard such a thing, it has been ruled as such by (IIRC) the 6th circut court. This of course leaves the question: Is ALL code speech? If so, is this case still about IP? We've all heard the "Reverse Engineering Coke's trade seceret recipie", or somehting simular as a defence, but what is the angle for the Supreme Court case, should we get there?
Actualy, going by that logic, you wouldn't be able to see through either side, as it reflects ALL visable light, but I'm sure we could adjust the staturation to allow for a percentage of light to pass, which would not only make it energy efficient for homes, but more secure as it would always be hard to see in.
Well, we still runs into one soid problem, no one governemt CAN hold jurisdiction over the internet. As much as our own dear US of A tries, it can not govern the 'net. The Aussies can do what they want with servers on their soil, but they can stop people from logging into international servers. More importantly, we can't rely on governments to regulate the net because they don't understand it! They are old systems devoted to taking years to make a decision and even longer to change their minds, if you can convince them to do so. Unfortunatly, it's hard to get any real security for a system because we don't have access to all the tools we need, or because we have other issues to be concerned w/ (ie: the classic usability vs. security issue) so, we are forced to rely on the govenments. This of course only works if you have money for lawyers and such, and in the case of the US, LOTS of money for lots of lawyers. Anyone have a good answer?
Ah, so, you are agreeing w/ the polititians on this issue, "Screw the kids, they can't vote us out anyway!" Besides, if we don't control them now and get them properly brain-washed then they might not uphold the status quo when they grow up! So, to hell with the rights of the young and stupid, let their parents vote people into office to bring the childeren up right! Face it, it still sounds bad... They can't vote because we say they can't. We don't educate them, we don't listen to them, and we don't let them be counted when the time comes. So, all that anyone under the age of 18 in the US of A can do is bitch about how messed up things are going to be when they finaly get their chance. And, from recent experiance, we should listen to what they are saying...
Yes, but you are then asking for Parents to actualy raise there own kids, or for the childeren to use common sense in their pursuit of cybersex. Either way, you are asking alot, at least from the average American. Why else would we "need" such a law? (that's either of them) Also realize that the average person doesn't think about how much information that they give out in a random conversation, not their real name or address, but often enough to find one or the other. People are just to trusting on the internet because they Think they are untracable, safe from the outside world. We all know how true that is. What should be done then? Well, why on Mother Earth does ICQ list your IP number? How about some guidelines for newbies on what might not be good to put in your profile? How about actualy increasing the security of the network to help secure the privacy of the user? No, too much work. Law says we only have to protect the kids, so, we'll just deal with them.
No, redundant is correcting the link. Pentium 4 is good marketing. Every lUser knows that Pentiums are great computer thingies... What ever it is that they do...
I hope you will forgive me for trying to enlighten you, but the USA does not control the internet, and the ruling will not stop you from being ridicualed. More importantly, you have just made enemies of a new group of people, those who watch out for the rights of Human beings, and we are pissed. Just so you know, free speech will not be trapled for the sake of any group of zelots, be they political, religious, or corporate. We will not take this slight lightly. This is not a threat, simply a request. Speak out all you want, act out when you feel you must, but do not tread on the rights of others simply to advance your cause and gain publicity. We will make sure such action turn a against you. Please note currect efforts to hold a BBQ to help promote the continued freedom of speech online. We will be sure to mention PETA in all publicity.
The problem is, really, that the laws DID evolve with the times, slowly incompassing more, newer technologies, and doing so in extreme ways. Slowly, the american government has played up to buissnesses and done all it can to make US citizens believe that they would be helpless with out its guidance. Why do copyrights now last longer than the lifespan of the author? Because it keeps information and useful tools out of the hands of people who might find better ways to use them. It makes us more dependant on the Government and the bussinesses that it has become in speprable from. I am not a consperacy nut, nor am I against the US or its government, but I have to wonder how this qualifies as "by, for, and of the people"? The people are the ones being continualy shafted (Shaft) in the intelectual battles. People who make better use of available tools are criminals because they don't have permission to improve on someone elses work. People who find inovative ways of getting things done are Hackers and Pirates for not doing things the right way! All that comes of this mentality is the stifeling of inovation, and the stagnation of the market. Let's face it, if M$ had lost their original pattent on Windows 3.x 7 years after it came out, we might well have a user friendly, secure, and stable OS with a GUI people were already commfortable with. As some few of you may know, I'm the first one to pick on anyone screaming OPEN SOURCE IT for the sake of sounding cool, but let's face it, the copyright laws are just stupid the way they are now. If you don't want to share an idea, Don't publish it. If you publish it, expect it to effect the people who come it to contact with it. That's the way/. works, right?
Now all we need to do is getting it to run under LYNUX, on a CLUSTER, w/ MS. PORTMAN's approval, then we got real OPEN SOURCE, GEEK Paradise! Did I work in enough buzz-words to be cool? For gods sakes, Yes, open soursing is great, but, like an open source soft drink, it isn't always useful! Couldn't you make an inteligent statement about the artical instead of playing up to the uneducated moderators who will bump you up for saying something Informative, while I'll be lambasted for being off topic, even though neither of us said a damned thing about the artical. Sorry, I can't freely give up my Automatic 1, and I'm NOT posting AC
I can see the strings atached to this one: "And in return , we hold the right to open corporate, rather than franchized, stores on the moon, or under it surface, as soon as colonization begins." That is mor or less what the idea whenever the governments of the world funded expolration missions. All the way back to Issabella and Columbus. Plan ahead, gentelmen...
We hope in the end to get bunks in the royal homestead and heritable titles, so any girlfriends can one day be genyooine princesses. So, how much money does it take to get one of those, as a geek.... {g, d, r, h}
In related news,/. has started considering moving their official headquarters to an as of yet undisclosed european country This has nothing to do w/ the DOJ atack, or the merger, Rob just wants a change of scenery...
Slashdot Mirror
See this great PBS site for some real facts...
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/html/e3-menu.html
Earthman
Earthman
And what keeps people from anouncing who they voted for now? I don't think it really matters how many people most of us tell, I was only considering those few who have reason to keep their political offiliation secret. I'm not going to make them get rid of the thing, it might be worth something in a time when the American Govenment as we know it, becomes a novel concept of the anchient world.....
You need not keep the receipt, only reveiw it for acuracy. The cards need not be labled, only kept at one voter per card so that they can be tallyed, and it can all remain anonomous.
Ok, so how about ATM voting? You get a printed receipt stating your votes, and a hardcopy for the records, and backed up for easy tallying on a plastic card. You can even keep the Yellow copy for your records!
I think this could work and make misstakes alot harder to make. You'd know, just like when you're rung up wrong at the store, ecatly what you did and what is going in the books. That is, if anyone cares enough to look at the receipt before leaving the polling place....
I'm all for it, but we have a problem. Most of your truely 'net savy users think that they ahve some kind of privacy that they aren't willing to give up in order to really make a difference.
The kid broke the law, and he broke the campus rules, and the only way to clear him of that is to have the rules changed. Yes, it sucks, and No, it's not really fair. But if no body cares enough to make formal complaints, if no one takes this personaly, then it Will keep happening.
We can blame a lot of different people for why the system is wrong, but instead, let's try to come up with a solution. The artists are bound to the corprations, the corps don't know how to make money off the MP3's, and untill we show them how, they're going to fight us. It won't be easy to implement and force this kind of change, but who else is going to do it?
Let's not forget that one of the major tools of the pirated music comunity was distributed for free, full release, and NullSoft was bought for How much?
If you want to make a difference, you can't do it by showing that you care just enough to say "I care". You need to make a real statement of why YOU feel a certain way. A stack of these letters signed by any number of people is just a petition with one signature on each page. If you have something to say, say it yourself and make it worth reading.
Earthman
Actualy, you are right to be concerned about cookie modifications. Fortunately, they would only work in your favor. Depending on the site, you could modify the cookies on your drive to change the sale price quoted.
If the cookies are coded right and you have the security set on your browser set to something reasonable, then you've got nothing to worry about.
Earthman
I think the idea that Religeon is Modular is one of the points that th modern "Pagan" community has built apon. The problem is that people try to take it like hardware rather than software. The idea of "modular religeon" isn't that you take the hard facts and mush them together, it's that you learn from the concepts and and integrate the truths that strike a cord with you. Just like no one language or OS is right for every one under every situation, there are "truths" that some of us, because of our role here on earth this time around, can pay less attention to. We don't all have to live the same life, or we would never advance as a society. Some of us are code warriors, and some of us are hardware, some even resigned to tech suport. That, and the freedom of information, and more so, the exchange of ideas, is what brought most of us to the 'net in the first place.
More than having just heard such a thing, it has been ruled as such by (IIRC) the 6th circut court. This of course leaves the question: Is ALL code speech? If so, is this case still about IP? We've all heard the "Reverse Engineering Coke's trade seceret recipie", or somehting simular as a defence, but what is the angle for the Supreme Court case, should we get there?
Ooo, or just by polarizing it in one direction, sorry, just thought of that...
Tom
Well, we still runs into one soid problem, no one governemt CAN hold jurisdiction over the internet. As much as our own dear US of A tries, it can not govern the 'net. The Aussies can do what they want with servers on their soil, but they can stop people from logging into international servers.
More importantly, we can't rely on governments to regulate the net because they don't understand it! They are old systems devoted to taking years to make a decision and even longer to change their minds, if you can convince them to do so.
Unfortunatly, it's hard to get any real security for a system because we don't have access to all the tools we need, or because we have other issues to be concerned w/ (ie: the classic usability vs. security issue) so, we are forced to rely on the govenments. This of course only works if you have money for lawyers and such, and in the case of the US, LOTS of money for lots of lawyers.
Anyone have a good answer?
Yes, but that works just as well with the IP hidden. You don't need to know it, just your copy of the client.
Ah, so, you are agreeing w/ the polititians on this issue, "Screw the kids, they can't vote us out anyway!" Besides, if we don't control them now and get them properly brain-washed then they might not uphold the status quo when they grow up! So, to hell with the rights of the young and stupid, let their parents vote people into office to bring the childeren up right!
Face it, it still sounds bad...
They can't vote because we say they can't. We don't educate them, we don't listen to them, and we don't let them be counted when the time comes. So, all that anyone under the age of 18 in the US of A can do is bitch about how messed up things are going to be when they finaly get their chance. And, from recent experiance, we should listen to what they are saying...
Yes, but you are then asking for Parents to actualy raise there own kids, or for the childeren to use common sense in their pursuit of cybersex. Either way, you are asking alot, at least from the average American. Why else would we "need" such a law? (that's either of them)
Also realize that the average person doesn't think about how much information that they give out in a random conversation, not their real name or address, but often enough to find one or the other. People are just to trusting on the internet because they Think they are untracable, safe from the outside world. We all know how true that is.
What should be done then? Well, why on Mother Earth does ICQ list your IP number? How about some guidelines for newbies on what might not be good to put in your profile? How about actualy increasing the security of the network to help secure the privacy of the user?
No, too much work. Law says we only have to protect the kids, so, we'll just deal with them.
No, redundant is correcting the link. Pentium 4 is good marketing. Every lUser knows that Pentiums are great computer thingies... What ever it is that they do...
Actualy, it looks to me like an iMac. Funny that, maybe they are seeing something comming? I wonder how it will handle OSX?
I Do? That and a nice rock should help...
Nope, picked him for his Karma...
I hope you will forgive me for trying to enlighten you, but the USA does not control the internet, and the ruling will not stop you from being ridicualed. More importantly, you have just made enemies of a new group of people, those who watch out for the rights of Human beings, and we are pissed. Just so you know, free speech will not be trapled for the sake of any group of zelots, be they political, religious, or corporate. We will not take this slight lightly. This is not a threat, simply a request. Speak out all you want, act out when you feel you must, but do not tread on the rights of others simply to advance your cause and gain publicity. We will make sure such action turn a against you. Please note currect efforts to hold a BBQ to help promote the continued freedom of speech online. We will be sure to mention PETA in all publicity.
The problem is, really, that the laws DID evolve with the times, slowly incompassing more, newer technologies, and doing so in extreme ways. Slowly, the american government has played up to buissnesses and done all it can to make US citizens believe that they would be helpless with out its guidance. Why do copyrights now last longer than the lifespan of the author? Because it keeps information and useful tools out of the hands of people who might find better ways to use them. It makes us more dependant on the Government and the bussinesses that it has become in speprable from. /. works, right?
I am not a consperacy nut, nor am I against the US or its government, but I have to wonder how this qualifies as "by, for, and of the people"?
The people are the ones being continualy shafted (Shaft) in the intelectual battles. People who make better use of available tools are criminals because they don't have permission to improve on someone elses work. People who find inovative ways of getting things done are Hackers and Pirates for not doing things the right way! All that comes of this mentality is the stifeling of inovation, and the stagnation of the market.
Let's face it, if M$ had lost their original pattent on Windows 3.x 7 years after it came out, we might well have a user friendly, secure, and stable OS with a GUI people were already commfortable with.
As some few of you may know, I'm the first one to pick on anyone screaming OPEN SOURCE IT for the sake of sounding cool, but let's face it, the copyright laws are just stupid the way they are now. If you don't want to share an idea, Don't publish it. If you publish it, expect it to effect the people who come it to contact with it. That's the way
Now all we need to do is getting it to run under LYNUX, on a CLUSTER, w/ MS. PORTMAN's approval, then we got real OPEN SOURCE, GEEK Paradise!
Did I work in enough buzz-words to be cool?
For gods sakes, Yes, open soursing is great, but, like an open source soft drink, it isn't always useful! Couldn't you make an inteligent statement about the artical instead of playing up to the uneducated moderators who will bump you up for saying something Informative, while I'll be lambasted for being off topic, even though neither of us said a damned thing about the artical.
Sorry, I can't freely give up my Automatic 1, and I'm NOT posting AC
I can see the strings atached to this one:
"And in return , we hold the right to open corporate, rather than franchized, stores on the moon, or under it surface, as soon as colonization begins."
That is mor or less what the idea whenever the governments of the world funded expolration missions. All the way back to Issabella and Columbus.
Plan ahead, gentelmen...
So, how much money does it take to get one of those, as a geek....
{g, d, r, h}
-Earthman
This has nothing to do w/ the DOJ atack, or the merger, Rob just wants a change of scenery...
-Earthman