The fact that it focuses on working instead of fake transparent menus?
bollocks... gnome has always been the desktop with the scalable pixmaps and the original emphasis on themeability at the expense of functionality. this wasn't added to kde until kde2, when all of the core functionality had been bedded down. kde was, and still is the more functional desktop, in terms of what can be done, so your point is moot.
hey... i'm debian troll's friend... DT has been pretty busy lately polishing up the next release of win-apt-get, incorporating the apt-get upgrade Justin-Timberlake functionality.
gnome is so far behind kde in almost all respects i am still slightly amazed and slightly intrigued that people actually willingly choose it. not to sound like a troll, but what is there about the gnome desktop that is sufficiently compelling to favour it over kde (not counting specific apps, since they can be run through either kde/gnome)?
what's your point? IE has 90+% market share, so noone is going to look at your website if it doesn't look correct in IE (which i can see your src won't). so your point is moot...
konq is perfect for 99%+ of all websites i trawl... the biggest prob is user-agent spoofing idiotic internet banking sites and the like. and like a million others have already posted - the underlying kde ioslave architecture that gives every kde app the ability to utilise every network protocol under the sun is truly brilliant.
i recently bought a 17" g4 powerbook (lappie) after having run a more-or-less full-time linux desktop for work and home for 5 years. OSX is nice enough (but not *that* much nicer than full KDE IMHO), but the finder (file browser) application is just terrible IMO. konqueror walks all over it for the purposes of file management, not to mention being able to browse ssh logins/port forwards (eg: sftp://matt@localhost:60022/home/matt), ftp sites, you name it, chances are konqueror can browse it, and all without feeling clunky and over-simplified. konqueror is pretty much on par with safari, but with better frills for use as a web development platform.
also, i am still trying to find an open source GUI editor for OSX that i completely like. bbedit is the best i know of so far, but is ridiculously expensive for what it is. i would much prefer to use kate (the KDE editor). seeing as i'm on holidays maybe i'll get off my arse and see about porting it to qt/mac too;-)
it is almost offensive to those of us who do have good quality coffee to describe starbucks as a coffee-vending establishment. i find it easier to think of stabucks as a wi-fi provider.
(that said, there are now 4 starbucks in sydney now, *someone* here must be going to them)
Might be. At least for some things, I just found it funny that you used that shootout as an argument for it using more memory while it showed the exact opposite.
wouldn't be good flamebait if i didn't make it controversial...
Why bother with a whole parallel version, wouldn't a preprocessor of some kind do the job sufficiently?
yes, i was going to modify the parser grammar only, and leave the rest (soz, poorly worded response). might get around to doing it one day and then i would definitely switch to python, since imho the language design is better and far cleaner than perl.
should try coming over to australia... we're significantly closer to the equator. the australian government has sponsored "slip-slop-slap" (referring to slipping on a t-shirt, slopping sunscreen, slapping on a hat..) commercials for over a decade now in response to australia's melanoma (skin cancer) rate being (still) the highest in the world.
FWIW, i code in python and perl (and c, java, c++, etc). this was meant as a facetious flamebait piece. in my experience, python is however, usually a bit slower and uses more memory to do the same thing, although python has better startup times due to its caching of bytecode on the FS.
i still hate the whitespace though -- i even started to write a parallel version of python that used braces to delineate blocks!...then i wimped out and went back to perl.
i don't think this is true... besides, python is slower and requires more memory to do stuff than perl -- see http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/index2.shtml...and any language that uses whitespace as syntax is only ever going to attract a marginal following.
all i can say is that you must be pretty picky on speed (or that there's something else slowing your system down)... i have an athlon xp2000+ and kde is in all ways comparable to winXP (except for windows redraw, but that's a small price to pay for the stability of a user-space windowing system).
all things considered, kde is an amazing work - the apps, the pace and consistency of development, and the techo-coolness simmering beneath the pretty surface...
i have been using a linux desktop full-time for work and home for 5 years now, and if games were as readily available for linux as for win32, i wouldn't even bother with dual-booting.
why on middleearth did you so dislike it? while there are a couple of minor sequences that don't feel "right", the movie as a whole is excellent (IMHO). i find it difficult to believe that people who've read LOTR a few times could not be thrilled with what PJ and co have done. i am so excited about ROTK i can hardly restrain myself from assassinating my local distributor and stealing their copy.
the final Windows NT 3.1 Win32 subsystem was a specially privileged "application" that was required by all other subsystems and the operating system as a whole.
the win32 core and graphics device subsystem were moved into kernel mode, that is *the kernel*, in order to increase performance to the detriment of stability and security.
go back to your trailer park college education, microsoft fanboy
The point of researching these things is to not get caught with your pants down when someone else invents it. Now that this strain of smallpox has been developed, the scientists can determine how to protect against it.
this is completely false. there are so many ways of making a super bacterium/virus, each of which requiring a different prophylactic/curative approach that the "we did it to prevent it from being used on us" excuse doesn't hold.
seeing as iraq didn't even *have* biological agents, it would seem that the US *did* only invade iraq for its oil and strategic control of the region, and that they are bald-faced liers and hypocrits. what other conclusion can there be?
don't be so pessimistic... there's no shame in copying what has been shown in the field to be A Good Thing. it is unfortunate for linux that there is a certain amount of catching up to do before major new ground can be broken IMHO. that said, i think KDE does windows even better than windows...
much as i hate random GUI improvements being given their own name, the expose concept is damn cool and damn useful. i expect that the KDE folks ought to be able to manage to slip it under the approaching-beta 3.2 release, thanks guys;-) seriously, this is one feature that apple has really gotten right.
ps: there's really something to be said about incorporating the rendering power of modern graphics cards for eye candy and lightening the load of the CPU.
pps: i find the fast user switching animation a bit gratuitous though.
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The fact that it focuses on working instead of fake transparent menus?
bollocks... gnome has always been the desktop with the scalable pixmaps and the original emphasis on themeability at the expense of functionality. this wasn't added to kde until kde2, when all of the core functionality had been bedded down. kde was, and still is the more functional desktop, in terms of what can be done, so your point is moot.
hey... i'm debian troll's friend... DT has been pretty busy lately polishing up the next release of win-apt-get, incorporating the apt-get upgrade Justin-Timberlake functionality.
this is such a troll... which idiots modded this up?
gnome is so far behind kde in almost all respects i am still slightly amazed and slightly intrigued that people actually willingly choose it. not to sound like a troll, but what is there about the gnome desktop that is sufficiently compelling to favour it over kde (not counting specific apps, since they can be run through either kde/gnome)?
for god's sake, forcibly upgrade her to winXP. it's just like 98, but doesn't crash so often and it only takes about 2 hours of your time.
what's your point? IE has 90+% market share, so noone is going to look at your website if it doesn't look correct in IE (which i can see your src won't). so your point is moot...
konq is perfect for 99%+ of all websites i trawl... the biggest prob is user-agent spoofing idiotic internet banking sites and the like. and like a million others have already posted - the underlying kde ioslave architecture that gives every kde app the ability to utilise every network protocol under the sun is truly brilliant.
lmfao.
that, and if Mac OSX could be based on a free, open source operating system, then steve and his apple buddies would really have something!
i recently bought a 17" g4 powerbook (lappie) after having run a more-or-less full-time linux desktop for work and home for 5 years. OSX is nice enough (but not *that* much nicer than full KDE IMHO), but the finder (file browser) application is just terrible IMO. konqueror walks all over it for the purposes of file management, not to mention being able to browse ssh logins/port forwards (eg: sftp://matt@localhost:60022/home/matt), ftp sites, you name it, chances are konqueror can browse it, and all without feeling clunky and over-simplified. konqueror is pretty much on par with safari, but with better frills for use as a web development platform.
;-)
also, i am still trying to find an open source GUI editor for OSX that i completely like. bbedit is the best i know of so far, but is ridiculously expensive for what it is. i would much prefer to use kate (the KDE editor). seeing as i'm on holidays maybe i'll get off my arse and see about porting it to qt/mac too
it is almost offensive to those of us who do have good quality coffee to describe starbucks as a coffee-vending establishment. i find it easier to think of stabucks as a wi-fi provider.
(that said, there are now 4 starbucks in sydney now, *someone* here must be going to them)
Might be. At least for some things, I just found it funny that you used that shootout as an argument for it using more memory while it showed the exact opposite.
wouldn't be good flamebait if i didn't make it controversial...
Why bother with a whole parallel version, wouldn't a preprocessor of some kind do the job sufficiently?
yes, i was going to modify the parser grammar only, and leave the rest (soz, poorly worded response). might get around to doing it one day and then i would definitely switch to python, since imho the language design is better and far cleaner than perl.
should try coming over to australia... we're significantly closer to the equator. the australian government has sponsored "slip-slop-slap" (referring to slipping on a t-shirt, slopping sunscreen, slapping on a hat..) commercials for over a decade now in response to australia's melanoma (skin cancer) rate being (still) the highest in the world.
FWIW, i code in python and perl (and c, java, c++, etc). this was meant as a facetious flamebait piece. in my experience, python is however, usually a bit slower and uses more memory to do the same thing, although python has better startup times due to its caching of bytecode on the FS.
...then i wimped out and went back to perl.
i still hate the whitespace though -- i even started to write a parallel version of python that used braces to delineate blocks!
i don't think this is true... besides, python is slower and requires more memory to do stuff than perl -- see http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/index2.shtml ...and any language that uses whitespace as syntax is only ever going to attract a marginal following.
not to mention that qt apps run unmodified on win32, osx or linux/x11...
yes you do -- it's built into the pricing of VS...
all i can say is that you must be pretty picky on speed (or that there's something else slowing your system down)... i have an athlon xp2000+ and kde is in all ways comparable to winXP (except for windows redraw, but that's a small price to pay for the stability of a user-space windowing system).
all things considered, kde is an amazing work - the apps, the pace and consistency of development, and the techo-coolness simmering beneath the pretty surface...
i have been using a linux desktop full-time for work and home for 5 years now, and if games were as readily available for linux as for win32, i wouldn't even bother with dual-booting.
kde is teh shit.
man hope they run debian.
that would be nice.
You shouldn't be allowed to post on /. either -- everybody knows that BSD is dying dude ;-)
why on middleearth did you so dislike it? while there are a couple of minor sequences that don't feel "right", the movie as a whole is excellent (IMHO). i find it difficult to believe that people who've read LOTR a few times could not be thrilled with what PJ and co have done. i am so excited about ROTK i can hardly restrain myself from assassinating my local distributor and stealing their copy.
perhaps seeing TTT again might help?
maybe *you* should try reading microsoft's own technical explanation of its own operating system. i quote from the article:
the final Windows NT 3.1 Win32 subsystem was a specially privileged "application" that was required by all other subsystems and the operating system as a whole.
the win32 core and graphics device subsystem were moved into kernel mode, that is *the kernel*, in order to increase performance to the detriment of stability and security.
go back to your trailer park college education, microsoft fanboy
The point of researching these things is to not get caught with your pants down when someone else invents it. Now that this strain of smallpox has been developed, the scientists can determine how to protect against it.
this is completely false. there are so many ways of making a super bacterium/virus, each of which requiring a different prophylactic/curative approach that the "we did it to prevent it from being used on us" excuse doesn't hold.
seeing as iraq didn't even *have* biological agents, it would seem that the US *did* only invade iraq for its oil and strategic control of the region, and that they are bald-faced liers and hypocrits. what other conclusion can there be?
Remember Win32 is ONLY a subsystem on NT and is not a part of the NT kernel or core.
that might have been true 10 years ago, but since then a large part of the GUI drawing code has migrated into the kernel.
don't be so pessimistic... there's no shame in copying what has been shown in the field to be A Good Thing. it is unfortunate for linux that there is a certain amount of catching up to do before major new ground can be broken IMHO. that said, i think KDE does windows even better than windows...
implementation is as important as innovation.
much as i hate random GUI improvements being given their own name, the expose concept is damn cool and damn useful. i expect that the KDE folks ought to be able to manage to slip it under the approaching-beta 3.2 release, thanks guys ;-) seriously, this is one feature that apple has really gotten right.
ps: there's really something to be said about incorporating the rendering power of modern graphics cards for eye candy and lightening the load of the CPU.
pps: i find the fast user switching animation a bit gratuitous though.