By the way, the email headers are never encrypted. Only the body of the email is, so they can always get the "meta data" for your email message indicating who it's to/from and such, regardless of whether you encrypt your email or not.
That's a point that can't be emphasized enough. TLS is good as far as it goes (and for who uses it), but it's only a partial solution.
the judge had argued that civil servants owed their duty to the government
Dude, that is the scariest thing I've heard in years.
WTF is freedom if not the ability to decide for yourself where your duty lies?
Yeah, I guess the Brits had forgotten the Nuremburg trials which invalidated the "just following orders" defense...which is the flip side of the owing your unflagging duty to the governement du jour.
Why not require a warrant to search the databases? I'm skeptical that this tool is going to be all that useful, but of course LE will always trot out success stories, like in the article. Maybe they'll solve an extra 10 crimes per year, out of how many? It's probably insignificant, but people will still call for its use because it solved one murder last year. So fine, allow the databases to searched if a judge issues a warrant. If they're going to use this on something serious like a major felony, then getting a warrant should be no big deal. At least it would stop the sort of harassment described in the article where a LEO, using his infinitely wise discretion, decides that someone "looks suspicious", and "asks" to take his picture.
Dude, with cameras springing up in every city the LEO won't even need to ask the citizen! "Hey Billy, run the face on camera J422 from 1431 hours for me. Thanks, bud!"
On one hand you have the public backlash if/when an attack succeeds due to inadequate intelligence gathering.
I'll take my chances. Statistically this century I've had a greater chance of drowning in my bathtub than being an American killed by a terrorist. And no, that's not evidence that the spying is working.
""According to the Washington Post, the Bush administration took 'bulk metadata' from the phone companies under voluntary agreements for more than four years after 9/11 until a court agreed they could have it compulsorily.""
For those who don't read TFA, the missing context is huge: When the New York Times revealed the warrantless surveillance of voice calls, in December 2005, the telephone companies got nervous. One of them, unnamed in the report, approached the NSA with a request. Rather than volunteer the data, at a price, the “provider preferred to be compelled to do so by a court order,” the report said. Other companies followed suit.
. If a person was texting? How then? Subpoena everybody’s phone on the off chance that there might have been texting? (Not sure if that would clear probably cause.). If not, then would the “no texting” law have any real teeth?
The absence of skid marks, or a very short skid mark before impact, is compelling evidence of impairment.
Do they not have anti-lock brakes in your part of the world? Even my motorcycle won't leave a skid mark with the brakes fully engaged.
Parse their words. They are denying a very pointed question that wasn't asked. They are all saying, "We don't allow the government direct access to our servers"
This isn't the denial you think it is.
Bingo. That's like the Chinese saying they don't indulge in hacking...but of course their definition bears no resemblance to anyone else's.
Is there any chance that this and the Verizon metadata will cause real outrage, by which I mean by enough citizens to have some political effect?
No. Well, yes, it'll cause outrage, but to no avail. While these were both started by Bush, they're perpetuated and strengthened under 0bama ("meet the new boss...same as the old boss."). This is Yet Another Argument for a third political party, one that's not (yet) owned by the special interests and the other maintainers of the status quo.
Firsthand experience with these systems, and horror at their capabilities, is what drove a career intelligence officer to provide PowerPoint slides about PRISM and supporting materials to The Washington Post in order to expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy. “They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type,” the officer said.
Everybody should do exactly the opposite. They can't arrest everybody. If they try, 10 million people show up demanding to be arrested as well. Then tomorrow, 10 more. Then day after 40 million people go to the white house. I'm exaggerating, yeah, but the point is - unity is the key. Not "don't get involved with anything, stay low". This is how THEY get to be the "zoo keepers".
During the world war 2, 4 german soldiers with 4 guns where taking 200 civilians to the slaughterhouse. Everybody walked 20 kilometers, nobody said a word or try to do anything. I reckon they where thinking to themselfs the same thing you're thinking now. Keep your head down.. MAYBE everything will be ok. They got slaughtered day after.
This should have been posted in the 2nd Amendment thread above.
This'd only be newsworthy if it's installed via Google Play or another mainstream source. Otherwise, it's just stupid people paying the price for their ignorance.
For all the tales of horror with iTunes, I guess I'm the only happy user.
And me. I've been using it on a Mac since it was SoundJam so I've seen it all. It's gotten a bit convoluted when you add in supporting other iDevices ("How the eft do I add music to a playlist that gets synched with only the iPhone and not the iPad again?"). By and large, I suspect that most--if not all--of the bitching is coming from Windows users having to deal with Apple trying to carry across functionality that's been in MacOS forever to a non-native platform.
Yea, they love the "American" system of capitalism, they just don't like it when outsiders own those profits. They have in the past gone so far as to build facilities there then nationalize them.
Yeah, in China, the government owns the businesses. Here in the US, the businesses own the government.
I just logged into my twitter for the first time in a year a so. I don't use it at all (just cybersquatting on my name, basically), have never followed anyone, and have never given the account name to anyone. Yet, I see that I'm now following 22 peeps from the White House to MLB to Suze Orman. Yeah, the following business is legit, all right. Not. If there's value to me being a Follower...show me the money.
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By the way, the email headers are never encrypted. Only the body of the email is, so they can always get the "meta data" for your email message indicating who it's to/from and such, regardless of whether you encrypt your email or not.
That's a point that can't be emphasized enough. TLS is good as far as it goes (and for who uses it), but it's only a partial solution.
You can write a useful android app just using html 5 & javascript. And that removes the need to worry about ascpect ratios as well.
Facebook tried that on iOS. Google around to find out how much THAT blew chunks.
Wonder what the consequences of that would be? Do two skeevy acts add up to a good act?
Then the next cushy billion-dollar government contract would go to SAIC instead of them.
Uhh, I don't think government contractors are the people clamoring for disclosure, rather the tech companies themselves.
....if all 63 published the info anyway? Safety in numbers, yes....
It is this sort of stupidity that I think the creationists could use as an effective argument against evolution. .)
Dunno, I kind of think this guy is the most effective argument against evolution.
...but last time I looked, my dog, cute as she is, has no disposable income.
I thought that only those with something to hide needed privacy?
Because:
Officials from President Obama down have said they welcomed the opportunity to explain the importance of the programs
Oh wait....
Dude, that is the scariest thing I've heard in years.
WTF is freedom if not the ability to decide for yourself where your duty lies?
Yeah, I guess the Brits had forgotten the Nuremburg trials which invalidated the "just following orders" defense...which is the flip side of the owing your unflagging duty to the governement du jour.
Why not require a warrant to search the databases? I'm skeptical that this tool is going to be all that useful, but of course LE will always trot out success stories, like in the article. Maybe they'll solve an extra 10 crimes per year, out of how many? It's probably insignificant, but people will still call for its use because it solved one murder last year. So fine, allow the databases to searched if a judge issues a warrant. If they're going to use this on something serious like a major felony, then getting a warrant should be no big deal. At least it would stop the sort of harassment described in the article where a LEO, using his infinitely wise discretion, decides that someone "looks suspicious", and "asks" to take his picture.
Dude, with cameras springing up in every city the LEO won't even need to ask the citizen! "Hey Billy, run the face on camera J422 from 1431 hours for me. Thanks, bud!"
On one hand you have the public backlash if/when an attack succeeds due to inadequate intelligence gathering.
I'll take my chances. Statistically this century I've had a greater chance of drowning in my bathtub than being an American killed by a terrorist. And no, that's not evidence that the spying is working.
""According to the Washington Post, the Bush administration took 'bulk metadata' from the phone companies under voluntary agreements for more than four years after 9/11 until a court agreed they could have it compulsorily.""
For those who don't read TFA, the missing context is huge:
When the New York Times revealed the warrantless surveillance of voice calls, in December 2005, the telephone companies got nervous. One of them, unnamed in the report, approached the NSA with a request. Rather than volunteer the data, at a price, the “provider preferred to be compelled to do so by a court order,” the report said. Other companies followed suit.
And then they got immunity.
...why say DOJ? It could be the Chinese.
. If a person was texting? How then? Subpoena everybody’s phone on the off chance that there might have been texting? (Not sure if that would clear probably cause.). If not, then would the “no texting” law have any real teeth?
The absence of skid marks, or a very short skid mark before impact, is compelling evidence of impairment.
Do they not have anti-lock brakes in your part of the world? Even my motorcycle won't leave a skid mark with the brakes fully engaged.
The black helicopters will be heading to Hong Kong...
Parse their words. They are denying a very pointed question that wasn't asked. They are all saying, "We don't allow the government direct access to our servers"
This isn't the denial you think it is.
Bingo. That's like the Chinese saying they don't indulge in hacking...but of course their definition bears no resemblance to anyone else's.
Is there any chance that this and the Verizon metadata will cause real outrage, by which I mean by enough citizens to have some political effect?
No. Well, yes, it'll cause outrage, but to no avail. While these were both started by Bush, they're perpetuated and strengthened under 0bama ("meet the new boss...same as the old boss."). This is Yet Another Argument for a third political party, one that's not (yet) owned by the special interests and the other maintainers of the status quo.
....from last paragraph:
Firsthand experience with these systems, and horror at their capabilities, is what drove a career intelligence officer to provide PowerPoint slides about PRISM and supporting materials to The Washington Post in order to expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy. “They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type,” the officer said.
Everybody should do exactly the opposite. They can't arrest everybody. If they try, 10 million people show up demanding to be arrested as well. Then tomorrow, 10 more. Then day after 40 million people go to the white house. I'm exaggerating, yeah, but the point is - unity is the key. Not "don't get involved with anything, stay low". This is how THEY get to be the "zoo keepers".
During the world war 2, 4 german soldiers with 4 guns where taking 200 civilians to the slaughterhouse. Everybody walked 20 kilometers, nobody said a word or try to do anything.
I reckon they where thinking to themselfs the same thing you're thinking now. Keep your head down.. MAYBE everything will be ok. They got slaughtered day after.
This should have been posted in the 2nd Amendment thread above.
Hasn't been a good decimation since Caesar's day.
Wow...someone who actually knows the etymology! (Doffs cap.)
This'd only be newsworthy if it's installed via Google Play or another mainstream source. Otherwise, it's just stupid people paying the price for their ignorance.
For all the tales of horror with iTunes, I guess I'm the only happy user.
And me. I've been using it on a Mac since it was SoundJam so I've seen it all. It's gotten a bit convoluted when you add in supporting other iDevices ("How the eft do I add music to a playlist that gets synched with only the iPhone and not the iPad again?"). By and large, I suspect that most--if not all--of the bitching is coming from Windows users having to deal with Apple trying to carry across functionality that's been in MacOS forever to a non-native platform.
Yea, they love the "American" system of capitalism, they just don't like it when outsiders own those profits.
They have in the past gone so far as to build facilities there then nationalize them.
Yeah, in China, the government owns the businesses. Here in the US, the businesses own the government.
I just logged into my twitter for the first time in a year a so. I don't use it at all (just cybersquatting on my name, basically), have never followed anyone, and have never given the account name to anyone. Yet, I see that I'm now following 22 peeps from the White House to MLB to Suze Orman. Yeah, the following business is legit, all right. Not. If there's value to me being a Follower...show me the money.
Dammit slashdot, I can tell it's an annoying April fool's when I reminisce about the good old days with the ponies...
ZOMG! PONIES!!!