Who has more ethics, the asshole gassing the Kurds or the asshole that bombs the asshole gassing the Kurds (regardless of the reason)?
Huh? There was no "asshole gassing the Kurds". There was an "asshole who gassed the Kurds over a decade previously".
I mean, you aren't seriously trying to imply that GWB's actions were an attempt to prevent/stop an attack that happened back in 1988, are you? Because I'm pretty sure that asshole didn't have time travel technology.
Are you actually trying to prove that Saddam Hussein was not actively engaged in a Kurdish genocide? I actually think the specific time he used the gas is completely irrelevant... He gassed them, he shot them, he bombed them and he stole their land. Who's the bigger asshole now?
How about the asshole who gave the asshole gassing the Kurds the gas in the first place?
Oh right, that would be Donald Rumsfeld who completed that deal during the Reagen administration, not Richard Cheney.
I'm sorry when exactly do you think Regan took office? The Iraqi's were trying to kill all the Kurds since about 1960. Killing the Kurds and stealing their oilfields. So what if the gas was purchased and used later, the genocide attempt was going on for 20 years prior.
I just love it when the frothing-at-the-mouth liberals try to blame a single, US "official" for doing something EVEYRONE FUCKING KNOWS was the right thing to do, even if the reason was falsified.
An asshole who bombs the asshole who is bombing the Kurds while telling us that the reason he is bombing the asshole who is bombing the Kurds is because that asshole is bombing the Kurds is not such an asshole. OUR asshole, however, was an asshole who was bombing the asshole who was bombing the Kurds while lying out of his ass that the reason he is bombing the asshole who is bombing the Kurds is because the asshole who is bombing the Kurds is getting ready to bomb US, which he wasn't.
So the asshole was thinking if he told the truth he might not get to bomb and so he will lie to get his way. That asshole was supposed to work for us, by the way.
So what you are really saying is that you are all for genocide, and preventing it no matter what the public reason is, is wrong. Nice. See you in hell my friend.
No. I think the point is prison shouldn't be used as punishment. It's only function should be removing dangerous people from society and rehabilitating those that are able.
The idea that we are spending our money to put people in "time-out" for using drugs, or any other victimless crime is fucking stupid and any logical person knows that.
Studies have shown that interactive constructive environments in jails/prisons improve behavior and rehabilitation rates. So maybe they don't need mindless entertainment like TV, but I hardly think 23 hours of bare concrete is a better choice.
What sucks is that the government knows they make more money and create more jobs putting otherwise innocent people in prison, than doing what the majority of people want: legalization and taxation. This doesn't even take into account the dirty politicians with inside connections in the prison construction and security industries.
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Sort of. It seems that there's a group of mods who've decided that anything that's subjective, or opinionated will be marked Flamebait. Any joke that they whoosh on gets marked Troll.
Solution(?):
Metamoderate. Hopefully that lowers the chances of them getting to mod again.
No, its just TheCarp's suggestion that we should make prison pleasant because we have bad laws that put "good" people behind bars is retarded. Prison is meant to be punishment, if you don't agree with some of the laws write your congressman.
Spoken like a true person that knows absolutely nothing about the US prison system nor the laws that place people in them.
Mod parent up please. Regardless of your point of view it is true, there are many non-violent people being held in prison for "petty" crimes that didn't hurt anyone but the offender.
Just because he had no "authority" didn't mean he didn't assert control. I seem to recall that it was Cheney's office that provided the falsified intelligence that was used to justify the war in Iraq. Authority is only required if you have ethics.
Such an asinine statement. Who has more ethics, the asshole gassing the Kurds or the asshole that bombs the asshole gassing the Kurds (regardless of the reason)?
Never ascribe to incompetence that which can be explained by greedy self-interest. Is it possible that this was deliberate? After all, they deliberately rooted thousands of PCs (inclusing mine) a few years ago, so you KNOW they're evil even by corporate standards, and they're charging $150 to fix a problem that their "update" caused.
They won't brick MY PS3, because there's no way in hell I'll buy another product from the company that rooted my computer with a trojan in a music CD. Why do people keep buying stuff from this company? I won't -- once bitten, twice shy. Buy from Sony and you're asking to get screwed, with sand as lube.
Hmm. I like Microsoft and I like Sony products (MS xbox/xbox360/xp/vista/7, and Sony PSP-1001/32"XBR6)... Part of me wants to see Sony and Microsoft corporations merge. You know, just to see the slurry of nerd rage on/.
Microsoft would have to restructure a part of their OS to make that possible but with 'turning IE off' you can effectivly hide IE from the user completely so it's not a bad deal, the average user will never know it's still there.
Also, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Microsoft Update and Windows Update require the use of IE?
will introduce myself as your newly appointed, genetically self-modified, cybernetic overlord once I get my hands (manipulators?) on one of these bad boys.
You are trolling the wrong crowd. The primary competitors to MS here are Google and Apple - possibly Palm. You need to blast Google on privacy issues or complain about the price of Apple's hardware. On the off chance that there is a Palm fanboi here, rattle on about how few applications there are for that platform.
Hey I resemble that statement! FYI Palm just dropped a bunch of new apps on their app store less than a week ago.
On the other hand... if the journalist doesn't mind becoming a criminal themselves, they could choose to break any or all these laws.. once they publish the recording, it cannot easily be suppressed.
Amen. Relating to the story, apparently if you are a college student you can participate in these criminal activities and the fanbois will support you.
+5 Insightful really? To legally intercept and record conversations of suspected criminals in the USA you need a judge to issue a fucking warrant. I am not a lawyer but I don't think I need to be to make that statement. (Oh and please don't try and quote Patriot Act shit on this, it will just make me laugh)
No, you DON'T need a warrant to record private conversations of suspected criminals (or anybody), unless you are a government official acting in a capacity of law enforcement.
Private citizens can record whatever the hell they want, unless there are specific laws against it. Some states require every party to consent to recording conversations. Many do not.
Yes you DO need a warrant to perform a wiretap. Period. A phone call, email, IM, etc, are all protected speech. I can happily arrange an experiment, one in which you illegally perform a wiretap on me, and one in which I alert the authorities of your behavior. Would you like to participate?
There have been studies on how far people travel daily/weekly/monthly. To do so, the study used thousands of people's locations based on cellphones. The participants of the study were fully unaware that they were being tracked for months. At least this one isn't scary...
I don't trust college kids, most of them today are fanbois. I don't trust the government, most of them are totalitarians, egalitarians, corporatists or socialists. That said, I trust the government officials 1000 times more than I trust some college prick.
Where is the oversight? Where is the transparency? Which judge signed the wire tap warrant that gave these motherfuckers the legal right to spy on people? The fact is, no judge in their right mind could ever sign a broad sweeping warrant against multiple John Does, it's just not possible. Making this "study" a complete fraud, a crime, unethical, and a violation of the Constitutional rights of everyone they spied on.
Please mod me flamebait again I really need to lower my Karma.
By your own flawed logic, GNU Hurd is a complete failure. At least Microsoft is shipping something, even if they know the next version is much much better...
I know it's hard for Linux zealots to comprehend, but in the real world often times a corporation cannot abandon a lesser product due to contractual obligations. Go ahead and mod me troll or flamebait or whatever it is you need to mod me because this post hurts your feelings.
This is more like intercepting and recording the conversations had among a network of criminals, which yields a lot of good insights into how these organizations operate. This can be extremely valuable information if it's forwarded to appropriate law enforcement personnel, which don't always have the technical talent or resources to conduct investigations like this in the first place.
+5 Insightful really? To legally intercept and record conversations of suspected criminals in the USA you need a judge to issue a fucking warrant. I am not a lawyer but I don't think I need to be to make that statement. (Oh and please don't try and quote Patriot Act shit on this, it will just make me laugh)
I have to now wonder what other communications these college guys intercepted besides the botnet chatter. They, and many people commenting, are trying to make it sound as if it's completely legal to intercept internet communications from anyone I choose, as long as I write a paper about how I was really just studying the botnet that already controlled that guy's computer.
You mean colleges and universities are held to a double standard? Blasphemy! Next you'll be trying to tell me that politicians and government officials are held to a double standard...
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Who has more ethics, the asshole gassing the Kurds or the asshole that bombs the asshole gassing the Kurds (regardless of the reason)?
Huh? There was no "asshole gassing the Kurds". There was an "asshole who gassed the Kurds over a decade previously".
I mean, you aren't seriously trying to imply that GWB's actions were an attempt to prevent/stop an attack that happened back in 1988, are you? Because I'm pretty sure that asshole didn't have time travel technology.
Are you actually trying to prove that Saddam Hussein was not actively engaged in a Kurdish genocide? I actually think the specific time he used the gas is completely irrelevant... He gassed them, he shot them, he bombed them and he stole their land. Who's the bigger asshole now?
How about the asshole who gave the asshole gassing the Kurds the gas in the first place?
Oh right, that would be Donald Rumsfeld who completed that deal during the Reagen administration, not Richard Cheney.
I'm sorry when exactly do you think Regan took office? The Iraqi's were trying to kill all the Kurds since about 1960. Killing the Kurds and stealing their oilfields. So what if the gas was purchased and used later, the genocide attempt was going on for 20 years prior.
I just love it when the frothing-at-the-mouth liberals try to blame a single, US "official" for doing something EVEYRONE FUCKING KNOWS was the right thing to do, even if the reason was falsified.
An asshole who bombs the asshole who is bombing the Kurds while telling us that the reason he is bombing the asshole who is bombing the Kurds is because that asshole is bombing the Kurds is not such an asshole. OUR asshole, however, was an asshole who was bombing the asshole who was bombing the Kurds while lying out of his ass that the reason he is bombing the asshole who is bombing the Kurds is because the asshole who is bombing the Kurds is getting ready to bomb US, which he wasn't.
So the asshole was thinking if he told the truth he might not get to bomb and so he will lie to get his way. That asshole was supposed to work for us, by the way.
So what you are really saying is that you are all for genocide, and preventing it no matter what the public reason is, is wrong. Nice. See you in hell my friend.
No. I think the point is prison shouldn't be used as punishment. It's only function should be removing dangerous people from society and rehabilitating those that are able. The idea that we are spending our money to put people in "time-out" for using drugs, or any other victimless crime is fucking stupid and any logical person knows that. Studies have shown that interactive constructive environments in jails/prisons improve behavior and rehabilitation rates. So maybe they don't need mindless entertainment like TV, but I hardly think 23 hours of bare concrete is a better choice.
What sucks is that the government knows they make more money and create more jobs putting otherwise innocent people in prison, than doing what the majority of people want: legalization and taxation. This doesn't even take into account the dirty politicians with inside connections in the prison construction and security industries.
Answer: Sort of. It seems that there's a group of mods who've decided that anything that's subjective, or opinionated will be marked Flamebait. Any joke that they whoosh on gets marked Troll.
Solution(?): Metamoderate. Hopefully that lowers the chances of them getting to mod again.
Excellent idea!
No, its just TheCarp's suggestion that we should make prison pleasant because we have bad laws that put "good" people behind bars is retarded. Prison is meant to be punishment, if you don't agree with some of the laws write your congressman.
Spoken like a true person that knows absolutely nothing about the US prison system nor the laws that place people in them.
Mod parent up please. Regardless of your point of view it is true, there are many non-violent people being held in prison for "petty" crimes that didn't hurt anyone but the offender.
Just because he had no "authority" didn't mean he didn't assert control. I seem to recall that it was Cheney's office that provided the falsified intelligence that was used to justify the war in Iraq. Authority is only required if you have ethics.
Such an asinine statement. Who has more ethics, the asshole gassing the Kurds or the asshole that bombs the asshole gassing the Kurds (regardless of the reason)?
Better yet, how can I patent my own DNA?
Never ascribe to incompetence that which can be explained by greedy self-interest. Is it possible that this was deliberate? After all, they deliberately rooted thousands of PCs (inclusing mine) a few years ago, so you KNOW they're evil even by corporate standards, and they're charging $150 to fix a problem that their "update" caused.
They won't brick MY PS3, because there's no way in hell I'll buy another product from the company that rooted my computer with a trojan in a music CD. Why do people keep buying stuff from this company? I won't -- once bitten, twice shy. Buy from Sony and you're asking to get screwed, with sand as lube.
Hmm. I like Microsoft and I like Sony products (MS xbox/xbox360/xp/vista/7, and Sony PSP-1001/32"XBR6)... Part of me wants to see Sony and Microsoft corporations merge. You know, just to see the slurry of nerd rage on /.
Microsoft would have to restructure a part of their OS to make that possible but with 'turning IE off' you can effectivly hide IE from the user completely so it's not a bad deal, the average user will never know it's still there.
Also, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Microsoft Update and Windows Update require the use of IE?
Capitalism is evil.
I think you more properly meant that the people doing evil are doing it under the guise of capitalism.
Well, you're inviting me to record your conversation. So I'm pretty sure I will be okay. I'm game.
Ahh, so asking you to break the law is justification for breaking the law? I see how your mind works now...
Nope. Didn't say the person should love college or even go to it. I just said he hated it. You're the arrogant one. :-P
So then, what were you trying to say? Sigh.
will introduce myself as your newly appointed, genetically self-modified, cybernetic overlord once I get my hands (manipulators?) on one of these bad boys.
You are trolling the wrong crowd. The primary competitors to MS here are Google and Apple - possibly Palm. You need to blast Google on privacy issues or complain about the price of Apple's hardware. On the off chance that there is a Palm fanboi here, rattle on about how few applications there are for that platform.
Hey I resemble that statement! FYI Palm just dropped a bunch of new apps on their app store less than a week ago.
But I still prefer BSD...
Amen!
Go ahead and mod me troll or flamebait or whatever it is you need to mod me because this post hurts your feelings.
I can't, I've already posted. Someone else do the honors please.
If I were a fanboi too I'd offer you a hug.
On the other hand... if the journalist doesn't mind becoming a criminal themselves, they could choose to break any or all these laws.. once they publish the recording, it cannot easily be suppressed.
Amen. Relating to the story, apparently if you are a college student you can participate in these criminal activities and the fanbois will support you.
+5 Insightful really? To legally intercept and record conversations of suspected criminals in the USA you need a judge to issue a fucking warrant. I am not a lawyer but I don't think I need to be to make that statement. (Oh and please don't try and quote Patriot Act shit on this, it will just make me laugh)
No, you DON'T need a warrant to record private conversations of suspected criminals (or anybody), unless you are a government official acting in a capacity of law enforcement.
Private citizens can record whatever the hell they want, unless there are specific laws against it. Some states require every party to consent to recording conversations. Many do not.
Yes you DO need a warrant to perform a wiretap. Period. A phone call, email, IM, etc, are all protected speech. I can happily arrange an experiment, one in which you illegally perform a wiretap on me, and one in which I alert the authorities of your behavior. Would you like to participate?
There have been studies on how far people travel daily/weekly/monthly. To do so, the study used thousands of people's locations based on cellphones. The participants of the study were fully unaware that they were being tracked for months. At least this one isn't scary...
I don't trust college kids, most of them today are fanbois. I don't trust the government, most of them are totalitarians, egalitarians, corporatists or socialists. That said, I trust the government officials 1000 times more than I trust some college prick.
Where is the oversight? Where is the transparency? Which judge signed the wire tap warrant that gave these motherfuckers the legal right to spy on people? The fact is, no judge in their right mind could ever sign a broad sweeping warrant against multiple John Does, it's just not possible. Making this "study" a complete fraud, a crime, unethical, and a violation of the Constitutional rights of everyone they spied on.
Please mod me flamebait again I really need to lower my Karma.
By your own flawed logic, GNU Hurd is a complete failure. At least Microsoft is shipping something, even if they know the next version is much much better...
I know it's hard for Linux zealots to comprehend, but in the real world often times a corporation cannot abandon a lesser product due to contractual obligations. Go ahead and mod me troll or flamebait or whatever it is you need to mod me because this post hurts your feelings.
This is more like intercepting and recording the conversations had among a network of criminals, which yields a lot of good insights into how these organizations operate. This can be extremely valuable information if it's forwarded to appropriate law enforcement personnel, which don't always have the technical talent or resources to conduct investigations like this in the first place.
+5 Insightful really? To legally intercept and record conversations of suspected criminals in the USA you need a judge to issue a fucking warrant. I am not a lawyer but I don't think I need to be to make that statement. (Oh and please don't try and quote Patriot Act shit on this, it will just make me laugh)
I have to now wonder what other communications these college guys intercepted besides the botnet chatter. They, and many people commenting, are trying to make it sound as if it's completely legal to intercept internet communications from anyone I choose, as long as I write a paper about how I was really just studying the botnet that already controlled that guy's computer.
You mean colleges and universities are held to a double standard? Blasphemy! Next you'll be trying to tell me that politicians and government officials are held to a double standard...
Is a ridiculously easy way to present your data in a "prettified" form. The ExtJS forums are full of useful advice and code samples. As for the licenses: http://www.extjs.com/products/license.php