is the most lame and incompetent governmental body I have ever tought of. If I was USian, I would make a campaign to do a full restructure of it, because this is completely insane.
Gimp: Well, yes it uses Gtk. It's not the GNOME tool kit. And that's a great VERSION NUMBER TOO LOW, MUST BE BAD PROGRAM quip at the end there. The problem IMHO is not that the version number is too low, is that because of GTK, (it's the GIMP ToolKit after all) they had to rewrite the whole thing... *BUT* GIMP beats anything in KDE for image manip, so GNOME 1 x 0 KDE So Gaim is better than Kopete. I'm not sure how this is an example of how GNOME apps are more primitive. Now *that's* a twist. Let me put a word in this for you: I tried both, Kopete beats Gaim. GNOME 1 x 1 KDE So Rhythmbox is better than Juk... yes, yes, I can think I can see your point now... Your twisting abilities in use here, but less. But really, Rhy beats Juk, for a nose, but GNOME 2 x 1 KDE. So you don't like Galeon because it's based off of Mozilla, which you don't like. The facts, the irrefutable facts, I drown in them. I, personally, hit a draw here. In one hand, Gecko renders CSS beautifully and has the most polished JS machine... in the other hand, it's a drag (KHTML is fast, fast, fast) and is less IE-quirks compatible. I still use Konqui all the time, and FireFox in the cases it does not work. G 2.5 x 1.5 K Nautilus can drag and drop across many protocols, but I won't argue that its better than KIOSlave, which is nice and functional. No words needed: G 2.5 x 2.5 K Congradulations, you have pointed that KDE has better DnD than GNOME. Therefore, GNOME and gtk are silly things. I don't remember the parent saying GNOME and GTK being silly things. Parity problems, maybe. Tie-breakers (to me:) CD burning = almost a tie, but K3b has amazing functionality that Nautilus doesn't. Customizability = I am a KDE-fan in this item; it's my *personal* preference. The themes = KDE's themes (plastik in special) rules. KOffice.
I like c++, and my toughts about it are just the way around yours: I don't like the template syntax (but the rest of the language left no other choice); I like the OO model, but I think it could be better (when they introduced RTTI, they should have introduced metaclasses instead); and I loathe ObjectiveC because of its dynamisms (templates are *so* much efficient, and can even *prevent* code bloat if you use'm right!) Now, about standardizing protocols, I think I would go the Y-way: put a lot of functionality in the display server, very, very extensible protocol and *in the server* you plug in the stuff you want. Fast, remotable, etc. etc.
You should be modded +Inf Very Very Funny. Have you seen -- because you certainly have not used -- the current version of those widgets? (as in Gnome 2.6 or KDE 3.2?) They are *far* smoother than any version of Windows -- including XP.
1. glib is an attempt to bring one of the c++ features to c (classes, vtables, virtual methods) -- it works. but in c++ it's far easier; 2. once I was in this c++ shop, and they said: we don't do operator overload; it's dangerous! what if you overload operator+(point&,point&) to subtract the coordinates of the points? and I answered: (a) why in heavens one would do something so braindead? (b) operator overloading has its place; it's not to be taken lightly, and it's not to to such brain damage; it's to overload operator+ to when you would do a method called plus and substitute Vector c = a.plus(b) by Vector c = a + b; which is far more expressive; 3. RAII: Resource acquiring in initialization! No "finally" keyword!!! No "goto cleanup_this; cleanup_this: clean_x(); return" want a file? open it! "fstream f("gee.txt", ios::read)"! when it goes out of scope (by way of return, even, or an exception) it will be closed!!! No garbage collection large cycle of hmm-is-this-being-used-yet! 4. Everything else is unnecessary complication. IMHO
Qt/Free is GPLd. You can make any proprietary internal app with it. Period. Not even Trolltech can impose additional restrictions over GPL. Not anymore, at least.
Does everybody need a DVD player too ? and an SUV ? and all the other crap people in the west spend their money on ? Short answer: yes. Long answer: yes, because if there wasn't the industrial mass-produced goods, you can't have enough economic incentive (i.e., money) to produce food for everybody. If, today, anyone tried to "cut the crap" from everyone, imagine... laying out ever industry worker, every repairman, then in a few months they don't have how to support themselves, *nor* the state has the money to support them in welfare. Pretty grim scenario, uh? (Before you ask: the same happens, in a slower time-scale, if you just cut the "luxury crap". vide russian economy, 1975-1995.
(1) the parent post is brought to you by the USian govment propaganda machine. indirectly, by way of one of its drones. (2) t's'ok, the DEA guys have to support themselves, too. (3) no laws against any drug is fair. USian laws and their emulations (BR laws, even) aren't fair. they treat people who take drugs also on pair with people who trade drugs. (4) alcohol has worse social effects than marijuana. tobacco has worse health effects than marijuana. marijuana is not a hard drug (and will not make you madder than booze) regardless of what Uncle Sam told you. (5) obey all laws... make your congressmen change the unfair ones.
Beautiful, you provided your own counter-argument: Given that the python interpreter is without bugs, the code is bug free. The problem is: (1) the python interpreter is not bug-free; (2) even if that was possible (the python interpreter being bug-free), it would be impossible to prove it bug-free.
What about "we cannot allow people who want to use any drug (as opposed to some drugs like alcohol an tobacco) to be criminalized, and the other people who gets tru the cracks of our surveillance to get the other people their drugs to be criminalized too, and also to markup the price of their drugs ooover too much, and continue to be a functioning, growing society?" that would be a start...
Bad example. in the current big DE's (kde/gnome) common digital cameras work mostly seamlessly. plug it, kamera comes up, download photos, live your life.
Besides, back to you first paragraph, I'd say: joe user does not do a lot of choosing today.
(comp shop talk: salesman) Hmm... what processor you want, sir? we have p4/2.1, p4/2.6, p4/3, athlonxp/2.2 and opteron/2 (buyer) gimme the 3GHz thing. (or: economic buyer) gimme what is cheaper. (salesman) do you want windows and word installed? it's R$ 750 (US$ 250). (loaded buyer) yeah, sure. (economic buyer) nah, I have a cousin who has it all in a box and he'll come over and install it to me.
(at home, both buyers, cheap one after cousin leaves) where is the internet icon? here. mmm. search for hot grits natalie portman. hmmm. (yells at wife) BRING ME MY BEER.
is on you to prove me that the whole python interpreter (that's what it seems) is without bugs and that this exact phrase 'Hello, world' won't trigger any hidden bug.
where does this relates with c++ and bounds checking (I mean, the commutativity of [])?
in the case of p[n] == *(p + n), the bounds checking is done when you add n to p, not when you try to dereference the result. take a look in good STL implementations and you'll see it.
You know unix so you should know off syslog. Syslog writes the logs not the firewall process. Newsflash: there is no firewall process. iptables hooks itself to the low-level processing of the packet that just arrived in the network interface. This way: packet --> network --> eth0 --> iptables will look at it, decide what to do with it, whether it should drop it, or reject it, or change some things and go on. So, guess what! iptables is running as root? no, better yet! it's running in kernel space, with full destructive powers. Inject some code into iptables via some custom-crafted network package and voila... you have the same recipe for desaster.
Question, do you think a joe average user cares about whether it is Java running, or do you think Joe cares that it works? if LimeWire does not work, joe_avg_usr will complain. period.
The current fractured state of Linux is it's wealth and it's downfall. I, personally, think it's just its wealth. It means, while Win is only one (or 5), a good sysadmin for some enterprise (or a good system engineer) will chose correctly a system for any specific usage. He can choose Debian Desktop or UserLinux Desktop or Java Desktop for all his desktop workstations, something else for its servers, and even non-linux-but-free-software solutions when adequated (p.ex., OpenBSD for a firewall, NetBSD for an embedded appliance, etc etc etc)
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is the most lame and incompetent governmental body I have ever tought of. If I was USian, I would make a campaign to do a full restructure of it, because this is completely insane.
And what the *fsck* does it mean, even if the data has a Gaussian distribution?
to the second one, send your resume :-)
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Gimp: Well, yes it uses Gtk. It's not the GNOME tool kit. And that's a great VERSION NUMBER TOO LOW, MUST BE BAD PROGRAM quip at the end there.
The problem IMHO is not that the version number is too low, is that because of GTK, (it's the GIMP ToolKit after all) they had to rewrite the whole thing... *BUT* GIMP beats anything in KDE for image manip, so GNOME 1 x 0 KDE
So Gaim is better than Kopete. I'm not sure how this is an example of how GNOME apps are more primitive.
Now *that's* a twist. Let me put a word in this for you: I tried both, Kopete beats Gaim. GNOME 1 x 1 KDE
So Rhythmbox is better than Juk... yes, yes, I can think I can see your point now...
Your twisting abilities in use here, but less. But really, Rhy beats Juk, for a nose, but GNOME 2 x 1 KDE.
So you don't like Galeon because it's based off of Mozilla, which you don't like. The facts, the irrefutable facts, I drown in them.
I, personally, hit a draw here. In one hand, Gecko renders CSS beautifully and has the most polished JS machine... in the other hand, it's a drag (KHTML is fast, fast, fast) and is less IE-quirks compatible. I still use Konqui all the time, and FireFox in the cases it does not work. G 2.5 x 1.5 K
Nautilus can drag and drop across many protocols, but I won't argue that its better than KIOSlave, which is nice and functional.
No words needed: G 2.5 x 2.5 K
Congradulations, you have pointed that KDE has better DnD than GNOME. Therefore, GNOME and gtk are silly things.
I don't remember the parent saying GNOME and GTK being silly things. Parity problems, maybe.
Tie-breakers (to me:)
CD burning = almost a tie, but K3b has amazing functionality that Nautilus doesn't.
Customizability = I am a KDE-fan in this item; it's my *personal* preference.
The themes = KDE's themes (plastik in special) rules.
KOffice.
I like c++, and my toughts about it are just the way around yours: I don't like the template syntax (but the rest of the language left no other choice); I like the OO model, but I think it could be better (when they introduced RTTI, they should have introduced metaclasses instead); and I loathe ObjectiveC because of its dynamisms (templates are *so* much efficient, and can even *prevent* code bloat if you use'm right!)
Now, about standardizing protocols, I think I would go the Y-way: put a lot of functionality in the display server, very, very extensible protocol and *in the server* you plug in the stuff you want. Fast, remotable, etc. etc.
You should be modded +Inf Very Very Funny.
Have you seen -- because you certainly have not used -- the current version of those widgets? (as in Gnome 2.6 or KDE 3.2?) They are *far* smoother than any version of Windows -- including XP.
I happen to think that this is ontopic.
1. glib is an attempt to bring one of the c++ features to c (classes, vtables, virtual methods) -- it works. but in c++ it's far easier;
2. once I was in this c++ shop, and they said: we don't do operator overload; it's dangerous! what if you overload operator+(point&,point&) to subtract the coordinates of the points? and I answered: (a) why in heavens one would do something so braindead? (b) operator overloading has its place; it's not to be taken lightly, and it's not to to such brain damage; it's to overload operator+ to when you would do a method called plus and substitute Vector c = a.plus(b) by Vector c = a + b; which is far more expressive;
3. RAII: Resource acquiring in initialization! No "finally" keyword!!! No "goto cleanup_this; cleanup_this: clean_x(); return" want a file? open it! "fstream f("gee.txt", ios::read)"! when it goes out of scope (by way of return, even, or an exception) it will be closed!!! No garbage collection large cycle of hmm-is-this-being-used-yet!
4. Everything else is unnecessary complication.
IMHO
Qt/Free is GPLd. You can make any proprietary internal app with it. Period. Not even Trolltech can impose additional restrictions over GPL. Not anymore, at least.
Nope. Not there.
Does everybody need a DVD player too ? and an SUV ? and all the other crap people in the west spend their money on ? ... laying out ever industry worker, every repairman, then in a few months they don't have how to support themselves, *nor* the state has the money to support them in welfare. Pretty grim scenario, uh? (Before you ask: the same happens, in a slower time-scale, if you just cut the "luxury crap". vide russian economy, 1975-1995.
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: yes, because if there wasn't the industrial mass-produced goods, you can't have enough economic incentive (i.e., money) to produce food for everybody. If, today, anyone tried to "cut the crap" from everyone, imagine
I dispute I do not have AIDS. But I've never had it before. (duh)
Yeah, babelfish good work *except* that it translated Rio (de Janeiro) to River :-)
But it does not work with a really important component of my hardware inventory: USB wifi adapters. Once it does, I'll put it all on it.
Yeah, you seem to have it. Brain damage. Get it examined.
(1) the parent post is brought to you by the USian govment propaganda machine. indirectly, by way of one of its drones.
(2) t's'ok, the DEA guys have to support themselves, too.
(3) no laws against any drug is fair. USian laws and their emulations (BR laws, even) aren't fair. they treat people who take drugs also on pair with people who trade drugs.
(4) alcohol has worse social effects than marijuana. tobacco has worse health effects than marijuana. marijuana is not a hard drug (and will not make you madder than booze) regardless of what Uncle Sam told you.
(5) obey all laws... make your congressmen change the unfair ones.
Beautiful, you provided your own counter-argument: Given that the python interpreter is without bugs, the code is bug free. The problem is: (1) the python interpreter is not bug-free; (2) even if that was possible (the python interpreter being bug-free), it would be impossible to prove it bug-free.
What about "we cannot allow people who want to use any drug (as opposed to some drugs like alcohol an tobacco) to be criminalized, and the other people who gets tru the cracks of our surveillance to get the other people their drugs to be criminalized too, and also to markup the price of their drugs ooover too much, and continue to be a functioning, growing society?" that would be a start...
Bad example. in the current big DE's (kde/gnome) common digital cameras work mostly seamlessly. plug it, kamera comes up, download photos, live your life.
Besides, back to you first paragraph, I'd say: joe user does not do a lot of choosing today.
(comp shop talk: salesman) Hmm... what processor you want, sir? we have p4/2.1, p4/2.6, p4/3, athlonxp/2.2 and opteron/2
(buyer) gimme the 3GHz thing.
(or: economic buyer) gimme what is cheaper.
(salesman) do you want windows and word installed? it's R$ 750 (US$ 250).
(loaded buyer) yeah, sure.
(economic buyer) nah, I have a cousin who has it all in a box and he'll come over and install it to me.
(at home, both buyers, cheap one after cousin leaves) where is the internet icon? here. mmm. search for hot grits natalie portman. hmmm. (yells at wife) BRING ME MY BEER.
is on you to prove me that the whole python interpreter (that's what it seems) is without bugs and that this exact phrase 'Hello, world' won't trigger any hidden bug.
Is to sue SCO for fraud and extortion. And invalidate his contract for the licenses, then donate the money to FSF and OSDL.
where does this relates with c++ and bounds checking (I mean, the commutativity of [])?
in the case of p[n] == *(p + n), the bounds checking is done when you add n to p, not when you try to dereference the result. take a look in good STL implementations and you'll see it.
You know unix so you should know off syslog. Syslog writes the logs not the firewall process.
Newsflash: there is no firewall process. iptables hooks itself to the low-level processing of the packet that just arrived in the network interface.
This way: packet --> network --> eth0 --> iptables will look at it, decide what to do with it, whether it should drop it, or reject it, or change some things and go on.
So, guess what! iptables is running as root? no, better yet! it's running in kernel space, with full destructive powers. Inject some code into iptables via some custom-crafted network package and voila... you have the same recipe for desaster.
Question, do you think a joe average user cares about whether it is Java running, or do you think Joe cares that it works?
if LimeWire does not work, joe_avg_usr will complain. period.
The current fractured state of Linux is it's wealth and it's downfall. I, personally, think it's just its wealth. It means, while Win is only one (or 5), a good sysadmin for some enterprise (or a good system engineer) will chose correctly a system for any specific usage. He can choose Debian Desktop or UserLinux Desktop or Java Desktop for all his desktop workstations, something else for its servers, and even non-linux-but-free-software solutions when adequated (p.ex., OpenBSD for a firewall, NetBSD for an embedded appliance, etc etc etc)
writing bug-free software is manageable: not only it is notmanageable, it's impossible.