My ONLY complaint with slackware is installing new software, and updating existing software. I don't mind the source approach, but I wish it implemented FreeBSD's ports, or emerge from Gentoo, or something similar.
I've never had need for it -- use the regular source tarballs and use checkinstall. tar -xjvf && cd &&./configure --sysconfdir=/etc/whatever && make && checkinstall -S --nodoc --install for most things. If you want to remove the package, you can. if you want to upgrade, you can.
I'll admit, debian's source package format is an ideal -- the unaltered source, patches and installers. Very nice. Checkinstall gets you close to the functionality, and 9 times out of 10 you don't need to patch anything anyway.
Like Slackware, what did it borrow from the other distros out today? Nothing.
Well -current has logrotate which came from RedHat (thank you RedHat!) and also the various crond.daily/weekly/monthly... IMO there's nothing wrong with sharing source or good ideas.
I got a box running testing/unstable it has all the bleeding edge packages and that baby is anything but unstable.
That's bullshit. Where's superfreeswan (freeswan with x.509, NAT-t and delete-SA)? How about mplayer or the other stuff like libdvd-css? With enough screwing around you can find pacakges for some of this stuff, but I can't be bothered... Debian is wonderful if you're an average computer user and don't want any hassles with packaging. If you need anything nonstandard or even a little esoteric, you're hosed. I didn't decide to use a packager only to have to keep track of the stuff that doesn't fit in it in my head. Slackware and checkinstall do the job perfect for me.
As a slack user since 3.3 I would have to disagree -- rc.d/rc.* works good for most things, but the sysv-style is a LOT easier to machine-maintain, and the execution path is NOT significantly more complex, IMO.
I use checkinstall (google for it) to create my slack packages... it'll create bastardized deb and rpms too, but it generates correct slack packages (since slack packages are so simple).
I've learnt much more with Slackware than I would have had I used Mandrake or Red Hat etc.
The old rule of thumb was that if you had to find an answer to a non-trivial linux question, you sought out a slackware user on IRC... Now LFS is likely replacing that, but they have decided to hang out on their own IRC network... bah.
Gentoo is a GREAT distribution for new Linux users that are interested in learning how linux works from an organizational point of view (directory structure and file layouts, config locations, etc) - from the ground up..
I'm sorry but Gentoo does not teach any of that -- it teaches you how to use portage and emerge. Slackware doesn't teach you any of that either (I'm a diehard slack fan) -- if you want a distro that teaches you where things go and what things do, LFS is a good choice, IMO. If you just copy and paste the directions you won't learn much, but if you read what you're doing and the explanations given for each tarball, you will learn quite a bit.
I have a Sony D8 camera with IEEE1394 in -- what most people don't realize is that a 60M D8 tape is really only 30 minutes in digital mode -- D8 shuttles the tape by the head at twice the speed of regular Hi-8 (my dad's old camcorder is a Hi-8).
Would XWT work for you? You design your UI in an XML/JavaScript environment and then interact with a server though XMLRPC or SOAP. Very slick. I just hope the demo server is up when you look at it; they've been having some DNS issues, IIRC.
What happened to the days when a couple of guys would get in a fight and their parents would be called and nothing else, hell, now the school calls the cops.
That's because the fuckers are bringing guns and other weapons into the fights these days. I'd call the cops too.
Have you looked at Appgen? I am currently evaluating them as a Quickbooks/Quicken replacement, and even as a MySYS/AccPAC replacement. Multiplatform, modular, reads Quicken files natively, seems to know what a Canadian is... So far so good.
Wow, I'd fire him immediately if I were his boss. He just opened up the company to massive litigation. It'd be akin to the phone company saying "we're going to monitor phone traffic and don't want common carrier status anymore". Moronic.
This is in no way anything like the telco doing that. I think that is an excellent way to curb the behaviour. If you want the music at work, bring in your CDs or even your own computer (geez, a headless P2-233 with 64M of memory would be more than enough) and leave it off the fucking corporate systems. It's not opening up anything to litigation, as the computers are already property of the companies, and can be used for whatever legal purpose the company wants.
Stop what stuff? Creating a pleasant environment to do your job? There is nothing illegal about having music on your computer at home or at work.
Agreed on the pleasant environment but there is nothing in my employee handbook granting me the ability to use the company systems for anything non-company related, including playing music whose legality is in question. It's not up to the company to prove that you own the CDs, and in fact I bet that given the choice between policing that or outright forbidding mp3s, they will chose the latter every time.
If you are an employee, the safe's combination might be a trade secret.
That would be a very hard stretch to try and encompass a safe combination as a trade secret. Trade secrets are typically regarding the process to create something which is sold. And since it's doubtful that the combination to a safe is in any way a secret in making locks, even that particular corner case is hard to believe.
Absolutely! If you've ever taken the top off your computer to change a card or add memory, you should damned well be using a static strap, so I'd expect that most Slashdotters would have one anyway.
Any particular reason that touching the power supply case or any metal part of the case isn't good enough? It's grounded.
Seeing as I don't regularly travel from one end of the room to another when doing upgrades, I touch the case, operate, and close up. I'm well aware of how static damage isn't always readily noticable yet I've not had a bad card, cpu, mobo, DIMM, nada... for over 5 years.
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I'm tempted to go buy a real RAID controller card and get away from software RAID.
What do you think it'll buy you, honestly? I've got a half dozen software RAID1 systems out there, three of them being pounded mightily every day (10k-user ISP mail/radius servers) without so much as a squeak of complaint. Throughput is pretty decent as well:
hdparm -tT/dev/md0
/dev/md0: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.87 seconds =147.13 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.16 seconds = 29.63 MB/sec
(yes I know it's not a thorough benchmark) -- So without taking the drive cache into play, I can hit about 30MB/sec sustained. If I had better drives I bet I could boost those numbers significantly. Probably close to the 90MB/sec I am seeing on my new server, single-drive stats.
The load for RAID1 or RAID1+0 on a modern (PPro and above for ix86) is negligable. RAID5 is a different story, but RAID5 on IDE is a joke anyway.
What I am finding a passion for is LVM, particularly the ability to do RAID1+0 from within LVM by simply giving LVs two PVs to map to, and scattering the PV allocation. That, and the ability to do LVM snapshots for backup... mmmmmm....
because I installed Kivio [thekompany.com] on my laptop so I could build circuit diagrams on my laptop.
Why not use a proper schematic entry program? Hell it's even free and will do autorouting for 2 planes and a restricted (but generous) board size for that price.
About 10 years ago in Detroit some morons dropped a bowling ball off a highway overpass and it went through a windshield of a car and killed a woman who was a passenger.
yes, there have been several incidents of that around north america.... one I recall ended up severely injuring a 10-year old boy who is now badly mentally retarded. IMO that's worse than death... The kid's father was driving, I couldn't imagine that if it happened to my son(s or daughter).
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My ONLY complaint with slackware is installing new software, and updating existing software. I don't mind the source approach, but I wish it implemented FreeBSD's ports, or emerge from Gentoo, or something similar.
I've never had need for it -- use the regular source tarballs and use checkinstall. tar -xjvf && cd && ./configure --sysconfdir=/etc/whatever && make && checkinstall -S --nodoc --install for most things. If you want to remove the package, you can. if you want to upgrade, you can.
I'll admit, debian's source package format is an ideal -- the unaltered source, patches and installers. Very nice. Checkinstall gets you close to the functionality, and 9 times out of 10 you don't need to patch anything anyway.
Like Slackware, what did it borrow from the other distros out today? Nothing.
Well -current has logrotate which came from RedHat (thank you RedHat!) and also the various crond.daily/weekly/monthly... IMO there's nothing wrong with sharing source or good ideas.
I got a box running testing/unstable it has all the bleeding edge packages and that baby is anything but unstable.
That's bullshit. Where's superfreeswan (freeswan with x.509, NAT-t and delete-SA)? How about mplayer or the other stuff like libdvd-css? With enough screwing around you can find pacakges for some of this stuff, but I can't be bothered... Debian is wonderful if you're an average computer user and don't want any hassles with packaging. If you need anything nonstandard or even a little esoteric, you're hosed. I didn't decide to use a packager only to have to keep track of the stuff that doesn't fit in it in my head. Slackware and checkinstall do the job perfect for me.
the /etc/rc.d/ scripts make sense
As a slack user since 3.3 I would have to disagree -- rc.d/rc.* works good for most things, but the sysv-style is a LOT easier to machine-maintain, and the execution path is NOT significantly more complex, IMO.
I use checkinstall (google for it) to create my slack packages... it'll create bastardized deb and rpms too, but it generates correct slack packages (since slack packages are so simple).
I've learnt much more with Slackware than I would have had I used Mandrake or Red Hat etc.
The old rule of thumb was that if you had to find an answer to a non-trivial linux question, you sought out a slackware user on IRC... Now LFS is likely replacing that, but they have decided to hang out on their own IRC network... bah.
Well maybe IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE A K!
It's a capitol 'Y' in a courier font... that's their "symbol" -- I don't believe it's meant to look like a K at all (and in fact, it doesn't).
Gentoo is a GREAT distribution for new Linux users that are interested in learning how linux works from an organizational point of view (directory structure and file layouts, config locations, etc) - from the ground up..
I'm sorry but Gentoo does not teach any of that -- it teaches you how to use portage and emerge. Slackware doesn't teach you any of that either (I'm a diehard slack fan) -- if you want a distro that teaches you where things go and what things do, LFS is a good choice, IMO. If you just copy and paste the directions you won't learn much, but if you read what you're doing and the explanations given for each tarball, you will learn quite a bit.
5*700=3500
We're talking about DVD-R, not CDR.
I have a Sony D8 camera with IEEE1394 in -- what most people don't realize is that a 60M D8 tape is really only 30 minutes in digital mode -- D8 shuttles the tape by the head at twice the speed of regular Hi-8 (my dad's old camcorder is a Hi-8).
Would XWT work for you? You design your UI in an XML/JavaScript environment and then interact with a server though XMLRPC or SOAP. Very slick. I just hope the demo server is up when you look at it; they've been having some DNS issues, IIRC.
What happened to the days when a couple of guys would get in a fight and their parents would be called and nothing else, hell, now the school calls the cops.
That's because the fuckers are bringing guns and other weapons into the fights these days. I'd call the cops too.
Have you looked at Appgen? I am currently evaluating them as a Quickbooks/Quicken replacement, and even as a MySYS/AccPAC replacement. Multiplatform, modular, reads Quicken files natively, seems to know what a Canadian is... So far so good.
Why do people keep buying this stuff when they're just going to complain about it?
Exactly.
IE6 users, try typing about:Mozilla in the address bar
Did that, got a blue background on IE and that's it... no text, nada.
I don't know I would say the average gamer spends this much, but there is a large minority that do.
Large minority? Like what, 49%?
Wow, I'd fire him immediately if I were his boss. He just opened up the company to massive litigation. It'd be akin to the phone company saying "we're going to monitor phone traffic and don't want common carrier status anymore". Moronic.
This is in no way anything like the telco doing that. I think that is an excellent way to curb the behaviour. If you want the music at work, bring in your CDs or even your own computer (geez, a headless P2-233 with 64M of memory would be more than enough) and leave it off the fucking corporate systems. It's not opening up anything to litigation, as the computers are already property of the companies, and can be used for whatever legal purpose the company wants.
Stop what stuff? Creating a pleasant environment to do your job? There is nothing illegal about having music on your computer at home or at work.
Agreed on the pleasant environment but there is nothing in my employee handbook granting me the ability to use the company systems for anything non-company related, including playing music whose legality is in question. It's not up to the company to prove that you own the CDs, and in fact I bet that given the choice between policing that or outright forbidding mp3s, they will chose the latter every time.
If you are an employee, the safe's combination might be a trade secret.
That would be a very hard stretch to try and encompass a safe combination as a trade secret. Trade secrets are typically regarding the process to create something which is sold. And since it's doubtful that the combination to a safe is in any way a secret in making locks, even that particular corner case is hard to believe.
I think your employer would press charges if you "gave out information" on the combination to the finance office's safe!
Doubtful. What would the charge be? Intent to commit theft?
You could very well be fired, but that's not because of a criminal activity.
Absolutely! If you've ever taken the top off your computer to change a card or add memory, you should damned well be using a static strap, so I'd expect that most Slashdotters would have one anyway.
Any particular reason that touching the power supply case or any metal part of the case isn't good enough? It's grounded.
Seeing as I don't regularly travel from one end of the room to another when doing upgrades, I touch the case, operate, and close up. I'm well aware of how static damage isn't always readily noticable yet I've not had a bad card, cpu, mobo, DIMM, nada... for over 5 years.
I'm tempted to go buy a real RAID controller card and get away from software RAID.
What do you think it'll buy you, honestly? I've got a half dozen software RAID1 systems out there, three of them being pounded mightily every day (10k-user ISP mail/radius servers) without so much as a squeak of complaint. Throughput is pretty decent as well:
(yes I know it's not a thorough benchmark) -- So without taking the drive cache into play, I can hit about 30MB/sec sustained. If I had better drives I bet I could boost those numbers significantly. Probably close to the 90MB/sec I am seeing on my new server, single-drive stats.
hdparm -tT /dev/sda
/old/usr/dpt/dptutil -L all
/dev/sda:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 1.55 seconds = 82.58 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 3.03 seconds = 21.12 MB/sec
That's on a 5-drive HW RAID5 SCSI UW2 array... on a P2/233:
#
DPTUTIL Version: 3.14 Date: 3/12/2001 LINUX CLI Configuration Utility
DPT ENGINE Version: 3.14 Date: 3/12/2001 Adaptec LINUX SCSI Engine
# b0 b1 b2 Controller Cache FW NVRAM Serial Status
d0 -- -- DPT PM2654U2 16MB 3013 DPT V1.0 1B-001280 Optimal
Physical View
Address Type Manufacturer/Model Capacity Status
d0b0t1d0 Disk Drive (DASD) WDIGTL WDE9180 ULTRA2 8726MB Optimal
d0b0t2d0 Disk Drive (DASD) QUANTUM ATLAS_V__9_SCA 8754MB Optimal
d0b0t3d0 Disk Drive (DASD) QUANTUM ATLAS10K2-TY092J 8758MB Optimal
d0b0t4d0 Disk Drive (DASD) UNISYS 006904ST39173LC 8686MB Optimal
d0b0t5d0 Disk Drive (DASD) UNISYS 006904ST39173LC 8686MB Optimal
d0b0t6d0 Disk Drive (DASD) WDIGTL WDE9180 ULTRA2 8727MB Optimal
d0b1t1d0 Tape Drive HP C1557A ----- Optimal
d0b1t1d1 Jukebox HP C1557A ----- Optimal
Address Capacity
d0b0t6d0 8727MB Hot Spare
Address Max Speed Actual Rate / Width
d0b0t1d0 Ultra2 80 MB/sec wide
d0b0t2d0 Ultra2 80 MB/sec wide
d0b0t3d0 Ultra2 80 MB/sec wide
d0b0t4d0 Ultra2 80 MB/sec wide
d0b0t5d0 Ultra2 80 MB/sec wide
d0b0t6d0 Ultra2 80 MB/sec wide
d0b1t1d1 Ultra2 67 MB/sec narrow
d0b1t1d0 Ultra2 10 MB/sec narrow
d0b1t1d1 Ultra2 10 MB/sec narrow
# Controller Cache FW NVRAM BIOS SMOR Serial
d0 DPT PM2654U2 16MB 3013 DPT V1.0 1.2A 1.10/15I 1B-001280
Address Manufacturer/Model FW Serial 123456789012
d0b0t1d0 WDIGTL WDE9180 ULTRA2 1.30 WT7050494021 -XXXX--XXO--
d0b0t2d0 QUANTUM ATLAS_V__9_SCA 0230 149023951887 -XXXX---XOX-
d0b0t3d0 QUANTUM ATLAS10K2-TY092J DDD6 169028940164 -XXXX---XOX-
d0b0t4d0 UNISYS 006904ST39173LC 6616 LMK413050000191900TH -XXXX--XXO--
d0b0t5d0 UNISYS 006904ST39173LC 6616 LMB4300700001929H2DQ -XXXX--XXO--
d0b0t6d0 WDIGTL WDE9180 ULTRA2 1.30 WT7050645361 -XXXX--XXO--
d0b1t1d0 HP C1557A U709 ------- --XX---X-O--
d0b1t1d1 HP C1557A U709 ------- --XX---X-O--
Capabilities Map: Column 1 = Soft Reset
Column 2 = Cmd Queuing
Column 3 = Linked Cmds
Column 4 = Synchronous
Column 5 = Wide 16
Column 6 = Wide 32
Column 7 = Relative Addr
Column 8 = SCSI II
Column 9 = S.M.A.R.T.
Column 0 = SCAM
Column 1 = SCSI-3
Column 2 = SAF-TE
X = Capability Exists, - = Capability does not exist, O = Not Supported
The load for RAID1 or RAID1+0 on a modern (PPro and above for ix86) is negligable. RAID5 is a different story, but RAID5 on IDE is a joke anyway.
What I am finding a passion for is LVM, particularly the ability to do RAID1+0 from within LVM by simply giving LVs two PVs to map to, and scattering the PV allocation. That, and the ability to do LVM snapshots for backup... mmmmmm....
because I installed Kivio [thekompany.com] on my laptop so I could build circuit diagrams on my laptop.
Why not use a proper schematic entry program? Hell it's even free and will do autorouting for 2 planes and a restricted (but generous) board size for that price.
Besides, the USAF does a pretty good job of hitting appropriate targets accurately and precisely.
<cough>
About 10 years ago in Detroit some morons dropped a bowling ball off a highway overpass and it went through a windshield of a car and killed a woman who was a passenger.
yes, there have been several incidents of that around north america.... one I recall ended up severely injuring a 10-year old boy who is now badly mentally retarded. IMO that's worse than death... The kid's father was driving, I couldn't imagine that if it happened to my son(s or daughter).