In both cases, these bandwidth numbers are meaningless because you're sharing the bandwidth with every other user on the cable or access point.
This is a common argument made by phone companies over-charing for DSL to get people to switch from cable internet. Oddly enough, my residential cable connection (5mbit/384kbit) performs at just about that level. Accounting for overhead, it's spot on. I live in a neighborhood where EVERYBODY is on cable. The node isn't over-saturated, however. The way you commented, it sounds like you are suggesting that the 5mbit connection is shared amongst ALL cable customers on a node. Uh, no. Maybe you have a really crappy provider where you live, but in the four states I've had a broadband cable connection, I've never once had an issue with not getting the bandwidth advertised. (That would be Time Warner, Oceanic, Comcast, and Cox.)
The one thing I will say though, latency tends to be a tad bit higher on cable than DSL/dedicated circuits. Strangely enough though, I doubt most consumers care about a +10ms difference.:)
WiMax, another name for the 802.16 standard for wireless broadband, has a range of up to 30 miles and can deliver broadband at a theoretical maximum of 75 megabits per second, which is more than 20 times the speed of the fastest wired broadband available commercially.
Funny, TW cable is ~50/month @ 5mbit/s down where I live. 20*5=100 last I checked, which would make the "theoretical" 75mbit/s in fact less than 20 times the speed of the fastest wired broadband available commercially. I'm not even going to start about Verizon FIOS.:P
I'm hosting the images, they are still hosting the html/etc. Let me know if you have trouble with the images loading (monolith@orblivion.com) - if you have troble with the pages, I have nothing to do with that. Cheers, enjoy the pix!
Didn't seem to like the.exe, please change.ex e to.exe in order to download it successfully. Slashdot is busy protecting idiot users who don't know not to run-from-site.exe files. Cheers.
Goto http://www.rage3d.com and check out the drivers for your ATI card. If you have a Radeon, there will be no problems for you running the beta drivers. If you don't have a Radeon, you're probably SOL. If you do, shame on your for not keeping your drivers current.
Uh...and ISP that unplugs somebody for cheating? If I was dropped by my ISP for "cheating", I would sue them immediately unless they had some anti-cheating clause in their contract. That's absolutely absurd. Should we drop every person that surfs to a porn site too? Or what about all the people who go to democratic party websites instead of republican? It's cheating. Not murder.
I'm living in the USA, and I would beg to differ - most Americans are culturally ignorant, and ethnically self-centered. Focusing on America would only be the choice of another ignorant...oh wait, you meant that as a joke...geez, how could I have not seen the humor. Bah.
David
I just don't see why this is such a big issue...so what if they know the approximate location of everybodies machine. As it is, you can find people's locations with arin's whois information on the ip blocks. Not to mention simply reversing the ip, most dialup/dynamic ip user's hosts have the state/city in it. So what is the big issue? What makes it soo important? Who cares if they send a ping, or a few udp packets, or whatever. It doesn't affect a thing, and they know nothing more about you than if they used the tools already available. It's their money, let them waste it on their pointless projects.
Does anybody know some good places to buy parts for doing stuff like this? They all have cool neon lights, fancy glowing things, pulsating LEDs, etc...and I'd like to get my hands on these things. If you have any ideas, please let me know.
Read the first post I made...NFSv3 is not supported in the newest mount from util-linux....and if it is, it doesn't work on the Sparc hardware. I've tried all the patches out as well.
Not impressive:) I've seen 600mhz athlons running stable at 800 and beyond!
David
PS - trying raising the core voltage if you wanna get really nasty with the clock speed. Just keep in mind you'll need LOTS of cooling, and you'll probably end up frying your chip without any electrical knowledge! *DISCLAIMER* YOU _CAN_ fry your computer following that advice, if you do, it is _YOUR_ fault, not mine.
I wasn't comparing BeOS to linux, was I? I certainly didn't mention linux3d's benchmarks either, I don't agree with them. I have every right to complain about things being late. Just because an OS i choose to use comes out late too, does not mean I cannot comment on latency of delivery. But your example is a bad one...2.4.0-testX exists. BeOS R5.0.X does, but there are no significate changes. 2.4.0-testX impliments a ton. Research/contemplate your comments before you make them, ignorant comments waste both your time and mine. What I say I do not say to insult, and I expect the same respect out of others. Oh, FYI, I run BeOS R5 Pro, bought 5 copies actually, in order to help the company. I also promote it around my campus (UT Dallas). So don't feed me the "anti-beos" crap.
I have that same issue when running xmms's OpenGL visualization plugin. I can login from my other machines via ssh, but the keyboard/mouse/screen are locked up hard, even after killing the X process. I think it's the kernel module.
Thanks, will do. I'm always in #debian anyways, it's worth a stop. I remember the issues with the TNT, so I read all the documentation on it, even specified my ram type manually. Issues still exist. Who knows..it's an older card, I don't expect a whole lot. I just wanted to inform people about the issues I have had, so that other TNT users might be prepared:)
Software/university reasons. I am limited to linux, and these junk/trash machines. Did I mention we run 24 nodes over a 10baseT *hub* network? Yea..talk about collisions, no wonder NFSv2 (udp) has issues. Any ideas on a network filesystem which can be mounted as the root filesystem?
Fast OpenGL? I'd like to see how those benchmarks were done:) Also...what about the ETA on OpenGL support released to the masses? What about BONE? BeOS is dead because of Be, Inc's focus shift to BeIA. I hope they make some money off it, don't go bankrupt, and then resume BeOS support. It is an awesome OS, with soo much potential. It's just bastardized at this point in time. Good luck to Be, and good luck to BeOS. But don't quote benchmarks that are performed in ways to benefit a particular OS.
Well, I've been working on a beowulf cluster for my university (UT Dallas) and I have a bunch of Sparc 5 nodes. The problem being - they have no hard drives. Even the kernel is loaded over the network, ie tftp. The root filesystem is mounted via NFS (NFSv2, the v3 support in 2.4 might work, but the version of mount in the latest util-linux does not (at least in sparc architecture)). I need another network filesystem with support for mounting the root filesystem. Is OpenAFS going to be my answer? Or are there any other network filesystems I can use? NFSv2 dies after a day or two of uptime, nodes start dropping off like flies. I suspect it is due to NFSv2's usage of UDP, a vital file doesn't get transfered properly, then the kernel panics. Becayse it can't write to the filesystem, there are no logs. Next step-serial port debugging. But let me know if there are any network filesystems with the ability to mount root filesystem on boot.
Well, I've been running woody for a long time now, as well as using the XF4 debs since they were first introduced. Using the nv driver included with xf4, things are dandy. Using Nvidia's provided binary drivers is another story, completely. If you have an Nvidia card, and can live without 3d acceleration, stick with the XF4 provided driver. Unfortunately for us who like to play Quake3 and do various things which require 3d support (aka blender), you are stuck using Nvidia's drivers. Good luck...every time I use a OpenGL program, and exit, I have to completely exit X before I can run another OpenGL program. Oh...stability...maybe if you run a word processor...but when you are doing heavy 3-d work, things just die. Don't blame xfree86, blame Nvidia. No holy wars over open/closed models, I'm just letting people know.
David
PS - I have an Nvidia TNT...maybe GeForce cards don't have the same issues? I'm running the newest Nvidia binaries as well.
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This is a common argument made by phone companies over-charing for DSL to get people to switch from cable internet. Oddly enough, my residential cable connection (5mbit/384kbit) performs at just about that level. Accounting for overhead, it's spot on. I live in a neighborhood where EVERYBODY is on cable. The node isn't over-saturated, however. The way you commented, it sounds like you are suggesting that the 5mbit connection is shared amongst ALL cable customers on a node. Uh, no. Maybe you have a really crappy provider where you live, but in the four states I've had a broadband cable connection, I've never once had an issue with not getting the bandwidth advertised. (That would be Time Warner, Oceanic, Comcast, and Cox.)
The one thing I will say though, latency tends to be a tad bit higher on cable than DSL/dedicated circuits. Strangely enough though, I doubt most consumers care about a +10ms difference.
FIOS:
:P
http://news.com.com/2300-1034_3-5810578-3.html
30mbps for 199/month, 15mbps for 49/month.
http://news.com.com/2300-1034_3-5810578-2.html
I love such insightful and well researched comments, and the beautiful job of filtering the editors do.
I'm hosting the images, they are still hosting the html/etc. Let me know if you have trouble with the images loading (monolith@orblivion.com) - if you have troble with the pages, I have nothing to do with that. Cheers, enjoy the pix!
David/monolith
Ok. One more time.
o .z ip
http://www.packet-warriors.com/files/mohaampdem
Hopefully slashdot won't break the link this time. Email any comments about the mirror to monolith@packet-warriors.com . Cheers.
Uhg, posted it in the wrong spot too lol. I'll just make a new post and rename it with .zip. Cheers.
Didn't seem to like the .exe, please change .ex e to .exe in order to download it successfully. Slashdot is busy protecting idiot users who don't know not to run-from-site .exe files. Cheers.
http://www.packet-warriors.com/files/mohaampdemo.e xe
Plenty of bandwidth to spare. Please Enjoy.
Comments about the mirror? Email: monolith@packet-warriors.com
Goto http://www.rage3d.com and check out the drivers for your ATI card. If you have a Radeon, there will be no problems for you running the beta drivers. If you don't have a Radeon, you're probably SOL. If you do, shame on your for not keeping your drivers current.
monolith
Uh...and ISP that unplugs somebody for cheating? If I was dropped by my ISP for "cheating", I would sue them immediately unless they had some anti-cheating clause in their contract. That's absolutely absurd. Should we drop every person that surfs to a porn site too? Or what about all the people who go to democratic party websites instead of republican? It's cheating. Not murder.
monolith
I'm living in the USA, and I would beg to differ - most Americans are culturally ignorant, and ethnically self-centered. Focusing on America would only be the choice of another ignorant...oh wait, you meant that as a joke...geez, how could I have not seen the humor. Bah. David
I just don't see why this is such a big issue...so what if they know the approximate location of everybodies machine. As it is, you can find people's locations with arin's whois information on the ip blocks. Not to mention simply reversing the ip, most dialup/dynamic ip user's hosts have the state/city in it. So what is the big issue? What makes it soo important? Who cares if they send a ping, or a few udp packets, or whatever. It doesn't affect a thing, and they know nothing more about you than if they used the tools already available. It's their money, let them waste it on their pointless projects.
David
Does anybody know some good places to buy parts for doing stuff like this? They all have cool neon lights, fancy glowing things, pulsating LEDs, etc...and I'd like to get my hands on these things. If you have any ideas, please let me know.
David
Read the first post I made...NFSv3 is not supported in the newest mount from util-linux....and if it is, it doesn't work on the Sparc hardware. I've tried all the patches out as well.
David
Not impressive :) I've seen 600mhz athlons running stable at 800 and beyond!
David
PS - trying raising the core voltage if you wanna get really nasty with the clock speed. Just keep in mind you'll need LOTS of cooling, and you'll probably end up frying your chip without any electrical knowledge! *DISCLAIMER* YOU _CAN_ fry your computer following that advice, if you do, it is _YOUR_ fault, not mine.
Detonator3 drivers work under linux now??? I thought you had to use the drivers under the linux box...hrm...
David
Been there, done that. I read the docs buddy :) Any ideas *not* covered in the docs that I can try?
David
I wasn't comparing BeOS to linux, was I? I certainly didn't mention linux3d's benchmarks either, I don't agree with them. I have every right to complain about things being late. Just because an OS i choose to use comes out late too, does not mean I cannot comment on latency of delivery. But your example is a bad one...2.4.0-testX exists. BeOS R5.0.X does, but there are no significate changes. 2.4.0-testX impliments a ton. Research/contemplate your comments before you make them, ignorant comments waste both your time and mine. What I say I do not say to insult, and I expect the same respect out of others. Oh, FYI, I run BeOS R5 Pro, bought 5 copies actually, in order to help the company. I also promote it around my campus (UT Dallas). So don't feed me the "anti-beos" crap.
Respectfully,
David
I have that same issue when running xmms's OpenGL visualization plugin. I can login from my other machines via ssh, but the keyboard/mouse/screen are locked up hard, even after killing the X process. I think it's the kernel module.
David
I did that a long time ago - it makes no difference :)
David
Thanks, will do. I'm always in #debian anyways, it's worth a stop. I remember the issues with the TNT, so I read all the documentation on it, even specified my ram type manually. Issues still exist. Who knows..it's an older card, I don't expect a whole lot. I just wanted to inform people about the issues I have had, so that other TNT users might be prepared :)
David
Software/university reasons. I am limited to linux, and these junk/trash machines. Did I mention we run 24 nodes over a 10baseT *hub* network? Yea..talk about collisions, no wonder NFSv2 (udp) has issues. Any ideas on a network filesystem which can be mounted as the root filesystem?
David
Fast OpenGL? I'd like to see how those benchmarks were done :) Also...what about the ETA on OpenGL support released to the masses? What about BONE? BeOS is dead because of Be, Inc's focus shift to BeIA. I hope they make some money off it, don't go bankrupt, and then resume BeOS support. It is an awesome OS, with soo much potential. It's just bastardized at this point in time. Good luck to Be, and good luck to BeOS. But don't quote benchmarks that are performed in ways to benefit a particular OS.
David
Well, I've been working on a beowulf cluster for my university (UT Dallas) and I have a bunch of Sparc 5 nodes. The problem being - they have no hard drives. Even the kernel is loaded over the network, ie tftp. The root filesystem is mounted via NFS (NFSv2, the v3 support in 2.4 might work, but the version of mount in the latest util-linux does not (at least in sparc architecture)). I need another network filesystem with support for mounting the root filesystem. Is OpenAFS going to be my answer? Or are there any other network filesystems I can use? NFSv2 dies after a day or two of uptime, nodes start dropping off like flies. I suspect it is due to NFSv2's usage of UDP, a vital file doesn't get transfered properly, then the kernel panics. Becayse it can't write to the filesystem, there are no logs. Next step-serial port debugging. But let me know if there are any network filesystems with the ability to mount root filesystem on boot.
David
Well, I've been running woody for a long time now, as well as using the XF4 debs since they were first introduced. Using the nv driver included with xf4, things are dandy. Using Nvidia's provided binary drivers is another story, completely. If you have an Nvidia card, and can live without 3d acceleration, stick with the XF4 provided driver. Unfortunately for us who like to play Quake3 and do various things which require 3d support (aka blender), you are stuck using Nvidia's drivers. Good luck...every time I use a OpenGL program, and exit, I have to completely exit X before I can run another OpenGL program. Oh...stability...maybe if you run a word processor...but when you are doing heavy 3-d work, things just die. Don't blame xfree86, blame Nvidia. No holy wars over open/closed models, I'm just letting people know. David PS - I have an Nvidia TNT...maybe GeForce cards don't have the same issues? I'm running the newest Nvidia binaries as well.