Then you should have quoted the line to which you were responding, not "Isn't that [those two things] the EXACT same thing Apple is doing with their App Store?". THAT is wherein began the confusion. It seemed you were replying to his entire post--i.e., both points. If you would have done that, I wouldn't have replied.
Did you read either of our posts? As I said, when the GP said "Gee Mr Coder, this appears to be an office suite.. we don't like competitors in our store." I figured that was a pretty clear reference to Apple's policy about not duplicating functionality. The GP made two points, then parent said "No" (presumably to both) but only addressed one.
>> "Gee Mr Coder, you appear to have a Linux version.... we don't like these kinds of apps in our store." >> "Gee Mr Coder, this appears to be an office suite.. we don't like competitors in our store." >> Isn't that the EXACT same thing Apple is doing with their App Store?
> No.
You're only half right. Apple does indeed block apps which duplicate the functionality of Apple's included apps: email, browser, etc. (Which is the point I think the GP was making when he made a reference to MS blocking Office.)
Good point, thanks, I should have mentioned that. You are exactly correct: iOS 4 won't install on 1st-gen phones and won't multitask on anything but a 3GS. However, Apple sold almost 2 million iPhone 4s (iPhones 4?) the first 3 days (and they don't go on sale in AT&T retail stores until tomorrow) and I guarantee you that plenty of those will be bought by 3GS owners. AT&T has relaxed their threshold of who can upgrade when and lots of 3GS owners will be upgrading. I'll be one.:-)
And it's not just limited to rabid fanboys. In fact, anyone with any sense at all will upgrade if AT&T will let them. Since iPhones are locked (in the US) to AT&T, activated phones command a premium, even used. (A glance at eBay shows them steadily going for $200-$400, depending on condition, capacity, and accessories.) You can easily sell your old iPhone and pay for your new one, so you get another year of warranty and a lot of new features for free. You'd be stupid not to upgrade. I sold my original iPhone for about what I paid for it, and my $199 8GB 3G went for $305 when I got my 3GS. I don't know why I'm eligible to upgrade again already but I am so I will.
Another urban legend is that there was every a great difference in quality in the first place. Consumer betamax gear (not to be confused with commercial beta decks) was comparable to VHS. Many issues killed Betamax as a consumer format, but a lack of porn wasn't one.
... consider a used iPhone. It already has the proper mic/speaker setup. (And a camera.) Now that the iPhone 4 is out there should be a nice supply of used iPhones out there.
They've only sold a few tens of millions of those things so far, and their new model took five whole hours to sell 600k units to regular customers, sight unseen. They'd better get their act together and start reaching out to the enterprise or that thing's gonna tank and take them with it.
"A great example of this [stagnation] is the notable lack of GPS chips in laptops."
Or maybe it's because Intel did some research and found that 99% of people use their laptops indoors 99% of the time.
"Today's 3G wireless chipsets integrate GPS, Bluetooth, and 802.11n on a single chip."
And they do so at great expense because size and power consumption are an order of magnitude more important in a handheld than on a desktop. And single chips cost more to revise than individual components. But speaking of desktops, have you seen the Mac Mini? Tiny little motherboard with a two-core CPU, wired and wireless networking, bluetooth, SATA, two types of digital video output, FireWire, USB, an SD card reader, audio in, and analog and digital audio out. When the first Mac Mini came out five years ago it lacked the cardreader, had one video out, only had analog audio, and BlueTooth and 802.11 were physically separate add-on cards. Progress has been made.
Maybe it's because the PC market has already gone so far? In the last five years, handhelds have been gaining things--large color screens, powerful web browsers, built in wireless--that desktops have had for years. This stuff was physically impossible to do at small sizes five years ago.
Also, everyone in the world already has a PC, but people are just now buying large numbers of (only recently existing) mobile devices.
TechCrunch headline, June 2015: "Why implant innovation is blowing away handhelds"
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Can't wait to see all the neat new stuff that won't run on my stale phone.
I bought an original base (4 GB) iPhone a couple months after it came out--refurbished, $249. When the 3G came out I sold my original one on eBay for right about what I paid for it*, plus or minus a few bucks (I forget exactly, and I had a case but lost the headphones, etc.) and bought a base (8 GB) 3G. When the 3GS came out I sold my $199 3G for $305 and got I a base (16 GB) 3GS--I just had to wait a couple months for an anniversary to roll around and then the upgrade price dropped from $399 to the regular $199. Now, for some reason, AT&T is telling me I can upgrade to an iPhone 4 for good old $199 so I'm just gonna wait a few weeks--a) for them to become available again and b) because I never buy new stuff right away.
So basically, I paid $249 three years ago and for that, I've gotten an annual free upgrade to a faster phone with more features and double the storage every time (this is the first year that won't happen) and, as a nice bonus, my phone has never been out of warranty. You'd think someone who runs a tech site might be aware of all this.
* vendor lock-in is usually evil but it has treated me very well.:-) Due to Apple's exclusive deal with AT&T, people who want iPhones but are on other networks pay quite a bit for used ones.
(Crap, hit 'submit' instead of 'preview') I used to be on a list and this one guy would always post the worst questions--the kind of stuff where you could google the subject line of his email and get the answer. So I wrote... #!/bin/bash lynx -dump google.com/search?q=$1+$2+$3+$4+$5 | mail -s "Automated response" list@example.com What I really wanted was for the list admin to put a filter on the server that would automatically take his messages and do that to them. Of course I never actually used it.:-) I eventually just filtered him.
Some guy used to always post the worst questions to a list I was on. Like, the kind of stuff where you could google the subject line of his email and get the answer. So I wrote...#!/bin/sh lynx -dump google.com/search?q=$1+$2+$3+$4+$5 | mail -s "Automated response" list@example.comWhat I really wanted was for the list admin to put a filter on the server that would automatically take his messages and do that.
I say that all the time but I think people are starting to figure out that when I do, what I really mean is "I'm sorry, I was staring at your rack while we were being introduced and I didn't hear a thing."
When I read the first line--"Jamie points out this interesting article about how hard it is for programmers to get names right"--I thought that it was going to be about programmers who give their programs crappy names, like "The Gimp."
>> Oh look, another hater who is too stupid to understand why people >> love Apple products and who misrepresents past Apple headlines. . .
> Okay, please tell me exactly what is so much better about Apple > products? I've used various technologies over the years and > Apple's products are good but I can't really see this "massive" > benefit everyone talks about.
As much as I love Apple gear* I think it's really just a matter of taste. What's so great about jazz? What's so great about sushi? As far as I'm concerned, not that much. Just like anything else (cars, religion, text editors, whatever) some people love a thing so much that they really just can't see why everyone else doesn't feel the same way. I'm sure the JWs that come to my door really don't get why everyone doesn't feel the same way they do about God.
And in some cases, there are people who just can't see certain things. I once was talking to a guy about the difference between the sayings "The squeaky wheel gets the grese" and "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down" and he just didn't understand that those two phrases had different connotations. The original iPod, for example, was measurably, provably, demonstrably better than other MP3 players of the time because the scroll wheel (which could be spun infinitely) let you get through a large collections of songs orders of magnitude faster than buttons or a mouse-style scroll wheel but some people just didn't get it and they didn't think Apple was doing anything special. To each his own.
* in general - not all products are home runs. And like != perfect. As much as I like the iPhone, there are plenty of things I'd like to see changed.
And if it seems that they're focusing on new devices at the expense of their traditional lineup: well, sad though it may be, there's a damn good reason for it. 5.4 billion good reasons for it (40% of revenue) in fact.
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Then you should have quoted the line to which you were responding, not "Isn't that [those two things] the EXACT same thing Apple is doing with their App Store?". THAT is wherein began the confusion. It seemed you were replying to his entire post--i.e., both points. If you would have done that, I wouldn't have replied.
Did you read either of our posts? As I said, when the GP said "Gee Mr Coder, this appears to be an office suite.. we don't like competitors in our store." I figured that was a pretty clear reference to Apple's policy about not duplicating functionality. The GP made two points, then parent said "No" (presumably to both) but only addressed one.
>> "Gee Mr Coder, you appear to have a Linux version.... we don't like these kinds of apps in our store."
>> "Gee Mr Coder, this appears to be an office suite.. we don't like competitors in our store."
>> Isn't that the EXACT same thing Apple is doing with their App Store?
> No.
You're only half right. Apple does indeed block apps which duplicate the functionality of Apple's included apps: email, browser, etc. (Which is the point I think the GP was making when he made a reference to MS blocking Office.)
Good point, thanks, I should have mentioned that. You are exactly correct: iOS 4 won't install on 1st-gen phones and won't multitask on anything but a 3GS. However, Apple sold almost 2 million iPhone 4s (iPhones 4?) the first 3 days (and they don't go on sale in AT&T retail stores until tomorrow) and I guarantee you that plenty of those will be bought by 3GS owners. AT&T has relaxed their threshold of who can upgrade when and lots of 3GS owners will be upgrading. I'll be one. :-)
And it's not just limited to rabid fanboys. In fact, anyone with any sense at all will upgrade if AT&T will let them. Since iPhones are locked (in the US) to AT&T, activated phones command a premium, even used. (A glance at eBay shows them steadily going for $200-$400, depending on condition, capacity, and accessories.) You can easily sell your old iPhone and pay for your new one, so you get another year of warranty and a lot of new features for free. You'd be stupid not to upgrade. I sold my original iPhone for about what I paid for it, and my $199 8GB 3G went for $305 when I got my 3GS. I don't know why I'm eligible to upgrade again already but I am so I will.
Another urban legend is that there was every a great difference in quality in the first place. Consumer betamax gear (not to be confused with commercial beta decks) was comparable to VHS. Many issues killed Betamax as a consumer format, but a lack of porn wasn't one.
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... consider a used iPhone. It already has the proper mic/speaker setup. (And a camera.) Now that the iPhone 4 is out there should be a nice supply of used iPhones out there.
... if Firefox crashes will all the plugins keep running?
They've only sold a few tens of millions of those things so far, and their new model took five whole hours to sell 600k units to regular customers, sight unseen. They'd better get their act together and start reaching out to the enterprise or that thing's gonna tank and take them with it.
"A great example of this [stagnation] is the notable lack of GPS chips in laptops."
Or maybe it's because Intel did some research and found that 99% of people use their laptops indoors 99% of the time.
"Today's 3G wireless chipsets integrate GPS, Bluetooth, and 802.11n on a single chip."
And they do so at great expense because size and power consumption are an order of magnitude more important in a handheld than on a desktop. And single chips cost more to revise than individual components. But speaking of desktops, have you seen the Mac Mini? Tiny little motherboard with a two-core CPU, wired and wireless networking, bluetooth, SATA, two types of digital video output, FireWire, USB, an SD card reader, audio in, and analog and digital audio out. When the first Mac Mini came out five years ago it lacked the cardreader, had one video out, only had analog audio, and BlueTooth and 802.11 were physically separate add-on cards. Progress has been made.
Maybe it's because the PC market has already gone so far? In the last five years, handhelds have been gaining things--large color screens, powerful web browsers, built in wireless--that desktops have had for years. This stuff was physically impossible to do at small sizes five years ago.
Also, everyone in the world already has a PC, but people are just now buying large numbers of (only recently existing) mobile devices.
TechCrunch headline, June 2015: "Why implant innovation is blowing away handhelds"
Man, I could have spent four minutes finding a source and gotten this guy's +5. ;-)
Can't wait to see all the neat new stuff that won't run on my stale phone.
I bought an original base (4 GB) iPhone a couple months after it came out--refurbished, $249. When the 3G came out I sold my original one on eBay for right about what I paid for it*, plus or minus a few bucks (I forget exactly, and I had a case but lost the headphones, etc.) and bought a base (8 GB) 3G. When the 3GS came out I sold my $199 3G for $305 and got I a base (16 GB) 3GS--I just had to wait a couple months for an anniversary to roll around and then the upgrade price dropped from $399 to the regular $199. Now, for some reason, AT&T is telling me I can upgrade to an iPhone 4 for good old $199 so I'm just gonna wait a few weeks--a) for them to become available again and b) because I never buy new stuff right away.
So basically, I paid $249 three years ago and for that, I've gotten an annual free upgrade to a faster phone with more features and double the storage every time (this is the first year that won't happen) and, as a nice bonus, my phone has never been out of warranty. You'd think someone who runs a tech site might be aware of all this.
* vendor lock-in is usually evil but it has treated me very well. :-) Due to Apple's exclusive deal with AT&T, people who want iPhones but are on other networks pay quite a bit for used ones.
Compared to lethal injection or the electric chair, I'd choose the firing squad for myself any day of the week.
I think I heard this a couple months ago. No Flash, either.
... it'd be equally cool if they had a really open API and you could just use a script with curl to upload.
lynx -dump parses the HTML. It would be like going to a web page with a browser and then select all, copy, paste. curl will give you HTML source.
Player 1: "Great job rebuilding the levee, guys."
Player 2: "Look out--ALIENS!"
(Crap, hit 'submit' instead of 'preview') :-) I eventually just filtered him.
I used to be on a list and this one guy would always post the worst questions--the kind of stuff where you could google the subject line of his email and get the answer. So I wrote...
#!/bin/bash
lynx -dump google.com/search?q=$1+$2+$3+$4+$5 | mail -s "Automated response" list@example.com
What I really wanted was for the list admin to put a filter on the server that would automatically take his messages and do that to them. Of course I never actually used it.
Some guy used to always post the worst questions to a list I was on. Like, the kind of stuff where you could google the subject line of his email and get the answer. So I wrote...#!/bin/sh
lynx -dump google.com/search?q=$1+$2+$3+$4+$5 | mail -s "Automated response" list@example.comWhat I really wanted was for the list admin to put a filter on the server that would automatically take his messages and do that.
I say that all the time but I think people are starting to figure out that when I do, what I really mean is "I'm sorry, I was staring at your rack while we were being introduced and I didn't hear a thing."
When I read the first line--"Jamie points out this interesting article about how hard it is for programmers to get names right"--I thought that it was going to be about programmers who give their programs crappy names, like "The Gimp."
tl;dr. As long as we're fixing things for people, how's this?
What else matters?
>> Oh look, another hater who is too stupid to understand why people
>> love Apple products and who misrepresents past Apple headlines. . .
> Okay, please tell me exactly what is so much better about Apple
> products? I've used various technologies over the years and
> Apple's products are good but I can't really see this "massive"
> benefit everyone talks about.
As much as I love Apple gear* I think it's really just a matter of taste. What's so great about jazz? What's so great about sushi? As far as I'm concerned, not that much. Just like anything else (cars, religion, text editors, whatever) some people love a thing so much that they really just can't see why everyone else doesn't feel the same way. I'm sure the JWs that come to my door really don't get why everyone doesn't feel the same way they do about God.
And in some cases, there are people who just can't see certain things. I once was talking to a guy about the difference between the sayings "The squeaky wheel gets the grese" and "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down" and he just didn't understand that those two phrases had different connotations. The original iPod, for example, was measurably, provably, demonstrably better than other MP3 players of the time because the scroll wheel (which could be spun infinitely) let you get through a large collections of songs orders of magnitude faster than buttons or a mouse-style scroll wheel but some people just didn't get it and they didn't think Apple was doing anything special. To each his own.
* in general - not all products are home runs. And like != perfect. As much as I like the iPhone, there are plenty of things I'd like to see changed.
Hate to sound like an Apple apologist, but there's not a whole lot to be gained from going from Core to i, and some good reasons not to.
And if it seems that they're focusing on new devices at the expense of their traditional lineup: well, sad though it may be, there's a damn good reason for it. 5.4 billion good reasons for it (40% of revenue) in fact.