I have to wonder just how badly you have to sell out to someone (either literally or psychologically) to come up with that cosmic leap in logic (or if you're not sober, who your dealer is). The comic didn't mention anything about Linux not being ready for the desktop, it was social commentary about a problem we'd all like to fix but are utterly cripped by a retarded vendor on. It's called subtle humor, read upthread; marcan explains the joke for the logic impaired.
Yes. Yes you can. And you should. It's not like the information to fix the problem isn't available to them, and it's not like it's desktop-environment specific under X (hell, to them all environments are web browsers and dealing with the DE is the browser's problem, not flash's). It's not like the source to that product is available to us.
There's two ways they can solve this: Fix it or let us fix it.
They're choosing: Leave it broken and blame the next guy down the line.
...then you're a retard. You're right up there with the guy who blames the electrician for the low flow toilet that takes two flushes to clear the bowl on a high-flow sewer pipe...
Because people like me will never use open soruce if it doesn't work and play well with the realities of earning a living. If you want an entirely isolated hippie utopia commune, hey, feel free, but you'll have no effect on the world of grown-ups. If you want open source to become normal and accepted in datacenters and desktops world-wide, then this Microsoft move is a good thing. A great thing, even.
I can't help but to notice you're ignoring your own hypocracy here. Not sure if you noticed, but Microsoft didn't exactly have any choice other than to play nice with the hippie commune, or it wouldn't be GPL'd at and submitted for consideration in the first place. It's not 1990 anymore, you might consider picking an employer that doesn't ignore the fact that things are different in the third millennium. Even Microsoft's figuring this one out, and they're not exactly known for being flexible or fast to react.
It's not quite so bad if you use a caching web proxy, particularly if most of what you need is already cached. Granted, that doesn't help with big comment threads, but then again, bitching in the comments kind of contributes to the problem, in a way...
I attempted to try doing some edits, but it's so broken as to be next to impossible to fix. It seems that once a street has a directionality applied to it, you can't remove it.
All ways have directionality, whether or not they're "one way." You need to add the oneway=yes tag to indicate that the way only travels the direction it points (or oneway=-1 if it travels the opposite direction and it's not practical to reverse the way). You might want to paruse the wiki, especially the beginner's guide.
Also, so far it seems next to impossible to take two roads that are connected and say, "these roads are NOT actually connected" and split them.
Try using your editor's "split way" command.
Let's not forget the fact that frequently the editor decides that for whatever reason, it can't undo something and you have to scrap your entire editing session...
Try using an editor that isn't the flash based Potlatch on the edit tab, like JOSM.
What the fuck has happened to the US? What happened to free speech?
Californians don't bother to learn who their politicians are and vote based on name recognition alone, hence we got Ronald Reagan as a president. This same idiot actor is the one who gave birth to Reaganomics and neoconservatism, both are ideas whose time came and went sometime before society was invented.
No, but there's a hell of a lot more data in OSM than TeleAtlas or Navteq have.
Also, OSM has done NOTHING with that dataset. They did a straight import that appears to have tried to cleanup/simplify maps and in the process broke them.
For example:
Lake Street in Owego, NY, USA is a one-way street. TeleAtlas and NavTeq know this, OSM does not (as the source data set does not contain turn restrictions data)
OSM didn't break the map, the feds (Census) really do have that down as a two-way street, but nobody in your area (you) has fixed it in OSM yet. So if it's wrong, it's your fault for not fixing it.
The OSM importer seems to have taken NY State Route 17 and turned it into single lane of a divided highway. NY State Route 434 (which parallels 17) is shown as the "paired" lane to 17. This is WRONG. NYS 17 has two one-way subroads (divided highway), and 434 is a standard two-way road. OSM shows these three strips of pavement as two with completely bogus directionality info. The autoimporter clearly guessed at what the direction restrictions here should have been, and guessed blatantly wrong.
Or it's just wrong in the TIGER data itself. TIGER was crap in 2000, I'm actually rather annoyed that it was used at all since in places like you describe, it's worse than nothing. Hopefully, all of the unreviewed TIGER data gets peeled off the map and replaced with the 2010 TIGER data next year. But there's nothing stopping you from reviewing your area now and getting it fixed up; I've done quite a bit of that along the Amtrak Cascades corridor.
All very fair points.
My main issue is that proprietary solution providers shouldn't be taken to task by people who want to muck around. Innovation is to be encouraged, of course, but it shouldn't be about cracking open every perfectly functioning closed system. To be fair, the top poster did state that *he* wanted a GPS to be hackable and was not insisting that all GPS's should be.
That'll teach me for blowing off on a lazy Sunday afternoon...
Why shouldn't they be taken to task, when the only reason it's a closed system to begin with is vendor lock-in purposes? This isn't just about having a nice toy to play with, it's also about not locking the casual user into one single, overpriced and inaccurate, source of map data.
assuming that the numeric keypad will always be over cursor control keys needs to die: compact keyboard layouts like the Happy Hacker and every laptop ever made puts the numeric keypad over the alphanumeric keyboard, and Ghod help you if you have NumLock on by default!
My T400 has a "Super" and a "Compose Character" key, but for some reason, they're mislabelled with a wavy thing and something that looks like a ladder. I dunno what's wrong with yours.
TomTom already let you fix some errors. And of course the way you find out about errors is at the worst time and if routing in the worst way possible, such as if the unit tries to send you the wrong way up a round, a turn that doesn't exist, a road that is different etc.
TomTom does not let you pick your own map, so any errors you do report to them simply become part of TeleAtlas's proprietary data. I don't know about you, but if I'm going to work for free on something, I want to get the result of my labor on my terms.
I certainly believe that crowdsourced maps will be better just as Wikipedia is better than the paper encyclopedias. However it is going to take a while.
I think we're already there with OSM in the US, any additional work is just icing on the cake at this point.
Not sure telenav is a good source, at least in Oregon, it's missing most roundabouts and a substantial number of streets, and trap streets are a real hazard to navigation in Salem. I'll be interested to see if Garmin's software will read garmin gmapsupp.img files; if so, then I can still use a decent map with it.
Never mind people vote in the privacy of their own homes. It's not like our ballots aren't secret just because voting isn't a tremendous pain in the ass...
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I have to wonder just how badly you have to sell out to someone (either literally or psychologically) to come up with that cosmic leap in logic (or if you're not sober, who your dealer is). The comic didn't mention anything about Linux not being ready for the desktop, it was social commentary about a problem we'd all like to fix but are utterly cripped by a retarded vendor on. It's called subtle humor, read upthread; marcan explains the joke for the logic impaired.
Yes. Yes you can. And you should. It's not like the information to fix the problem isn't available to them, and it's not like it's desktop-environment specific under X (hell, to them all environments are web browsers and dealing with the DE is the browser's problem, not flash's). It's not like the source to that product is available to us.
There's two ways they can solve this: Fix it or let us fix it.
They're choosing: Leave it broken and blame the next guy down the line.
You chose: To drink the Flavoraid.
...then you're a retard. You're right up there with the guy who blames the electrician for the low flow toilet that takes two flushes to clear the bowl on a high-flow sewer pipe...
Seriously, if you want to throw down like this, what's to stop your argument from going after volunteer groups like OpenStreetMap?
I hate to break it to you, but if you're a sysadmin and not a furry, something is wrong with you.
Microsoft "stole" nothing. Every thing they have was given to them voluntarily for something else in exchange.
How quickly we forget that BASIC was in the public domain for years prior to Microsoft claiming it as their own product.
They are after they spent all their money on licensing fees!
Because people like me will never use open soruce if it doesn't work and play well with the realities of earning a living. If you want an entirely isolated hippie utopia commune, hey, feel free, but you'll have no effect on the world of grown-ups. If you want open source to become normal and accepted in datacenters and desktops world-wide, then this Microsoft move is a good thing. A great thing, even.
I can't help but to notice you're ignoring your own hypocracy here. Not sure if you noticed, but Microsoft didn't exactly have any choice other than to play nice with the hippie commune, or it wouldn't be GPL'd at and submitted for consideration in the first place. It's not 1990 anymore, you might consider picking an employer that doesn't ignore the fact that things are different in the third millennium. Even Microsoft's figuring this one out, and they're not exactly known for being flexible or fast to react.
It's not quite so bad if you use a caching web proxy, particularly if most of what you need is already cached. Granted, that doesn't help with big comment threads, but then again, bitching in the comments kind of contributes to the problem, in a way...
Washington state just isn't well, important enough politically for government work...
Therein lies the best argument for Cascadian secession ever.
"Hey, it looks like you are trying to create an army of flying penises! Would you like some help?"
I guess if all you want to do in SL is be unoriginal, unfunny, and b&, then yeah, sure, your suggestion would be useful.
I attempted to try doing some edits, but it's so broken as to be next to impossible to fix. It seems that once a street has a directionality applied to it, you can't remove it.
All ways have directionality, whether or not they're "one way." You need to add the oneway=yes tag to indicate that the way only travels the direction it points (or oneway=-1 if it travels the opposite direction and it's not practical to reverse the way). You might want to paruse the wiki, especially the beginner's guide.
Also, so far it seems next to impossible to take two roads that are connected and say, "these roads are NOT actually connected" and split them.
Try using your editor's "split way" command.
Let's not forget the fact that frequently the editor decides that for whatever reason, it can't undo something and you have to scrap your entire editing session...
Try using an editor that isn't the flash based Potlatch on the edit tab, like JOSM.
What the fuck has happened to the US? What happened to free speech?
Californians don't bother to learn who their politicians are and vote based on name recognition alone, hence we got Ronald Reagan as a president. This same idiot actor is the one who gave birth to Reaganomics and neoconservatism, both are ideas whose time came and went sometime before society was invented.
So did you do something about it or did you further compound the problem by ignoring it and complaining on Slashdot instead?
I looked at that, but I can't help but wonder if there isn't a quickstart guide that makes it easy... I'm not a WinCE programmer by any means!
I'm not sure OSM botched the TIGER import so much as the TIGER data was botched to begin with.
How is that doing more with the data?
POIs are not in the TIGER dataset.
No, but there's a hell of a lot more data in OSM than TeleAtlas or Navteq have.
Also, OSM has done NOTHING with that dataset. They did a straight import that appears to have tried to cleanup/simplify maps and in the process broke them.
For example: Lake Street in Owego, NY, USA is a one-way street. TeleAtlas and NavTeq know this, OSM does not (as the source data set does not contain turn restrictions data)
OSM didn't break the map, the feds (Census) really do have that down as a two-way street, but nobody in your area (you) has fixed it in OSM yet. So if it's wrong, it's your fault for not fixing it.
The OSM importer seems to have taken NY State Route 17 and turned it into single lane of a divided highway. NY State Route 434 (which parallels 17) is shown as the "paired" lane to 17. This is WRONG. NYS 17 has two one-way subroads (divided highway), and 434 is a standard two-way road. OSM shows these three strips of pavement as two with completely bogus directionality info. The autoimporter clearly guessed at what the direction restrictions here should have been, and guessed blatantly wrong.
Or it's just wrong in the TIGER data itself. TIGER was crap in 2000, I'm actually rather annoyed that it was used at all since in places like you describe, it's worse than nothing. Hopefully, all of the unreviewed TIGER data gets peeled off the map and replaced with the 2010 TIGER data next year. But there's nothing stopping you from reviewing your area now and getting it fixed up; I've done quite a bit of that along the Amtrak Cascades corridor.
All very fair points. My main issue is that proprietary solution providers shouldn't be taken to task by people who want to muck around. Innovation is to be encouraged, of course, but it shouldn't be about cracking open every perfectly functioning closed system. To be fair, the top poster did state that *he* wanted a GPS to be hackable and was not insisting that all GPS's should be. That'll teach me for blowing off on a lazy Sunday afternoon...
Why shouldn't they be taken to task, when the only reason it's a closed system to begin with is vendor lock-in purposes? This isn't just about having a nice toy to play with, it's also about not locking the casual user into one single, overpriced and inaccurate, source of map data.
assuming that the numeric keypad will always be over cursor control keys needs to die: compact keyboard layouts like the Happy Hacker and every laptop ever made puts the numeric keypad over the alphanumeric keyboard, and Ghod help you if you have NumLock on by default!
My T400 has a "Super" and a "Compose Character" key, but for some reason, they're mislabelled with a wavy thing and something that looks like a ladder. I dunno what's wrong with yours.
You're assuming incorrectly that it's not a felony to do what you're saying in the first place.
OpenStreetMap currently has a Summer of Code project to put OSM on the Android.
TomTom already let you fix some errors. And of course the way you find out about errors is at the worst time and if routing in the worst way possible, such as if the unit tries to send you the wrong way up a round, a turn that doesn't exist, a road that is different etc.
TomTom does not let you pick your own map, so any errors you do report to them simply become part of TeleAtlas's proprietary data. I don't know about you, but if I'm going to work for free on something, I want to get the result of my labor on my terms.
I certainly believe that crowdsourced maps will be better just as Wikipedia is better than the paper encyclopedias. However it is going to take a while.
I think we're already there with OSM in the US, any additional work is just icing on the cake at this point.
Not sure telenav is a good source, at least in Oregon, it's missing most roundabouts and a substantial number of streets, and trap streets are a real hazard to navigation in Salem. I'll be interested to see if Garmin's software will read garmin gmapsupp.img files; if so, then I can still use a decent map with it.
Never mind people vote in the privacy of their own homes. It's not like our ballots aren't secret just because voting isn't a tremendous pain in the ass...