Re:What about the anti-genetic backlash?
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I know several people concerned about GM food and noone willing to resort to even the thought of violent behavior or intimidation. Your brush is rather broad in painting an entire cross-section of the populace as violent zealots. You've got your zealots in nearly every ideology, granted. But geez, how dangerous do you think the majority of the organic-buying public is?
Oh, bullshit.
This is a corporate-sponsored effort plain and simple. "Democrats" didn't come up with this. An ex-democrat congresswoman is now a paid lobbyist of a corporate machine. Like that never happens with republicans. Republicans have traditionally been friendlier to corporations than democrats anyway.
Believe it or not, this is actually an old Rush Limbaugh myth.
"There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of genocide?" (Told You So, p. 68)
According to Carl Shaw of the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs, estimates of the pre-Columbus population of what later became the United States range from 5 million to 15 million. Native populations in the late 19th century fell to 250,000, due in part to genocidal policies. Today the U.S.'s Native American population is about 2 million.
Both of these are pulled from FAIR's 1994 article, "The Way Things Aren't: Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error," which can be found here
Thread's getting old, but I figured I'd reply to you.
Saying that LSD "just" causes sudden changes in mood/emotion and fucked up perception really doesn't give justice to the fact that it causes sudden changes in mood/emotion and fucked up perception...:)
Even if the changes it induces have no real intrinsic value (debatable), it does tend to put you outside of yourself, or outside of your normal mode of perception. That can be a very useful thing for someone who's thought-structures have somewhat calcified. For the very same reason, it can be a very dangerous drug when used by someone with psychotic tendencies. When those walls come tumbling down, some people simply can't handle being thrown that particular curveball.
Now, as to the drug causing changes in mood/emotion, I wouldn't really go that far. It really changes your thinking and perception at some fundamental level and that's what causes whatever changes in mood/emotion a person experiences, in my opinion. It really has everything to do (as Tim Leary was fond of saying) with set and setting. That is, the mind set you have going into it (attitude, expectations, etc) and the setting (rave, talking with the cops, relaxing on your couch at home, with friends, with strangers, etc.)
By the way, it's generally a much better experience if you're in a relaxed environment (e.g. not interacting with people who you have to keep the fact you're tripping secret from) and, at least until you're "experienced", having at least one sober trip-sitter to help give you a sounding board back to "reality". You know, to help keep in check those rising feelings of paranoia or what have you.
Not that I've ever taken any such illegal substances, this is all hearsay...:)
Problem with this is that a good number of drug-testing facilities measure the temperature of the urine to make sure it's "fresh".
Also, the water-trick really only works if you've been hydrating yourself for several hours before the fact so that the urine you pass to them is actually dilute. You probably need 3-4 good pisses in the 2-3 hours prior to the test.
Of course, those tests cost 4-5 times as much money as the garden variety and the vast majority of employers only pay for the cheapie kind.
The more expensive tests can tell when urine has been watered down and they'll either flunk you or make you retest. The cheap ones don't test for that and drinking a lot of water will pass all but the most hardcore of pot smokers.
This isn't a law about upholding your warranty, there are already laws about that. (Try getting a lawyer on the phone with the Customer relations department at most any large computer corporation and see how fast they scuttle)
This law is about providing full warranty for 2 years regardless of the warranty the computer normally comes with.
Was the medium of ingestion something other than blotter paper? I believe that the dosage level for PCP required for oral activation is higher than the combined weight of 10-15 standard "hits" of acid on blotter paper. In other words, if the blotter paper were entirely composed of PCP and you ingested it orally, it should not have produced a noticeable effect.
But I could be wrong, it's happened once or twice before...:)
I personally think messing with hallucinogens is wrong, people have little enough grasp on reality as it is.
I'm with you on everything except this. My opinion (and everyone's got one, right?) is that hallucinogens are most definitely NOT for everyone. But I also believe that they can be very useful for self-discovery.
Some very interesting work has been done with LSD during the early 60's that show the potential for long-term positive psychological effects when used in a well-controlled therapuetic environment. One that sticks in my mind was group therapy sessions with prison inmates on LSD headed by a psychotherapist. The long-term prison recidivism rate for the LSD group vs. a control group was something like 25%. A number of psychologists at the time likened it to 2 years of therapy in a day.
That having been said, I would also like to state that hallucinogens are the most powerful group of drugs known to man. Not many are physically harmful in any way (especially LSD), but they do have the potential to create great psychological schisms, especially in those with predispositions and especially when taken in an uncontrolled environment (raves, parties, basement of your parent's house). The outcome of a hallucinogen "trip" is all about your mental set and your physical locale. It is most certainly not a set of drugs to be taken lightly, at all.
Actually, the studies I have read on heroin addiction indicate that the average person would have to shoot up twice a day for about two weeks before starting to undergo physical withdrawal symptoms upon quitting cold turkey. So it takes at least that much to begin a physical addiction. And I'd personally consider someone who has more than 3 drinks a day (over a significant period of time) to be somewhat addicted to alcohol.
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I know several people concerned about GM food and noone willing to resort to even the thought of violent behavior or intimidation. Your brush is rather broad in painting an entire cross-section of the populace as violent zealots. You've got your zealots in nearly every ideology, granted. But geez, how dangerous do you think the majority of the organic-buying public is?
Oh, bullshit.
This is a corporate-sponsored effort plain and simple. "Democrats" didn't come up with this. An ex-democrat congresswoman is now a paid lobbyist of a corporate machine. Like that never happens with republicans. Republicans have traditionally been friendlier to corporations than democrats anyway.
You do know that over half of the budgets for U.S. pharmaceutical companies goes to advertising and not R&D.
Both of these are pulled from FAIR's 1994 article, "The Way Things Aren't: Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error," which can be found here
If a credit reporting agency refuses to remove a fradulent report, they can be sued.
A good site to check for this issue is www.clarkhoward.com , especially here.
Thread's getting old, but I figured I'd reply to you.
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Saying that LSD "just" causes sudden changes in mood/emotion and fucked up perception really doesn't give justice to the fact that it causes sudden changes in mood/emotion and fucked up perception
Even if the changes it induces have no real intrinsic value (debatable), it does tend to put you outside of yourself, or outside of your normal mode of perception. That can be a very useful thing for someone who's thought-structures have somewhat calcified. For the very same reason, it can be a very dangerous drug when used by someone with psychotic tendencies. When those walls come tumbling down, some people simply can't handle being thrown that particular curveball.
Now, as to the drug causing changes in mood/emotion, I wouldn't really go that far. It really changes your thinking and perception at some fundamental level and that's what causes whatever changes in mood/emotion a person experiences, in my opinion. It really has everything to do (as Tim Leary was fond of saying) with set and setting. That is, the mind set you have going into it (attitude, expectations, etc) and the setting (rave, talking with the cops, relaxing on your couch at home, with friends, with strangers, etc.)
By the way, it's generally a much better experience if you're in a relaxed environment (e.g. not interacting with people who you have to keep the fact you're tripping secret from) and, at least until you're "experienced", having at least one sober trip-sitter to help give you a sounding board back to "reality". You know, to help keep in check those rising feelings of paranoia or what have you.
Not that I've ever taken any such illegal substances, this is all hearsay
Unfortunately, you're wrong. Subliminable is not a word and subliminal is.
Now, sublimable is a word, but that is an adjective meaning to be able to pass directly from the solid to the vapor state.
Problem with this is that a good number of drug-testing facilities measure the temperature of the urine to make sure it's "fresh".
Also, the water-trick really only works if you've been hydrating yourself for several hours before the fact so that the urine you pass to them is actually dilute. You probably need 3-4 good pisses in the 2-3 hours prior to the test.
Of course, those tests cost 4-5 times as much money as the garden variety and the vast majority of employers only pay for the cheapie kind.
The more expensive tests can tell when urine has been watered down and they'll either flunk you or make you retest. The cheap ones don't test for that and drinking a lot of water will pass all but the most hardcore of pot smokers.
I am ... duh!
This isn't a law about upholding your warranty, there are already laws about that. (Try getting a lawyer on the phone with the Customer relations department at most any large computer corporation and see how fast they scuttle)
This law is about providing full warranty for 2 years regardless of the warranty the computer normally comes with.
That's interesting.
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Was the medium of ingestion something other than blotter paper? I believe that the dosage level for PCP required for oral activation is higher than the combined weight of 10-15 standard "hits" of acid on blotter paper. In other words, if the blotter paper were entirely composed of PCP and you ingested it orally, it should not have produced a noticeable effect.
But I could be wrong, it's happened once or twice before
Some very interesting work has been done with LSD during the early 60's that show the potential for long-term positive psychological effects when used in a well-controlled therapuetic environment. One that sticks in my mind was group therapy sessions with prison inmates on LSD headed by a psychotherapist. The long-term prison recidivism rate for the LSD group vs. a control group was something like 25%. A number of psychologists at the time likened it to 2 years of therapy in a day.
That having been said, I would also like to state that hallucinogens are the most powerful group of drugs known to man. Not many are physically harmful in any way (especially LSD), but they do have the potential to create great psychological schisms, especially in those with predispositions and especially when taken in an uncontrolled environment (raves, parties, basement of your parent's house). The outcome of a hallucinogen "trip" is all about your mental set and your physical locale. It is most certainly not a set of drugs to be taken lightly, at all.
Actually, the studies I have read on heroin addiction indicate that the average person would have to shoot up twice a day for about two weeks before starting to undergo physical withdrawal symptoms upon quitting cold turkey. So it takes at least that much to begin a physical addiction. And I'd personally consider someone who has more than 3 drinks a day (over a significant period of time) to be somewhat addicted to alcohol.