I agree, except that I also felt that question 9's answer was a total evasion as well. The asker specfically mentioned Kerebos and Java, in both of which the changes M$ implemented interfered with the interoperablility between the existing standard and the "extended" standard.
I don't know how these things work in the firm he is currently employed by, but my company specifically has a section in their codes of conduct that deal with this sort of situation. First of all, I am required to report outside projects to my employer, if they might be for a compeditor, or if my software might be in competition with a product that they are working on. This protects both them and I. Deliberately keeping a project like this from his employer puts him at risk for future lawsuits. The only smart thing to do would be to disclose to his employer the project he has been working on, and respectfully ask to be excused from the project for the client.
The first two years at most programs may seem like they are training code monkeys, but once you start taking upper division course work, you realize how much about the theory of computation they have taught you.
I just graduated with a bachelors degree in CS. I considered CE, but didn't go that route simply because of time. I was a transfer student, and to become a CE, I would have had to go back and take the Freshman circuit courses and stuff.
In my program, I learned a little about hardware, quite a bit about networking, a lot about finite atomata and algorithms, and some about computer languages in general. Along the way, I wrote a compiler, learned about GUI design, studied Operating System design, and databases.
As for linked lists, they are one kick A** datatype. You can create a ton of other datatypes from them!
I attended school at Utah State University. I was born in a small town called Delta, in Utah. My parents would have loved it if I had moved to Salt Lake City after I graduated, as I have their only grand-child.
However, I didn't stay in Utah for 2 reasons.
Very few Utah based tech companies activly recruited at my school (Iomega being one that didn't).
Tech salaries in Salt Lake are generally 10k to 15k less than elsewhere. People I graduated with in December 2000 that stayed in SLC were only offered 45k. Considerably less than what I was offered to go to Idaho, or Nevada.
As for the cost of living being lower there, housing prices are very close to where I actually did end up (Boise, ID) and I got way more money to come up here than I would have in SLC. Don't let Bruce Albertson tell you that it is Utah's liquor laws that keep people away. If they paid Software Engineers what they are worth, people would stay!!
Fine, trademark, fry me for the use of the wrong word. AFAIK, use of all or part of a trademarked name INSIDE of another name doesn't violate current trademark policy. SSH doensn't have a legal leg to stand on.
>5) He wrote a reasonable and non-lawyer request to a group asking not for them to cease and desist design and implementation of their program, but for a name change.
I would just like to point out:
1) This was a message to a mailing list, it didn't make sense to send a "lawyer" request.
2) He had sent "lawyer" requests to the OpenSSH sponsers "earlier". Indicating that at some time in the recent past, legal notices of Trademark infringement had been distributed. He tried the "legal" avenue, and when that failed to scare anyone, he tried the "fireside chat" approach.
I agree, that an open project can change its name without major damage to their user base. But this guys approach stinks, and shows a lack of vision on his part. This is an issue that SHOULD have been resolved early in the history of OpenSSH. And if he was as actively involved in the OpenSSH project as you claim, it would have been an easy matter for him to make such a suggestion at that time.
Further, if his users have a hard time differentiating OpenSSH from SSH, then I restate my claim that they are IDIOTS.
>Why shouldn't the guy protect his own, copyrighted, name? Seems like a perfectly reasonable request to me.
Except, that the copyright doesn't protect the use of the name IN another name. Let me give you an example. In my home state, there were a couple of water parks, Magic Waters, and Rageing Waters. Both had Trademarked names. Rageing Waters came first, but had no right to tell Magic Waters to change their name because the use of Waters might make it difficult for people to differentiate them. OpenSSH is A DIFFERENT NAME entirely than SSH IMHO. If SSH's clientelle can't tell the difference, then they are IDIOTS.
The part of this letter that really pissed me off was this:
The confusion is made even worse by the fact that OpenSSH is also a
derivative of my original SSH Secure Shell product, and it still looks
very much like my product (without my approval for any of it, by the
way).
Correct me if I am wrong, but telnet used that Look and Feel LONG before SSH ever came into the picture. So getting this jokers "approval" was not an issue. Further, this was completely off the topic of the letter. It should never have been brought up. If his beef was to get the OpenSSH guys to change their L&F, then he should have SAID that.
I realize this guy is only trying to protect his own interests. But, there are hundreds of products out there that the names only differ by one word. Example: Windows, and the Open Windows projects. I don't see M$ flipping out over that one. Another example is the ACS and Open ACS tools. The problem here is that SSH is not a significantly BETTER product than OpenSSH. Instead of throwing a fit over the name, perhaps SSH should make an attempt to DIFFERENTIATE their product significantly from OpenSSH. Requesting that OpenSSH change their name seems like a rediculous request to me. It says what it is, an OPEN implementation of the SSH standard.
It is time for companies to stop stomping on the little guys and INNOVATE instead. Instead of jumping on the litigous bandwagon, make your product BETTER than the competition. When I decide to buy or use a software solution, who has the better lawyers shouldn't even be a factor in my decision. But it is fast becomming one.
>In effect, he's going with "option 3" here, and that's not an outrageous outcome.
Except that from the sound of it, he is dismissing these patches without indicating why he is dismissing them. Further, it sounds like ALL patches for PPC are being dismissed, without regard to size.
On what your career goals are. If you are more interested in network and support, go CIS. At USU (the school I just recently graduated from) the CIS majors only take one real programming class, and study none of the computing theory that the CS majors deal with. The rest of the classes are more dealing with how to use specific software packages. They even teach you how to use M$ Visual Basic (but not how to really program in basic).
Yes, CS has a lot of math, but that is the nature of the beast. I myself am glad that I stuck with CS and finished as a CS major. There is nothing wrong with CIS, but I feel better prepared for the computing industry with a CS degree.
I think this would work out great for those who always want the latest and greatest Word Processor out there. However, the reality is that Joe User doesn't want the latest and greates. He wants the old and familiar. IMHO, A person should only have to pay for software EACH TIME they upgrade, not yearly for the same piece of software. That is like the phone company charging you an installation fee every year you use thier services, because, hey, you want your telephone to keep working...
"First of all, it attributes to MS a level of stupidity they simply lack."
You underestimate them. Everytime I think MS has hit an all time low, they supprise me and act even more stupid.
As for the office 11 thing, I believe MS has actually come out in press releases saying things to the effect that only offering software by subscription is the eventual goal.
I was elated when I read this story. However, this is not a major victory for the anit-rambus camp.
The judge simply lambasted Rambus form judge shopping. It is entirely possible that after hearing the case, he could make a ruling in Rambus' favor. All this does is make it so that Rambus will be more careful with their suits, which makes the above scenario more likely.
I would like to know what in this guys post got him modded as a troll? I read nothing here that is trollish, he made a good, somewhat insightfull comment. At least as insightfull (if not more) than half the comments on this story.
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I agree, except that I also felt that question 9's answer was a total evasion as well. The asker specfically mentioned Kerebos and Java, in both of which the changes M$ implemented interfered with the interoperablility between the existing standard and the "extended" standard.
That we do away with all patent and copyright attorneys. The resulting anarchy couldn't be any worse than this!
I don't know how these things work in the firm he is currently employed by, but my company specifically has a section in their codes of conduct that deal with this sort of situation. First of all, I am required to report outside projects to my employer, if they might be for a compeditor, or if my software might be in competition with a product that they are working on. This protects both them and I. Deliberately keeping a project like this from his employer puts him at risk for future lawsuits. The only smart thing to do would be to disclose to his employer the project he has been working on, and respectfully ask to be excused from the project for the client.
The first two years at most programs may seem like they are training code monkeys, but once you start taking upper division course work, you realize how much about the theory of computation they have taught you.
I just graduated with a bachelors degree in CS. I considered CE, but didn't go that route simply because of time. I was a transfer student, and to become a CE, I would have had to go back and take the Freshman circuit courses and stuff.
In my program, I learned a little about hardware, quite a bit about networking, a lot about finite atomata and algorithms, and some about computer languages in general. Along the way, I wrote a compiler, learned about GUI design, studied Operating System design, and databases.
As for linked lists, they are one kick A** datatype. You can create a ton of other datatypes from them!
However, I didn't stay in Utah for 2 reasons.
- Very few Utah based tech companies activly recruited at my school (Iomega being one that didn't).
- Tech salaries in Salt Lake are generally 10k to 15k less than elsewhere. People I graduated with in December 2000 that stayed in SLC were only offered 45k. Considerably less than what I was offered to go to Idaho, or Nevada.
As for the cost of living being lower there, housing prices are very close to where I actually did end up (Boise, ID) and I got way more money to come up here than I would have in SLC. Don't let Bruce Albertson tell you that it is Utah's liquor laws that keep people away. If they paid Software Engineers what they are worth, people would stay!!This should be modded WAY up!
Fine, trademark, fry me for the use of the wrong word. AFAIK, use of all or part of a trademarked name INSIDE of another name doesn't violate current trademark policy. SSH doensn't have a legal leg to stand on.
I would just like to point out:
1) This was a message to a mailing list, it didn't make sense to send a "lawyer" request.
2) He had sent "lawyer" requests to the OpenSSH sponsers "earlier". Indicating that at some time in the recent past, legal notices of Trademark infringement had been distributed. He tried the "legal" avenue, and when that failed to scare anyone, he tried the "fireside chat" approach.
I agree, that an open project can change its name without major damage to their user base. But this guys approach stinks, and shows a lack of vision on his part. This is an issue that SHOULD have been resolved early in the history of OpenSSH. And if he was as actively involved in the OpenSSH project as you claim, it would have been an easy matter for him to make such a suggestion at that time.
Further, if his users have a hard time differentiating OpenSSH from SSH, then I restate my claim that they are IDIOTS.
Except, that the copyright doesn't protect the use of the name IN another name. Let me give you an example. In my home state, there were a couple of water parks, Magic Waters, and Rageing Waters. Both had Trademarked names. Rageing Waters came first, but had no right to tell Magic Waters to change their name because the use of Waters might make it difficult for people to differentiate them. OpenSSH is A DIFFERENT NAME entirely than SSH IMHO. If SSH's clientelle can't tell the difference, then they are IDIOTS.
The part of this letter that really pissed me off was this:
The confusion is made even worse by the fact that OpenSSH is also a derivative of my original SSH Secure Shell product, and it still looks very much like my product (without my approval for any of it, by the way).
Correct me if I am wrong, but telnet used that Look and Feel LONG before SSH ever came into the picture. So getting this jokers "approval" was not an issue. Further, this was completely off the topic of the letter. It should never have been brought up. If his beef was to get the OpenSSH guys to change their L&F, then he should have SAID that.
I realize this guy is only trying to protect his own interests. But, there are hundreds of products out there that the names only differ by one word. Example: Windows, and the Open Windows projects. I don't see M$ flipping out over that one. Another example is the ACS and Open ACS tools. The problem here is that SSH is not a significantly BETTER product than OpenSSH. Instead of throwing a fit over the name, perhaps SSH should make an attempt to DIFFERENTIATE their product significantly from OpenSSH. Requesting that OpenSSH change their name seems like a rediculous request to me. It says what it is, an OPEN implementation of the SSH standard.
It is time for companies to stop stomping on the little guys and INNOVATE instead. Instead of jumping on the litigous bandwagon, make your product BETTER than the competition. When I decide to buy or use a software solution, who has the better lawyers shouldn't even be a factor in my decision. But it is fast becomming one.
Except that from the sound of it, he is dismissing these patches without indicating why he is dismissing them. Further, it sounds like ALL patches for PPC are being dismissed, without regard to size.
Yes, CS has a lot of math, but that is the nature of the beast. I myself am glad that I stuck with CS and finished as a CS major. There is nothing wrong with CIS, but I feel better prepared for the computing industry with a CS degree.
This should have happened a long time ago!!
p.s. That is an interesting home page link...
AAARRRGGG, they're everywhere cap'n, and I canna break them
That was before their partnership with Rambus, Intel was made mediocre by association!!
I think this would work out great for those who always want the latest and greatest Word Processor out there. However, the reality is that Joe User doesn't want the latest and greates. He wants the old and familiar. IMHO, A person should only have to pay for software EACH TIME they upgrade, not yearly for the same piece of software. That is like the phone company charging you an installation fee every year you use thier services, because, hey, you want your telephone to keep working...
You underestimate them. Everytime I think MS has hit an all time low, they supprise me and act even more stupid.
As for the office 11 thing, I believe MS has actually come out in press releases saying things to the effect that only offering software by subscription is the eventual goal.
We've created a monster....
HP has a product that might be a better solution. It is called Open Mail. It is not opensource, but I am willing to bet that it is more reliable.
The judge simply lambasted Rambus form judge shopping. It is entirely possible that after hearing the case, he could make a ruling in Rambus' favor. All this does is make it so that Rambus will be more careful with their suits, which makes the above scenario more likely.
Perhaps you should read before you mod...
>I haven't heard of any major problems with it.
That is because it is Apple, and any kind of kernel is an improvement!!!
I think it is about time we start registering WIPO sucks domains!!!!
That they tried searching for Liv Tyler Nude. Where can I get that job???
If you dig a little, you can get the email addresses of their editors. I sent a message to the editor in charge of mathematics...