Apparently The Dalles is where the Oregon Trail ends and the 100 mile Columbia River rafting to the Willamette Valley began.
BTW, did anyone else here ever play The Oregon Trail? I practically grew up with it. Version 1 on the Apple II only required 48 KB of RAM but it was crap. Version 2 was way better but I thnk it required 96 or 128 KB and used a double sided disk. The first Mac version was awesome, it even supported LAN play via AppleTalk. I recently got to play a modern version at my Mom's school... all sorts of funky pre-rendered 3D, but it was more restrictive and less fun than the original versions.
And let's be blunt here. A single Minuteman launched at a major world city could kill millions of people.
A single missile strike would lead to far more than the devistation of one major city. The other country would assume a first strike and procede to nuke the daylights out of the first country. Seeing the incoming swarm of missiles, the first country would send more to the other country. Within 45 minutes, dozens or even hundreds of major cities would be turned to dust.
This is one of the few times you'll hear me honestly ask "is it open source?" I ask because I would love to see an IRIX version of this for my Silicon Graphics Octane workstation, and I know it's not going to happen otherwise. The IRIX world is stick at version 5 with few alternatives.
Yeah, yeah, I know, flash sucks. But sometimes you need to have it to visit certain sites. Sure beats having to fire up my PC just o look at the newest movie site.
And yes, SGIs are oldschool. But Octanes are pretty cheap on eBay and are becoming common with we hardware collectors (if you're not that type, you probably know one... house full of computers with at least one working Amiga and probably a NeXT cube too). And it makes for a great main workstation!
When SJobs started at Apple for the second time, the personality cult kicked in and the slavering press wanted to know what kind of computer he used. I think it took years before he gave up his ThinkPad (I guess he must've by now) even while he was crowing about new iBooks. That seriously pissed some fanboys off.
He also used a Toshiba notebook.
But both the Toshiba and the ThinkPad were running the NeXT OS, OpenStep. Until the release of Keynote for Mac OS X, he was still using an in-house application running on his ThinkPad for his keynote presentations. Those who have exchanged email with Jobs have also said his x-mailer header used to report that he was using NeXTmail for email as well.
Lessee.... Jobs co-founded Apple, was ousted from Apple, founded NeXT, Apple boughtNeXT, and somewhere in between, Jobs got involved with Pixar.
Pixar started off as a software development group within George Lucas's Industrial Light and Magic. It was going nowhere, despite some cool tech. Steve Jobs bought the group from Lucas and formed a software and services company, Pixar. They created Renderman from their original "REYES" (renders everything you ever saw) project, made a clustered version of Renderman (NetRenderman), wrote a few 3D graphics programs for Macs, and even did the animation for some TV commercials (remember the dancing lifesavers in the late 1980s?). Today they "only" do movies and the Renderman suite. Under Jobs, they've been almost constantly profitable and always creative.
You're forgetting about the UI that would have to be rewritten to use Cocoa (or Carbon), Quartz, etc., i.e., the native Mac OS X UI as opposed to X Windows on other Unix flavors. This is more involved that just a simple port. (Yes, you can run X Windows on top of OS X, but that abilily hasn't been around that long.)
PRMan itself has no GUI, it's CLI. The various dispatching tools have minimal GUIs that could probably be ported in a day or two.
X11 has been available on Mac OS X for almost as long as the OS has been available, just not always from Apple. An early version of Matlab for OS X used the original XDarwin, for example. Because Apple's X11 implementation of OpenGL runs just as fast as their "native" Cocoa implementation, Pixar does not need to rush into making a full GUI port of their in-house animation software, marinette.
That application, btw, seems to have a very oldschool interface. I don't know if it was first used on the Pixar Imaging Computer or on Pixar's first SGI Indigos and Crimsons so many years ago, but it sure has that late 1980s look. Even in their more recent "making-of" videos, their animation tools have that oldschool look on their Linux boxes and their SGI Octane2 workstations. If OS X can handle X11 and OpenGL just fine, why bother to change the software's GUI now?
BUT! Oracle stuck with Unix in general. They didn't move the whole ship, captain, and crew to NT as was common in the late 1990s. They're showing everyone that NT is not necessarily "the future" or "the only way to stay competitive" as so many other companies have said.
Small to medium size organisations are still installing a lot of Microsoft servers for in-house use. On the desktop, Linux has made virtually no impression in smaller organisations, and I think they feel more comfortable with desktops and servers based on common technology.
While it's true that Linux has not made many inroads on the small to medium organization desktops, it *HAS* made a huge change in the way small to medium size businesses handle server tasks. Yes, there are MANY small businesses that run dedicated Microsoft-based servers, but there may be just as many running Linux. In fact, I've seen more Linux than "Windows Server" in the small businesses I've worked with. The Internet and Internet-related protocols and standards are one reason this is even possible. Another driving force is cost savings.
From my own experience and informal polls amongst friends, I would say that the popularity ordering for internal servers in small to medium size businesses is: 1) Windows personal file sharing 2) Dedicated Windows client running as a server tie 2) Linux/Unix based dedicated server 3) Dedicated "Windows Server" (such as Server 2003)
For large businesses, Microsoft is king. There are a few corporate giants that run Lotus, but most are MS Office + Exchange based. It's not uncommon to see an entire rack dedicated to Exchange running on a cluster of Dells serving the email and calendar needs for a 3000 employee company. Overkill? Maybe. Overpriced? Probably.
I wish Sun hadn't killed Cobalt... I knew a lot of very happy small businesses using RaQ and Qube servers for their internal servers. The big thing today seems to be Network Attached Storage, but such applicances generally lack email daemons.
Oracle did not migrate from MS though. They previously used SUN workstations for development.
So? The point is, Oracle is sticking with Unix. In the late 1990s, the trend was to migrate from Unix to NT. Oracle has had their software available for NT for several years now, but they kept the whole ship running on Sun Solaris. Now they're moving to Linux. So... true, this isn't a "MS to Linux success story", but it is just as important... Oracle is stemming the tide and showing the world that porting and moving to NT is not necessarily the wave of the future.
And incidentally, while I know it's very fashionable to bash Wal-Mart... what everyone seems to forget is that Wal-Mart has made it possible for lower-class people to live more middle-class lives.
Everyone also seems to forget that the only reason Wal-Mart can sell for less is because they're leading the trend of asian-imported, shoddy, lightweight, limited-lifetime goods. (While at the same time they hightly promote the few "Made In USA" goods left in the store) The company demands to get more from their buying dollar each year, this trickles down to manufacturing which has to cut corners. Eventually there are no corners left.
You and middle class America are NOT saving money because of Wal-Mart, you are actually spending more on replacement costs and are continuing to damage the environment in the process.
But... the Wal-Mart lifestyle is what people seem to want these days. Gone are the times of the hand-me-down. Welcome to the world of "I need a new cell phone, this model is over a year old!!!!!".
HP did not produce the first reliable laser printer. That would have been Apple, with the LaserWriter, in 1985. Mechanicals were supplied by Canon, parts from their small copiers.
There were reliable laser printers before the Apple LaserWriter, but the LW was designed from the ground up to support networking and Postscript-based text and graphics. The digital components were 100% Apple-designed with help from Adobe.
The LW is important because it enabled, in 1985, offices of Macs to cheaply network their machines (AppleTalk, via high speed serial ports... also available on ISA cards for PCs) to share a high quality laser printer for Postscript output from applications such as Aldus PageMaker (July 1985... now Adobe PageMaker or InDesign).
All of this several months before Windows 1.0 even shipped... and over a year before Compaq sold the first IBM-compatible PC clone.
The HP 4C scanner also works with Impressario, the printing/scanning software that ships with IRIX 6.5. I used to have this exact scanner running on my Silicon Graphics Indy.
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Check out Konq-E. (Konquereor Embedded) It is stripped down Konq that runs against Qt and some stub KDE classes. Works really well! It renders web pages better than Moz, and for the performce/space/features it can't be beat, except for a few co mmercial offerings.. Oh yeah, did i mention full JAVASCRIPT? And it is based off of Konquerer 3.2! I'm interested in Konq-E. I've read about it, but have not been able to build it as it seems to require an embedded version of Qt which I neither have nor can afford. If you know how to build Konq-E for free on Linux and/or Solaris, please post the details, I'd love to give it a try. (Full-blown Konq 3.2.1 is too slow for me).
Well, from that top 500 list, I'm impressed my desktop PC (3200 MHz PIV, not actually listed, 2.5 is fastest).
It smokes the earliest few dozen Crays, not to mention the IBM RS6000 series, and smokes the holy hell out of the IBM 3090 I used at U-Mich in the mid-late '80's.
Too bad you don't have access to a time machine, that Pentium would be the cat's meow back in 1985!
Hmm, y'know, someone should devise a standard unit to show just how well a newer machine can smoke an older machine. Liters of Smoke perhaps?
I do not want to get flamed, but honestly, when I read this stuff I wonder how everyone can get so pissed off when someone breaks the GPL yet be so supportive of someone doing this kind of work?
For all of the lofty talk in the community, is it at it's root support for whatever it takes to get "what I want, free"?
There's a big difference here...
PlayFair decrypts.m4p files into plain.m4a/AAC files. The reason people use PlayFair is to allow the use of iTunes-purchased files to be played back without having to use an iPod or iTunes. Sure this could lead to increased piracy, but so does buying a CD at Walmart.
PlayFair still requires the music to be purchased in the first place. Apple's files (at the RIAA and record labels' demands) are still encrypted, even after "purchase".
PlayFair users are generally working with their own, purchased files. They are not dipping into some secret Apple server full of encrypted, unsold songs.
iTunes buyers simply want more freedom. They're using PlayFair to achieve this.
Of course! Apple has to show the RIAA and record labels that they're trying to prevent "unauthorized decryption" of the.m4p files from the iTunes store.
There's really nothing else that Apple can do. If they ignore PlayFair, the RIAA will surly pull the plug on iTunes.
I'm waiting for Microsoft to start their MSN music store. I have a feeling MS will tell the RIAA what they can do with their wishes and desires. For one, MS will want to keep as much money to themselves as possible. They'll also want the RIAA to quick overreacting every time a weakness in DRM is exploited.
I've had a Plus for about 14 years as well as a 128K and a 512Ke for the past 8. All run fine, the Plus even ran 24/7 for three years as my X10 home automation controller. The top vent gets warm, as does the vent on my oldschool G3 CRT iMac... but I've never had heat-related crashes. Very few crashes at all, actually.
OT: On the other hand, my well-vented PowerMac 8100 was a crashy nightmare, but that was due to the horrid versions 7.5.x and 8.x of the OS.
Further OT: I never tried 9.x. I did the NT, 2K, and XP thing. Came back to Apple/Mac/NeXT with a PowerBook G4 and OS X 10.3 Panther... and I couldn't be happier!
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I remember The Dalles from the game I used to play in grade school, The Oregon Trail. Some quick googling found this:
http://www.isu.edu/~trinmich/Thedalles.html
Apparently The Dalles is where the Oregon Trail ends and the 100 mile Columbia River rafting to the Willamette Valley began.
BTW, did anyone else here ever play The Oregon Trail? I practically grew up with it. Version 1 on the Apple II only required 48 KB of RAM but it was crap. Version 2 was way better but I thnk it required 96 or 128 KB and used a double sided disk. The first Mac version was awesome, it even supported LAN play via AppleTalk. I recently got to play a modern version at my Mom's school... all sorts of funky pre-rendered 3D, but it was more restrictive and less fun than the original versions.
And let's be blunt here. A single Minuteman launched at a major world city could kill millions of people.
A single missile strike would lead to far more than the devistation of one major city. The other country would assume a first strike and procede to nuke the daylights out of the first country. Seeing the incoming swarm of missiles, the first country would send more to the other country. Within 45 minutes, dozens or even hundreds of major cities would be turned to dust.
Cool tip, thanks!
BTW, how does Flash 7 compare to Flash 5 and 6 in terms of performance on older hardware?
This is one of the few times you'll hear me honestly ask "is it open source?" I ask because I would love to see an IRIX version of this for my Silicon Graphics Octane workstation, and I know it's not going to happen otherwise. The IRIX world is stick at version 5 with few alternatives.
Yeah, yeah, I know, flash sucks. But sometimes you need to have it to visit certain sites. Sure beats having to fire up my PC just o look at the newest movie site.
And yes, SGIs are oldschool. But Octanes are pretty cheap on eBay and are becoming common with we hardware collectors (if you're not that type, you probably know one... house full of computers with at least one working Amiga and probably a NeXT cube too). And it makes for a great main workstation!
When SJobs started at Apple for the second time, the personality cult kicked in and the slavering press wanted to know what kind of computer he used. I think it took years before he gave up his ThinkPad (I guess he must've by now) even while he was crowing about new iBooks. That seriously pissed some fanboys off.
He also used a Toshiba notebook.
But both the Toshiba and the ThinkPad were running the NeXT OS, OpenStep. Until the release of Keynote for Mac OS X, he was still using an in-house application running on his ThinkPad for his keynote presentations. Those who have exchanged email with Jobs have also said his x-mailer header used to report that he was using NeXTmail for email as well.
Hopefully there'll be a 4.11 soon.... anything .10 looks so bizzare. FreeBSD 4.10 reminds me of IRIX 6.5.10. They almost look like typos!
Lessee.... Jobs co-founded Apple, was ousted from Apple, founded NeXT, Apple boughtNeXT, and somewhere in between, Jobs got involved with Pixar.
Pixar started off as a software development group within George Lucas's Industrial Light and Magic. It was going nowhere, despite some cool tech. Steve Jobs bought the group from Lucas and formed a software and services company, Pixar. They created Renderman from their original "REYES" (renders everything you ever saw) project, made a clustered version of Renderman (NetRenderman), wrote a few 3D graphics programs for Macs, and even did the animation for some TV commercials (remember the dancing lifesavers in the late 1980s?). Today they "only" do movies and the Renderman suite.
Under Jobs, they've been almost constantly profitable and always creative.
It did say he only invested in two companies -- perhaps NeXT wasn't publicly traded?
I don't know. But I do know Ross Perot invested $20 Million or so early on. (I wonder if he got a cut when Apple bought NeXT?)
You're forgetting about the UI that would have to be rewritten to use Cocoa (or Carbon), Quartz, etc., i.e., the native Mac OS X UI as opposed to X Windows on other Unix flavors. This is more involved that just a simple port. (Yes, you can run X Windows on top of OS X, but that abilily hasn't been around that long.)
PRMan itself has no GUI, it's CLI. The various dispatching tools have minimal GUIs that could probably be ported in a day or two.
X11 has been available on Mac OS X for almost as long as the OS has been available, just not always from Apple. An early version of Matlab for OS X used the original XDarwin, for example. Because Apple's X11 implementation of OpenGL runs just as fast as their "native" Cocoa implementation, Pixar does not need to rush into making a full GUI port of their in-house animation software, marinette.
That application, btw, seems to have a very oldschool interface. I don't know if it was first used on the Pixar Imaging Computer or on Pixar's first SGI Indigos and Crimsons so many years ago, but it sure has that late 1980s look. Even in their more recent "making-of" videos, their animation tools have that oldschool look on their Linux boxes and their SGI Octane2 workstations. If OS X can handle X11 and OpenGL just fine, why bother to change the software's GUI now?
This is a move FROM Sun Solaris TO Linux.
You are correct.
BUT! Oracle stuck with Unix in general. They didn't move the whole ship, captain, and crew to NT as was common in the late 1990s. They're showing everyone that NT is not necessarily "the future" or "the only way to stay competitive" as so many other companies have said.
Small to medium size organisations are still installing a lot of Microsoft servers for in-house use. On the desktop, Linux has made virtually no impression in smaller organisations, and I think they feel more comfortable with desktops and servers based on common technology.
While it's true that Linux has not made many inroads on the small to medium organization desktops, it *HAS* made a huge change in the way small to medium size businesses handle server tasks. Yes, there are MANY small businesses that run dedicated Microsoft-based servers, but there may be just as many running Linux. In fact, I've seen more Linux than "Windows Server" in the small businesses I've worked with. The Internet and Internet-related protocols and standards are one reason this is even possible. Another driving force is cost savings.
From my own experience and informal polls amongst friends, I would say that the popularity ordering for internal servers in small to medium size businesses is:
1) Windows personal file sharing
2) Dedicated Windows client running as a server
tie
2) Linux/Unix based dedicated server
3) Dedicated "Windows Server" (such as Server 2003)
For large businesses, Microsoft is king. There are a few corporate giants that run Lotus, but most are MS Office + Exchange based. It's not uncommon to see an entire rack dedicated to Exchange running on a cluster of Dells serving the email and calendar needs for a 3000 employee company. Overkill? Maybe. Overpriced? Probably.
I wish Sun hadn't killed Cobalt... I knew a lot of very happy small businesses using RaQ and Qube servers for their internal servers. The big thing today seems to be Network Attached Storage, but such applicances generally lack email daemons.
Oracle did not migrate from MS though. They previously used SUN workstations for development.
So? The point is, Oracle is sticking with Unix. In the late 1990s, the trend was to migrate from Unix to NT. Oracle has had their software available for NT for several years now, but they kept the whole ship running on Sun Solaris. Now they're moving to Linux. So... true, this isn't a "MS to Linux success story", but it is just as important... Oracle is stemming the tide and showing the world that porting and moving to NT is not necessarily the wave of the future.
IMHO, the key to it all.....is patents. The patent system needs to be re-written so that it protects real innovation and not real big legal budgets.
But I thought patents on ideas, concepts, and software are evil?!?!
But inventors should be able to protect their ideas?!?!
*Head Explodes*
And incidentally, while I know it's very fashionable to bash Wal-Mart ... what everyone seems to forget is that Wal-Mart has made it possible for lower-class people to live more middle-class lives.
Everyone also seems to forget that the only reason Wal-Mart can sell for less is because they're leading the trend of asian-imported, shoddy, lightweight, limited-lifetime goods. (While at the same time they hightly promote the few "Made In USA" goods left in the store) The company demands to get more from their buying dollar each year, this trickles down to manufacturing which has to cut corners. Eventually there are no corners left.
You and middle class America are NOT saving money because of Wal-Mart, you are actually spending more on replacement costs and are continuing to damage the environment in the process.
But... the Wal-Mart lifestyle is what people seem to want these days. Gone are the times of the hand-me-down. Welcome to the world of "I need a new cell phone, this model is over a year old!!!!!".
HP did not produce the first reliable laser printer. That would have been Apple, with the LaserWriter, in 1985. Mechanicals were supplied by Canon, parts from their small copiers.
There were reliable laser printers before the Apple LaserWriter, but the LW was designed from the ground up to support networking and Postscript-based text and graphics. The digital components were 100% Apple-designed with help from Adobe.
The LW is important because it enabled, in 1985, offices of Macs to cheaply network their machines (AppleTalk, via high speed serial ports... also available on ISA cards for PCs) to share a high quality laser printer for Postscript output from applications such as Aldus PageMaker (July 1985... now Adobe PageMaker or InDesign).
All of this several months before Windows 1.0 even shipped... and over a year before Compaq sold the first IBM-compatible PC clone.
The HP 4C scanner also works with Impressario, the printing/scanning software that ships with IRIX 6.5. I used to have this exact scanner running on my Silicon Graphics Indy.
Check out Konq-E. (Konquereor Embedded) It is stripped down Konq that runs against Qt and some stub KDE classes. Works really well! It renders web pages better than Moz, and for the performce/space/features it can't be beat, except for a few co mmercial offerings.. Oh yeah, did i mention full JAVASCRIPT? And it is based off of Konquerer 3.2!
I'm interested in Konq-E. I've read about it, but have not been able to build it as it seems to require an embedded version of Qt which I neither have nor can afford. If you know how to build Konq-E for free on Linux and/or Solaris, please post the details, I'd love to give it a try. (Full-blown Konq 3.2.1 is too slow for me).
Well, from that top 500 list, I'm impressed my desktop PC (3200 MHz PIV, not actually listed, 2.5 is fastest).
It smokes the earliest few dozen Crays, not to mention the IBM RS6000 series, and smokes the holy hell out of the IBM 3090 I used at U-Mich in the mid-late '80's.
Too bad you don't have access to a time machine, that Pentium would be the cat's meow back in 1985!
Hmm, y'know, someone should devise a standard unit to show just how well a newer machine can smoke an older machine. Liters of Smoke perhaps?
Dude, it's no secret:l -S-2346-23/z1019077484.html
http://www.cray.com/craydoc/manuals/S-2346-23/htm
I do not want to get flamed, but honestly, when I read this stuff I wonder how everyone can get so pissed off when someone breaks the GPL yet be so supportive of someone doing this kind of work?
.m4p files into plain .m4a/AAC files. The reason people use PlayFair is to allow the use of iTunes-purchased files to be played back without having to use an iPod or iTunes. Sure this could lead to increased piracy, but so does buying a CD at Walmart.
For all of the lofty talk in the community, is it at it's root support for whatever it takes to get "what I want, free"?
There's a big difference here...
PlayFair decrypts
PlayFair still requires the music to be purchased in the first place. Apple's files (at the RIAA and record labels' demands) are still encrypted, even after "purchase".
PlayFair users are generally working with their own, purchased files. They are not dipping into some secret Apple server full of encrypted, unsold songs.
iTunes buyers simply want more freedom. They're using PlayFair to achieve this.
>>How will Apple respond?
.m4p files from the iTunes store.
>With FairPlay v3.
Of course! Apple has to show the RIAA and record labels that they're trying to prevent "unauthorized decryption" of the
There's really nothing else that Apple can do. If they ignore PlayFair, the RIAA will surly pull the plug on iTunes.
I'm waiting for Microsoft to start their MSN music store. I have a feeling MS will tell the RIAA what they can do with their wishes and desires. For one, MS will want to keep as much money to themselves as possible. They'll also want the RIAA to quick overreacting every time a weakness in DRM is exploited.
Like the whiney self-absorbed little beeyatch that it is.
No, I'm pretty sure Apple will ignore this. The company would love for the RIAA to pull the plug on iTunes.
I've had a Plus for about 14 years as well as a 128K and a 512Ke for the past 8. All run fine, the Plus even ran 24/7 for three years as my X10 home automation controller. The top vent gets warm, as does the vent on my oldschool G3 CRT iMac... but I've never had heat-related crashes. Very few crashes at all, actually.
OT: On the other hand, my well-vented PowerMac 8100 was a crashy nightmare, but that was due to the horrid versions 7.5.x and 8.x of the OS.
Further OT: I never tried 9.x. I did the NT, 2K, and XP thing. Came back to Apple/Mac/NeXT with a PowerBook G4 and OS X 10.3 Panther... and I couldn't be happier!
Anti-gay, anti-abortion founder...
I think I'll order from Dominos tonight!
>> 80186 was not a failure. I just was not used in PC's.
>Don't tell me that. My 1st PC was a TRS80 with a 186 processor.
Umm, the "80" in "TRS-80" refers to its Zilog Z80 processor.