I make well over three times what my bills amount to, hence, even if I took a 2/3 pay cut (and no, I don't want to) I would still get by. Of course I am not a credit card slave either - those people I have zero sympathy for.
What I am referring to are the POS programmers who were college grads in 1995-1999 who got sky high starting salaries and signing bonuses, and are still expecting such. I had close to 7 years of programming experience in '97... and here I was extending offers to kids who hadn't even graduated that were for more salary than mine! One kid "required" a company car (preferred a BMW to a Mercedes). No lie.
There was a madness back then... The tech downturn "corrected" much of this, but much of this excess is still with us today.
Had PSI Net not purchased the naming rights to the Baltimore Ravens Stadium they quite possibly would still be in business today.
Last night I went to the company xmas party. The subject of Christmas bonuses came up. The average bonus was $2000. EVERYONE got a bonus. People complained: not big enough.
The company GAVE away an average of 2K to people just because... and people still complained ("I remember the 20K bonuses at dropdotbomb... this just does stack up" - an actual quote).
I am not saying the greedy CEO's and stockholders aren't to blame also - they are. But this kind of attitude just goes to show that many American works expect far more than they are worth.
If US companies want to combat outsourcing they have to start from the bottom - offer lower pay to incoming workers, and somehow get rid of the top heavy "older" workers (attrition, lay off, whatever) from the 90's.
The excesses of our recent past are smothering us!
A question: how fast are salaries rising in India? I am betting you won't see Indian companies buying the naming rights of football stadiums and offering half a years pay as a signing bonus.
1) Having ported lots of code between VC++ and gcc I can tell you that there would be some modification, especially down that low.
2) POSIX subsystem compilance was never very advanced, so obviously not much being pulled from there
3) Certainly the file systems are very different
4) The header files aren't even close in the headers that are common between the two
Recognize this directory tree?
http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/info/xpsrctree .s html
Didn't think so. (Means very little however.)
Socket implementation is different, threading model is different, task scheduling is different...
So while there could be plagarism, it would not be without so much effort that you may was well just write the stuff yourself, after being inspired and pointed in the right direction by the GPL'ed code.
Yeah I saw that post-post... I guess it still would be possible to spoof them however, but it would take more doing.
Plus the danger exists of a nontech savvy librarian seeing the gold disc in the sleeve with a home printed label and not recognizing it for a fake.
But I agree - Manufacturers discs and security lables put on by the library would go a long way to addressing this issue. The checksum could be random in nature.
You are right......oh but wait... after thinking about your comment for, um FIVE MILLISECONDS I figure that perhaps she would be doing that AFTER HOURS when the shelves are being restocked... and it wouldn't be an all comsuming task - someone would just swap discs everyonce in a while.
Valid points (to my un-library-trained self atleast).
Why would IT be involved at all? Yes it is software, but it is simply content that people are borrowing. Does IT also help out when someone rents a tape that their VCR eats?
As far as tech support, simply stick to your guns and don't provide any.
Cataloging. My local library manages to have current best sellers on the shelves in a timely manner.
>> I thought we'd done away with the stockade punishment.
An action which has done more to divorce a criminal from resposibility for his crime than any other.
Bring the "stockade" back and crime would drop dramatically. It doesn't have to be a stockade. Simply a holding cell with thick glass walls that passersby can see into.
...being fired because of race/gender/age discrimination = but not on pay discrimination?
Look - if US companies don't want to spend so much on payroll maybe they shouldn't offer fresh college grads $70K because they took a class or two in C++.
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I make well over three times what my bills amount to, hence, even if I took a 2/3 pay cut (and no, I don't want to) I would still get by. Of course I am not a credit card slave either - those people I have zero sympathy for.
What I am referring to are the POS programmers who were college grads in 1995-1999 who got sky high starting salaries and signing bonuses, and are still expecting such. I had close to 7 years of programming experience in '97... and here I was extending offers to kids who hadn't even graduated that were for more salary than mine! One kid "required" a company car (preferred a BMW to a Mercedes). No lie.
There was a madness back then... The tech downturn "corrected" much of this, but much of this excess is still with us today.
Had PSI Net not purchased the naming rights to the Baltimore Ravens Stadium they quite possibly would still be in business today.
We'll call it the Union of Unemployed American Technical Workers (b/c upper management had to get offshore while the getting was good).
Cops, teachers, and bank tellers manage to survive on much much less than your average programmer.
A wholly-owned subsidiary of a large defense contractor that starts with the letter "R".
That's all the info you get.
That is exactly what I mean.
Your argument is self negating: getting rid of the programmers who "know" the product is happening anyway - they are being replaced with Indians.
I love people like you who think that we can stop this trend while retaiing our current salary rates: wake up - it just isn't going to happen.
Many programmers are willing to ask management to give up margins, shareholders to give up profit, but they aren't willing to give up salary!
NEW FLASH: we all have to tighten up to compete.
Many of us expect too much!
Last night I went to the company xmas party. The subject of Christmas bonuses came up. The average bonus was $2000. EVERYONE got a bonus. People complained: not big enough.
The company GAVE away an average of 2K to people just because... and people still complained ("I remember the 20K bonuses at dropdotbomb... this just does stack up" - an actual quote).
I am not saying the greedy CEO's and stockholders aren't to blame also - they are. But this kind of attitude just goes to show that many American works expect far more than they are worth.
If US companies want to combat outsourcing they have to start from the bottom - offer lower pay to incoming workers, and somehow get rid of the top heavy "older" workers (attrition, lay off, whatever) from the 90's.
The excesses of our recent past are smothering us!
A question: how fast are salaries rising in India? I am betting you won't see Indian companies buying the naming rights of football stadiums and offering half a years pay as a signing bonus.
...and Kazaa (!) will have long since launched the nuclear strike...
1) Having ported lots of code between VC++ and gcc I can tell you that there would be some modification, especially down that low.
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2) POSIX subsystem compilance was never very advanced, so obviously not much being pulled from there
3) Certainly the file systems are very different
4) The header files aren't even close in the headers that are common between the two
Recognize this directory tree?
http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/info/xpsrctre
Didn't think so. (Means very little however.)
Socket implementation is different, threading model is different, task scheduling is different...
So while there could be plagarism, it would not be without so much effort that you may was well just write the stuff yourself, after being inspired and pointed in the right direction by the GPL'ed code.
...I'd have to say no.
Well I think between vendor discs only (only silver), security stickers on the disc, and the checksum we'd be 99%ish ok.
Yeah I saw that post-post... I guess it still would be possible to spoof them however, but it would take more doing.
Plus the danger exists of a nontech savvy librarian seeing the gold disc in the sleeve with a home printed label and not recognizing it for a fake.
But I agree - Manufacturers discs and security lables put on by the library would go a long way to addressing this issue. The checksum could be random in nature.
Well hell Clit, I mean Clint... YOU were the one who brought up audio discs in the context of this thread. So what's that say about you?
I suspect we wouldn't have to worry about users returning malicious audio discs... unless of course we are talking about the Backstreet Boyz.
You are right... ...oh but wait... after thinking about your comment for, um FIVE MILLISECONDS I figure that perhaps she would be doing that AFTER HOURS when the shelves are being restocked... and it wouldn't be an all comsuming task - someone would just swap discs everyonce in a while.
Valid points (to my un-library-trained self atleast).
Why would IT be involved at all? Yes it is software, but it is simply content that people are borrowing. Does IT also help out when someone rents a tape that their VCR eats?
As far as tech support, simply stick to your guns and don't provide any.
Cataloging. My local library manages to have current best sellers on the shelves in a timely manner.
Security labels and a CD checksum when returning.
...just to make sure what went out is what came back in. :-)
(Admittedly I have not yet read the article he may well have covered this.)
...I'd wait at a rest stop on I95 North and when one pulled up I'd toss my EZ pass into the back of a pickup truck with NY plates (I live in MD)
Then I'd head for Florida... the gateway to the Carribean.
And I guess you'll be feeing great when you get SOMEONE ELSE"S ticket... but you have to pay. :shaking head:
...tied to a fishing pole.
Reel it back in, watch.
I realize that this is so low tech as to be laughable... but it seems reasonable to me.
...if the light turns green, test fails.
The cellphone experiment is invalid.
...don't speed.
LANGUAGE!
You poke it into a computer and the computer does stuff... what more do you want?
But I agree with most of your post.
It will be interesting to see the first truly original Indian software.
>> I thought we'd done away with the stockade punishment.
An action which has done more to divorce a criminal from resposibility for his crime than any other.
Bring the "stockade" back and crime would drop dramatically. It doesn't have to be a stockade. Simply a holding cell with thick glass walls that passersby can see into.
...being fired because of race/gender/age discrimination = but not on pay discrimination?
Look - if US companies don't want to spend so much on payroll maybe they shouldn't offer fresh college grads $70K because they took a class or two in C++.