Why do FSF advocates insist on clouding the difference between the right to
free-use and the right to change the source?
On the contrary, I think the FSF explains the different types of
free software very clearly.
The common response to a question such as yours is: would you buy a car with the hood welded shut?
You're not a mechanic, so what do you care?
Take, for example, Intel Solaris.
It was distributed free of charge from its web site, ISOs and all.
I download it, install it on my web server, happy as a clam that I have a free, enterprise O/S behind MyPuppySam.org.
Oops, the web server crashed, and I have to reinstall.
Hmm, the Solaris CD-R is scratched.
"Hey, buddy, can I borrow your Solaris disk?" I ask my friend.
"Sorry, dude, didn't you read the license agreement?
I'm not allowed to lend you my copy.
You'll have to go download it again," he replies.
Oops, it's not available for download any more, because it's been "deferred," whatever that means.
Guess I'll have to pay $50 and wait for the mail man.
I guess I should count myself lucky that I can buy the media kit, at all.
The choice is: Enough money to feed the family and pay the mortgage, or give back to the community and make a fraction of what you could have otherwise.
It's not always this black and white
Larry's company sells proprietary software.
Nothing wrong with that, although I question the wisdom of putting a startup in an area that demands $160K salaries.
Also, speaking for myself, I'd take a pay cut to work on free software.
(I think I could get by on $100K.)
The complaint over the license has less to do with Larry than with Linus.
Linus isn't fanatical about free software.
He'd like the world to believe that Linux is successful because he's such a great manager, never mind the GPL.
Mozilla and Evolution are good enough.
I won't abandon them just because IE and Netscape are freeware.
Linus thinks that CVS is not good enough.
RMS would have him resist the temptation of BitKeeper freeware, because it lessens the incentive to improve CVS (or replace it with something better).
After all, where would Linux be today if its users and developers had been tempted away by non-commercial SCO or freeware Solaris?
But Linus isn't fanatical.
The GPL doesn't allow for patented techniques to be used that aren't licensed for everyone's free use
That depends on how you're interpreting "everyone's free use."
It is definitely possible to license a patent for use only in GPLed software.
See, for example, the RTLinux open patent license.
If I had a patent, I'd license it defensively: to people who have no patents and to people who only use patents defensively.
In terms of mutual defense, I wouldn't grant a license to patent aggressors.
This is similar to the Gilmore patent license someone mentioned in another post.
how on earth can this be patented?... Like any reporting engine ever written?
I'm not going to defend these patents, but keep in mind that the claims are ANDed together, not ORed.
Don't read the first claim and exclaim that Red Hat patented reports.
It patented a static HTTP server that uses an object cache in an O/S kernel and meets the characteristics of all twelve claims.
The question is, as with all patents: is this a novel, non-obvious (to one skilled in the art) leap from the existing prior art?
I doubt it.
Netraverse has been very regular and dependable in updating their kernel archive.
Therefore, to claim that you can't get kernel patches for their products is merely to spread unfounded fear, uncertainty and doubt
I just wanted to follow up on this, as I've been waiting almost three weeks for Red Hat 7.3 patches.
The patches still aren't available, but the prepatched 2.4.18-3 kernel (already out of date) is available through the GUI installer, as of this week.
I never said you can't get kernel patches; I said: "you're dependent on NeTraverse" releasing patches.
I tried to apply the generic 2.4.18 to Red Hat's 2.4.18-3 and -4.
It didn't work, because of a 20 MB Alan Cox patch.
Again, not faulting Win4Lin, but pointing out the dependency.
No FUD here.
In fact, your counter FUD sounds like PROP: press-release optimism.
I've got two [patent] applications and I need to finish writing up - which I wouldn't be doing unless I was *convinced* this was the only way to do things in the short term, and that generic GPL use would be granted
If you're opposed to (software) patents, I hope you won't limit free licensing to GPLed software.
While it may be difficult to implement, mutual defense is the appropriate patent analog to the GNU GPL.
The intersection of copyright and patent opponents is smaller than either on its own.
If you are in both camps, support them separately with copyleft and mutual defense.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, or something like that.
Undefended patents are lost... Won't RH have to sue (or get a licence agreement out of) anyone who infringes on these patents in the meantime, in order to preserve them for the fight against MS?
No.
Trademarks can be abandoned (i.e., revert to the public domain) if they are not defended against dilution.
Patents don't work that way.
They can lie in wait for the technology to be more widely used, even if by independent invention.
The most public instance of such a "submarine patent" is the GIF patent.
Slashdot has also reported on BT's hyperlink patent.
Ditto Rambus's SDRAM patents.
The only obstacles to late enforcement of a patent are public opinion and laws against unfair business practices.
The latter is mentioned in the Rambus link above.
with just a little bit of effort, a vendor can release a Linux version of a game
Going on kind of a tangent, I have to say that I'm disappointed in the dearth of Quake, Unreal, and LithTech games for Linux.
The engines are cross platform, yet we see so few licensees make the effort to port their own game code.
We've got Unreal Tournament, Quake 2 and 3, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and Kingpin.
F.A.K.K.2, Shogo, Sin, and Soldier of Fortune were ported externally.
What about Elite Force, Medal of Honor, Jedi Knight 2 (WineX isn't perfect), Deus Ex, The Operative, etc.?
I'm not holding my breath for Elite Force 2, Soldier of Fortune 2, The Operative 2, Deus Ex 2, or Raven Shield.
Raven and Ritual, the two top Quake developers, haven't shown much interest in Linux.
Considering that folks can get [The Sims] (on Win32) for $50US, there's little incentive to buy it except "for the good of the company".
That assumes that you have Windows and dual boot.
The Windows version doesn't work under WineX, and I don't see TransGaming fixing that any time soon.
Even more annoying: for your $70, you can't even play any of the expansion packs.
Linux gaming's time has come and gone, and will come again, eventually.
I've been looking forward to Neverwinter Nights, but they'll have to fix the SDK EULA to get my money.
Okay, this is totally off topic, but I just read over at Gamasutra that Max Payne, one of the flagship games for WineX 2.0, was sold to Take-Two Interactive for $34-million dollars.
most people who read [books on nutrition and dieting] end up eating junk food anyway because they just don't have the time to do it right.
I use habits learned from Code Complete every day, such as taking the time to choose a good name (no, I'm not talking about Hungarian notation).
The single most important point of the book is that people read code, too.
I found Writing Solid Code, another Microsoft Press book, to be less enjoyable.
It was, however, worth its price for one C habit I've retained: put the rvalue on the left in equality tests.
For example: if( 0 == foo ).
Why wait until run time to find that you've accidentally assigned, instead of compared?
As to "junk food" in programming, I prefer to categorize all of that as "rapid prototyping."
I would prefer to fly knowing that the software controlling air traffic was produced by a small number of companies.... I would like to hold someone liable if there was a software glitch that should have been found and fixed before being deployed.
I'd just like to respond to the myriad posts that seem to assume that open source development is only done by part-time programmers in their basement who post version 0.0.2 of their foobarnator to Freshmeat.
We're talking about about a billion-dollar project to develop software for one country's air traffic control center.
Is it so hard to imagine that countries could collaborate on the development of this kind of software?
At some point, a plane from the UK will be handed off to French ATC.
I'd feel safer knowing that the billion dollars spent on development had gone to world-class programmers, rather than to regional pork barrel.
The "who do you sue" argument is rubbish.
Until software engineering lives up to its name, open source development can be considered no worse than the rest of the industry.
EULAs on shrink-wrap software and contracts for custom software inevitably disclaim any warranties.
If you're an important customer, you can expect a bug fix, but you can't sue for damages.
"Testing C++ Compilers for ISO Language Conformance" (Dr. Dobb's Journal, May 2002).
This article introduces a Python framework that uses example code from the standard.
Article and partial code available.
Compilers include: GCC 3.0, 2.96, 2.95; Borland 5.5; VC++ 6.0.
"C++ Conformance Roundup" (C/C++ User's Journal, April 2001).
This article, referenced by the previous article, analyzed results from Dinkumware,
Perennial, and Plum Hall.
Compilers include: IBM, Sun, Metrowerks, Intel and KAI, MS, GNU, Borland, and Comeau.
I made icewm have the most Windows-like look possible
It sounds stupid, but retraining can be painful for a "power user."
I have a Windows setup that works for me.
I put the task bar on top, set to autohide.
I rename frequently used Start menu items so I can quickly select them with the keyboard: "1 Windows Explorer," "2 cygwin bash," "3 Word," etc.
I frequently use the <Windows>-m shortcut to minimize all windows.
It has taken a while, but I've gotten more comfortable with sawfish under GNOME.
When I finally had a weekend to play around, I discovered that the panel doesn't have to be a monstrosity at the bottom of the screen, and I rearranged the applets.
I mapped some familiar shortcuts to the Windows key. However, the GNOME menu doesn't appear to support first-character discrimination, making it useless for keyboard navigation.
Despite some effort, I am still more comfortable (I hesitate to use the word "productive") under Windows.
Eventually, I'll learn GNOME-isms that I miss under Windows.
In fact, I'm already pretty attached to Galeon.
I commend your effort to make the workstations more usable, even if making them more Windows like may have felt like a regression.
Some might argue that changing the licensing after a couple of years... is not OK either.
How can you argue that TransGaming's proprietary fork is okay, but proceeding with the LGPL is not?
You can't have it both ways.
WINE is not some corporate charity, so the developers chose a license they're more comfortable with.
TransGaming leveraged a million lines of code, the result of almost ten years of development, in the development of its proprietary WineX product.
Now TransGaming wants to trade some of its code for LGPLed code.
I can forgive some WINE developers for feeling like TransGaming hasn't made good on its previous trade.
Alexandre summarized the WINE sentiment as follows:
What you are doing is you come to the party, you eat and drink from what others have brought, but when people want some of your stuff you charge them for it.
And when they complain you ask them to start charging for their stuff too, and transform the party into a shopping mall.
That said, if swapping code improves WINE, I'm all for it.
In fact, it validates the decision to go LGPL.
[Win4Lin] mucks with windows's networking... win4Lin only lets you have 64Mb RAM in your windows session
I use Win4Lin 4.0 with VNET networking.
This is much preferable to the WinSock option, although it requires setting up a separate IP address.
This may be a probem in an anal-retentive IT environment (like a university).
I can browse SourceForge pages in SSL mode with IE 6.
The Network control panel shows a "Merge NIC," along with TCP/IP.
The Windows session can see Microsoft Networking shares.
I can access shares in the Windows session via Samba from the host system.
Win4Lin 4.0 lets you allocate 128 MB to the session, but I've been happy so far with 32 MB (out of 256 MB) on a Celeron 850.
That said, I haven't been running very demanding applications.
I'd say you haven't seen Win4Lin at its best (and I clearly haven't seen it at its worst).
the claim that you have to depend upon Netraverse is just FUD. Netraverse has done a very good job of supplying kernel patches; they've got all of the patches up to the 2.4.18 kernel available.
How is it FUD to say that Win4Lin customers depend on NeTraverse maintaining patches?
If I have a kernel to which their patch doesn't apply cleanly, I sure as hell don't want to try to clean it up.
I wouldn't consider downloading a boot image for windows 98 from a common site exactly jumping through hoops
Was this "common site" a warez site?
the claim that they'll die is also FUD
The viability of Win4Lin is totally dependent on the viability of W9x.
DirectX 8.1 (not that you'd run it in Win4Lin) is not supported on Windows 95.
Visual Studio.NET is supported on NT only.
We clearly understand Win4Lin's role, and agree that it fills it nicely.
By the way, you said there's only a $20 upgrade discount.
You should have gotten an offer to upgrade for $50, which is $40 less than retail.
I use Windows 98 with Win4Lin 4.0 on Red Hat 7.2. The product works as advertised. It consists of a kernel patch (RPMs available for Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake, et al.) and utilities (also available as an RPM). It comes with a graphical installer, but I didn't use it.
It's definitely a niche product, but it's just the ticket for a Windows refugee for whom WINE doesn't quite cut it.
The VNET virtual NIC handles Internet Explorer and Eudora just fine.
One reservation in recommending Win4Lin is that the target market may find installation too difficult.
For example, I had to jump through some hoops to make a floppy boot image (I have the non-bootable W98 upgrade CD) for a system without a floppy drive.
Also, you're dependent on NeTraverse keeping the kernel patch up to date.
Unless they can make an NT/2K/XP version, Win4Lin will probably die in a year or two.
I don't know what kind of R&D NeTraverse has, as this product is basically a port of Merge from SCO to Linux.
Finally, some potential Win4Lin or VMware customers may find that connecting to a second machine with VNC is just as good a solution.
Stallman isn't asking you to pay jack shit, he's asking for a freaking single syllable!
4 bytes! G N U/!... he just wants recognition for a freaking foundation
I understand the motivation behind the GNU operating system, and that Linux was the last (but not least) major component thereof.
However, I continue to call my Red Hat 7.3 box a Linux system.
By the same token, I think it would appropriate for, say, Debian to deemphasize Linux, and simply call it a GNU system.
The distinction is more ideological than technical.
"Linux" is the popular usage.
Trying to change it to "GNU/Linux" is counter productive.
I'd prefer a pen computer at this size
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Sony PCG-U1
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· Score: 2
There's small and there's usable after fifteen generation of some, uh, serious genetic engineering.
The first generation of pen / tablet computers didn't go over so well, because they were too big.
I think the wide acceptance of PDAs, combined with the miniaturization demonstrated by the this little VAIO, sets the stage for a second wave of pen computers.
At this size, give me just the screen, or give me two screens that fold up like a book.
I could probably write graffiti faster than I could hunt and peck on that keyboard, to say nothing of the mouse.
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You're kidding, right? WINE has already helped TransGaming, to the tune of a million lines of code.
On the contrary, I think the FSF explains the different types of free software very clearly. The common response to a question such as yours is: would you buy a car with the hood welded shut? You're not a mechanic, so what do you care?
Take, for example, Intel Solaris. It was distributed free of charge from its web site, ISOs and all. I download it, install it on my web server, happy as a clam that I have a free, enterprise O/S behind MyPuppySam.org. Oops, the web server crashed, and I have to reinstall. Hmm, the Solaris CD-R is scratched. "Hey, buddy, can I borrow your Solaris disk?" I ask my friend. "Sorry, dude, didn't you read the license agreement? I'm not allowed to lend you my copy. You'll have to go download it again," he replies. Oops, it's not available for download any more, because it's been "deferred," whatever that means. Guess I'll have to pay $50 and wait for the mail man. I guess I should count myself lucky that I can buy the media kit, at all.
Larry's company sells proprietary software. Nothing wrong with that, although I question the wisdom of putting a startup in an area that demands $160K salaries. Also, speaking for myself, I'd take a pay cut to work on free software. (I think I could get by on $100K.)
The complaint over the license has less to do with Larry than with Linus. Linus isn't fanatical about free software. He'd like the world to believe that Linux is successful because he's such a great manager, never mind the GPL.
Mozilla and Evolution are good enough. I won't abandon them just because IE and Netscape are freeware. Linus thinks that CVS is not good enough. RMS would have him resist the temptation of BitKeeper freeware, because it lessens the incentive to improve CVS (or replace it with something better). After all, where would Linux be today if its users and developers had been tempted away by non-commercial SCO or freeware Solaris? But Linus isn't fanatical.
That depends on how you're interpreting "everyone's free use." It is definitely possible to license a patent for use only in GPLed software. See, for example, the RTLinux open patent license.
If I had a patent, I'd license it defensively: to people who have no patents and to people who only use patents defensively. In terms of mutual defense, I wouldn't grant a license to patent aggressors. This is similar to the Gilmore patent license someone mentioned in another post.
I'm not going to defend these patents, but keep in mind that the claims are ANDed together, not ORed. Don't read the first claim and exclaim that Red Hat patented reports. It patented a static HTTP server that uses an object cache in an O/S kernel and meets the characteristics of all twelve claims.
The question is, as with all patents: is this a novel, non-obvious (to one skilled in the art) leap from the existing prior art? I doubt it.
I just wanted to follow up on this, as I've been waiting almost three weeks for Red Hat 7.3 patches. The patches still aren't available, but the prepatched 2.4.18-3 kernel (already out of date) is available through the GUI installer, as of this week.
I never said you can't get kernel patches; I said: "you're dependent on NeTraverse" releasing patches. I tried to apply the generic 2.4.18 to Red Hat's 2.4.18-3 and -4. It didn't work, because of a 20 MB Alan Cox patch. Again, not faulting Win4Lin, but pointing out the dependency.
No FUD here. In fact, your counter FUD sounds like PROP: press-release optimism.
If you're opposed to (software) patents, I hope you won't limit free licensing to GPLed software. While it may be difficult to implement, mutual defense is the appropriate patent analog to the GNU GPL.
The intersection of copyright and patent opponents is smaller than either on its own. If you are in both camps, support them separately with copyleft and mutual defense. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, or something like that.
No. Trademarks can be abandoned (i.e., revert to the public domain) if they are not defended against dilution. Patents don't work that way. They can lie in wait for the technology to be more widely used, even if by independent invention. The most public instance of such a "submarine patent" is the GIF patent. Slashdot has also reported on BT's hyperlink patent. Ditto Rambus's SDRAM patents.
The only obstacles to late enforcement of a patent are public opinion and laws against unfair business practices. The latter is mentioned in the Rambus link above.
Going on kind of a tangent, I have to say that I'm disappointed in the dearth of Quake, Unreal, and LithTech games for Linux. The engines are cross platform, yet we see so few licensees make the effort to port their own game code. We've got Unreal Tournament, Quake 2 and 3, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and Kingpin. F.A.K.K.2, Shogo, Sin, and Soldier of Fortune were ported externally.
What about Elite Force, Medal of Honor, Jedi Knight 2 (WineX isn't perfect), Deus Ex, The Operative, etc.? I'm not holding my breath for Elite Force 2, Soldier of Fortune 2, The Operative 2, Deus Ex 2, or Raven Shield. Raven and Ritual, the two top Quake developers, haven't shown much interest in Linux.
That assumes that you have Windows and dual boot. The Windows version doesn't work under WineX, and I don't see TransGaming fixing that any time soon. Even more annoying: for your $70, you can't even play any of the expansion packs.
Linux gaming's time has come and gone, and will come again, eventually. I've been looking forward to Neverwinter Nights, but they'll have to fix the SDK EULA to get my money.
Okay, this is totally off topic, but I just read over at Gamasutra that Max Payne, one of the flagship games for WineX 2.0, was sold to Take-Two Interactive for $34-million dollars.
I use habits learned from Code Complete every day, such as taking the time to choose a good name (no, I'm not talking about Hungarian notation). The single most important point of the book is that people read code, too.
I found Writing Solid Code, another Microsoft Press book, to be less enjoyable. It was, however, worth its price for one C habit I've retained: put the rvalue on the left in equality tests. For example: if( 0 == foo ). Why wait until run time to find that you've accidentally assigned, instead of compared?
As to "junk food" in programming, I prefer to categorize all of that as "rapid prototyping."
I'd just like to respond to the myriad posts that seem to assume that open source development is only done by part-time programmers in their basement who post version 0.0.2 of their foobarnator to Freshmeat. We're talking about about a billion-dollar project to develop software for one country's air traffic control center. Is it so hard to imagine that countries could collaborate on the development of this kind of software? At some point, a plane from the UK will be handed off to French ATC. I'd feel safer knowing that the billion dollars spent on development had gone to world-class programmers, rather than to regional pork barrel.
The "who do you sue" argument is rubbish. Until software engineering lives up to its name, open source development can be considered no worse than the rest of the industry. EULAs on shrink-wrap software and contracts for custom software inevitably disclaim any warranties. If you're an important customer, you can expect a bug fix, but you can't sue for damages.
Well, P.J. Plauger did post on the thread: "The new EDG front end passes all the tests in the Dinkum C++ Proofer." I'd say that's a pretty good start.
Sorry, that's June 2002, currently on the stands.
"Testing C++ Compilers for ISO Language Conformance" (Dr. Dobb's Journal, May 2002). This article introduces a Python framework that uses example code from the standard. Article and partial code available. Compilers include: GCC 3.0, 2.96, 2.95; Borland 5.5; VC++ 6.0.
"C++ Conformance Roundup" (C/C++ User's Journal, April 2001). This article, referenced by the previous article, analyzed results from Dinkumware, Perennial, and Plum Hall. Compilers include: IBM, Sun, Metrowerks, Intel and KAI, MS, GNU, Borland, and Comeau.
It sounds stupid, but retraining can be painful for a "power user." I have a Windows setup that works for me. I put the task bar on top, set to autohide. I rename frequently used Start menu items so I can quickly select them with the keyboard: "1 Windows Explorer," "2 cygwin bash," "3 Word," etc. I frequently use the <Windows>-m shortcut to minimize all windows.
It has taken a while, but I've gotten more comfortable with sawfish under GNOME. When I finally had a weekend to play around, I discovered that the panel doesn't have to be a monstrosity at the bottom of the screen, and I rearranged the applets. I mapped some familiar shortcuts to the Windows key. However, the GNOME menu doesn't appear to support first-character discrimination, making it useless for keyboard navigation.
Despite some effort, I am still more comfortable (I hesitate to use the word "productive") under Windows. Eventually, I'll learn GNOME-isms that I miss under Windows. In fact, I'm already pretty attached to Galeon.
I commend your effort to make the workstations more usable, even if making them more Windows like may have felt like a regression.
How can you argue that TransGaming's proprietary fork is okay, but proceeding with the LGPL is not? You can't have it both ways. WINE is not some corporate charity, so the developers chose a license they're more comfortable with.
TransGaming leveraged a million lines of code, the result of almost ten years of development, in the development of its proprietary WineX product. Now TransGaming wants to trade some of its code for LGPLed code. I can forgive some WINE developers for feeling like TransGaming hasn't made good on its previous trade. Alexandre summarized the WINE sentiment as follows:
That said, if swapping code improves WINE, I'm all for it. In fact, it validates the decision to go LGPL.I use Win4Lin 4.0 with VNET networking. This is much preferable to the WinSock option, although it requires setting up a separate IP address. This may be a probem in an anal-retentive IT environment (like a university). I can browse SourceForge pages in SSL mode with IE 6. The Network control panel shows a "Merge NIC," along with TCP/IP. The Windows session can see Microsoft Networking shares. I can access shares in the Windows session via Samba from the host system.
Win4Lin 4.0 lets you allocate 128 MB to the session, but I've been happy so far with 32 MB (out of 256 MB) on a Celeron 850. That said, I haven't been running very demanding applications.
I'd say you haven't seen Win4Lin at its best (and I clearly haven't seen it at its worst).
How is it FUD to say that Win4Lin customers depend on NeTraverse maintaining patches? If I have a kernel to which their patch doesn't apply cleanly, I sure as hell don't want to try to clean it up.
I wouldn't consider downloading a boot image for windows 98 from a common site exactly jumping through hoops
Was this "common site" a warez site?
the claim that they'll die is also FUD
The viability of Win4Lin is totally dependent on the viability of W9x. DirectX 8.1 (not that you'd run it in Win4Lin) is not supported on Windows 95. Visual Studio .NET is supported on NT only.
We clearly understand Win4Lin's role, and agree that it fills it nicely. By the way, you said there's only a $20 upgrade discount. You should have gotten an offer to upgrade for $50, which is $40 less than retail.
It's definitely a niche product, but it's just the ticket for a Windows refugee for whom WINE doesn't quite cut it. The VNET virtual NIC handles Internet Explorer and Eudora just fine.
One reservation in recommending Win4Lin is that the target market may find installation too difficult. For example, I had to jump through some hoops to make a floppy boot image (I have the non-bootable W98 upgrade CD) for a system without a floppy drive.
Also, you're dependent on NeTraverse keeping the kernel patch up to date. Unless they can make an NT/2K/XP version, Win4Lin will probably die in a year or two. I don't know what kind of R&D NeTraverse has, as this product is basically a port of Merge from SCO to Linux.
Finally, some potential Win4Lin or VMware customers may find that connecting to a second machine with VNC is just as good a solution.
I understand the motivation behind the GNU operating system, and that Linux was the last (but not least) major component thereof. However, I continue to call my Red Hat 7.3 box a Linux system.
By the same token, I think it would appropriate for, say, Debian to deemphasize Linux, and simply call it a GNU system. The distinction is more ideological than technical.
"Linux" is the popular usage. Trying to change it to "GNU/Linux" is counter productive.
The first generation of pen / tablet computers didn't go over so well, because they were too big. I think the wide acceptance of PDAs, combined with the miniaturization demonstrated by the this little VAIO, sets the stage for a second wave of pen computers.
At this size, give me just the screen, or give me two screens that fold up like a book. I could probably write graffiti faster than I could hunt and peck on that keyboard, to say nothing of the mouse.
There is no longer any meaningful difference between .org and .com.
Just check your current URL.