How about it has not happened yet but might and therefore lets watch it so when it starts happening we stop it. If and when they start matching faces to name we stop it. Until then I don't see a problem.
The only interest I have is to have real reporting and not tabloid editorializing masquerading as reporting. I do not work for any retail or advertising firm. I am an unemployed programmer who has some time on my hands this morning.
Followed by "but we will be caught by the Information Commissioner's Office and fined a crap load of money for not disclosing how we use the video so lets not do it".
The problem with slippery slope arguments is that they assume a possibility is an inevitability and that is just not true. Some company might even try to make it happen but there are enough checks and balances, such as the Information Commissioner's Office and Big Brother Watch, that will stop it from happening. I don't see a problem with showing different ads to different people as long as they are not identified as a specific person. Maybe you should turn down your paranoia and look at reality.
In retail demographic profiling is done all the time. How many times to you see a clerk walk up to a 16 year old girl and point out neckties or walk up to a 80 year old man and point out capri pants? Profiling is not necessarily used for discrimination.
This is a "slippery slope argument" and therefore invalid. Just because something nefarious could happen in the future does not mean it will and does not mean it will not be stopped before it happens. Do you really think that within hours of facial recognition being turned on or even proposed that it would not be posted on Slashdot? Even if it passed that hurdle it can be turned off at any time. It is never too late to turn something off.
that the CCTV camera in the corner is trying to find out who they are
That is a sensationalistic quote. There is a huge gap between being identified as "Joe Klovance" and "middle aged white male". All they are trying to do is classify the face not identify it. This is not facial recognition attached to a database of faces. This is no different than a clerk waling up to people in different demographics and pointing out different sales that may interest them. That it is done by computer rather than a person is irrelevant.
The almost 800,000 police officers in the US have to be trained to deal with many different situations; traffic stops, armed robberies, investigations, etc. A security agent can be very well trained in detecting and dealing with security issues. This could include intensive training on profiling. It is the difference between a general participation and a heart surgeon. While they are both doctors the GP is probably not the best one to do heart surgery; just as a beat cop is probably not the best to do profiling.
You need to look up the definitions of homicide, murder and manslaughter. Murder and manslaughter are types of homicide. In many jursdictions like Canada and the UK the offence is under the impaired driving statute.
How do I know race was in the equation? Because I've dealt with people enough to know the difference.
So what? It is not surprising that people given little, no or improper training will use profiling improperly. That does not mean that people could be not be trained to profile properly.
You really need to learn more about modern aircraft. When an aircraft is designed there is a trade off between stability and maneuverability. The more stable something is the less maneuverable it is. Today's aircraft are very unstable and very manuverable. Electronocs allow that becouse they can make the thousands of control inputs per second to keep the aircraft stable. Most modern fighters would fly apart of if the electronics failed even if there were mechanical backups.
By the way, the backup for the visor failing is lift the visor and use the cockpit readouts.
Sorry but your examples do not apply in this situation.The problems are that your examples pertain to police officers who are not trained in profiling, therefore not doing it correctly, applying their own rules to the public and a general situation. Just because something is done wrong without training does not mean it can't be done right with proper training.
He was arrested and hauled to jail for being black in an area where some black person committed a crime.
Is that the whole story? Did he match the general description of the black person who was reported to have commited the crime? height eight, clothing, etc?
But being old and white gets you an apology for murder.
First, murder requires intent. It probably was an accident and not intentional. You are also comparing two different situations "a person matching the description of a suspect" and "a person involved in a vehicle accident". You have no idea if race really came into the equation. Now had an old black man run over people and been charged you would have had a valid comparison.
That happened over 70 years ago. We have learned a lot since then. The Israeli method is not only racial but in how someone acts, what they are carrying, etc. The consequences are different as well. A few extra questions are much different than confiscation of property and being thrown in a concentration camp.
If people can't tell the difference 70 years makes that is their problem.
How would you feel as an American citizen if you were always strip searched every time you boarded a plane,
Profiling does not require strip searching. In the Israeli method it means asking more intense questions. There is a huge difference between "followed more often" and "followed everywhere".
You'd get bitter.
That is because people take profiling too seriously. There is a big difference between "He thinks I am a terrorist because I ham Arab" and "He is checking more closely because I happen to be an Arab and are acting in wars similar to how terrorists have acted in the past".
The thing about profiling is that it allows security to do higher levels of screening on people who meet a profile. Without profiling everyone is subject to that higher screening . Race is also only one aspect of the Israeli method. It also includes how they are acting, what they are carrying, etc. Do you really think thet Israeli airport security has enough manpower to strip search and/or follw every Arab that goes through their airports?
As is WORKING FAMILIES FOR MAYOR MCGINN a shell for the UFCW. And they contributed ten times more than Comcast. It is also difficult to call the "Civic Alliance for a Sound Economy" when the registered name is actually "CIVIC ALLIANCE FOR A SOUND ECONOMY SPONSORED BY THE SEATTLE CHAMBER". It seems pretty clear for me while the union shell is much more opaque.
Fine, that's your opinion. And I and others believe that $10,000 is a heavy donation when total donations are in the $120,000 range.
There are iver $2.5 million being contributed to all campaigns. How about the $100,000 contributed to the McGinn campaign by one union.
Or to lead up to how such is corruption...
Is the union corrupting the incumbent mayor? I am looking for balance. By reporting one contribution from a coproration and not a much larger donation from a union show bias.
There can't be any room for whiny fascists who aren't making any social points, who are just torch-carriers for computers and dictatorships that have failed, whose arguments are entirely logic based.
The reality is somewhere in between.
I personally think profiling would be a good idea but any time it is brought up in America it is shot down.
As part of its focus on this so-called "human factor," Israeli security officers interrogate travelers using racial profiling, singling out those who appear to be Arab based on name or physical appearance. Additionally, all passengers, even those who do not appear to be of Arab descent, are questioned as to why they are traveling to Israel, followed by several general questions about the trip in order to search for inconsistencies. Although numerous civil rights groups have demanded an end to the profiling, Israel maintains that it is both effective and unavoidable. According to Ariel Merari, an Israeli terrorism expert[citation needed], "it would be foolish not to use profiling when everyone knows that most terrorists come from certain ethnic groups. They are likely to be Muslim and young, and the potential threat justifies inconveniencing a certain ethnic group."
So Israel does have checkpoints where people are questioned. They just don't us gadgets like backscatter xrays. They also use profiling which is abhorrent to many Amerucans. If this kind of questioning was tried in the US I doubt the constitution would allow it.
It's time to end security theater and demand real security.
Your solution is???? non-existent. It is very easy to point out problems but much harder to come up with a solution. Having checkpoints is much less dangerous than not having them. They could be faster but doing away with them is not the answer either.
You seem to miss that his average speed was 100Mph. His top speed was 158Mph. That is over twice the 75mph limit. Had he kept his top speed to around 100 it would not be so bad but he didn't.
as there are long stretches of straight road with little to no usage. I wouldn't recommend it from a personal safety standpoint, but if one were to wreck in those areas it'd probably be a one-car accident.
I noticed that you use relative term like "little to no usage" and "probably a one car incident". Put it this way, I would not want to be part of the "little" traffic that is "probably" killed by someone trying to beat a record by doing something unsafe. That he endangered few lives is irrelevant; he endangered some lives other than his own is relevant. I think the biggest issue is fatigue. I don't care who you are but driving for 28 hours on catnaps totaling 40 minutes is unsafe in itself. He endangered everyone on the road during the last five hours of the trip.
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How about it has not happened yet but might and therefore lets watch it so when it starts happening we stop it. If and when they start matching faces to name we stop it. Until then I don't see a problem.
They can not even use their own search function.
The only interest I have is to have real reporting and not tabloid editorializing masquerading as reporting. I do not work for any retail or advertising firm. I am an unemployed programmer who has some time on my hands this morning.
Followed by "but we will be caught by the Information Commissioner's Office and fined a crap load of money for not disclosing how we use the video so lets not do it".
The problem with slippery slope arguments is that they assume a possibility is an inevitability and that is just not true. Some company might even try to make it happen but there are enough checks and balances, such as the Information Commissioner's Office and Big Brother Watch, that will stop it from happening. I don't see a problem with showing different ads to different people as long as they are not identified as a specific person. Maybe you should turn down your paranoia and look at reality.
bad analogy as the Patriot Act is a law not a store policy.
is fiction.
In retail demographic profiling is done all the time. How many times to you see a clerk walk up to a 16 year old girl and point out neckties or walk up to a 80 year old man and point out capri pants? Profiling is not necessarily used for discrimination.
Yeah it probably crossed their mind right before "but people will not accept that so we won't do it".
This is a "slippery slope argument" and therefore invalid. Just because something nefarious could happen in the future does not mean it will and does not mean it will not be stopped before it happens. Do you really think that within hours of facial recognition being turned on or even proposed that it would not be posted on Slashdot? Even if it passed that hurdle it can be turned off at any time. It is never too late to turn something off.
that the CCTV camera in the corner is trying to find out who they are
That is a sensationalistic quote. There is a huge gap between being identified as "Joe Klovance" and "middle aged white male". All they are trying to do is classify the face not identify it. This is not facial recognition attached to a database of faces. This is no different than a clerk waling up to people in different demographics and pointing out different sales that may interest them. That it is done by computer rather than a person is irrelevant.
The almost 800,000 police officers in the US have to be trained to deal with many different situations; traffic stops, armed robberies, investigations, etc. A security agent can be very well trained in detecting and dealing with security issues. This could include intensive training on profiling. It is the difference between a general participation and a heart surgeon. While they are both doctors the GP is probably not the best one to do heart surgery; just as a beat cop is probably not the best to do profiling.
You need to look up the definitions of homicide, murder and manslaughter. Murder and manslaughter are types of homicide. In many jursdictions like Canada and the UK the offence is under the impaired driving statute.
How do I know race was in the equation? Because I've dealt with people enough to know the difference.
So what? It is not surprising that people given little, no or improper training will use profiling improperly. That does not mean that people could be not be trained to profile properly.
You really need to learn more about modern aircraft. When an aircraft is designed there is a trade off between stability and maneuverability. The more stable something is the less maneuverable it is. Today's aircraft are very unstable and very manuverable. Electronocs allow that becouse they can make the thousands of control inputs per second to keep the aircraft stable. Most modern fighters would fly apart of if the electronics failed even if there were mechanical backups.
By the way, the backup for the visor failing is lift the visor and use the cockpit readouts.
Sorry but your examples do not apply in this situation.The problems are that your examples pertain to police officers who are not trained in profiling, therefore not doing it correctly, applying their own rules to the public and a general situation. Just because something is done wrong without training does not mean it can't be done right with proper training.
He was arrested and hauled to jail for being black in an area where some black person committed a crime.
Is that the whole story? Did he match the general description of the black person who was reported to have commited the crime? height eight, clothing, etc?
But being old and white gets you an apology for murder.
First, murder requires intent. It probably was an accident and not intentional. You are also comparing two different situations "a person matching the description of a suspect" and "a person involved in a vehicle accident". You have no idea if race really came into the equation. Now had an old black man run over people and been charged you would have had a valid comparison.
That happened over 70 years ago. We have learned a lot since then. The Israeli method is not only racial but in how someone acts, what they are carrying, etc. The consequences are different as well. A few extra questions are much different than confiscation of property and being thrown in a concentration camp.
If people can't tell the difference 70 years makes that is their problem.
How would you feel as an American citizen if you were always strip searched every time you boarded a plane,
Profiling does not require strip searching. In the Israeli method it means asking more intense questions. There is a huge difference between "followed more often" and "followed everywhere".
You'd get bitter.
That is because people take profiling too seriously. There is a big difference between "He thinks I am a terrorist because I ham Arab" and "He is checking more closely because I happen to be an Arab and are acting in wars similar to how terrorists have acted in the past".
The thing about profiling is that it allows security to do higher levels of screening on people who meet a profile. Without profiling everyone is subject to that higher screening . Race is also only one aspect of the Israeli method. It also includes how they are acting, what they are carrying, etc. Do you really think thet Israeli airport security has enough manpower to strip search and/or follw every Arab that goes through their airports?
As is WORKING FAMILIES FOR MAYOR MCGINN a shell for the UFCW. And they contributed ten times more than Comcast. It is also difficult to call the "Civic Alliance for a Sound Economy" when the registered name is actually "CIVIC ALLIANCE FOR A SOUND ECONOMY SPONSORED BY THE SEATTLE CHAMBER". It seems pretty clear for me while the union shell is much more opaque.
Fine, that's your opinion. And I and others believe that $10,000 is a heavy donation when total donations are in the $120,000 range.
There are iver $2.5 million being contributed to all campaigns. How about the $100,000 contributed to the McGinn campaign by one union.
Or to lead up to how such is corruption...
Is the union corrupting the incumbent mayor? I am looking for balance. By reporting one contribution from a coproration and not a much larger donation from a union show bias.
Did you click on the site I linked. In Washington state there is a where all contributions and expenditures must be reported.
There can't be any room for whiny fascists who aren't making any social points, who are just torch-carriers for computers and dictatorships that have failed, whose arguments are entirely logic based.
The reality is somewhere in between.
I personally think profiling would be a good idea but any time it is brought up in America it is shot down.
You need to do a little research;
As part of its focus on this so-called "human factor," Israeli security officers interrogate travelers using racial profiling, singling out those who appear to be Arab based on name or physical appearance. Additionally, all passengers, even those who do not appear to be of Arab descent, are questioned as to why they are traveling to Israel, followed by several general questions about the trip in order to search for inconsistencies. Although numerous civil rights groups have demanded an end to the profiling, Israel maintains that it is both effective and unavoidable. According to Ariel Merari, an Israeli terrorism expert[citation needed], "it would be foolish not to use profiling when everyone knows that most terrorists come from certain ethnic groups. They are likely to be Muslim and young, and the potential threat justifies inconveniencing a certain ethnic group."
So Israel does have checkpoints where people are questioned. They just don't us gadgets like backscatter xrays. They also use profiling which is abhorrent to many Amerucans. If this kind of questioning was tried in the US I doubt the constitution would allow it.
He was shot and is in critical condition. Happy?
It's time to end security theater and demand real security.
Your solution is???? non-existent. It is very easy to point out problems but much harder to come up with a solution. Having checkpoints is much less dangerous than not having them. They could be faster but doing away with them is not the answer either.
You seem to miss that his average speed was 100Mph. His top speed was 158Mph. That is over twice the 75mph limit. Had he kept his top speed to around 100 it would not be so bad but he didn't.
as there are long stretches of straight road with little to no usage. I wouldn't recommend it from a personal safety standpoint, but if one were to wreck in those areas it'd probably be a one-car accident.
I noticed that you use relative term like "little to no usage" and "probably a one car incident". Put it this way, I would not want to be part of the "little" traffic that is "probably" killed by someone trying to beat a record by doing something unsafe. That he endangered few lives is irrelevant; he endangered some lives other than his own is relevant. I think the biggest issue is fatigue. I don't care who you are but driving for 28 hours on catnaps totaling 40 minutes is unsafe in itself. He endangered everyone on the road during the last five hours of the trip.