Yeah, the author of the original story has a point. Digital Convergence is in violation of postal codes. That they didn't research this out is yet more proof that the company is made up of blithering idiots.
However, I doubt the sincerity of the motives. Aw, mean old Digital Convergence got mad when someone bypassed their lame software, discovered how easy it is to write a driver, and DC decided to fight back.
And now people are trying to annoy them out of existence.
Really, what's next? Are we going to see people going dumpster-diving outside their offices looking for some obscure tax-law violation that exactly three tax-law-savvy lawyers are aware of? Come on.
>If they hadn't tried to screw people, maybe
>people wouldn't be upset.
It's not like they fired the first shot.
>But it's not just illegal to send unsolicited
>gifts and then trying to tie conditions to use,
>it's unethical too, and that pisses us off. It's
>good to see a lack of complacency.
Here's a question: did anyone go to Digital Convergence beforehand, *before* notifying the authorities? That's what pisses me off. No warning. Just go straight to the authorities. They may not have even been aware that they were in violation.
Okay, here's the score so far: a community of people have completely bypassed their controls over their product, and, in response to their fighting back, said community is going to be digging into postal regulations, law books, etc. to do *anything* to "get back" because they "pissed us off." Mature, man, real mature. It's like the regulations wars people have in subdivisions: neighbor looks at you funny, call the building inspector. Neighbor sics inspector on you. You sick inspector back on them. Before you know it, both of you are broke because you've had to spend dough on getting "up to code".
Yeah, it's sad to see that web journalism has gone the way of yellow journalism. Anything to sell eyeballs.
Now, to go offtopic.:^) Here's a few suggestions you could make to the folks at Microsoft then next time they idly suggest you move over to one of their POS OS's.
1.) Re-open the XENIX vault.
2.) Help get XF86 going on it.
3.) Help with the WINE port.
a.) If not WINE, then at least their API.
I think that WINE has effectively proven itself to be a proof-of-concept--it can be done. The whole of NT could be made obsolete by sometime next year if only Microsoft would get off their duffs, admit that BillG was a probably little tipsy when he made the demand that they write a better UNIX than UNIX;^) and get back in the ring.
Precicely what's so irritating when someone goes off on some rant stating "How is this news?" 9 times out of 10 it's news to me, and I'm interested. Yowza.
Hey, I've been in jobs where I thought my boss was a moron, but I knew better than to walk up to the boss and say, "Hey, I think you're a fucking moron."
Sure, Microsoft's official position doesn't speak for every employee (although I hear they own all their employees' ideas...not a joke this time.) The article never lists what employees they are...it could be Bill & Steve, or it could be Cletus the Idiot Janitor. That part we don't know. Slashdot, for me, is not a job. It's what I read/respond to when I'm loafing (a lot lately.) In a job, if your employer says "no Linux; we're an NT house" you say "yes sir/maam" or you say "bye". That's how it is, unless you can talk the boss into switching.
BTW, someone else posted something about the Hotmail/BSD thing...they've switched back and forth for quite a while now. Just more proof that not every OS is cut out for every job. Keep Microsoft's OS on the isolated PC; leave the big boys to do the networking.
Seriously, you're not the only person who reads Slashdot. Therefore, your opinion isn't the only one that matters. Now, the opinion might be overwhelmingly that people don't care. But there are those that do.
Me? I took the story as a humor piece. You want to take it as a whine? Sure, but the pot's calling the kettle black, don't you think?
Yeah, another nice thing about DOS was that, instead of dumping core, merely locked up solid if a program had a buffer overrun. I wish we could go back to *that.*
There's talk of a possible hack of Bonobo to integrate DCOP into the system. This was on the GNOME developers' news site.
There isn't an object-sharing standard for UNIX machines. There isn't! The KDE team (as I gathered; again, I'm relying on remembered information from *their* developer's news site) they were working with CORBA, realized how horrid it was, and decided to work up something that was a bit more sensible (to their way of thinking.) Nearly everything about their system was already there; it's based on libICE, which is already a part of X11. It's fast. It doesn't take up a lot of overhead.
Quite frankly, the GNOME team was saved by Red Hat. Some of their guys (this is apparently while Raster was at RH; again...well, you've read my disclaimer twice.:^) got to work writing their *own* implementation of CORBA, called ORBit.
Wait, isn't CORBA some kind of standard? Yes and no; and I think this is the dirty little secret. At the time, CORBA was being touted as the acronym of the week. A nice little object-sharing mechanism that wasn't COM. So GNOME used it. What started out as a nice, lighter alternative to KDE is now an alternative to KDE that's an extreme memory hog. Thanks, guys.
There's no one standard desktop. The standards that KDE and GNOME introduce are *open* which means it's possible to write/hack your own desktop management system without using the bloat crap. If you need the bloat crap, use KDE/GNOME/whatever. Personally, I'm holding out great hope for Rasterman's grand vision for E (integrating EFM). My great fear is that Raster/Mandrake will decide to do a major rewrite (again) of E and the code won't be ready till 2002/2003.:^( Please, God, grant them the ability to think clearly, and, please, God, grant Raster the ability to spell.;^)
/*
I think these are important questions to ask. Whenever anyone here tries to raise the issue of "What went wrong with Mozilla?" it's always
met with angry accusations of trolling and claims that the project is doing great, just great! especially if you've tried the last couple of nightly
builds which are much better than those of a few days ago.
*/
Seems like the Mozilla project is trying to one-up Emacs or something; I mean, it's a *web browser.* I doubt the average user will even care that it's able to facilitate writing cross-platform software. Many won't use the IRC function. Many will use some other mail reader & newsreader, which means that that huge open sore of code taking up memory is doing just that: taking up memory.
Mozilla could have been the greatest browser to date. Instead, it's an "everything-but-the-kitchen-sink" browser that doesn't do anything perfectly, but half-asses a lot of stuff really well.
I'm not trolling for hotheads. I'm just being brutally honest. I'm fairly confident that there are a lot of folks out there that feel like I do, that what they want is a freakin' Web browser that lets them browse the Web, and browse it well. I had high hopes that the Mozilla project would do a lot of fat-trimming; instead, it added neato-schmeato features like skins (ooh, ahh.) Instead of building on the platform-neutral framework that Mozilla already had, they built their own platform-neutral toolkit. (Gee, thanks.) It's why people such as myself are glad they got some things completely right, like allowing the HTML renderer to be embedded in other software. That way, projects like Galeon have a chance of saving the browser. Galeon will be great as soon as it picks up JavaScript & a coupla other goodies; I'd be using it right now, but I need some other features. No, I haven't been helping, for which I feel guilty.:^( I simply don't have the kind of networking experience necessary for such an undertaking.
Or so you're telling me...I've heard this argument from the KDE camp ever since the Netscape code release was announced. The KDE camp doesn't want to use Netscape's code; they feel like having a different HTML engine is actually a good idea (can't say I disagree.) OTOH, there's nothing preventing Corel from attempting to replace the rendering engine with Gecko for their own distro. Mo' power to 'em.
Well...talk to the Netscape people; I doubt that the Corel people can do much more than release bugfixes and possibly help add (God forbid) or delete (please) features.
Galeon's actually not that bad to build...although only comparatively to other Gnome apps.:^) The only thing that has saved the GNOME project's ass is the fact that so many folks have worked so hard at building packages for the different distros. I shudder to think of building GNOME from source ever again.:^) OTOH, I just built KDE 1.93 last week; it's pretty sweet.:^)
The most amazing thing about the Slashdot commenting system (at least, if you don't let the system filter anything out) is that most of the comments read like this:
This was on [name that site] last week!
How is this news?
You guys suck.
You call this new news?
What the hell?
Natalie Portman says it's old news!
I'm a Mac user and I resent the Linux bias!
I'm a Windows user and I resnet the Linux bias!
I'm a BeOS user and I resent the Linux bias!
I'm a *BSD user and I resent the Linux bias!
I'm not a Linux user so how is this news?
I knew this already so therefore it's not news to anyone.
I hate you guys now that you're corporate.
I'll just go post Emily Dickinson poems now.
I think this story is lame. How is it news then?
and on and on and on...*sighs* the hostility, at least in my case, is listening to a bunch of snot-nosed brats complain that, because *they* don't find a story newsworthy, then it shouldn't matter to *me.* Or to anyone else for that matter. If you don't know yet, then, hell, I guess you don't deserve to know.
As far as the Linux bias goes, there's ways of filtering the crap out if you sign up for an account. It's easy.
>Of course, it will help for hugeass files that
>you don't want to pull over a slow connection.
Precisely; this is great for those folks who want/need the source, don't particularly care if it's *the* latest & greatest, and don't mind downloading much smaller patches over said small connection.
I like places like cheap*bytes for this reason; I can, if I'm way behind on something, get a CD with the source I want and just run a couple of (hopefully small) patches. But that's just me.:^)
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Yeah, and when I bought my Voodoo3, there was no Glide support for Linux. Strange; Glide works fine now. I guess that's becaue they fixed it.:^P
The one sensible post in the whole lot. Heck, on my machine, if I start Netscape, kill it, and start it again, it re-loads all entirely from memory. Wow.:^)
Tips for the original "Ask Slashdot" poster:
strip your binaries (man strip)
if you can stand to do so, run a lighter WM if you use X (such as, instead of running KDE or GNOME/Sawfish, use Window Maker with a hacked kde2wm.pl to allow the new KDE format/GNOME format.)
although I don't know if this helps, upx at least frees space on your HD and doesn't have a huge overhead (they claim that there's no overhead, but, come on:^)
If you're a real gearhead, and the boottime on your Linux box drives you nuts, try replacing the SysV-style init with the Slackware-style init (I won't walk you through this; try looking at linux.com., I posted some instructions there.)
I don't remember the command, but it's possible to tune the performance of your IDE drive through Linux.
Ah, I think it's because I like to flame, flame, flame and don't like to meta-moderate, and even when I do, I'm honest.:^) (NOTE: meta-moderating anything as "unfair" knocks your karma down.)
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Truth is most linux most linux distros are not 100% compatible. Whereas if you use FreeBSD there is only one FreeBSD to use. And most of
the BSD's share code and its fairly portable between them.
*/
Oh, come on. That's like me saying, "Gee, when you pick up a CD by the band Metallica, they don't always sound the same. But Pink Floyd's The Wall, now there's a CD that sounds the same no matter where you pick it up!" You're comparing distros built around the Linux kernel to a specific BSD distribution.
That's total bullshit.
I can be assured that, if I build a package for a Linux-Mandrake box on my Linux-Mandrake box, I won't have to port it to someone else's box, unless the other box has been tweeked to the extereme. But here's the kicker: the same is true of FreeBSD. FreeBSD being standardized has to rely on the same thing that, say, a Linux-Mandrake or Debian box has to rely on: it has to rely on the end user leaving their system alone.
>I'm talking about non-GNU tools here.
This is the second or third time I've tried to coerce you into actually *naming* a tool. Please. My only beef was with the fact that I was trying to build the set of BSD tools that come with FreeBSD as a replacement for the GNU tools. It's a pain, but I'm sure it can be done. It's just going to be a matter of finding out what the quirks are in libbsd.a, that's all. I've been told that I should look to either NetBSD or OpenBSD for more portable code. Care to comment?:^)
Yeah...I agree that the slick look-n-feel is a poor indicator of usefulness. However, the real deal is that this is a *BSD box with a hopped-up OpenStep...while I've never used OpenStep, I know oh-so-many people who rave about it that I just have to see what all the hubbub is about.
OTOH, I don't look forward to the day when I'm working away at a machine and, say, a bad PDF causes me to have to reboot.:^( I seem to recall that the folks who wrote OmniWeb actually wrote a PostScript viewer that didn't use Display PostScript because of this sort of problem on NeXT machines. Anyone care to comment on this?
BTW before you say "what good are PDFs?" you'll just expose yourself as a moron for doing so. PDFs are used in the printing business to ensure portability between different platforms/packages. The last newspaper I worked at actually took to sending out jobs to other printers exclusively in PDF because using the PDFs elsewhere was so brainless:
1. Start QuarkXPress 4
2. Pull in PDF as image
3. You're done; no loading in of fonts/other images necessary. Check the colors & send it to the imagesetter!:^)
'Nuff said...nah, I'll say more.:^) That's absolutely true. On my home machine, I've installed both Win98 and Linux-Mandrake (for that matter, also BeOS 5 PE, SuSE, Slackware, RH...) and I've gotta tell you that Linux-Mandrake was by far the easier install. I've had a number of people simply say, "I don't understand why you run that Linux crap; Windows is so much easier." No. It's easier to them because they unpacked their machine and it worked, like a toaster.
On another note, I've had a few people rant to me about how bad Linux "sucked" because their scanner didn't work or their weird soundcard didn't work. Hell, it's all PnP; why wouldn't it work in Linux?
Support, man, hardware support.
Why is hardware support so bad under Linux? Thank Microsoft. They're the ones that pushed for companies to release standard drivers instead of documentation. Now, instead of companies releasing program info, we have companies that release drivers and, if you want hardware info, oft times they want an NDA signed/agreed to. And we've seen a proliferation in the number of different chipsets/instruction sets. Remember when printers were ProPrinter, Epson, or PCL compatible? Or video cards were compatible with whatever IBM/Microsoft were touting as the latest-greatest standard?
*sighs* man, I'd love to see a tech manual for my HP DeskJet. Or, for that matter, my parallel-port cheapo scanner.
>How many windows users know how to partition, and
>format a hdd, then install an OS on it? Not many.
Ah, but it's worse than that. There are users that feel like something's gone wrong if, say, their kid changes the background image in Windows. Once they decide to change it back, they have no idea! My wife still doesn't understand the Windoze taskbar. For that matter, I was trying to help her through something, and I asked her to minimize the window that was in focus. Minimize? God, you would have thought I asked her to produce final results for the Human Genome Project. This from a woman who is light-years ahead of me in music theory. I've tried to get her to go through the nice little Win98 manual that comes with Windows (it's true! the book is good for something other than the serial number!) and she won't do it; it's too confusing. Confusing, yeah, like Curious George is confusing. Heh.
Seriously, WTF were you thinking? Personally, I don't read MacSlash. I'm not a Mac luser (at least, not right now; once the semester is over and I go back to the papers, it's all Mac, baby!) but I find this sort of story interesting. MacOS X is basically a BSD box with a technologically-updated OpenStep. While I don't own one, I know a few folks who were fortunate/smart enough to pick up an old NeXT box and love the things to death. Regardless of what you think of, say, Display PostScript (now Display PDF) or Objective C, the old NeXT boxes rock. If the new OS X boxes come even close...oh, baby.
So shove off. If you don't like the story, you can filter this kind of crap out. Don't bitch about it. Your opinion isn't the only opinion that counts. Neither is mine, for that matter. But it's a simple matter for you to simply ignore the story.
the Be kernel is the Be kernel, not BSD. It's very UNIX-like in the way it works. Saying that Be has a BSD kernel is like saying my Linux-Mandrake kernel...I mean, it's very *nix-like.
Let me know when they have file permissions nailed down in BeOS, wouldya?
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Yeah, the author of the original story has a point. Digital Convergence is in violation of postal codes. That they didn't research this out is yet more proof that the company is made up of blithering idiots.
However, I doubt the sincerity of the motives. Aw, mean old Digital Convergence got mad when someone bypassed their lame software, discovered how easy it is to write a driver, and DC decided to fight back.
And now people are trying to annoy them out of existence.
Really, what's next? Are we going to see people going dumpster-diving outside their offices looking for some obscure tax-law violation that exactly three tax-law-savvy lawyers are aware of? Come on.
>If they hadn't tried to screw people, maybe
>people wouldn't be upset.
It's not like they fired the first shot.
>But it's not just illegal to send unsolicited
>gifts and then trying to tie conditions to use,
>it's unethical too, and that pisses us off. It's
>good to see a lack of complacency.
Here's a question: did anyone go to Digital Convergence beforehand, *before* notifying the authorities? That's what pisses me off. No warning. Just go straight to the authorities. They may not have even been aware that they were in violation.
Okay, here's the score so far: a community of people have completely bypassed their controls over their product, and, in response to their fighting back, said community is going to be digging into postal regulations, law books, etc. to do *anything* to "get back" because they "pissed us off." Mature, man, real mature. It's like the regulations wars people have in subdivisions: neighbor looks at you funny, call the building inspector. Neighbor sics inspector on you. You sick inspector back on them. Before you know it, both of you are broke because you've had to spend dough on getting "up to code".
I'm gonna go puke now.
Yeah, it's sad to see that web journalism has gone the way of yellow journalism. Anything to sell eyeballs.
:^) Here's a few suggestions you could make to the folks at Microsoft then next time they idly suggest you move over to one of their POS OS's.
;^) and get back in the ring.
Now, to go offtopic.
1.) Re-open the XENIX vault.
2.) Help get XF86 going on it.
3.) Help with the WINE port.
a.) If not WINE, then at least their API.
I think that WINE has effectively proven itself to be a proof-of-concept--it can be done. The whole of NT could be made obsolete by sometime next year if only Microsoft would get off their duffs, admit that BillG was a probably little tipsy when he made the demand that they write a better UNIX than UNIX
Thing is, I think it'd sell millions of copies.
Precicely what's so irritating when someone goes off on some rant stating "How is this news?" 9 times out of 10 it's news to me, and I'm interested. Yowza.
Hey, I've been in jobs where I thought my boss was a moron, but I knew better than to walk up to the boss and say, "Hey, I think you're a fucking moron."
Sure, Microsoft's official position doesn't speak for every employee (although I hear they own all their employees' ideas...not a joke this time.) The article never lists what employees they are...it could be Bill & Steve, or it could be Cletus the Idiot Janitor. That part we don't know. Slashdot, for me, is not a job. It's what I read/respond to when I'm loafing (a lot lately.) In a job, if your employer says "no Linux; we're an NT house" you say "yes sir/maam" or you say "bye". That's how it is, unless you can talk the boss into switching.
BTW, someone else posted something about the Hotmail/BSD thing...they've switched back and forth for quite a while now. Just more proof that not every OS is cut out for every job. Keep Microsoft's OS on the isolated PC; leave the big boys to do the networking.
Matters to me. :^)
Seriously, you're not the only person who reads Slashdot. Therefore, your opinion isn't the only one that matters. Now, the opinion might be overwhelmingly that people don't care. But there are those that do.
Me? I took the story as a humor piece. You want to take it as a whine? Sure, but the pot's calling the kettle black, don't you think?
Maybe it's because parents don't like adults fucking their kids.
Yeah, another nice thing about DOS was that, instead of dumping core, merely locked up solid if a program had a buffer overrun. I wish we could go back to *that.*
Hrm...betcha if we could find something that'd been marked with SMDI, and something unmarked, we could find that slippery little bastard. :^)
Aw, c'mon.
:^) got to work writing their *own* implementation of CORBA, called ORBit.
There's talk of a possible hack of Bonobo to integrate DCOP into the system. This was on the GNOME developers' news site.
There isn't an object-sharing standard for UNIX machines. There isn't! The KDE team (as I gathered; again, I'm relying on remembered information from *their* developer's news site) they were working with CORBA, realized how horrid it was, and decided to work up something that was a bit more sensible (to their way of thinking.) Nearly everything about their system was already there; it's based on libICE, which is already a part of X11. It's fast. It doesn't take up a lot of overhead.
Quite frankly, the GNOME team was saved by Red Hat. Some of their guys (this is apparently while Raster was at RH; again...well, you've read my disclaimer twice.
Wait, isn't CORBA some kind of standard? Yes and no; and I think this is the dirty little secret. At the time, CORBA was being touted as the acronym of the week. A nice little object-sharing mechanism that wasn't COM. So GNOME used it. What started out as a nice, lighter alternative to KDE is now an alternative to KDE that's an extreme memory hog. Thanks, guys.
There's no one standard desktop. The standards that KDE and GNOME introduce are *open* which means it's possible to write/hack your own desktop management system without using the bloat crap. If you need the bloat crap, use KDE/GNOME/whatever. Personally, I'm holding out great hope for Rasterman's grand vision for E (integrating EFM). My great fear is that Raster/Mandrake will decide to do a major rewrite (again) of E and the code won't be ready till 2002/2003. :^( Please, God, grant them the ability to think clearly, and, please, God, grant Raster the ability to spell. ;^)
/*
:^( I simply don't have the kind of networking experience necessary for such an undertaking.
I think these are important questions to ask. Whenever anyone here tries to raise the issue of "What went wrong with Mozilla?" it's always
met with angry accusations of trolling and claims that the project is doing great, just great! especially if you've tried the last couple of nightly
builds which are much better than those of a few days ago.
*/
Seems like the Mozilla project is trying to one-up Emacs or something; I mean, it's a *web browser.* I doubt the average user will even care that it's able to facilitate writing cross-platform software. Many won't use the IRC function. Many will use some other mail reader & newsreader, which means that that huge open sore of code taking up memory is doing just that: taking up memory.
Mozilla could have been the greatest browser to date. Instead, it's an "everything-but-the-kitchen-sink" browser that doesn't do anything perfectly, but half-asses a lot of stuff really well.
I'm not trolling for hotheads. I'm just being brutally honest. I'm fairly confident that there are a lot of folks out there that feel like I do, that what they want is a freakin' Web browser that lets them browse the Web, and browse it well. I had high hopes that the Mozilla project would do a lot of fat-trimming; instead, it added neato-schmeato features like skins (ooh, ahh.) Instead of building on the platform-neutral framework that Mozilla already had, they built their own platform-neutral toolkit. (Gee, thanks.) It's why people such as myself are glad they got some things completely right, like allowing the HTML renderer to be embedded in other software. That way, projects like Galeon have a chance of saving the browser. Galeon will be great as soon as it picks up JavaScript & a coupla other goodies; I'd be using it right now, but I need some other features. No, I haven't been helping, for which I feel guilty.
Or so you're telling me...I've heard this argument from the KDE camp ever since the Netscape code release was announced. The KDE camp doesn't want to use Netscape's code; they feel like having a different HTML engine is actually a good idea (can't say I disagree.) OTOH, there's nothing preventing Corel from attempting to replace the rendering engine with Gecko for their own distro. Mo' power to 'em.
Well...talk to the Netscape people; I doubt that the Corel people can do much more than release bugfixes and possibly help add (God forbid) or delete (please) features.
:^) The only thing that has saved the GNOME project's ass is the fact that so many folks have worked so hard at building packages for the different distros. I shudder to think of building GNOME from source ever again. :^) OTOH, I just built KDE 1.93 last week; it's pretty sweet. :^)
Galeon's actually not that bad to build...although only comparatively to other Gnome apps.
The most amazing thing about the Slashdot commenting system (at least, if you don't let the system filter anything out) is that most of the comments read like this:
This was on [name that site] last week!
How is this news?
You guys suck.
You call this new news?
What the hell?
Natalie Portman says it's old news!
I'm a Mac user and I resent the Linux bias!
I'm a Windows user and I resnet the Linux bias!
I'm a BeOS user and I resent the Linux bias!
I'm a *BSD user and I resent the Linux bias!
I'm not a Linux user so how is this news?
I knew this already so therefore it's not news to anyone.
I hate you guys now that you're corporate.
I'll just go post Emily Dickinson poems now.
I think this story is lame. How is it news then?
and on and on and on...*sighs* the hostility, at least in my case, is listening to a bunch of snot-nosed brats complain that, because *they* don't find a story newsworthy, then it shouldn't matter to *me.* Or to anyone else for that matter. If you don't know yet, then, hell, I guess you don't deserve to know.
As far as the Linux bias goes, there's ways of filtering the crap out if you sign up for an account. It's easy.
>entire Voodoo series lacks dot product bump
:^)
>mapping, and in DOOM3, this will be used
Thanks; I'll have nightmares about matrix manipulation all night now. Thanks a lot.
>Of course, it will help for hugeass files that
:^)
>you don't want to pull over a slow connection.
Precisely; this is great for those folks who want/need the source, don't particularly care if it's *the* latest & greatest, and don't mind downloading much smaller patches over said small connection.
I like places like cheap*bytes for this reason; I can, if I'm way behind on something, get a CD with the source I want and just run a couple of (hopefully small) patches. But that's just me.
Yeah, and when I bought my Voodoo3, there was no Glide support for Linux. Strange; Glide works fine now. I guess that's becaue they fixed it. :^P
The one sensible post in the whole lot. Heck, on my machine, if I start Netscape, kill it, and start it again, it re-loads all entirely from memory. Wow. :^)
:^)
Tips for the original "Ask Slashdot" poster:
strip your binaries (man strip)
if you can stand to do so, run a lighter WM if you use X (such as, instead of running KDE or GNOME/Sawfish, use Window Maker with a hacked kde2wm.pl to allow the new KDE format/GNOME format.)
although I don't know if this helps, upx at least frees space on your HD and doesn't have a huge overhead (they claim that there's no overhead, but, come on
If you're a real gearhead, and the boottime on your Linux box drives you nuts, try replacing the SysV-style init with the Slackware-style init (I won't walk you through this; try looking at linux.com., I posted some instructions there.)
I don't remember the command, but it's possible to tune the performance of your IDE drive through Linux.
Ah, I think it's because I like to flame, flame, flame and don't like to meta-moderate, and even when I do, I'm honest. :^) (NOTE: meta-moderating anything as "unfair" knocks your karma down.)
/*
:^)
Truth is most linux most linux distros are not 100% compatible. Whereas if you use FreeBSD there is only one FreeBSD to use. And most of
the BSD's share code and its fairly portable between them.
*/
Oh, come on. That's like me saying, "Gee, when you pick up a CD by the band Metallica, they don't always sound the same. But Pink Floyd's The Wall, now there's a CD that sounds the same no matter where you pick it up!" You're comparing distros built around the Linux kernel to a specific BSD distribution.
That's total bullshit.
I can be assured that, if I build a package for a Linux-Mandrake box on my Linux-Mandrake box, I won't have to port it to someone else's box, unless the other box has been tweeked to the extereme. But here's the kicker: the same is true of FreeBSD. FreeBSD being standardized has to rely on the same thing that, say, a Linux-Mandrake or Debian box has to rely on: it has to rely on the end user leaving their system alone.
>I'm talking about non-GNU tools here.
This is the second or third time I've tried to coerce you into actually *naming* a tool. Please. My only beef was with the fact that I was trying to build the set of BSD tools that come with FreeBSD as a replacement for the GNU tools. It's a pain, but I'm sure it can be done. It's just going to be a matter of finding out what the quirks are in libbsd.a, that's all. I've been told that I should look to either NetBSD or OpenBSD for more portable code. Care to comment?
Yeah...I agree that the slick look-n-feel is a poor indicator of usefulness. However, the real deal is that this is a *BSD box with a hopped-up OpenStep...while I've never used OpenStep, I know oh-so-many people who rave about it that I just have to see what all the hubbub is about.
:^( I seem to recall that the folks who wrote OmniWeb actually wrote a PostScript viewer that didn't use Display PostScript because of this sort of problem on NeXT machines. Anyone care to comment on this?
:^)
OTOH, I don't look forward to the day when I'm working away at a machine and, say, a bad PDF causes me to have to reboot.
BTW before you say "what good are PDFs?" you'll just expose yourself as a moron for doing so. PDFs are used in the printing business to ensure portability between different platforms/packages. The last newspaper I worked at actually took to sending out jobs to other printers exclusively in PDF because using the PDFs elsewhere was so brainless:
1. Start QuarkXPress 4
2. Pull in PDF as image
3. You're done; no loading in of fonts/other images necessary. Check the colors & send it to the imagesetter!
'Nuff said...nah, I'll say more. :^) That's absolutely true. On my home machine, I've installed both Win98 and Linux-Mandrake (for that matter, also BeOS 5 PE, SuSE, Slackware, RH...) and I've gotta tell you that Linux-Mandrake was by far the easier install. I've had a number of people simply say, "I don't understand why you run that Linux crap; Windows is so much easier." No. It's easier to them because they unpacked their machine and it worked, like a toaster.
On another note, I've had a few people rant to me about how bad Linux "sucked" because their scanner didn't work or their weird soundcard didn't work. Hell, it's all PnP; why wouldn't it work in Linux?
Support, man, hardware support.
Why is hardware support so bad under Linux? Thank Microsoft. They're the ones that pushed for companies to release standard drivers instead of documentation. Now, instead of companies releasing program info, we have companies that release drivers and, if you want hardware info, oft times they want an NDA signed/agreed to. And we've seen a proliferation in the number of different chipsets/instruction sets. Remember when printers were ProPrinter, Epson, or PCL compatible? Or video cards were compatible with whatever IBM/Microsoft were touting as the latest-greatest standard?
*sighs* man, I'd love to see a tech manual for my HP DeskJet. Or, for that matter, my parallel-port cheapo scanner.
>How many windows users know how to partition, and
>format a hdd, then install an OS on it? Not many.
Ah, but it's worse than that. There are users that feel like something's gone wrong if, say, their kid changes the background image in Windows. Once they decide to change it back, they have no idea! My wife still doesn't understand the Windoze taskbar. For that matter, I was trying to help her through something, and I asked her to minimize the window that was in focus. Minimize? God, you would have thought I asked her to produce final results for the Human Genome Project. This from a woman who is light-years ahead of me in music theory. I've tried to get her to go through the nice little Win98 manual that comes with Windows (it's true! the book is good for something other than the serial number!) and she won't do it; it's too confusing. Confusing, yeah, like Curious George is confusing. Heh.
>Of course! Everyone needs a G4 cube to prop their
>feet up on while working on their Wintel boxen.
Obviously you've never worked in the print business. Or held a creative job in your life.
People like you.
Seriously, WTF were you thinking? Personally, I don't read MacSlash. I'm not a Mac luser (at least, not right now; once the semester is over and I go back to the papers, it's all Mac, baby!) but I find this sort of story interesting. MacOS X is basically a BSD box with a technologically-updated OpenStep. While I don't own one, I know a few folks who were fortunate/smart enough to pick up an old NeXT box and love the things to death. Regardless of what you think of, say, Display PostScript (now Display PDF) or Objective C, the old NeXT boxes rock. If the new OS X boxes come even close...oh, baby.
So shove off. If you don't like the story, you can filter this kind of crap out. Don't bitch about it. Your opinion isn't the only opinion that counts. Neither is mine, for that matter. But it's a simple matter for you to simply ignore the story.
the Be kernel is the Be kernel, not BSD. It's very UNIX-like in the way it works. Saying that Be has a BSD kernel is like saying my Linux-Mandrake kernel...I mean, it's very *nix-like.
Let me know when they have file permissions nailed down in BeOS, wouldya?