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zniper writes: "According to this mail on the KDE-KFM-DEVEL mailing-list, Corel revived the Mozilla QT-port and claim to have a port even more stable than the official GTK version. Additionally, they are planning to port Gecko to the KDE2 kparts architecture, allowing it to be embedded into Konqueror and other KDE2 programs. "
Oooh! Oooh! I know - it's the comma after green, isn't it? Did I spot it?
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...about as much as Mozilla does, as far as I am concerned, but it is always nice to be able to choose!
I mean, how long have they been working on Mozilla?
And when did development of the Konqueror HTML widget start? I am really surprised they could build a good-functioning (speaking as of the final-beta ) web-browser in such a short time!
How did the KDE developers manage this? Or did it just not get the same attention (as Mozilla) and have they been working on it for quite some time before it got into the public?
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remember - desktop users mostly use Windows. Can they use Konquerer?
Yes, I think they can. Because it's based on QT which is a crossplatform development environment, I guess it would be quite easy to port it (if you really wanted to). Would take some work I guess, but it could be done.
By the way, please don't make the mistake that KDE only runs on Linux, Konqueror also is a platform independent browser (Linux, *BSD, every other platform that compiles QT/KDE, which are quite a lot I guess).
And Mozilla depends on GTK being available just as Konqueror depends on QT being available for a certain platform, so both have (about) the same level of platform independance.
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See title ;-) Konq and KDE's HTML widget has supported NS plugins for quite some time. Flash, RealPlayer, etc... all work fine.
The guys at Troll Tech created a mozilla based off QT already. Some of the work involved has been done already. That might help speed up the process You never know
Yes, it's cross-platform (I've seen X11-based Wordperfect on Solaris and AIX, possibly even IRIX at my uni), but the ports themselves *suck*. Even on an Ultra-1, with 256MB of RAM--hardly a slow machine back in 1996, the bloody things *chugged*. No, we were not running CDE, we were running vanilla X11R6 with (I believe) fvwm for the window manager.
Wordperfect 8, on Windows, also was a pain. The installer isn't nearly idiot-proofed for the typical (l)user, and though it's overkill for 99% of the people, the problem I had with Wordperfect is that compared to MS Word, the UI was less intuitive (not saying that MSW has the ultimate UI, mind you, just better than WP8 IMO).
I'm just hoping that Corel Draw would be enough to carry the company through....
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People might as well get used to seeing Mozilla news similar to this for a long time to come. Things are just beginning to really take off.
Even before its done, people are basing their new applications on it (see mozdev.org), and are embedding gecko (and soon more of Mozilla) into existing software.
BTW, there was an ActiveX version of Gecko that ran in IE a while back.
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Is this code in the Mozilla CVS repository or somewhere at Corel? I haven't been following Mozilla development lately, but this sounds exciting.
/Jonas U
I'm tired of people being tricked into thinking ...)
by the popular press that Corel have only months
left. It's just ridiculous. It has over 1000
employees, and a huge range of top class products.
And they do give a lot to the opensource community. (contributed to Wine, SMB, QT, gecko,
I can't recommend enough Wordperfect Office 2000
for Linux. It's way ahead of anything else on
the platform.
Seems to me that both these window managers are ready to form alliances with just about anyone that will make them the "default" window manager for *NIX
"sigs are for losers"
Thank you for supporting open source software. Thank you for supporting Linux. Now would you please stop goofing off and get to work on a fix for the hundreds of bugs that infest WordPerfect Office 200 for Linux?
Seriously, WordPerfect Office 2000 is a great demo of the what can be done with Wine. It shows what a killer ap WPO 2000 for Linux could be, but it's way to unstable to take seriously as a finished product.
Please - before you irrepairably harm your reputation with the Linux community try to focus long enough to fix the bugs in the programs you're already selling.
Sincerely, Someone who has already lost way to much work to WPO 2000
Your right. M$ forces you to react. They just set up something like this favicon.ico thing, IE > 5 searches for it in the directory, where someone clicks Add Bookmark.
You have to setup mod_rewrite to provide this "service" in a proper way.(Kudos to the apache team for things like that!)
I can only hope that M$ isn't providing nifty features in IE6, you can only use with their web server.
Michael
If you take a closer, less literal look at this memo, you'll notice that they dont' seem to be "doing this", only vaguely suggesting that it may be a pretty good idea. There is nothing saying that they will suddenly delete the Konquerer code, which has been building for several months to replace it with Mozilla. Most likely, Mozilla will simply have the level of integration that Netscape does now- comfortable, yet not demanding.
I think this is just one of the thousands of "wouldn't it be cool if..." letters passing between developers every day.
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I can't decide whether this will help unite KDE and Gnome, or help split them further... Any ideas?
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It's nice to see Corel helping out the Mozilla and KDE projects this way. Since Nautilus already uses Gecko and now the possibility for Konqueror to use it, we are one step closer to having a more standards compliant web.
Once Netscape 6/Mozilla reach RTM versions, all that really stands in the way of true standards compliance is WinIE. MacIE is already wonderfully standards compliant by all accounts, and hopefully the WinIE team will follow suit.
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You don't understand. Gecko is much more featureful than KDE's HTML engine. If you want the quick viewer use KDE's, if you want support for stuff like XML+CSS, MathML, XSL and all the other funky things that the great Moz does, then use Gecko.
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On an off topic note. What has Linux done that windows hasn't? So far the desktops are somewhat differnet looking, but neither has done anything that is noticably better than Windows. Sure some may say it is more stable, but then so are Solaris and the BSD's. They are almost equal on the game playing field. They are near equal in the application field (although some may argue one way or another that one is better). But what has Linux or UNIX in general done lately that Windows hasn't. (And don't give me that lame security argument as you can secure a windows box [put it behing a UNIX firewall]).
--I write as a newbie to linux. Though I have used linux since RH5.0, I got a net connection just a few months ago. I depend entirely on the local computer magazine CD for the linux goodies. I had a project to write, a sort of book, and I felt miserable trying it with MSWord. I tried StarOffice on linux and it was worse. Trying wordperfect 8.0 trial on linux was another miserable failure. The last time I downloaded KDE2 pre (Korner) took me a whole night and a fat telephone bill (it was not free), and Kword was better but unstable. Then I tried Lyx. Lyx (+LaTeX) in concept was way different. It does not have an interface to boast about, but I easily managed to get a 63 pg report ready in a few hours, complete with TOC and index. Now this is a killer app I could never dream of on Windows. (I know windows ports do exist, but they either require an X server or Cygwin)
I am waiting for the KDE2 version of Lyx (Klyx) though. If Klyx integrates with Koffice so that , for example, I can embed a Kspread part in my document, edit the object using Kspread part in klyx, then in final output translate the spreadsheet into a Lyx (or Tex) table and get a printout, in less than half the time it would take in a conventional Wordprocessor; this could be something unique to linux/Unix, and KDE, which Windows does not have.
Well, if it works for Linux....
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...and it annoys me even more when any product that faulty gets some sort of reverent praise.
I don't think anyone gave it reverent praise in this thread yet but I'm tempted to give it a try.
But it annoys the jeebus out of me when someone calls either of them a "word processor."
And it annoys the skin off my tongue when anyone calls anything a word processor. That's just one of a million examples of badly-thought-out inexact brain-dead IT terminology. Calling LaTeX a word processor is no less meaningful than calling computerized typewriters word processors since it's a meaningless term in the first place. LaTeX calls itself a document preparation system, which at least shows that Leslie Lamport speaks intelligent English. Anyway, why do I use LaTeX myself? Simply because the documents it produces look great and take less time to prepare than with a WYSIWYG productivity-inhibitor.
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
Konqueror was created to replace KFM, and I'm pretty sure they at least used KFM as a reference. It rendered web pages decently, but not much else. Now KDE has Konqueror which boasts everything you'd expect a web browser to do: HTML 4.0, CSS1&2, Java/Javascript, and SSL. What was once a wishlist in May is a reality now.
And I do believe you're right in that the KDE developers have not recieved as much attention. Think about how many news items we have seen about Mozilla or Nautilus in the last few months. When was the last time we heard about Konqueror? I just did a Slashdot search and saw a news item for it dated back in May (its *only* news item).
I think the only reason it has no attention is because it's a KDE app. You generally only hear about the "whole package" of KDE, and nothing about its individual apps. This is unfortunate because Konqueror *really* stands out. The people who normally complain that Mozilla is too bulky should definitely try out Konqueror. It does everything necessary, yet is faster and lighter. I was impressed with the no-hassle SSL. It just utilizes OpenSSL if you have it installed. In fact, this is the first time I've ever been able to get a browser besides Netscape to use SSL.
Embedding Mozilla into Konqueror seems strange at first, since Konqueror does a fine job of it's own. However, wouldn't it be neat to be able to choose a render engine? Imagine a case where the KHTML widget renders a page not quite like you wanted it to. Flip over to Mozilla rendering to give yourself a second shot! =) Hey, there's a first for everything.
-Justin
I've been driving myself nuts trying to find any good tutorial on LaTeX. Where would you suggest?
Oh, and BTW, I like your nick.;-).
Bite my yammer.
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I agree with everything you say about LaTeX. The output looks great, and for the type of writing I do it is infinitely beter than any What You See is All You Get word processor.
But, with that said, I look at LaTeX with the same jaundiced eye I use for X and Emacs (and, to some extent, Unix itself). Each of them is "good enough" at what they do that there is no compelling reason to replace them (or, perhaps, each of them are aguably the best thing available for what they do, and its difficult for most of us to imagine what could replace them). But each of them have obvious, huge, glaring problems that all of us can easily see, but none of us have enough energy to fix.
Oh well... Worse is Better...
Slashdot is jumping the shark. I'm just driving the boat.
Well, most people write 'reflection' instead of 'reflexion' these days.
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AFAIK Mozilla doesn't support XSL yet.
But, what is this talk of writing it in Postscript? Are you nuts? Have you ever scene Postscript? It was not built to be edited by hand by any means. Me thinks you are crazy.
Well, maybe I'm crazy. I used to do a lot of coding directly in PostScript. (I also used to use NeWS, when X11 was still relatively new.) At one point, my resume was written entirely by hand in PostScript, and I thought it was perfectly readable. Computer-generated PostScript usually isn't readable, but is that really a surprise?
I had drifted away from PostScript programming for a few years, but I'm starting to play with it again because I recently bought an HP LaserJet 4050 with a builtin PostScript interpreter. (For example, I wrote some simple PostScript code to print videotape labels.)
Well-written PostScript is actually pretty fun to work with. I wouldn't want to hack generated PostScript without a compelling reason, however.
Deven
"Simple things should be simple, and complex things should be possible." - Alan Kay
Yeah, but "reflect" is spelled with a "ct" and "crucifix" is spelled with an "x".
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Yeah, but 'reflex' is spelled with an 'x'. I think the difference is that there's no verb 'to crucifict'.
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Not a troll. A fact. Stone, cold, dead-on fact. I have an Athlon 750. I have 128MB ram. I have a 600kbps DSL connection. There is no shortage of memory here. There is no weak processor here.
The text portion often renders about the same speed as does any version of netscape 4.* I have tried but the graphics are WAY slower...on EVERY page I have ever gone to. On Slashdot, the icons, the banners, ANY graphics are loaded WAY slow. On an web-email page I use from my university, the graphics load WAY slow (not critical for that page but it is annoying - I LIKE graphics). Essentially, on ANY page I go to that has graphical links, graphic decore, or banners - they all load incredibly slowly while netscape 4.73, which I have to keep going back to for "stability" vs any of the more recent netscape releases, loads images and text very quickly.
I have downloaded the M17 binary, I have downloaded the preM18 binary. I have downloaded a recent binary nightly build. I have downloaded the source of a nightly build and compiled/installed it myself. In no case at all has the slow graphics loading been corrected. Also in EVERY case the number of segfaults has been intolerable. Try to download newsgroup messages: segfault. Try to login to one of my pop email accounts: segfault. Try to download some file/tarball/rpm: 30-40% of the time...segfault.
It sure LOOKS pretty doing before it segfaults though. Unfortunately, with the slow graphic loading (this occurs, incidently, also on my celeron-based laptop with 96mb ram when it is connected directly to my university's lan) and segfaulting, it is impossible to use it for anything. Ultimately, I have to keep going back to netscape 4.73 (which suffers far fewer bus errors than 4.74 OR 4.75). Konqueror looks to be the only hope I can see for getting past netscape/mozilla bus errors/segfaults or slow image loading behavior. And it will be ready FAR sooner than any final version of Mozilla. That is a fact, like it or not.
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.
You cannot drag-n-drop files from mozilla to your desktop (or other file) on KDE but you can with Gnome. This is GOOD integration between Mozilla and Gnome that needs to be given to KDE too. This is a GOOD kind of integration, not the perverted, broken, evil "integration" practiced by M$ with their crap.
It merely means that Mozilla would be able to communicate/intercommunicate with your desktop environment while remaining a separate, independent application.
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.
Yes, but "reflection" is derived from "reflect", not "reflex" (which is a related but separate concept).
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Have you tried here? I personally found the Introduction to LaTeX2e to be very helpful.
Older, text-based versions of WordPerfect were ported to Unix long ago.
While there are definately a fair share of commercial wordproccessors for unix that run in console mode, there are no opensource ones available, at least to my knowledge. There is a decent selection of X word proccessors, and as a matter of principle I plan on writing my Masters Thesis in latex or postscript so I could do it in vi. However, it'd be nice if I had the choice of using an opensourse console word proccessor. Reminds me of the time when I didn't associate a blue screen with Bad OS design
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My father-in-law no longer opens his paper to the sports section, but now starts with the obituaries. After confirming htat he's not there, he goes on with his day . . .
:)
Just how many Corel obituaries are we going to get? I just can't keep up; I'd thought that it was corell waiting to be revived, and KDE/mozilla doing well (kozilla?
By tomorrow, perhaps it will be the kde/mozilla project reviving Alan Turning . . .
There's no one standard desktop. The standards that KDE and GNOME introduce are *open* which means it's possible to write/hack your own desktop management system without using the bloat crap. If you need the bloat crap, use KDE/GNOME/whatever. Personally, I'm holding out great hope for Rasterman's grand vision for E (integrating EFM). My great fear is that Raster/Mandrake will decide to do a major rewrite (again) of E and the code won't be ready till 2002/2003. :^( Please, God, grant them the ability to think clearly, and, please, God, grant Raster the ability to spell. ;^)
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On an off topic note. What has Linux done that windows hasn't? So far the desktops are somewhat differnet looking, but neither has done anything that is noticably better than Windows. Sure some may say it is more stable, but then so are Solaris and the BSD's. They are almost equal on the game playing field. They are near equal in the application field (although some may argue one way or another that one is better). But what has Linux or UNIX in general done lately that Windows hasn't. (And don't give me that lame security argument as you can secure a windows box [put it behing a UNIX firewall]).
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I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
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Aw, c'mon.
:^) got to work writing their *own* implementation of CORBA, called ORBit.
There's talk of a possible hack of Bonobo to integrate DCOP into the system. This was on the GNOME developers' news site.
There isn't an object-sharing standard for UNIX machines. There isn't! The KDE team (as I gathered; again, I'm relying on remembered information from *their* developer's news site) they were working with CORBA, realized how horrid it was, and decided to work up something that was a bit more sensible (to their way of thinking.) Nearly everything about their system was already there; it's based on libICE, which is already a part of X11. It's fast. It doesn't take up a lot of overhead.
Quite frankly, the GNOME team was saved by Red Hat. Some of their guys (this is apparently while Raster was at RH; again...well, you've read my disclaimer twice.
Wait, isn't CORBA some kind of standard? Yes and no; and I think this is the dirty little secret. At the time, CORBA was being touted as the acronym of the week. A nice little object-sharing mechanism that wasn't COM. So GNOME used it. What started out as a nice, lighter alternative to KDE is now an alternative to KDE that's an extreme memory hog. Thanks, guys.
Stating on Slashdot that I like cheese since 1997.
Will Corel also provide a Mozilla/Qt for Windows?
(Maybe the answer to this question was in the mail (but I couldn't find it).
what benefits am i going to get from integration? my mozilla browser works fine AS IS.
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I don't get it, I really don't. It wasn't like you couldn't get IE out of windows if you took a minute either.
If not now, when?
Can't anybody spot trolls anymore? Any reactionary comment from an Anonymous Coward should just be ignored, especially when it demands or dares moderation.
And what's with "crucifiction"? That spelling was only used by anti-Christians last time I hung out on the newsgroups.
Uhm...chill. Yah that about says it. I got $20 that says Jesus himself would have gotten a good chuckle out of that comment. Come on, do you really want a god with no sense of humor?
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-matt
That's what I used to think ... until I learnt LaTeX.
Repeat after me: LaTeX is NOT a wordprocessor. LaTeX is NOT a wordprocessor. LaTeX is NOT a wordprocessor. LaTeX is NOT...
LaTeX is a disgusting crude combination of a document markup language and document style language, all painfully written in TeX's braindead macro language.
LaTeX has several inherent problems -- first, its a piss-poor as a document markup language; its trivially simple to make ad-hoc extensions, but there's no equivilant to a DTD, so communicating those extensions (either to another person or to a program like LyX) is extremely difficult.
Second, its fairly difficult to change the style and format of output. I would honestly be suprised if more than a few hundred people in the entire world could reliably create a new output style to match, for example, a book designer's specification.
Third, TeX's macro language was never intended to allow such a thing as LaTeX to be built -- Knuth has even admitted that. Unfortunately, extending LaTeX to add nontrivial extensions to the markup language or modify the output style involves learning a lot of TeX and a lot of the ugly guts of LaTeX.
I don't even want to start on the flaws of TeX.
Anyhow, with that being said, I'll freely admit that LaTeX and TeX are the best free programs available that do what they do -- There are some things they do very well, I use them often, and I've invested a lot of time and effort to learn them very well. But it annoys the jeebus out of me when someone calls either of them a "word processor," and it annoys me even more when any product that faulty gets some sort of reverent praise.
Slashdot is jumping the shark. I'm just driving the boat.
I say this as a former-Christian, and someone who has read a version of the Bible twice.
Me too. I've read Yggdrasil's Linux Bible version at least a couple times.
"Anyone that has ever gotten an idea based on any of my work and done something better with it-good for you."--J.Carmack
I'm stuck in Windows, don't have much chance to play around with Konqueror.
As far as I remember, Mozilla is supposed to run on both Win32 and Linux, while Konqueror is not even able to make to Win32. So, it's a much more complicated job to also accomodate Win32, right? Do you think it's fair to compare the development time for two products?
Indeed, Gecko has been there for quite a bit of time. Without the UI complications, development of Mozilla isn't going too bad compare to Konqueror.
A sig is redundant.
CorelDraw -- widely recognized as the best vector illustration application available. Beats Illustrator hands-down, both for ease-of-use and sheer functionality. Challenges Adobe Pagemaker in many areas.
Ventura Publisher -- the only professional-level long-document layout/publishing tool available for desktop-class machines. Adobe FrameMaker is a wanna-be, in comparison: it's adequate for smaller publications and independent contractors, but lacks the functionality required by high-end professionals. Quark doesn't even register on the scale.
WordPerfect -- regarded as one of the two best general-purpose wordprocessing applications (MSWord being the other). Has many strengths that Word lacks; has some weaknesses. Does deal moderately well with SGML; it's a viable alternative to XMetal for those that need more versatility than SoftQuad's product; high-end professionals are using ArborText's products.
PhotoPaint -- recognized as being as powerful (in many ways more powerful) than Adobe Photoshop, but generally presents a challenging interface to anyone who has become used to the Photoshop/Paintshop interface. Once you get over the UI hurdle, it's magic.
Paradox -- as powerful as any desktop-class database, and far better than the dog's breakfast that MS Access provides.
Quattro -- as powerful as any desktop-class spreadsheet. Not as many frills and thrills as MS Excel. On the other hand, it doesn't seem to have math errors; Excel has had some primo botches in the past.
In the end, Corel has the world's best desktop-class software. Nothing comes close to Ventura and Draw; and it's neck-and-neck for the other products.
What Corel doesn't seem to have is a marketing plan, the common sense to not release buggy product on every odd release number, and respect.
It's a crying shame.
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Anybody remember the end-users under NDA about the memory problem?
My employer told me that I had to learn more about solaris, so I installed x86. If there is UNIX in hell, this is it. Name any other OS that requires a separate partition just to hold the boot manager, I dare you!
Of course I appreciate any effort expended in making Free Software more usable--but what on earth is Corel thinking? They are on the brink of disaster, surely they should be working on something that will Make Money Fast.
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I know how they can do that. I had an email about it the other day. All they need to do is send $20 to this bloke, and he'll send them these 'business reports' that they can then sell themselves for as much as they like to loads of people. They can make $$$! Earn $100,000 a month or more!
It's not illegal, either, the bloke said, and it's not one of these pyramid schemes.
PigPog.
OK - I'm really happy that there will be better integration to KDE, etc., but what would REALLY impress me would be a target release date for a non-beta Mozilla that gets stuck to and is in the past tense!
I'm so tired of NN 4.7 which is so buggy that I can't use it. I have NEVER managed to get Gaelon working on my machine (although I hear it's great).
Well? Are they receiving any assistance from other companies or banks at this time, to help them keep afloat?
Its sad to see that a company that is signifigantly benifiting the opensource community is dying. Obvisiously Corel Draw and Word Perfect have been dying for a while now, but its still sad. Fortunatly, Corels benifits of a better WINE and work on the QT version of Mozilla will continue to live on. Is there any way Corel can auctual become profitable, or should they just continue to suck money out of investors until they die? If they do the OSS comunity will benifit. Hopefully though before they die they release the source code to Wordperfect for DOS so maybe all us Linux/*BSD users out there will finally have a console Word Proccessor without having to learn latex or install dosemu.
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Trust me, bad software does exist :) The main reason that choice is so important is to enable users to choose *good* software...
They way they can make money is to sell products. The way they can sell products is to draw attention to themselves. The way they can draw attention to temselves is to create talk in the press over projects they are supporting. This is a good thing!
The quickest way for Corel to completely fade away is to stop doing new development. It's kind of like evolution, either you advance or get overrun. A company that terminates all development efforts is usually on it's last leg.
When you consider how much money Corel is burning through, how much is it really costing them to have a couple of programmers dedicated to a project like this? $200-250K/year for a company operating on the level of $20-30M/year is not that big of deal.
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Or so you're telling me...I've heard this argument from the KDE camp ever since the Netscape code release was announced. The KDE camp doesn't want to use Netscape's code; they feel like having a different HTML engine is actually a good idea (can't say I disagree.) OTOH, there's nothing preventing Corel from attempting to replace the rendering engine with Gecko for their own distro. Mo' power to 'em.
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Perhaps. But from my experience, KHTML renders quite flawlessly, supports Netscape plugins, Java, etc etc *and* is a _lot_ faster than Gecko.
If you want the quick viewer use KDE's...
That's what 99% of webbrowsing is about. A quick viewer.
But sure, I'd love Gecko support within Konqueror. On the condition that KHTML remains the default engine.
Thanks, don't know why but my distro didn't include much in the way of documentation and I was having trouble locating much useful on the web.
Bite my yammer.
Does it support the DOM?
... well ... the difference between IE/Mozilla and everything else.
The difference between dynamic and static documents is
This is not a very elegant solution, but it worked for me... Try updating to the latest mozilla nightly build, and then installing Helix Gnome. Galeon is now working very nicely, and is very fast. Still a bit primitive, but not bad.
Hang on a sec, what is this talk of putting Gecko into Konqueror? Surely a huge amount of the work that has gone into Konqueror is the HTML rendering engine. Which I hear is coming along pretty nicely (I haven't actually tried it, however...)
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It's a bit like Mozilla announcing that they're going to ditch Gecko and license IE's engine from Microsoft. (OK, perhaps not quite that extreme but you probably know what i mean!)
Is Corel the evil one that we're supposed to slam at every opportunity, or is that Caldera?
It's so hard to keep track of these things...
Make money fast? There is no way to do that with Free Software (now that the OSS IPO boom is over). You can't make money off of support/service until you have a large enough user base (and no one's earned decent profits off of it yet). So you're left with proprietary add-ons of some kind.
I think Corel is going the best course. Slow, steady, and ignore the pundits. Of course, if the Borland shenanigan gets resolved, they have Kylix to generate dough with.
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Perhaps a big advantage of using Gecko is that it will likely be a target for commercial plugins that make multimedia web browsing so much fun. Flash and RealPlayer to start, and perhaps eventually, Shockwave, Quicktime, and who knows, maybe even WiMP. Since Moz is cross-platform, it may not be too much to ask for the commercial companies to support all the platforms it runs on.
At least, one can hope.
...maybe all us Linux/*BSD users out there will finally have a console Word Proccessor without having to learn latex or install dosemu.
... until I learnt LaTeX.
That's what I used to think
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Jesus (screaming): 'Well, I wouldn't have to if somebody would get a pair of pliers!'
It's not a question if there are Corel products that are worth having and ... yes ... buying. The question is 'Is it worth it to you?'
So far myself, I've downloaded the freebies and have considered recommending v.2 of Corel Linux for less-tech savy friends and family. I can't justify getting WordPerfect because it uses a closed format, and I don't do that much graphics work so I'm not a customer for Corel Draw. I've only spent a few minutes fiddling around with Photopaint only because I don't do much graphics work.
The only thing stopping me from recommending v.2 Corel Linux is that I know more about RedHat and RedHat derrived distributions then Debian. Not a big hurdle, true, yet if anything goes wrong or needs changing, I'll have to make the changes (via. SSH, of course!).
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.