I have 20 some servers in UUNet's (WorldCom's) Ashburn, VA datacenter (where MAE East is located). When I asked them about fire suppression they told me they use a two stage water system that is localized above many many zones throughout the data center. They said the idea is that since the datacenter is so large and they have so many customers with varying SLAs, their goal is to put the fire out at its source before it can spread, while attempting not to affect the operation of other cages/racks. In other words, apparently they don't want to saturate the whole datacenter, just the location of the fire. If something catastrophic happened that would affect the whole of such a large building, then pretty much everything is a loss anyway. Nevertheless, I trudge out there once a week to take backup tapes to an offsite vault...
I also asked them what happens if a plane crashes on takeoff from Dulles airport (only a few miles away and where the plane that hit the Pentagon took off from) and hits the datacenter, and they said they had the flight path altered when they built the datacenter to minimize the chance of such a thing. They didn't admit to it, but I bet that that building is hardened, too.
I think the diff between the two is negligible, but I tend to shy away from Mandrake because it reminds me too much of Windows with its 'pre-intalled' stuff. I'll install what I want to install, which is the beauthy of Linux. RedHat is much cleaner (though still somewhat intrusive) about 'included packages'. A result, I'm afraid, of the drive towards appealing to the corporate NT boobs (of which, I must admit, my job makes me). The diff in the packages boils down to can a 'paper MCSE' use one more efficiently than the other (thus it becomes the winner) on his/her NT network with some Linux machines mixed in. It is a sad day, but that's what 'sells' Linux these days. Oh the salad days...
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Yes! Oh yes! My soul is snoring! - Tom Servo
The other folks have already pointed out your logic blunder. I'll add that the people responding here aren't the ones being reactionary; Verant is. But beyond that, it's fundamentally against what our country is supposed to stand for and defend. Not to mention the fact that it won't stop the problem anyway.
I used to live in Northern Ireland where if your house was located in certain areas, you were not allowed to have curtains or blinds on your windows so the soldiers could see into your house to see if you were making bombs. Did this stop the terrorism? Hardly. It just seriously impacted the privacy of the citizens.
Verant doesn't have the right to find out shit about what's on my hard drive. Neither does Intel, Miscrosoft, or any one else. The PIII serial number debacle is one of the reasons I'll never buy another Intel processor again. In fact, after reading about this business, EQ has been completely removed from my system and will never be played again. The people in my house who play it won't like it, but I think crack cocaine is more healthy for them than this game anyway. It's already cost me hundreds of dollars in upgrades just to make the damned game run, but now Verant has just gone too far.
You may feel like your horse is high enough to let you always stare down at those who oppose invasion of privacy, but one day someone like Verant will come by with a real knee-knocker for you.
--------------------------------------------- Yes! Oh yes! My soul is snoring! - Tom Servo
I wrote and presented a paper a few years back about how digital communications could allow more communal input similar to the ancient Greek Agora. Seems like this is compelling evidence that it works (to a degree--I certainly don't expect Pinkerton to respond the way/.ers want them to; but, nevertheless, they're listening). One wonders, though, if this isn't some sort of dubious sympathy PR stunt on the part of Pinkerton. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.
--------------------------------------------- Yes! Oh yes! My soul is snoring! - Tom Servo
Availability errors or not, his point is still right. You can't just point your finger at the first thing you don't like or the first thing that's different from the "good old crime free days". Christ, for all the years music influence has been debated you're still clinging to the "music causes violence" argument. That's pathetic. I suppose you bought it back in the eigties when we went through this same thing over D&D.
And, having lived in Appalachia for thirty years, I can tell you that the poor white folk sure as hell do shoot their neighbors. More often their wives or husbands. They don't listen to rap music. Last time I checked, Garth Brooks wasn't being blamed for inciting violence, but I know plenty of impressionable thirteen year old poor white Appalachians who are shooting their neighbors and classmates.
--------------------------------------------- Yes! Oh yes! My soul is snoring! - Tom Servo
To bolster your conclusions, I'll point you to my post ("More to the point") under the "I've been giving this some thought" section
And even more to the point than my more to the point, many Enlish Lit scholars (myself included) are relatively convinced by compelling research that Shakespeare never did write those plays; they were most likely penned by Francis Bacon. Yet we STILL have to pay royalty fees to the publishers of the plays who hold the copyrights. What gives them the right to be paid for the work of someone who probably didn't even do the work?
I come at this debate from two conflicting viewpoints. I just finished writing a book about Linux. I now own the copyright to that book (and share it with my publisher). Sure, like the next guy I want to get paid for my effort, and so I'm happy to have a copyright. But, that doesn't mean I don't share my original mauscript with people instead of forcing them to buy the book (after it actually get printed). My publisher would probaly shit himself, but I don't see the big deal. Okay, I just lost $6 by letting someone read it, but I'm not ut to gorge people. That's the job of my publisher. Though it is conflicting, my resoulte concluion is that there's no way I can claim to be the sole owner of the information I wrote in that book because I learned it from other people--including you/.ers. So how can I say that it's my intellectual property? I didn't invent Linux (and neither did Linus--he got his initial idead from Minix, Unix, etc. and they got their ideas from...and so on) and I learned about it the same way we all did--from SHARED information. See the problem with IP?
Especially to free themselves of socialism. The very fact that the Afghanis were willing to do that shows that marxism is unnatural and thus immoral. They were willing to die to revert to capitalism: how much more proof do you need? Oh, please. Now who's re-arranging the facts to fit his/her prejudice? The Afghanis weren't out on some high-horsed-lets-be-capitalists campiagn. Nobody much liked the Soviets and American money seemed more appealing. But, the Soviets =! Marxism--far from it. Your conclusion that Marxism is therefore unnatural and thus immoral is itself prejudiced and one hell of a logical fallacy. Ever check into Afghanistan these days? Or Russia, or the Czech Republic or... They ain't such pretty, happy-go-lucky countries as we capitalists want everyone to belive. Ever been to any of them? I bet the Cubans don't find their free healthcare so unnatural and thus immoral. Or for that matter, the Canadians, or the Englilsh, or the Irish or the... Gosh, I bet you'd be surprised to find out that their democracies are based on socialism, as in SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. Take your Rush Limbaugh gasbag attitude elsewhere.
Intellectual Property is indeed a misnomer but for more resons than its ethereal lack of physical possesibility. None of us lives or was raised in a vacum. We get our ideas from the expriences we've had and the things we've learned. Knowledge is gained, not created. So if I take a bit of knowledge from column A and a bit from column B and put them together to make a new column C, how can I claim to own that? Because I was clever enough to do it? Hardly. If anything, maybe I should get some kudos for being clever enough to do it before anyone else did, but I hardly think I'm owed anything particularly spectacular for having done it. Now, maybe all of you are so appreciative that I was clever enough to put those things together, and so you're willing to give me some compensation for saving you the work it would have taken to do it, but the presumption that I somehow have the right to demand that you do it and punish you if you make your own column C is erroneous. Suppose some dude halfway around the world came up with column C at the same time as, but independently of, me? Do I know have the G-Men hunt him down and prosecute him for stealing my column C? The premise is what's false. It's called social invention, and you can't own that.
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Do you actually *read* the entire advisory, or are you one of those freak-out "Oh my gosh! It's a vulnerability!" types?
From the advisory:
"For the unstable distribution (sid) these problems have been fixed in version 2.0.0-1."
Show me a package that hasn't had a vulnerability or bug at some point. Then go take a valium, it sounds like you need one.
I have 20 some servers in UUNet's (WorldCom's) Ashburn, VA datacenter (where MAE East is located). When I asked them about fire suppression they told me they use a two stage water system that is localized above many many zones throughout the data center. They said the idea is that since the datacenter is so large and they have so many customers with varying SLAs, their goal is to put the fire out at its source before it can spread, while attempting not to affect the operation of other cages/racks. In other words, apparently they don't want to saturate the whole datacenter, just the location of the fire. If something catastrophic happened that would affect the whole of such a large building, then pretty much everything is a loss anyway. Nevertheless, I trudge out there once a week to take backup tapes to an offsite vault...
I also asked them what happens if a plane crashes on takeoff from Dulles airport (only a few miles away and where the plane that hit the Pentagon took off from) and hits the datacenter, and they said they had the flight path altered when they built the datacenter to minimize the chance of such a thing. They didn't admit to it, but I bet that that building is hardened, too.
I think the diff between the two is negligible, but I tend to shy away from Mandrake because it reminds me too much of Windows with its 'pre-intalled' stuff. I'll install what I want to install, which is the beauthy of Linux. RedHat is much cleaner (though still somewhat intrusive) about 'included packages'. A result, I'm afraid, of the drive towards appealing to the corporate NT boobs (of which, I must admit, my job makes me). The diff in the packages boils down to can a 'paper MCSE' use one more efficiently than the other (thus it becomes the winner) on his/her NT network with some Linux machines mixed in. It is a sad day, but that's what 'sells' Linux these days. Oh the salad days...
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Yes! Oh yes! My soul is snoring! - Tom Servo
The other folks have already pointed out your logic blunder. I'll add that the people responding here aren't the ones being reactionary; Verant is. But beyond that, it's fundamentally against what our country is supposed to stand for and defend. Not to mention the fact that it won't stop the problem anyway.
I used to live in Northern Ireland where if your house was located in certain areas, you were not allowed to have curtains or blinds on your windows so the soldiers could see into your house to see if you were making bombs. Did this stop the terrorism? Hardly. It just seriously impacted the privacy of the citizens.
Verant doesn't have the right to find out shit about what's on my hard drive. Neither does Intel, Miscrosoft, or any one else. The PIII serial number debacle is one of the reasons I'll never buy another Intel processor again. In fact, after reading about this business, EQ has been completely removed from my system and will never be played again. The people in my house who play it won't like it, but I think crack cocaine is more healthy for them than this game anyway. It's already cost me hundreds of dollars in upgrades just to make the damned game run, but now Verant has just gone too far.
You may feel like your horse is high enough to let you always stare down at those who oppose invasion of privacy, but one day someone like Verant will come by with a real knee-knocker for you.
---------------------------------------------
Yes! Oh yes! My soul is snoring! - Tom Servo
I wrote and presented a paper a few years back about how digital communications could allow more communal input similar to the ancient Greek Agora. Seems like this is compelling evidence that it works (to a degree--I certainly don't expect Pinkerton to respond the way /.ers want them to; but, nevertheless, they're listening). One wonders, though, if this isn't some sort of dubious sympathy PR stunt on the part of Pinkerton. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.
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Yes! Oh yes! My soul is snoring! - Tom Servo
Availability errors or not, his point is still right. You can't just point your finger at the first thing you don't like or the first thing that's different from the "good old crime free days". Christ, for all the years music influence has been debated you're still clinging to the "music causes violence" argument. That's pathetic. I suppose you bought it back in the eigties when we went through this same thing over D&D.
And, having lived in Appalachia for thirty years, I can tell you that the poor white folk sure as hell do shoot their neighbors. More often their wives or husbands. They don't listen to rap music. Last time I checked, Garth Brooks wasn't being blamed for inciting violence, but I know plenty of impressionable thirteen year old poor white Appalachians who are shooting their neighbors and classmates.
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Yes! Oh yes! My soul is snoring! - Tom Servo
To bolster your conclusions, I'll point you to my post ("More to the point") under the "I've been giving this some thought" section
/.ers. So how can I say that it's my intellectual property? I didn't invent Linux (and neither did Linus--he got his initial idead from Minix, Unix, etc. and they got their ideas from...and so on) and I learned about it the same way we all did--from SHARED information. See the problem with IP?
And even more to the point than my more to the point, many Enlish Lit scholars (myself included) are relatively convinced by compelling research that Shakespeare never did write those plays; they were most likely penned by Francis Bacon. Yet we STILL have to pay royalty fees to the publishers of the plays who hold the copyrights. What gives them the right to be paid for the work of someone who probably didn't even do the work?
I come at this debate from two conflicting viewpoints. I just finished writing a book about Linux. I now own the copyright to that book (and share it with my publisher). Sure, like the next guy I want to get paid for my effort, and so I'm happy to have a copyright. But, that doesn't mean I don't share my original mauscript with people instead of forcing them to buy the book (after it actually get printed). My publisher would probaly shit himself, but I don't see the big deal. Okay, I just lost $6 by letting someone read it, but I'm not ut to gorge people. That's the job of my publisher. Though it is conflicting, my resoulte concluion is that there's no way I can claim to be the sole owner of the information I wrote in that book because I learned it from other people--including you
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Especially to free themselves of socialism. The very fact that the Afghanis were willing to do that shows that marxism is unnatural and thus immoral. They were willing to die to revert to capitalism: how much more proof do you need? Oh, please. Now who's re-arranging the facts to fit his/her prejudice? The Afghanis weren't out on some high-horsed-lets-be-capitalists campiagn. Nobody much liked the Soviets and American money seemed more appealing. But, the Soviets =! Marxism--far from it. Your conclusion that Marxism is therefore unnatural and thus immoral is itself prejudiced and one hell of a logical fallacy. Ever check into Afghanistan these days? Or Russia, or the Czech Republic or... They ain't such pretty, happy-go-lucky countries as we capitalists want everyone to belive. Ever been to any of them? I bet the Cubans don't find their free healthcare so unnatural and thus immoral. Or for that matter, the Canadians, or the Englilsh, or the Irish or the... Gosh, I bet you'd be surprised to find out that their democracies are based on socialism, as in SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. Take your Rush Limbaugh gasbag attitude elsewhere.
Intellectual Property is indeed a misnomer but for more resons than its ethereal lack of physical possesibility. None of us lives or was raised in a vacum. We get our ideas from the expriences we've had and the things we've learned. Knowledge is gained, not created. So if I take a bit of knowledge from column A and a bit from column B and put them together to make a new column C, how can I claim to own that? Because I was clever enough to do it? Hardly. If anything, maybe I should get some kudos for being clever enough to do it before anyone else did, but I hardly think I'm owed anything particularly spectacular for having done it. Now, maybe all of you are so appreciative that I was clever enough to put those things together, and so you're willing to give me some compensation for saving you the work it would have taken to do it, but the presumption that I somehow have the right to demand that you do it and punish you if you make your own column C is erroneous. Suppose some dude halfway around the world came up with column C at the same time as, but independently of, me? Do I know have the G-Men hunt him down and prosecute him for stealing my column C? The premise is what's false. It's called social invention, and you can't own that.