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I don#t think cryptography was explicitely forbidden before. Which makes usage legal anyway. If there had been a law, it would take mroe than a little announcement to make usage of crypto legal.
The govenrment doesn't have to permit me to do anything, it can just make laws against me doing some things. ie, the default for anything is that it's legal unless forbidden by law. Makes sense?
So stating that the announcements constitutes a "permission" is a little overstating things. But it's nice to know where they stand on the crypto issue. That's the big deal about the announcement.
Actually, speaking as a German, I am a little surprised, but so far Schroeder has proven to be a very competent Chancellor. They've done quite a few things, including going ahead to join the NATO mission in FRY and stopping the abuse of a certain kind of low income jobs. It's good to see that the change in Government after 16 years of Helmut Kohl brought about at least a few good things.
Nice to see that democracy is working for the benefit of the people, for a change.
Actually, I think part of the reason for this policy - maybe even THE reason for this new policy- *IS* the Echelon project. Germany is a very close ally of the USA, and would never "severe ties" with the US. At the same time, of course nobody is very hot on the idea of having even friends read their mail... So I think they want to protect themselves against Echelon without creating an official problem.
The text DOES explicitely mention industrial espionage as a serious threat to Germany, and I seriously doubt they meant some small hacker in the duties of the former USSR........
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Well, what can I say, Europe rules;-)
Except for that Great Britain thing, co-owners of Echelon.
I seem to remember there was a case in Germany where a man was sued - anmd lost - for putting up a link to a "bad site". Don't remember if it was libelous, or brutality, or porn, or whateever. Anyway I don't know the outcome of the appeals suit (if that ever happened) and I doubt there was little practical consequence, but the very least you really ought to do in Germany is to put a huge disclaimer next to your external links.
Someone else from Germany have a link for this? It was on heise/c't.
But what would be funny is to see if the US then next puts limits on German crypto software, because there won't be any CIA-Endorsed backdoors built in....;-)
Well, looks like maybe Europe isn't such a bad place to live, afterall. I kinda like our new Government. The old one would've taken the US policy of Encryption Is Bad, you can be sure of that.
But at any rate, let's see if their deeds speak as loudly as their words.
Hmmm Yes, yesyesyes, this seems to go along VERY nicely with electronic ink. Can you imagine a palmpilot thin as paper? You could even fold it, so it's letter sized or half of letter sized, just a matter of what you need.
Don't think it's really junk... think of it as historic artifacts. As soon as we have a colony up there, the old landers, lunochods, and probes will be tourist attractions and hopefully protected as monuments:)
"For his part, Young insists the hundreds of new programmers that join the Linux community because of Red Hat's corporate ties will make far more important contributions than the few hackers who may quit in anger."
I live in Germany and there's problems here too. I've been out of HS for, ah, four years now? Something like that. Anyway yeah there were tensions, there were difficulties. There's drugs and sex and rock'n'roll. There's also weapons.
But it seems that all of it is to a much lesser extent than in the US. Students don't carry guns, usually. Yet(?).
Thinks have deteriorated some even while I was at school. Education budgets get cut, then cut again, then cut even more.
They say that Germany lags behind the US by about 10 years in most respects. Now while we don't do all the mistakes that the Americans do, we sure seem to try hard.
But, no, there's not nearly as many shootings here as over there. I'll be honest though... I am glad I am not in school anymore.
America's once again earning itself a name as having to overdo everything... Maybe it's good I never got around to spend a year in an American HS as I had dreamt of during my HS life (Mainly because I figured it'd be much cooler over there.)
I don't know, I have been pretty much the outsider during Highschool. I did have a small crowd of friends and I never really cared for what others thought of me. Strangely, now after the fact I know there were even some girls who wanted me, which amazes me to no end, but I disgress. Anyway what I wanted to mention is that while HS here in Germany is not nearly as bad as it must be in a lot of places in the US, the underlying problems are more or less the same. You're either hip or you're not. You have a C64 at home or you play Wolfenstein on your PC? You are into Gaming and you wear black clothing? Very bad PR, man, very bad. As I said I did have a couple of good friends in HS, but it seems that over the years, they moved on. They discovered weed and alcohol. I'm never invited to any parties, and rarely to any birthday parties. It seems that most people just don't even remember to consider inviting me. A couple of months ago I was at a friend's birthday party - invited 24h before the party started, while everybody else had been invited about a motnh in advance - and in all honesty, I just sat there and ate salt sticks and gummi bears. I guess I just don't dig the atmosphere, the scene. Alcohol, lewd jokes, and the worst picking up I've seen in a while. Some people have no dignity, but it's considered to be "cool". Yeah I hang out on the net alot. I have friends all over the world. I'm proud of that. I play computer games. I'm wearing glasses. I wear comfortable clothes, not "hip fashion" ones. I still play RPGs when I have the time. My job perks include a $1000/month leased 64k line. My girlfriend is a black girl living in France. I voice my opinions. I'm different. I don't care. I am happy. There's a lot of people whom I hated in school. I have met only very few of them. I don't miss them at all.
I think this is the single best advice to anybody who's getting harassed before or now after these idiots had to go kill people. Hang in there. Don't let the school violate your rights. Read your law books. Especially the sections covering education. When I stuedied, the teachers usually tried to do all kinds of stuff that was in no way covered by the laws. It works wonders to remind them of that, just make sure you know what you are talking about.
And always, ALWAYS REMEMBER: In real life, brains earns more money and happiness is what you make of life. I know it can be difficult, but don't let others spoil it for you.
They probably just figure that if they really lose, they can always appeal and drag the case out for ten years. Or they've already paid the judge say a hundred million dollars and are laughing their butts off. Hey.. Never know. It's America, afterall.
Looks like MS has been doing a rather poor job of defending themselves in court while the DoJ systematically nukes each of their witnesses. This is especially odd when you consider that in the US the more money you have, the more "right" you are. At any rate, I wonder if it's just stupidity on MS part, or if they have something clever up their sleves.
Then again, maybe I am just too cynical, and it merely proves that, afterall, there is justice in this world.
The difference is, how many people have sun or sgi at home? Not many I hear you say? Damn right. How many people have ethernet cards? More, but most "ordinary people" don't have them. And last but not least, while ethernet cards etc are numbered, the idea is not to track and identify people. intel though has said the idea behind their serial is just that. And since the whole serial# idea is nonsense anyway, I think everybody would be better off without them.
Okay, so if you don't care about your privacy, your civil and human rights, why don't you all just move to china, iraq, iran, or one of the other places on the earth just like those?
Just don't come crying to us then when you get gunned down because you don't agree with the party line.
If you allow them to start to take away too much of your freedom, you will eventually have to fight to regain it, and it'll be a very tough uphill battle.
I am not advocating "total freedom", I don't like anarchy at all, but I certainly like not having to worry about getting caught by the secret police because I've been hanging out on that subversive/. message board again:-)
Since MS Windows runs on 90% or so of the PCs, you can bet that once Windows2001 or whatever won't work on AMD chips because they lack the serial number thing, it'll hurt AMD a heck of a lot more than Microsoft. So, while I do not know anything about them actually announcing to change the EULA, I seriously doubt there would be much that could stop them.
Yes, I know they probably won't remove it.. They know that after a while, nobody will care anymore anyway. They managed to calm down the first wave of protest, and silently continue their crap. Let's just hope AMD won't jump on this bandwagon.
Well, who needs them anyway? Scary thought is imho that I BET that even if it could be turned off for good, how long do you think it would be required by commercial software (windows) to use the serial for copy protection? Customer is in a lose-lose situation. This feature never should have been inmplemented in the first place.
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I don#t think cryptography was explicitely forbidden before. Which makes usage legal anyway. If there had been a law, it would take mroe than a little announcement to make usage of crypto legal.
The govenrment doesn't have to permit me to do anything, it can just make laws against me doing some things. ie, the default for anything is that it's legal unless forbidden by law. Makes sense?
So stating that the announcements constitutes a "permission" is a little overstating things. But it's nice to know where they stand on the crypto issue. That's the big deal about the announcement.
Clearly you have no idea at all about Germany. Boy Scouts here are mostly leftists, hemp-smoking liberals ;-)
Actually, speaking as a German, I am a little surprised, but so far Schroeder has proven to be a very competent Chancellor. They've done quite a few things, including going ahead to join the NATO mission in FRY and stopping the abuse of a certain kind of low income jobs. It's good to see that the change in Government after 16 years of Helmut Kohl brought about at least a few good things.
Nice to see that democracy is working for the benefit of the people, for a change.
Encryption used to be banned in France. They did a 180 degrees a couple of motnhs back.... France is also not a member of Echelon, right?
Coincidence? Methinks not.....
Actually, I think part of the reason for this policy - maybe even THE reason for this new policy- *IS* the Echelon project. Germany is a very close ally of the USA, and would never "severe ties" with the US. At the same time, of course nobody is very hot on the idea of having even friends read their mail... So I think they want to protect themselves against Echelon without creating an official problem.
The text DOES explicitely mention industrial espionage as a serious threat to Germany, and I seriously doubt they meant some small hacker in the duties of the former USSR........
Well, what can I say, Europe rules ;-)
Except for that Great Britain thing, co-owners of Echelon.
Traitors.
I seem to remember there was a case in Germany where a man was sued - anmd lost - for putting up a link to a "bad site". Don't remember if it was libelous, or brutality, or porn, or whateever. Anyway I don't know the outcome of the appeals suit (if that ever happened) and I doubt there was little practical consequence, but the very least you really ought to do in Germany is to put a huge disclaimer next to your external links.
Someone else from Germany have a link for this? It was on heise/c't.
I hope they do.... and we'll then laugh at them.
;-)
Echelon is for losers.
But what would be funny is to see if the US then next puts limits on German crypto software, because there won't be any CIA-Endorsed backdoors built in....
Well, looks like maybe Europe isn't such a bad place to live, afterall. I kinda like our new Government. The old one would've taken the US policy of Encryption Is Bad, you can be sure of that.
But at any rate, let's see if their deeds speak as loudly as their words.
We can only hope.
Hmmm Yes, yesyesyes, this seems to go along VERY nicely with electronic ink. Can you imagine a palmpilot thin as paper? You could even fold it, so it's letter sized or half of letter sized, just a matter of what you need.
Oh damn, I should write 3com.
NASA Scientists are geeks. You gotta love them.
I am in Germany, man. No Futurama here yet for a long time to come. :-(
Don't think it's really junk... think of it as historic artifacts. As soon as we have a colony up there, the old landers, lunochods, and probes will be tourist attractions and hopefully protected as monuments :)
Didn't we just have this topic covered? ;-)
I don't think it's serious.
The Chruch of the Mighty Lamb gave it away.
But it is extremely well made. I almost fell out of my chair, laughing.
I live in Germany and there's problems here too. I've been out of HS for, ah, four years now? Something like that. Anyway yeah there were tensions, there were difficulties. There's drugs and sex and rock'n'roll. There's also weapons.
But it seems that all of it is to a much lesser extent than in the US. Students don't carry guns, usually. Yet(?).
Thinks have deteriorated some even while I was at school. Education budgets get cut, then cut again, then cut even more.
They say that Germany lags behind the US by about 10 years in most respects. Now while we don't do all the mistakes that the Americans do, we sure seem to try hard.
But, no, there's not nearly as many shootings here as over there. I'll be honest though... I am glad I am not in school anymore.
America's once again earning itself a name as having to overdo everything... Maybe it's good I never got around to spend a year in an American HS as I had dreamt of during my HS life (Mainly because I figured it'd be much cooler over there.)
I don't know, I have been pretty much the outsider during Highschool. I did have a small crowd of friends and I never really cared for what others thought of me. Strangely, now after the fact I know there were even some girls who wanted me, which amazes me to no end, but I disgress.
Anyway what I wanted to mention is that while HS here in Germany is not nearly as bad as it must be in a lot of places in the US, the underlying problems are more or less the same. You're either hip or you're not. You have a C64 at home or
you play Wolfenstein on your PC? You are into Gaming and you wear black clothing? Very bad PR, man, very bad.
As I said I did have a couple of good friends in HS, but it seems that over the
years, they moved on. They discovered weed and alcohol. I'm never invited to any parties, and rarely to any birthday parties. It seems that most people just don't even remember to consider inviting me. A couple of months ago I was at a friend's birthday party - invited 24h before the party started, while everybody else had been invited about a motnh in advance - and in all honesty, I just sat there and ate salt sticks and gummi bears. I guess I just don't dig the atmosphere,
the scene. Alcohol, lewd jokes, and the worst picking up I've seen in a while. Some people have no dignity, but it's considered to be "cool".
Yeah I hang out on the net alot. I have friends all over the world. I'm proud of that. I play computer games. I'm wearing glasses. I wear comfortable clothes, not "hip fashion" ones. I still play RPGs when I have the time. My job perks include a $1000/month leased 64k line. My girlfriend is a black girl living in France. I voice my opinions. I'm different. I don't care. I am happy.
There's a lot of people whom I hated in school. I have met only very few of them. I don't miss them at all.
I think this is the single best advice to anybody who's getting harassed before or now after these idiots had to go kill people. Hang in there. Don't let the school violate your rights. Read your law books. Especially the sections covering education. When I stuedied, the teachers usually tried to do all kinds of stuff that was in no way covered by the laws. It works wonders to remind them of that, just make sure you know what you are talking about.
And always, ALWAYS REMEMBER: In real life, brains earns more money and happiness is what you make of life. I know it can be difficult, but don't let others spoil it for you.
Also known as "the maturity level on slashdot reaches new heights".
They probably just figure that if they really lose, they can always appeal and drag the case out for ten years.
Or they've already paid the judge say a hundred million dollars and are laughing their butts off. Hey.. Never know. It's America, afterall.
Then again, maybe I am just too cynical, and it merely proves that, afterall, there is justice in this world.
Nah.
It can't be that easy.
The difference is, how many people have sun or sgi at home? Not many I hear you say? Damn right. How many people have ethernet cards? More, but most "ordinary people" don't have them. And last but not least, while ethernet cards etc are numbered, the idea is not to track and identify people. intel though has said the idea behind their serial is just that. And since the whole serial# idea is nonsense anyway, I think everybody would be better off without them.
Okay, so if you don't care about your privacy, your civil and human rights, why don't you all just move to china, iraq, iran, or one of the other places on the earth just like those?
/. message board again :-)
Just don't come crying to us then when you get gunned down because you don't agree with the party line.
If you allow them to start to take away too much of your freedom, you will eventually have to fight to regain it, and it'll be a very tough uphill battle.
I am not advocating "total freedom", I don't like anarchy at all, but I certainly like not having to worry about getting caught by the secret police because I've been hanging out on that subversive
Since MS Windows runs on 90% or so of the PCs, you can bet that once Windows2001 or whatever won't work on AMD chips because they lack the serial number thing, it'll hurt AMD a heck of a lot more than Microsoft. So, while I do not know anything about them actually announcing to change the EULA, I seriously doubt there would be much that could stop them.
Yes, I know they probably won't remove it.. They know that after a while, nobody will care anymore anyway. They managed to calm down the first wave of protest, and silently continue their crap.
Let's just hope AMD won't jump on this bandwagon.
Well, who needs them anyway? Scary thought is imho that I BET that even if it could be turned off for good, how long do you think it would be required by commercial software (windows) to use the serial for copy protection? Customer is in a lose-lose situation. This feature never should have been inmplemented in the first place.