I used the first corel filemanager on debian 2.2. I had problems with dependencies with other qt1g dependent packages. I could not seem to install both debian and corel qt, or all programs compiled against qt1 to work togther. I ended up making changes to/var/lib/dpkg/status file to allow things to install together. This did not help much. I am yet to try the newer version. Perhaps compiling the corel kde stuff against the debian qt libs would be the answer to getting it working. As far as wether or not it is worth the time, if your users are "windows users" then they will be much happier using corel, however i found the filemanager to be rather buggy for the first release.
only if you are upgrading from slink to potato etc. if you get the slink cds then "update" online the number of packages updated is generally very few.
well i think the last thing to happen is the govt has gone forward with requesting all "r rated" andover content to be removed off all australian sites, but there is still legal access to r rated content and over on overseas sites. Until they figure out how to firewall and filter the whole country i guess. Slowly but surely wins the race?
wouldnt ipsec be nicer? There are also some blowfish patches available for frees/wan ipsec, and then again ssleay libs are originally from here in australia so imsure we could always use those instead. i just hate the thought of getting people into the habit of using pppd mppe and mschap thru msvpn on thier windows boxes. With the MS NSA keys im sure the Au govt would alrady have that covered as part of echelon... what do you reckon?;)
unless of course the people who are seeign the "advertising" decide that such a company should not be dealt with in any way. alot of people reading slashdot are probably people with the ability to influence the buying of a large number of companies and by realising which companies have a blatent disregard for fairness is only going to help bringing about their ruin. if you do not advertise such things then it will continue to happen
>The NSA would want and could get their own special edition. >this functionality would have been publicized. >Completely secret (private special edition) or >completely public (hey, kids, try to break >this!) makes sense, but this intermediate state >does not. I think your missing the point. the idea behind the paranoia is that nsa's public key would be stored on your computer and not be "publisised" as the debug symbols for it were never previously relesased except in only 1 service pack. Only then is it possible to see the name of the key in the first place. While the debug key was previously released for the "first" key not labled as being the NSAKEY (according to a previous post) This means the NSA could potentially encrypt information with their public key stored on your computer and send it back to them so they can decode it with the private key which only they would have. And this could possibly be sent back to ms "somehow" possibly (see information i gathered which was sent by someone to NTBUGTRAQ recently) using something most peiople wouldnt be looking for carefully like multicasting data, which presently is sent out by windows both during windows install and afterwards to MICROSOFT-DS.MCAST.NET. This has also been noticed by others in winnt4 Also if the data being sent out would then be encrypted so you would not know what is being sent. this is obviously at the far realms of paranoia but jiust because you/i am paranoid does not mean that it is not warranted meridian me@tha.net
it doesnt really matter if the operating system you are using is already backdoored. wouldnt be hard for anyone to load a keystroke sniffer. btw i noticed this in my samba logs after trying to install win2k rc1. anyone know what it is? localhost > ALL-ROUTERS.MCAST.NET: icmp: router solicitation localhost > ALL-SBMS.MCAST.NET: igmp nreport ALL-SBMS.MCAST.NET [ttl 1] localhost > MICROSOFT-DS.MCAST.NET: igmp nreport MICROSOFT-DS.MCAST.NET [ttl 1] localhost > MICROSOFT-DS.MCAST.NET.42: udp 19 localhost > ALL-ROUTERS.MCAST.NET: igmp leave ALL-SBMS.MCAST.NET [ttl 1]
i believe ttssh was developed in australia what parts of ssh are actually developed and therefore non-exportable from usa.. is it the rsa authentication routines?
nearly any system is likely to be able to be compromised. with this in mind would the only answer be to not trust any system and always use encryption and backup data in more than 1 place. i dont think the main problem with hotmail is its security but its potential lack of privacy which could come about in more forms than simply someone breaking into your email account.
I think the idea is to avoid this problem in some ways. From what i read he was saying that your program could possible not rely on any one library but could be developed so it could use an available library that an interface had been written by you for your application. while there may be extra work involved at the start if you plan to keep your application working with possible the "best" libraries for it at the time, building this functionality in at the start elivates many headaches later
but i guess if an answer is to write in library portibility, what would the best way to do this be
On their page of FUD the have a refernce down the bottom pointing to Linux Weekly News to look at the security issues. Any stupid person would think the fact that all these vulnerablities that are told to us on the www.lwn.net site are a good example of Linux's/unix's insecure status. that is complete BULLSHIT. While all operating systems have holes, the best security is a well informed admin. MS dont tell there users SHIT about the MS vulnerabilites, and anyone with an iota of a clue knows that hackers dont really on the vendors posts to find out about security issues. By the time the vendor finds out of the insecurity then the "fun" is over. But then we are talking about microsoft vs linux here. Who was it that came out with a teardrop patch in hours after the issue was known... Linux. Who took MONTHS, let me repeat that... MONTHS to fix this problem. Gee i think it was MICROSOFT.
I think everyone here knows what this is about. Corperates pulling the wool over our eyes. Well UNFORTUNATELY thats a little harder to do to a world wide connected community.
Alot of people use MS products, I admit to it. But who runs the worlds biggest Email service in the world? Microsoft. What do THEY run it on? Solaris, Apache, Perl and Qmail. Fairly obvious what scales better.... MS or Unix?
someone mentioned below pfe saves as unix format. I was just gonna say homesite does as well and is argueably the best html editor out there. I use samba to connect to my unix machine, and the control over file permissions etc withing the smb.conf is great. I havent tried using windows networking voer anything less than a local lan tho.
> So far I've seen two types of comments: > a) Everything thats not plaintext sucks! > b) Use HomeSite! > c) Use Dreamweaver!
Um from where i come from that is three:) Well from what i have toyed with dreamweaver and homesite look pretty nice.
What i am wondering though is a programs involved in web site management for during and afterthe site is built. Something that "assesses" your pages links and total page sizes etc. I believe linkbot might? Webtrends is a simple tool for looking trying to see if anyone is actually hitting your site. What other tools of high quality such as these exist?
As for the "frontpage sux" arguement, i actually think the site management and layout ability of frontpage is very good, it is simply a pity that MS have to put so much CRAP along with the good features to cripple "real" html if u know what im saying. But if you are a windows user who doesnt care, wants wysiwyg and is going to use an NT server ANYWAY then u might try frontpage. Personally i do my best to steer clear of it;)
Recently a film was also censored which showed the problem of pedifilia (sp?) which exists, and how a man is sexually attracted to his step daughter. While no sex occured in the movie (i believe) they censored it anyway to "protect us" even though the film was censored in no other countries i know of. Sorry forgot the name. Of course I always hear about books getting sensored. Basically any movie or book that raises an eyebrow by some stupid minority ends up getting censored it seems.
Well I liked living here. But im starting to wonder. John Howard and his GST, trying to screw more money out of those who already make less money. I saw an analysis of his propsed GST showing how much better off the rich are and how much worse off those buying basic necessities are. The class tampons and ladies pads etc as luxury items, and tax these accordingly and lots of other rediculous crap. CD's here are $30, and a basic new computer will cost you 2500 to 3000 for a not too extravagent one. We already pay alot to live here, they keep bringing in "people with money" from overseas to help raise our economy supposedly. This only seems to push those of of here into "cheaper" accomidation as prices skyrocket. And yet of course the goverment is still not happy. We have high unemployment, and the while the goverment still pays benfits to "elderly" who may have lived here for two years 20 years ago then moved back to china, they are cutting out unemployment benifits. The amount of poeople living on the streets keeps increasing, but they move more people with money in from overseas. And NOW THIS! They are going to censor the net, not for votes, not for anything but for their own greed. This cant happen.
"Let's say, for discussion, they are equally scalable," he said. "And let's assume applications are available for both, and setup time is the same. Given all these factors as equal, the best you could hope for is about the same cost per transaction between servers."
Exactly what is this guy on about? Does he mean each e-commerce transaction or what? More Microsoft Fud, and ZDNet seem to publish tonnes of this shit happily lately. Obviously they are part of the Microsoft Brainwashing Team. They make typical claims of no application support, and lack of integration and consistancy. OK say maybe all X programs bring up the same Dialog box for opening files, but neither does windows.
MS give the example that users want to be able to paste a spreadsheet graph into word, and that if linux cant do that then it cant be as good as Windows. This is obviously Fud aimed at desktop users who are using bloatware like MS Office.
Its obvious MS are out to brainwash us all into believing their shit, but unfortunately I think the Media's ability at brainwashing the entire earth population with their commercial money scamming crap just isnt going to work on me:)
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I used the first corel filemanager on debian 2.2. I had problems with dependencies with other qt1g dependent packages. I could not seem to install both debian and corel qt, or all programs compiled against qt1 to work togther. I ended up making changes to /var/lib/dpkg/status file to allow things to install together. This did not help much. I am yet to try the newer version. Perhaps compiling the corel kde stuff against the debian qt libs would be the answer to getting it working. As far as wether or not it is worth the time, if your users are "windows users" then they will be much happier using corel, however i found the filemanager to be rather buggy for the first release.
only if you are upgrading from slink to potato etc. if you get the slink cds then "update" online the number of packages updated is generally very few.
well i think the last thing to happen is the govt has gone forward with requesting all "r rated" andover content to be removed off all australian sites, but there is still legal access to r rated content and over on overseas sites. Until they figure out how to firewall and filter the whole country i guess. Slowly but surely wins the race?
i thought the shroud was found to be false?
Well in Oz we might be swiming in beurocratic shit by you yanks are going to be swimming in the real stuff huh? :)
wouldnt ipsec be nicer? There are also some blowfish patches available for frees/wan ipsec, and then again ssleay libs are originally from here in australia so imsure we could always use those instead. i just hate the thought of getting people into the habit of using pppd mppe and mschap thru msvpn on thier windows boxes. With the MS NSA keys im sure the Au govt would alrady have that covered as part of echelon... what do you reckon? ;)
unless of course the people who are seeign the "advertising" decide that such a company should not be dealt with in any way. alot of people reading slashdot are probably people with the ability to influence the buying of a large number of companies and by realising which companies have a blatent disregard for fairness is only going to help bringing about their ruin. if you do not advertise such things then it will continue to happen
>The NSA would want and could get their own special edition. >this functionality would have been publicized. >Completely secret (private special edition) or >completely public (hey, kids, try to break >this!) makes sense, but this intermediate state >does not. I think your missing the point. the idea behind the paranoia is that nsa's public key would be stored on your computer and not be "publisised" as the debug symbols for it were never previously relesased except in only 1 service pack. Only then is it possible to see the name of the key in the first place. While the debug key was previously released for the "first" key not labled as being the NSAKEY (according to a previous post) This means the NSA could potentially encrypt information with their public key stored on your computer and send it back to them so they can decode it with the private key which only they would have. And this could possibly be sent back to ms "somehow" possibly (see information i gathered which was sent by someone to NTBUGTRAQ recently) using something most peiople wouldnt be looking for carefully like multicasting data, which presently is sent out by windows both during windows install and afterwards to MICROSOFT-DS.MCAST.NET. This has also been noticed by others in winnt4 Also if the data being sent out would then be encrypted so you would not know what is being sent. this is obviously at the far realms of paranoia but jiust because you/i am paranoid does not mean that it is not warranted meridian me@tha.net
it doesnt really matter if the operating system you are using is already backdoored. wouldnt be hard for anyone to load a keystroke sniffer. btw i noticed this in my samba logs after trying to install win2k rc1. anyone know what it is? localhost > ALL-ROUTERS.MCAST.NET: icmp: router solicitation localhost > ALL-SBMS.MCAST.NET: igmp nreport ALL-SBMS.MCAST.NET [ttl 1] localhost > MICROSOFT-DS.MCAST.NET: igmp nreport MICROSOFT-DS.MCAST.NET [ttl 1] localhost > MICROSOFT-DS.MCAST.NET.42: udp 19 localhost > ALL-ROUTERS.MCAST.NET: igmp leave ALL-SBMS.MCAST.NET [ttl 1]
i believe ttssh was developed in australia what parts of ssh are actually developed and therefore non-exportable from usa.. is it the rsa authentication routines?
nearly any system is likely to be able to be compromised. with this in mind would the only answer be to not trust any system and always use encryption and backup data in more than 1 place. i dont think the main problem with hotmail is its security but its potential lack of privacy which could come about in more forms than simply someone breaking into your email account.
I think the idea is to avoid this problem in some ways. From what i read he was saying that your program could possible not rely on any one library but could be developed so it could use an available library that an interface had been written by you for your application. while there may be extra work involved at the start if you plan to keep your application working with possible the "best" libraries for it at the time, building this functionality in at the start elivates many headaches later
but i guess if an answer is to write in library portibility, what would the best way to do this be
On their page of FUD the have a refernce down the bottom pointing to Linux Weekly News to look at the security issues. Any stupid person would think the fact that all these vulnerablities that are told to us on the www.lwn.net site are a good example of Linux's/unix's insecure status. that is complete BULLSHIT. While all operating systems have holes, the best security is a well informed admin. MS dont tell there users SHIT about the MS vulnerabilites, and anyone with an iota of a clue knows that hackers dont really on the vendors posts to find out about security issues. By the time the vendor finds out of the insecurity then the "fun" is over. But then we are talking about microsoft vs linux here. Who was it that came out with a teardrop patch in hours after the issue was known... Linux. Who took MONTHS, let me repeat that... MONTHS to fix this problem. Gee i think it was MICROSOFT.
I think everyone here knows what this is about. Corperates pulling the wool over our eyes. Well UNFORTUNATELY thats a little harder to do to a world wide connected community.
Alot of people use MS products, I admit to it. But who runs the worlds biggest Email service in the world? Microsoft. What do THEY run it on? Solaris, Apache, Perl and Qmail. Fairly obvious what scales better.... MS or Unix?
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someone mentioned below pfe saves as unix format. I was just gonna say homesite does as well and is argueably the best html editor out there.
I use samba to connect to my unix machine, and the control over file permissions etc withing the smb.conf is great. I havent tried using windows networking voer anything less than a local lan tho.
> So far I've seen two types of comments:
:)
;)
> a) Everything thats not plaintext sucks!
> b) Use HomeSite!
> c) Use Dreamweaver!
Um from where i come from that is three
Well from what i have toyed with dreamweaver and homesite look pretty nice.
What i am wondering though is a programs involved in web site management for during and afterthe site is built. Something that "assesses" your pages links and total page sizes etc. I believe linkbot might? Webtrends is a simple tool for looking trying to see if anyone is actually hitting your site. What other tools of high quality such as these exist?
As for the "frontpage sux" arguement, i actually think the site management and layout ability of frontpage is very good, it is simply a pity that MS have to put so much CRAP along with the good features to cripple "real" html if u know what im saying. But if you are a windows user who doesnt care, wants wysiwyg and is going to use an NT server ANYWAY then u might try frontpage. Personally i do my best to steer clear of it
Recently a film was also censored which showed the problem of pedifilia (sp?) which exists, and how a man is sexually attracted to his step daughter. While no sex occured in the movie (i believe) they censored it anyway to "protect us" even though the film was censored in no other countries i know of. Sorry forgot the name. Of course I always hear about books getting sensored. Basically any movie or book that raises an eyebrow by some stupid minority ends up getting censored it seems.
Well I liked living here. But im starting to wonder. John Howard and his GST, trying to screw more money out of those who already make less money. I saw an analysis of his propsed GST showing how much better off the rich are and how much worse off those buying basic necessities are. The class tampons and ladies pads etc as luxury items, and tax these accordingly and lots of other rediculous crap. CD's here are $30, and a basic new computer will cost you 2500 to 3000 for a not too extravagent one. We already pay alot to live here, they keep bringing in "people with money" from overseas to help raise our economy supposedly. This only seems to push those of of here into "cheaper" accomidation as prices skyrocket. And yet of course the goverment is still not happy. We have high unemployment, and the while the goverment still pays benfits to "elderly" who may have lived here for two years 20 years ago then moved back to china, they are cutting out unemployment benifits. The amount of poeople living on the streets keeps increasing, but they move more people with money in from overseas. And NOW THIS! They are going to censor the net, not for votes, not for anything but for their own greed. This cant happen.
"Let's say, for discussion, they are equally scalable," he said. "And let's assume applications are available for both, and setup time is the same. Given all these factors as equal, the best you could hope for is about the same cost per transaction between servers."
:)
Exactly what is this guy on about? Does he mean each e-commerce transaction or what? More Microsoft Fud, and ZDNet seem to publish tonnes of this shit happily lately. Obviously they are part of the Microsoft Brainwashing Team. They make typical claims of no application support, and lack of integration and consistancy. OK say maybe all X programs bring up the same Dialog box for opening files, but neither does windows.
MS give the example that users want to be able to paste a spreadsheet graph into word, and that if linux cant do that then it cant be as good as Windows. This is obviously Fud aimed at desktop users who are using bloatware like MS Office.
Its obvious MS are out to brainwash us all into believing their shit, but unfortunately I think the Media's ability at brainwashing the entire earth population with their commercial money scamming crap just isnt going to work on me
You could always try configuring a combination of fetchmail, a procmail filter and imap folders with imp or pine :)