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Qualcomm to drop Eudora? Is Open Source possible?
Chris Halsall writes "
Mac OS Rumors is reporting
that Qualcomm is likely
to sell off or simply shutdown their
Eudora e-mail client
division because of poor financial performance out of the
group.
How to do you compete with free e-mail systems included
with every web browser? You don't, which is why a buyer is
unlikely.
My question is would Qualcomm consider "doing a Netscape" and
release the code under OpenSource? This would allow the
client to continue to evolve without their expending
resources, and they could continue to use the upgraded
client in their own applications. Win-win."
The article is down the page. Since the submission, Mac OS Rumors
has reported that pressure from Microsoft is also involved.
The best GUI mail client I could find in
X was Netscape Messenger. There are many others
but I always dared to hope that Eduora would
one day find it's merry way into Linuxville.
I used to use eudora a LOT. it was the best. Until 4.0, it was so bloated, slow, and filled with useless features that I longed for popmail. It also came with a bunch of useless 3rd party apps to further waste my diskspace. good riddance.
And then, the Mozilla team could integrate Eudora into the browser, everything open source. They can't do this with the current mail client because of some library restrictions. That could lead to a very sexy set-up.
We can only hope, I guess.
Eudora is by far the best Email client around right now in my opinion. I've sent them several emails in the past asking for a Linux port... mmmm
...
Free Eudora would be onest of the most rad things possible. Why would Eudora drop it though? What other worthwhile products do they make? I really don't see why companies ditch their GOOD software at the request of Microsoft...but if Microsoft is involved it is unlikely that we will see an open source version.
aint qualcomm in bed with Microsoft. Microsofts partner in pushing windows into celluar phones.
I bet we will see bluescreens and crashes on our Microsoft[tm] celluar phones in a near future.
If everyone took a moment to write to Qualcomm and asked them to consider a Netscape style opensourcing (GPL seems unlikely to happen)... I wonder what would happen....
/. effect!!!!
Eudora Suggestions emailbox (eudora-suggest@qualcomm.com)
GO GO
Actually, Qualcomm makes most of their money from hawking cell phones. The $ they get from Eudora is like petty cash or snack money.
Free, yes. Open Source, no. No way to adapt it to your own needs, or add the features (filtering, etc.) of the Pro version.
I say that since the e-mail client in Netscape sucks soooo bad, AOL/Netscape should buy eudora and integrate it into Netscape (open sourced of course!)
what do you all think about that?
The MacOSRumors.com site claims that Qualcomm has abandoned the PalmOS for WindowsCE for their upcoming phones. This is not true; both are under development.
See http://www.qualcomm.com/pdQ.
I mailed Qualcomm a few days ago to see how the phone was progressing - yes, I got a form letter, but still, they claim it is on the way (first half of 1999).
Microsoft did not create evil -- they merely
"embraced and extended" it. By the way,
we forgot to put like "tm" symbols next to
the word "evil" -- Microsoft's lawyers
may be contacting us about that soon.
It's simple, really.
Yes, there are a lot of Microsoft-paranoid people out there, and it is *because* Microsoft really is behind every bad thing that happens.
Meanwhile I'm going to continue with Emailer until it Type 1's into oblivion!
At least my Ericsson doesn't saying anything about Qualcomm anywhere on it. Just says made in the US from US and imported parts.
Good thing, too. I'd hate to think I couldn't get a digital phone without WinCE.
Yep, I work in the infrastructure div at Qualcomm.
The macintouch web site also reported this rumor today. However, Ric Ford (who runs this site) reports that some of his sources indicate that this rumor is false. I check out both macintouch and macosrumors, and have come to the conclusion that I have more trust macintouch.
/.) is still brewing (reeking?). The poor guy is still trying and still failing!
BTW, the ongoing Mac/Bell Atlantic ADSL saga (reported on the macintouch site and commented here at
To Ric Ford: Great job! Keep up the good work.
yes, Microsoft *is* evil.
Have you heard Vatican is considering chaning
the Devil Image. What do you think it will be
changed to? Got it?
As a postmaster for Qualcomm, I'd probably be rather annoyed, in an amused kind of way. But
I will pass it along to someone I know if that
division.
Microsoft gave my grandmother cancer.
Must everything that happens in this industry be blamed on the invisible "Hand of Bill"? Face it guys, software has a limited shelf life. Unless it continues to be fed and watered (new users and new features) then it will die.
We need an X-Files type site, where each and every paranoid rant of the ABM crowd is dissected down to the root cause.
Qualcomm's profits come from digital communication *devices* these days. MS is working on integration of digital communication, Windows communication and device communication. So as an MS Partner Developer, if Qualcomm wants to avoid being destroyed by MS in the digital communications market, they gotta play ball in the software market. Apparently, MS is planning to kill all e-mail alternative software on the Win platform. But remember, they're *not* a monopoly and they'd never give away something to kill the competition...
Qualcom joins the long list of those uncovering the real truth that Commercially Open Source only works for a very, very small number of companies.
Making Eudora OSS makes the problem WORSE, not better. Convince Qualcomm that they can compete, not demand that they fork over the code.
When will you communist, free-loading OSS dorks get it into your heads that OSS represents a real financial threat to the entire Industry. Bet the Eudora developers are REAL glad that they have been put out of work by the everything-must-be-free bigots.
OSS works for the egotists, those exploiting the naivety of the developers and a very small number of companies.
Never mind, you wont be smiling when IBM, Dell, Compaq and the rest run Linux distribution the way *THEY* want it run.
Microsoft are perfectly safe while this is going on. OSS sends the clear message that there it kills Commercial Opportunity and Microsoft comes over as providing products that you can make money from.
Oh well, like Communisum, the OSS trend will die its death and we will put the likes of Eric Raymond & Co in the same grouping as Stalin, Lenin and the rest.
If Qualcomm released Eudora 4 open source I wouldn't be too thrilled because I dislike Eudora 4 almost as much as I dislike Outlook Express. Eudora 3, on the other hand, just plain rules!
They already give away a free version of Eudora 3, why not go the next step? Free the source!
They want to sell more NT servers with MS Exchange. If everyone is used to one client (Outlook Express), then many IT departments will buy the server that integrates with the client everyone uses. Also, MS hates standards-based protocols. They want everyone to run their proprietary junk. Eudora is completely standards based and therefore files in the face of the mighty M$!
Eudora 1.3 used to be the greatest program ever made (for Mac). 2.0 was nice. 3.0 was bloated. 4.0 was an affront.
Eudora started on the Mac and by the time 4.0 was released it was shit when compared to the PC version. It didn't even support IMAP. What serious email client doesn't support IMAP?!?
No, Eudora set the bar and then could never live up to it due to their own arrogance. Bye-bye Eudora, no sadness here.
Do you guys trust MacOSRumors to give you news? Those guys run one the most unprofessional, update whenever they feel like it, wanna be BIG sites.
Maybe you can get a clearer picture of whats going on at: http://macweek.zdnet.com/1999/01/24/qualcomm.html
bu then again its zdnet so its only one step up from the filth at macosrumors.
Didn't Eudora used to be freely-available many yeras ago until the authors/creators sold out to Qualcomm?
I can't believe that all of you would be linux geeks care about Eudroa.
mutt is the greatest email client of all time. mutt, in and of itself, is sufficient reason to run linux instead of an ms os.
The whole point of an open source is that we could FIX it, give it the power of mutt, the features of the other emailer you like, etc...
Netscape didn't open source the email section of netscape communicator, so a good _GUI_ email program would be a nice addition.
Hell yeah, if they don't it's not a big deal, but a nice code base like that would be a fun starting point...
I liked (and use) Eudora Light 3.0... and Yes, 4.0 sucks for the most part, it's bloated and ugly... but it also added some missing features that a modern email program needs.
- as qualcomm has gotten a lot of good publicity from eudora, they owe us at least an NPL style license
related: the split-pane interface for mail sucks!
Maybe the best widely known one.
I use PMMail (http://www.southsoft.com) and when I hopped on my friend's machine to use Eudora, my first thought was
"THIS is the standard e-mail client in Windows? This is a clunky piece of..."
Yeah, I tried old and new versions, it's still not as elegant as PMMail or Jstreet Mailer in my opinion.
. . . eudora was unlikely to be ported to linux anyway, so if yr using it for windows, just keep using it. i'm still using v3 of paintshop pro, 'cause v4 shat all over my registry, changed the
death to the upgrade treadmill!
-- vernal vorpal vardebedian
-- vvv@venivedivici.com
If it doesnt ask its because you ahve IE3 or 4 preinstalled already like with Win95b. It's looknig for the mshtml.dll file. If you have it, then you have IE whether you know it or not and it wont ask.
When will you communist, free-loading
we're not free-loading, you miserable toad, we're free-CONTRIBUTING -- and you're an unemployed gas-pumper who sits on his fat ass eating acorns off the ground and masturbating to a picture of Alan Greenspan.
OSS dorks get it into your heads that OSS represents a real financial threat to the entire Industry.
we got it into our heads a long time ago, you twit, and we're happy as can be about it. the industry needs a good swift kick in the balls. so do you; should you ever obtain any balls, please let us know so we can administer the treatment promptly. oh, and by the way, since we're such fun-lovin', groovy, doob-suckin' free software cats, we won't even send you a bill. it'll be absolutely free of charge.
when you're done soiling yourself and throwing it at us, please bathe. really. i can smell it from here.
Let's see: 1.) Microsoft announces strategic partnership with Apple and Apple then folds in it's subsidiary Claris and kills Claris' popular EMailer package. 2.) Microsoft now is getting Qualcomm to dump it's email package. 3.) Microsoft's bloated Outlook package just keeps getting bigger, handling more than just mail but your calender and scheduling. 4.) Microsoft and most of the rest of the industry now realize he eaney on the web is in portals.
I received an insight into what direction I think Microsoft is going with this. Imagine making a flight reservation on Microsofts web site. Imagine that reservation gets automatically entered into your electronic schedule and having a reminder emailed to you the day before your flight. Imagine scheduling dentist appointments, etc, in a simular fashion, through Microsoft's web portal of course. Imagine friends, neighbors, and co-workers being able to access your schedule (with your permission of course) and you thiers, and being able to update one-another's automatically without playing email or phone tag. Imagine this working with a wide variety of non-Microsoft products. Now forget that last part entirely and imagine paying Microsoft for the privilege of doing any of the above. That's just what's going to happen if Microsoft is able to drive out all of the alternative commercial email and organizer packages. The thought of this scares me to hell, and unless someone creates an open standard to do any of these things soon, it may happen.
How much in royalties will you pay Bill today?
Gyre
if you are going to call slashdot a "news" site.. that means you are not allowed to print anything you got from macosrumors.
macosrumors is not "news". macosrumors is not even close to "news". it is also very rarely accurate.
shoulda waited until you got this from a semi-reliable source. it's probably completely untrue.
Whats wrong with "mail"?
Love the cmd line look and feel...
You and me both, and I work there.
I'd love to see a Linux port -- Fetchmail and Pine don't compare in my book. There was some shenanigans about porting to Linux a few years ago, but the end result just didn't work that well.
There is talk of a new Linux porting effort inside QC every once in a while, but the idea never gets too far off the ground. Qualcomm is in business to make money, and can't spare the resources needed to get a Eudora Linux client running. There are bigger fish to fry.
-Bill
That's terrific news. I can't seem to get a release date out of Qualcomm, and I'd like to get a cell phone ASAP, but it sure would be nice to combine it with my Pilot... and it's nice to hear the project isn't dead.
Any idea on the price range?
Exactly.
One of the conditions of the deal HAD to be stop competing with M$ Outlook.
Micro$oft won't do a deal without an anti-compete clause.
XML is bitchin.
Pray that the file system standard takes XML to heart and mandates all config files be in this format.
can you imagine...one set of objects that can do all persistent storage, configuration stuff, etc?
They castrated almost all IT managers and
told them NOT to listen to their
technologist.
Locutus
doesn't mean it ain't true. Let's take a little tour through history, shall we?
1) CP/M ruled intel cpus. Billgatus got lucky when Gary Kildall refused to deal with IBM. Luck.
2) Later, when DRDOS was catching on, M$ released a hack that made it look like Win3.1 was failing due to "foreign software". This is the basis of Caldera's suit. MS later co-opted many of DRDOS' advantages, like booting easily into different configurations (gaming, business, etc).
3) DOS 4. Companies that do that shouldn't continue. Later, ditto for DOS 6.
4) Deal with Stac allowing MS to see, but not copy, their file system compression code. After copying the code, M$ ties Stac up in a lengthy legal battle. Their product is destroyed, since the stolen "M$" Stac code comes now comes free with DOS. M$ settles out of court at the last minute. Stac has a nice building in San Diego; I was there a couple months ago. They don't appear to sell much of anything, though.
5) Win95. Billgatus demoted/fired several product managers during it's development. He could be heard screaming at the failed demos "IT DOESN'T
LOOK LIKE THE MAC!!!"
6) M$ was terrified of Borland and Delphi, which were taking a lot of IT business away from VB. They targeted Anders Helsjborg; Chief Architect of Delphi. First they offered him something like $500K/year. Borland matched it. It rose to something like $6M over a few years time. Borland couldn't compete with that. Anders is now Chief Architect of Visual Studio
7) M$ still wanted to kill Borland. So, they rented the top floor of a hotel near Borland's complex, and canvased Borland's engineering staff with phone calls stating that "M$ is having a free advanced technology fair at this hotel. Come on down" When Borland's enginnering staff arrived, they found a recruiting center. Many of Borland's top employees were hired away. Borland sues M$, who eventually settled out of court. Borland is now Inprise, and returned to profitability shortly after the settlement.
Epilogue:
Finally, it looks like our government will step in to end the madness. Sun's Java appears safe now, and it is a wonderful technology.
Anyone else find the M$ defense that "Linux is free and growing" kind of pathetic? Last time I checked, you are tried for you past behavior, not your possible future. And besides, Linux is a very small percentage of the market.
Euudora only tries to install IE if you are using win*, nd I know how to remedy that. That's your fault and M$ (M$ becaus there are likely restrictions that if certain .dll's are used IE has to be there)
Amen, brother.
Ain't seen no email client even comes _close_ to mutt's features. Looks great for a text based client, and takes a _little_ bit of learning to discover the power & flexiblity.
Well, if they shut down Eudora anyway, and can't sell it, why not make the code free?
It costs them nothing, and they lose little, as they wouldn't get much money selling the Pegasus code to another company.
OTOH they get a lot of good press, which is maybe worth more than the code itself.
Why do Microsoft want rid of Eudora ? ...
Once it is Gone
Pegasus and Netscape will by the Competition
Pmail is used in lots of Netware shops
so Microsoft can't get to it ( yet )
Once Eudora is gone Micro$oft can Embrace and Extend SMTP
anyone for installing Exchange so their customers won't get an error (think Dr DOS and Winblows 3.1)
Eudora's .mbx-files are Unix compatible e-mail files. I use my old mbx-files with kmail these days, works perfectly (except that kmail lacks support for mailbox folders :( )
haakon@nilsen.com
: The Qualcomm Cell phones don't run WINCE. They run proprietary software
:-)
Unghmppfft? I hope you are not implying
that WINCE is non-proprietary?
The domain was created by qualcomm in Sept '98.
Hopefully that is a good sign for OS.
IE4 has the ablity to create a hosted window in other applications. This document.object.window is used by MS apps, Quicken, Eudora, Homesite and many other applications. In the words of Allaire (the people who make homesite) "If Netscape offered that feature, we would use it".
Eudora uses this because it is A LOT easier and A LOT faster then designing thier own HTML rendering system in their email app.
I continue to use Eudora because I have multiple POP server to access. As I am switching to Linux,
this is a problem. Netscape doesn't and is an utter turkey on Linux. I may have a different e-mail client for each POP server. An interesting way to force myself to try out several e-mail clients. And get forty-eleven mail archives, sigh.
too lazy to setup an account from a employer address I am about to lose.
Man, it would be great to finally have a nice email program for linux.
PMail interface is one of the ugliest things i've seen.
And its got its own wacky file format which likes to get corrupted far too often.
On the other hand Eudora has an easy to use interface, with Unix mailbox format files.
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2196 689,00.html
I hope they do this! I told them to port Eudora to Linux, maybe this will happen now!
Check out the qpopper web page -- there is a new 3.0 beta going on now.
SEGV wrote:
Are you insane? You think running something like mozilla.org can be done without expending resources? That they can through their source to the wind and reap the returns for free?
They obviously don't have to put as much work into it as Netscapes Mozilla effort. In fact they don't have to put any work into it for me to be happy. Just a simple GPL or public domain release of the current source tree as it stands. They don't even have to distribute it, someone else I'm sure gladly will. Eudora is a good program that would be even better as Open Source (and far worse as dumped in the history bin)
Of course, if they want to put as much effort into it as Netscape does Mozilla, that would be excellent too.
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Open mind, insert foot.
With 4.1, you get mail checking and filtering in the background. The filtering is serious - I'm on about 15 mailing lists, I have six POP accounts on three different servers and I have 18 Eudora mailboxes to handle it, and it handles it beautifully. I have it playing different sounds each time mail comes in from certain mailing lists, so I'm alerted to various things going on during the day.
I NEED the bloat features to do what I do. I need multiple mail personalities, color-coded labels, and quick-sorting by subject, author, or date. I need it to automatically expand nicknames into real addresses.
I guess if you just get 10 messages a day from your friends, you don't need that kind of thing, but I can't work without it anymore.
me too, but they never bothered to reply. Not even a formletter or an acknowledgement. That's not how you treat customers.
- illuminaut, arbiter elegantiarum.
Why must they run the internal testing?
If it's good 'nuff to release the binary, shouldn't it be good enough to release the source? Mozilla was released in an unusable state... seen anyone calling Netscape's programmers sloppy?
Posted by WebGuy:
I'm still trying to decide if Microsoft really is behind every bad thing that happens in this world, or there are just a lot of Microsoft-paranoid people out there.
--
Chris Stoffel
Webmaster - Positively Pixar
Posted by Sam Robertson:
Eudora is hideous. Ever setup multiple mail boxes in this thing? I used it when there was nothing else around, but it was garbage then, and still is (IMO).
Speaking of mail clients... Outlook Express is a complete disaster, and Netscape Communicator doesn't support multiple pop3 mail boxes, so I still see a market out there for a good mail client (at least for those that need one for Windoze).
I have Eudora Pro 4.0, Cornell has a full site license for it.
I do NOT have IE4 on this system!
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
Nope. I never had that happen. It said absolutely nothing. And I would've noticed the bloat in the SALSA update. (Cornell has a really nice software update system.)
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
According to the Qualcomm web site, Eudora has 18 million email users worldwide
Qualcomm
And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make
Really nice email program, though.
PMMail
They do a lot more then just Eudora and Cell phones. Those are the two products they are best known for. Check out their web page sometime. Looks like they do a lot with various communication technologies.
I don't think they could've bought Qualcomm stadium with just the money they make off Eudora.
Freeing Eudora would be really cool. Maybe they could start a trend were companies free their source when they drop a product.
Later,
Xamot
?
...That well-known colloquialism. ;-/
I use Mutt at work and Eudora on my Mac at home. You're comparing apples to oranges. I love mutt but...if you just want to read mail rather than configure how to read it, Eudora is very, very, very nice. Linux could use a GUI client that's so elegant and simple, particularly if it is to pay more than lip-service to the idea of user-friendliness.
Ade_
/
Big Bubbles (no troubles) - what sucks, who sucks and you suck
Are you insane? You think running something like mozilla.org can be done without expending resources? That they can through their source to the wind and reap the returns for free?
That statement was obviously made without thought or consideration.
--
Marc A. Lepage
Software Developer
Once you've got all the money you could ever possibly want, what do you do for an encore?
Kill off your competition, that's what.
It doesn't matter whether Eudora poses a threat to Microsoft's bottom line or not. Eudora poses a threat to Microsoft's "mindshare", and that's bad enough.
I have no idea whether MS is behind this or not; this is mere speculation based on somebody else's rumour.
-Mars
Dude, you have no idea what your talking about.
Putting anybody in the same group as Stalin and Lenin is just insane. Stalin was the asshole who butchered anybody who stood in his way. He killed thousands of his own people. The guy was bad news.
How you are putting OSS people and communists is just unrealistic. OSS is just basically about sharing code and having a free exchange of ideas. It has nothing to do with political dogma.
sri
Like the ZDNet article states, Qualcomm is probably going to kill the Eudora Planner and just take the Now Software buyout as a mistake.
A lot of sources at Qualcomm are reporting that getting rid of Eudora (the email client) is hogwash. I tend to agree, based on my experience with the Eudora people.
I am somewhat biased/knowledable. I help out with http://www.emailman.com/eudora/ and I maintain the comp.mail.eudora.mac FAQ at http://www.ka.net/eudora/faqs/).
- (c) 2018 Hank Zimmerman
Qualcomm does make other products you do know, hell, they make EVERY digtal phone (ie: SprintPCS) in existance. Don't belive me? Those of you with them go and get them. Look on the back, Mine's a Sony but it was made by Qualcomm. Compared to the massive phone boom, Eudora isn't that much of a benefit to them!
Will they also drop it? Are we all going to be supposed to run exchange servers? ;-)
I must have missed that one. When did this happen? Was it on
David Gould
David Gould
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Attention! This is a reality check! Eudora has been knocked out my Outlook Express being free, no? That is, by Microsoft. That MS is a big supporter of OSS is news to me -- must have missed that one. Is the announcement on /.?!
Umm, there is a stand alone app.
I think he was referring to the idea of integrating, either entirely or modularly, the Eudora email client as part of the Mozilla browser (nightly builds available from mozilla.org) and not the Netscape that is availible from Netscape.com
It seems like a good idea..
And what are u smoking about Netscape being programmed in Java?? I think you're on drugs if you think Java is ownly useful for "tickers and animated web toys." Obviously, you don't know jack!
-SuperGeek
-- I think, therefore we have nothing in common
Elm.
Oops... wrong platform, unless I install a mac-friendly linux. :-)
Program Intellivision!
yes yes yes yes yes. eudora rox!!!
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The difference is that Netscape intended to open up the *next* version of their browser, and keep developing it. That's why they put so much effort into mozilla.org: because it was part of a product line that they were still developing.
Normally, when a software company abandons a product, nobody ever sees the code again. If Qualcomm is really considering dropping the Eudora product line, they have no more use for the code. At that point, it's better for them to throw it to the wind and let *someone* find a use for it than to bury it. They don't have to manage the future development that may occur with the code.
I don't know of tools per say, but the mailboxes (in windoze) are held in simple text *.toc (table of contents) and *.mbx (mailbox) text files that aren't too hard to manipulate. The *.toc is just a listing of different mails and and *.mbx has the meat of the letters. Mabye a nice gawk program or even a shell program with a series of awk pipes could easily do whatever you are looking for. (of course this assumes you are using linux and mounted the dos partition).
Don't act like an idiot, and blame OSS for something it had nothing to do with...
Okay, I can't seem to stop, now...
So...you claim OSS represents a threat to commerical software devlopers? Let's think about this...so, people will stop using OSS to save the industry? Somehow I doubt it, because I don't appear to own any buggy whips.
And, if you weren't paying attention, communism==evil in most people's mind really mean totalitarian==evil.
The only reason people hate Stalin is because he killed, what? 10 million people?
I love how the 'anti-communist, anti-open source' people claim that OSS will destroy commericial software...
Isn't protecting an industry considered at least socialist in the first place? If people can, competing in the 'free market' which is in most universes considered to be the opposite of communism, win the most people, then doesn't it get to? Isn't that the point of a free market?
Being anti-any software development process is communism. Let it compete.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Oh well, M$ at work again... My favourite Emailer is gonna blow. I have been using the lite version since I first got on Internet (94ish) and I am in love with it since. I love the mail filter (I've separate junk from useful stuff so I don't have to plough throught "Make money quick" stuff) and all the fexiblilty of Eudora (Now, tell me which email client can run off a Zip disk, no installation libraries, and free, with all the filters and features?
Maybe I should buy a copy of commerical Eudora to support them...
No, they make their money from OmniTracks and CDMA ASICS and licensing.
Qualcomm does not make every cell phone. They had/have a joint venture with Sony in making cell phones. They also hold virtually all the major patents on CDMA (Irwin Jacobs, CEO, discovered how to make the technology practical), so anyone who wants to use CDMA must obtain licensing from them.
What was so bad about 4.x for the Mac? I sure appreciate the threading so I don't have to sit and wait while mail is coming in...
Anyone know how the features of Eudora compare to the Mail client mozilla is implementing?
W
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Wow! I can't believe all of the pro-Eudora messages on a mainly Linux site.
I used to use Eudora but was never happy with it. After using Pine for two years I find that it is vastly superior to Eudora. Don't let it's simple exterior fool you, Pine is a very powerful e-mail client.
I have heard good things about mutt and plan to try it soon.
Let's see, when they were the only game in town everyone had to use them, then the MS platform was saturated with email clients yet Un*x platforms under X still had crappy GUI clients they ignored us. Eudora would have rocked under X (in the non-bloated form) but they are MS worshippers so they deserve the fruits of their labor.
Wanna save eudora? PORT IT TO X for Linux!!! I'll buy it, just like I bought WP8 and every other sanely priced Linux app.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
You compete with the email programs in web browsers by creating a better email program the the browser's. The web browser emailers are absolute garbage.. I'm suprised more people weren't using it. Oh well, Eudora is still that official Windows mail client at my office.
I'm just weird but I like pine...i don't really see the need for having 25 windows open, i mean if you know the hotkeys you can navigate around pine very fast in just window.
to me, i see email as a mostly text operation, Some Companies have gone with adding bold tex and and RTF formatting and what not, totally unneccesary in my opinion, email should be left as what it is, free fast simple communication
with that in mind...you don't need alot of bells and whistles...i just want to type in text...and the pico editor isn't bad at all...
i tried netscape's email but i just loath waiting for netscape communicator to open every time i want to check email...and unless you have a ton of ram it isn't worth it to leave the thing open...tis a huge memory hog just to be collecting email
i tried a few other GUI clients...but found them either to be lacking in features, buggy, or the dreaded Both...
pine is Very stabile and i know then when i click send my email is going to be sent without glitches
just my opinion though...most of the m$ migrants are going to be wanting GUIs with RTF and all sorts of whiz bang... so i see the validity in a program that can do that stuff...it just isn't for me
V
i tend to agree! pegasus is one of the better email clients i've ever touched...very scaleable(sic) and feature rich... :)
as compared to eudora lite...give me a break...no competition there... ever since i switched over i've been missing pegasus
expecially since i have a ton of email sitting around in peg format
V
um...does your current version of eudora work just fine?
then how do you lose your client? it isn't as if the thing is going to *poof* just because the company stops developing it...
i don't use eudora but from what i've heard it is a pretty stabile and neat interface... if that is correct... then what more do you need?
just keep on using your current version until it becomes outdated(not likely since i don't see email protocol shifting very much in the near future)
V
i tried mutt when i first got linux...i like pine better...of course i just use it for personal email...not getting massive amounts of mail...so i'm not sure how good its filtering is...
but if you need filtering and use MS you should try pegasus instead of eudora...
does mutt have good filtering? i really didn't play with it that much...wasn't impressed with the interface...pine is much more intuitive and easy to leap around to different parts of the program IMO
V
I like it so much I actually paid for it!
Eudora has been the best email program I have ever used.
Anything less is Outlook Express. Blah.
-Michael J. Lu
-Michael J. Lu
"The little secret that haunts Corporate America...a techonology that won't go away."
I really do hope Eudora gets the Open Source treatment if Qualcomm cans it.
Eudora 3.0 has been my mail client since it was released. (and I had a lite version of eudora before that)
I've tried Netscape's mail client, and I hate it's filters, they are useless. Microsoft's outlook is ok for windows if you have only one account or like logging out and back in as a different user to check a different account... There are other problems I have with it but that's the big one.
I hope something is finally worked out for eudora. That is the only mailer i have seen which includes dialup scripting, and which can use just a shell access to access ur pop mail. All other requires one to first connect to the ISP, start ppp,, and then launch the mailer. Eudora really simplifies stuff if all one wants to do is check mail. OpenSource Eudora wouldbe GREAT!
Sigura Non Grata
You could always try configuring a combination of fetchmail, a procmail filter and imap folders with imp or pine :)
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