It is simply not true that Trevor’s Intellectual property was ripped off or copied in any way, by Freeplay or anybody else.
* Trevor conceived the idea of a mechanically powered radio. * Trevor formed, and was a shareholder in, a company called Baylis Generators limited. * This company registered a patent covering Trevor’s concept of a “clockwork” radio. * The company Baygen, later called Freeplay, was founded to develop, make and distribute the radio in 1994/5 in Cape Town South Africa. * Baygen/Freeplay paid a royalty to Trevor’s company for the use of the patent. * Freeplay made radios covered by Trevor’s patent until about 2000. * In addition to receiving a royalty, Trevor received a consulting fee from Freeplay. * Technology moved on and the spring based clockwork radio became out-dated. The new technology was to recharge a battery via a generator. A large number of Chinese manufacturers ( we are talking about 100 + different companies) entered the market and “wind-up” products using this simple method proliferated. Trevor’s patent became out-dated, and the whole market was flooded by these cheap Chinese products. These in no way contravened Trevor’s patent, or any of Freeplay’s efforts at technology development. It was a free-for-all, with new ideas, and the competition was heavy. * Trevor sold his shares in the company that held the original patent, and this company was eventually absorbed into Freeplay. * Trevor moved on to found another company Trevor Baylis Brands plc. Trevor sourced many different products from China, and branded them under his own name. He marketed them on his own website and through other channels. Trevor refers to this range of products in his marketing material as “Next Generation”, and Trevor became an enthusiastic, independent player in the next generation of “wind-up” products, actively endorsing the next generations’ virtues and improvements. * Freeplay continued to develop technology, and focussed on innovation and quality products. It maintains its reputation for integrity, quality and as the premium brand in the sector.
You, my friend, are starting to get on my nerves. I completely disregard this aspect because I have no problem providing and setting up the security required at this kind of place.
Please don't lecture me on things you clearly do not understand. It does not make me respect you any more that you know some random technical jargon.
And yes, the more you read Ask Slashdot, the sadder, you become. But are you considering that you actually started out completly sad beforehand?
I am sorry you feel this way, it truely does sadden me that you can be so rash and attack me. I am only trying to set something up for a community that needs it.
you have said >>> Dear slashdot. I don't want to steal, but I may have to. Please help me justify my theft! >>>
Unfortunatly you are wrong. I have no reason to steal, nor would I ever want to for any reason. I am just interested in a cheap way to acquire the software required to run the games people want to play. Unfortunatly this is an operating system I would rather not support, and therefore, I would rather relieve those that have Win98SE which have come with their computer, but they use some other operating system instead. And this is only one way in which i can (legally? that was the question) acqure this software, without supporting the people who make it.
I wrote >>> What kind of system should I run? Obviously most games are only going to run on windows, (and wine is a bitch, and imagine the bitchiness multiplied out against X machines), but I don't want to buy windows licenses (and I also don't want to pirate software) so where can I pick up some second hand windows 98SE licenses for a small cost? Would it be legal, if I was to advertise I will pay $20 for your win98SE license? Or would I be better off buying X licenses for Micro$oft Super Advanced Multigaming iExecution eServer Special Edition? >>>
Thanks for your relativly constructive input on this matter, but it really isn't that much of a problem at this point ^_^
Yeah Thanks for the _Constructive_ Input (unlike some others!)
I have already decided that to create a community, there needs to be some aspect of challenge (ie you know how wolves fight in packs, but they have the head wolf and then the female wolf etc heirachy), which is only created by games (not internet explorer ^-^' ). There would have to be a continual stream of competetions and prizes, clan battles and other such things, so that I can really develop the community and make it thrive.
>>> I'm pretty sure they're not. These are awfully basic questions to have actually "done the numbers" as he says. He clearly hasn't really thought this through as thoroughly as he thinks he has. >>>
I must admit, the only market research I have done has been visiting internet cafes in Christchurch and Dunedin, and looking at the number of computers vs the number of clients, and the type of computer and internet connection, as well as the hardware used for the individual computers. As you say, this probably isn't enough, thats why I cam to ask slashdot!
Hi, its me ioquatix. There is unfortunatly very little information on this kind of business available to me in New Zealand, and there are not many internet cafes either. Please do not make blind assertions like 'He is asking other people to do his research'. Even though it might seem true on the surface, you have to look beyond that point. I have done my research, and the idea seems viable, however, I am mearly interested in other peoples ideas and input on the problems that I have encountered while drawing up a business plan.
You are correct in saying >>> But this poster is asking people to give details of their market research, business experience and supplier contracts, for free, in a public forum! I'm sorry, but that's daft. If you want to set up in business you have to be prepared to do some research yourself, not just expect others to give you everything, giftwrapped, on a plate. >>>
I am only 17 years old, and my last business only made me $10,000. I don't know much about economics, only that I want people to have fun in my cafe, and I don't want to run out of money as soon as it opens. I am doing it for the people, and that is why I asked the people, What do you want?
Its still aimed at being a for-profit thing however (pay my parents back for university), but I really want to create a community atmosphere, and this is why I am asking you, the people who will most likely be attracted to such a place, what kind of things are important to you. I want to create a place where like minded people can meet and have fun together.
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It is simply not true that Trevor’s Intellectual property was ripped off or copied in any way, by Freeplay or anybody else.
* Trevor conceived the idea of a mechanically powered radio.
* Trevor formed, and was a shareholder in, a company called Baylis Generators limited.
* This company registered a patent covering Trevor’s concept of a “clockwork” radio.
* The company Baygen, later called Freeplay, was founded to develop, make and distribute the radio in 1994/5 in Cape Town South Africa.
* Baygen/Freeplay paid a royalty to Trevor’s company for the use of the patent.
* Freeplay made radios covered by Trevor’s patent until about 2000.
* In addition to receiving a royalty, Trevor received a consulting fee from Freeplay.
* Technology moved on and the spring based clockwork radio became out-dated. The new technology was to recharge a battery via a generator. A large number of Chinese manufacturers ( we are talking about 100 + different companies) entered the market and “wind-up” products using this simple method proliferated. Trevor’s patent became out-dated, and the whole market was flooded by these cheap Chinese products. These in no way contravened Trevor’s patent, or any of Freeplay’s efforts at technology development. It was a free-for-all, with new ideas, and the competition was heavy.
* Trevor sold his shares in the company that held the original patent, and this company was eventually absorbed into Freeplay.
* Trevor moved on to found another company Trevor Baylis Brands plc. Trevor sourced many different products from China, and branded them under his own name. He marketed them on his own website and through other channels. Trevor refers to this range of products in his marketing material as “Next Generation”, and Trevor became an enthusiastic, independent player in the next generation of “wind-up” products, actively endorsing the next generations’ virtues and improvements.
* Freeplay continued to develop technology, and focussed on innovation and quality products. It maintains its reputation for integrity, quality and as the premium brand in the sector.
My flatmate got a Lenovo and the screen was so bad he paid what seemed like a 20% restocking fee just to return it.
is this a 'bad' leak? or was it done on purpose or what?
You, my friend, are starting to get on my nerves. I completely disregard this aspect because I have no problem providing and setting up the security required at this kind of place.
Please don't lecture me on things you clearly do not understand. It does not make me respect you any more that you know some random technical jargon.
And yes, the more you read Ask Slashdot, the sadder, you become. But are you considering that you actually started out completly sad beforehand?
I am sorry you feel this way, it truely does sadden me that you can be so rash and attack me. I am only trying to set something up for a community that needs it.
Thanks for bringing up this issue however.
ioquatix
you have said
>>>
Dear slashdot. I don't want to steal, but I may have to. Please help me justify my theft!
>>>
Unfortunatly you are wrong. I have no reason to steal, nor would I ever want to for any reason. I am just interested in a cheap way to acquire the software required to run the games people want to play. Unfortunatly this is an operating system I would rather not support, and therefore, I would rather relieve those that have Win98SE which have come with their computer, but they use some other operating system instead. And this is only one way in which i can (legally? that was the question) acqure this software, without supporting the people who make it.
I wrote
>>>
What kind of system should I run? Obviously most games are only going to run on windows, (and wine is a bitch, and imagine the bitchiness multiplied out against X machines), but I don't want to buy windows licenses (and I also don't want to pirate software) so where can I pick up some second hand windows 98SE licenses for a small cost? Would it be legal, if I was to advertise I will pay $20 for your win98SE license? Or would I be better off buying X licenses for Micro$oft Super Advanced Multigaming iExecution eServer Special Edition?
>>>
Thanks for your relativly constructive input on this matter, but it really isn't that much of a problem at this point ^_^
ioquatix
As I have said before, I am trying to create a new community, a new aspect to the university.
Yeah Thanks for the _Constructive_ Input (unlike some others!)
I have already decided that to create a community, there needs to be some aspect of challenge (ie you know how wolves fight in packs, but they have the head wolf and then the female wolf etc heirachy), which is only created by games (not internet explorer ^-^' ). There would have to be a continual stream of competetions and prizes, clan battles and other such things, so that I can really develop the community and make it thrive.
Maybe you could offer some insight into what other aspects are also important to an internet gaming community?
>>>
I'm pretty sure they're not. These are awfully basic questions to have actually "done the numbers" as he says. He clearly hasn't really thought this through as thoroughly as he thinks he has.
>>>
I must admit, the only market research I have done has been visiting internet cafes in Christchurch and Dunedin, and looking at the number of computers vs the number of clients, and the type of computer and internet connection, as well as the hardware used for the individual computers. As you say, this probably isn't enough, thats why I cam to ask slashdot!
Thanks for pointing this out ^_^
ioquatix
Hi, its me ioquatix. There is unfortunatly very little information on this kind of business available to me in New Zealand, and there are not many internet cafes either. Please do not make blind assertions like 'He is asking other people to do his research'. Even though it might seem true on the surface, you have to look beyond that point. I have done my research, and the idea seems viable, however, I am mearly interested in other peoples ideas and input on the problems that I have encountered while drawing up a business plan.
You are correct in saying
>>>
But this poster is asking people to give details of their market research, business experience and supplier contracts, for free, in a public forum! I'm sorry, but that's daft. If you want to set up in business you have to be prepared to do some research yourself, not just expect others to give you everything, giftwrapped, on a plate.
>>>
I am only 17 years old, and my last business only made me $10,000. I don't know much about economics, only that I want people to have fun in my cafe, and I don't want to run out of money as soon as it opens. I am doing it for the people, and that is why I asked the people, What do you want?
Thanks for your time.
ioquatix
Hi, Yes this is a community thing..
Its still aimed at being a for-profit thing however (pay my parents back for university), but I really want to create a community atmosphere, and this is why I am asking you, the people who will most likely be attracted to such a place, what kind of things are important to you. I want to create a place where like minded people can meet and have fun together.