Oh no, where is BP going to get tens of billions of dollars? That's a cost of doing business to these people. A few unprofitable quarters is not going to cause the kind of drastic change in the business culture that is needed here.
What Nintendo needs to do is find a way to give out licenses and necessary digital signatures to small production houses and homebrew developers for nominal fees/free so that true homebrew on the Wii can be done in a legit way.
I think you grossly underestimate nature's power of recuperation, but I suppose time will tell.
That's what they said about the Exxon Valdez. The Alaskan coast is still suffering, and the gulf will suffer for decades as well. The real travesty is that BP will be back to normal and raking in profits long before the gulf is even close to usable again.
Without putting the fear of god into them, I have no reason to believe that the industry really gives a shit what went wrong and I guarantee you they will fight tooth and nail to avoid adapting their policies and procedures in any way that puts safety before profits. Showing the industry that their continued existence is dependent on putting safety before profits is the only way we can make that happen.
We don't need another gulf. The gulf will bounce back, likely a lot faster than you think it will.
I think you are hopelessly optimistic. Do you have any idea how many blades of grass there are in the Louisiana wetlands? Do you expect BP to scrub each and every one of them? The Alaskan coastline is still not back to normal after the Exxon Valdez disaster. I'll be shocked if I ever eat another gulf shrimp in my life.
Sometimes carrying out justice hurts innocent people. Imprisoning a man who has robbed a bank may deprive his daughter of a father. Shutting down BP may deprive some retirees of a pension (current employees can always get a job at a more responsible company). This is regrettable, but justice is more important. This is also why we diversify.
My desire to wipe BP out is not out of spite, but a desire to never see anything like this happen again ever. If I have to pay more for gas as a result, that's well worth it.
The proper solution is not to stop drilling, but to require a relief drill to be dug at every site. That way if this happens again, we don't have to wait 4 months. This way we can be safe, collect oil, AND double employment on drilling platforms.
As an artist, when I sell an oil painting or a drawing, I most certainly *do* retain copyrights.
I said "just claim to any rights", the implication being that copyright is unjust. Your claim to intellectual property rights conflicts with my claim to actual property rights which are more important. The US government has given you a temporary monopoly by force but that doesn't make it a right.
No amount of money can buy us another gulf. Therefore BP cannot possibly raise the funds to pay for their mistake. BP's market capitalization was $230 billion in 2007. Do you think the US would sell the gulf for $230 billion?
And there is a lot to be gained from driving them out of business. It would open up opportunities for companies without horrendous safety records to operate. See, I have no problem with well regulated drilling. Obama's moratorium is asinine, but every site should have a relief well drilled immediately.
If we drove BP out of business, that would force every corporation in the country to wake up and start paying attention to the law. If we allow BP to continue to exist, there is no deterrent effect. We can expect to get fucked over yet again.
And yes, BP shareholders absolutely deserve to be wiped out. Their greed lead to this disaster. Investing is risky business, if you invest in a criminal organization you absolutely deserve to lose it all. We need to give investors incentive to make safety a top priority. If they knew that they could be wiped out, you'd hear a lot more talk about safety at shareholder meetings. Protecting BP shareholders only creates moral hazard.
As for the farmers polluting the gulf, they should pay to clean it up. They'll pass those costs on to consumers of course, but that will force consumers to think twice and maybe buy more sustainable produce. The market does not work when some players are able to offload great negative externalities on everyone else.
Ok, fair enough. $1 million per barrel. The point is any fine that allows BP to continue to exist is insufficient. The value of a healthy gulf is far more than that of BP.
Oil is still flowing into the gulf. I agree that we cannot rightly penalize them further for the oil that has already flowed into the gulf. But we can, and should fine them for every drop that oozes out from here until the well is capped. (assuming that it is eventually capped). Something like $1 billion per barrel sounds good to me.
I guess he means "not allowing people to read/share/copy a book is like keeping people as slaves".
It's different only in magnitude. He's using reductio ad absurdum to show that the original argument was flawed. Preserving profits is not an excuse for injustice.
After all, it makes sense to have some ability to control our own work
You have that ability. You are free to sell or not sell your work to anyone you please. After you sell it, it's not yours anymore, and you have no just claim to any rights over it.
This law, as with well over half of Chinese law, has only one purpose. To ensure that no one may exist in a fully legal state within the borders of China.
I haven't found any reliable information on the actual classification status of this video. However, it's been repeatedly reported that the fellow who got arrested for leaking this information had Top Secret/SCI clearance. So he wasn't just a "low level intel guy".
I think that you are a little incorrect in your assertion that the leaked data has caused "no damage to national security." For example if you ignore locking up your house when you know that there are people out there willing and able to harm you and your family then that obviously damages the security of your house.
LOLWUT? In what way does the second sentence relate to the first?
Furthermore, since people like you have little sense of regarding patriotism for the USA I wonder how long it will be before you and others like you relegate this great country to a place where people cannot feel secure in their own homes
I already don't feel secure in my own home. The threat I fear is my own government.
Patriotism is not allowing those who want to harm you to even get a foothold.
So the government is the only one who gets to edit for political impact? Both sides inevitably play the propaganda game. At least Wikileaks made the entire video(that they had) available. Only the shorter, more YouTube friendly version was edited, and they never once tried to hide the fact. That's a lot more honesty than you can expect from the US military.
But there are already systems in place to handle these issues inside the DoD.
And those systems are obviously broken. Top Secret information must cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security if leaked. This information leaked, and has caused no damage to national security. The only person who deserves their balls nailed to a wall is the person who classified this inappropriately.
I love emulators, but I've never found much use for MESS. In pretty much every case where there's a dedicated emulator for a system, it's better to use that than MESS. Jack of all trades, master of none syndrome I guess. What systems do you emulate with MESS that are not better emulated elsewhere?
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What did Gates actually write other than Microsoft BASIC?
Oh no, where is BP going to get tens of billions of dollars? That's a cost of doing business to these people. A few unprofitable quarters is not going to cause the kind of drastic change in the business culture that is needed here.
What Nintendo needs to do is find a way to give out licenses and necessary digital signatures to small production houses and homebrew developers for nominal fees/free so that true homebrew on the Wii can be done in a legit way.
How would you make such a system GPL compatible?
Oh, you're on XP. When I apt-get DosBox it "Just Works(TM)".
pre-configured DOSBox (works 100% better than DIY DOSBox
How do you get 100% better than perfection? Really, I don't see any way to improve upon DosBox.
I think you grossly underestimate nature's power of recuperation, but I suppose time will tell.
That's what they said about the Exxon Valdez. The Alaskan coast is still suffering, and the gulf will suffer for decades as well. The real travesty is that BP will be back to normal and raking in profits long before the gulf is even close to usable again.
Without putting the fear of god into them, I have no reason to believe that the industry really gives a shit what went wrong and I guarantee you they will fight tooth and nail to avoid adapting their policies and procedures in any way that puts safety before profits. Showing the industry that their continued existence is dependent on putting safety before profits is the only way we can make that happen.
We don't need another gulf. The gulf will bounce back, likely a lot faster than you think it will.
I think you are hopelessly optimistic. Do you have any idea how many blades of grass there are in the Louisiana wetlands? Do you expect BP to scrub each and every one of them? The Alaskan coastline is still not back to normal after the Exxon Valdez disaster. I'll be shocked if I ever eat another gulf shrimp in my life.
Sometimes carrying out justice hurts innocent people. Imprisoning a man who has robbed a bank may deprive his daughter of a father. Shutting down BP may deprive some retirees of a pension (current employees can always get a job at a more responsible company). This is regrettable, but justice is more important. This is also why we diversify.
My desire to wipe BP out is not out of spite, but a desire to never see anything like this happen again ever. If I have to pay more for gas as a result, that's well worth it.
It is the government who makes the laws who decides which rights we do or do not have.
That is a truly chilling statement. If our rights are at the whim of our government, we have no rights at all.
Just because you call it something doesn't make it so.
The proper solution is not to stop drilling, but to require a relief drill to be dug at every site. That way if this happens again, we don't have to wait 4 months. This way we can be safe, collect oil, AND double employment on drilling platforms.
The fine is already $1,000 per barrel. At 50,000 barrels a day, that's $50 million in fines every single day. That's huge.
That's not really that much. It would not put BP out of business which is the only just consequence for this level of malfeasance.
Are you also going to apply that fine to the MMS?
The regulators who signed off on BP's fuckup deserve criminal charges. Federal prison.
As an artist, when I sell an oil painting or a drawing, I most certainly *do* retain copyrights.
I said "just claim to any rights", the implication being that copyright is unjust. Your claim to intellectual property rights conflicts with my claim to actual property rights which are more important. The US government has given you a temporary monopoly by force but that doesn't make it a right.
No amount of money can buy us another gulf. Therefore BP cannot possibly raise the funds to pay for their mistake. BP's market capitalization was $230 billion in 2007. Do you think the US would sell the gulf for $230 billion?
And there is a lot to be gained from driving them out of business. It would open up opportunities for companies without horrendous safety records to operate. See, I have no problem with well regulated drilling. Obama's moratorium is asinine, but every site should have a relief well drilled immediately.
If we drove BP out of business, that would force every corporation in the country to wake up and start paying attention to the law. If we allow BP to continue to exist, there is no deterrent effect. We can expect to get fucked over yet again.
And yes, BP shareholders absolutely deserve to be wiped out. Their greed lead to this disaster. Investing is risky business, if you invest in a criminal organization you absolutely deserve to lose it all. We need to give investors incentive to make safety a top priority. If they knew that they could be wiped out, you'd hear a lot more talk about safety at shareholder meetings. Protecting BP shareholders only creates moral hazard.
As for the farmers polluting the gulf, they should pay to clean it up. They'll pass those costs on to consumers of course, but that will force consumers to think twice and maybe buy more sustainable produce. The market does not work when some players are able to offload great negative externalities on everyone else.
Ok, fair enough. $1 million per barrel. The point is any fine that allows BP to continue to exist is insufficient. The value of a healthy gulf is far more than that of BP.
Rule of law only works if the law is just and fair.
Oil is still flowing into the gulf. I agree that we cannot rightly penalize them further for the oil that has already flowed into the gulf. But we can, and should fine them for every drop that oozes out from here until the well is capped. (assuming that it is eventually capped). Something like $1 billion per barrel sounds good to me.
I guess he means "not allowing people to read/share/copy a book is like keeping people as slaves".
It's different only in magnitude. He's using reductio ad absurdum to show that the original argument was flawed. Preserving profits is not an excuse for injustice.
After all, it makes sense to have some ability to control our own work
You have that ability. You are free to sell or not sell your work to anyone you please. After you sell it, it's not yours anymore, and you have no just claim to any rights over it.
This law, as with well over half of Chinese law, has only one purpose. To ensure that no one may exist in a fully legal state within the borders of China.
How is that any different from any other country?
I haven't found any reliable information on the actual classification status of this video. However, it's been repeatedly reported that the fellow who got arrested for leaking this information had Top Secret/SCI clearance. So he wasn't just a "low level intel guy".
I think that you are a little incorrect in your assertion that the leaked data has caused "no damage to national security." For example if you ignore locking up your house when you know that there are people out there willing and able to harm you and your family then that obviously damages the security of your house.
LOLWUT? In what way does the second sentence relate to the first?
Furthermore, since people like you have little sense of regarding patriotism for the USA I wonder how long it will be before you and others like you relegate this great country to a place where people cannot feel secure in their own homes
I already don't feel secure in my own home. The threat I fear is my own government.
Patriotism is not allowing those who want to harm you to even get a foothold.
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
That was never a valid excuse. If you don't know how to configure a router, learn or don't use one.
He hasn't gotten David Kelly'd *yet*.
So the government is the only one who gets to edit for political impact? Both sides inevitably play the propaganda game. At least Wikileaks made the entire video(that they had) available. Only the shorter, more YouTube friendly version was edited, and they never once tried to hide the fact. That's a lot more honesty than you can expect from the US military.
But there are already systems in place to handle these issues inside the DoD.
And those systems are obviously broken. Top Secret information must cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security if leaked. This information leaked, and has caused no damage to national security. The only person who deserves their balls nailed to a wall is the person who classified this inappropriately.
I love emulators, but I've never found much use for MESS. In pretty much every case where there's a dedicated emulator for a system, it's better to use that than MESS. Jack of all trades, master of none syndrome I guess. What systems do you emulate with MESS that are not better emulated elsewhere?