As best I can see it does not key log it traps all events passes them to a filter and logs the result of the filter.
Since the android equivalent of keystrokes generates events the package sees all events and "could" log them.
Apparently there is a set of bits that enable and disable various functions. The state and purpose of these bits is unknown and it is also unknown (to me) if they can be toggled remotely. AT&T has a tool "Mark the Spot" it does ask if a diagnostic can be run if you trigger it. I assume that "Mark the Spot" like the Apple tool digs and roots about and even generates traffic that it can review for a user, handset, distro, update or an area. Since the interesting stuff was the last 10-20 min of service I would expect that the log is continuous and exhaustive.
I wonder if my recent android hangs were the result of this logging software itself. That would be a HOOT if AT&T found that this tool caused more than PR and Legal problems.
Those that know strace and ptrace and their history know that these tools are problematic in their own right and early versions introduced instability.
Since this one company has data on multiple carriers the anti trust folk will want to see it too. The recent rejection of AT&T merger goals come to mind. Those that oppose and those that wish to promote it will WANT the data. What better way to discover tower by tower if the consumer will gain or loose in the game.
I wish I had the storage contract for Carrier IQ. The next injunction will be to "freeze" all data as it is and to freeze all remote configurations.
Your quote says "receives" but your link says "logs". We still don't know what happens to those logs. There may be no privacy problem here other than potential availability to malware.
Yes, that is important, and yes the logs should be stopped. But you are asserting something we don't know is true.
Now that the log is known to exist the data mining begins. Recall the/. article where a judge ordered the sharing of Facebook and other social media sites so discovery of "stuff" could begin.
Employer, spouse, x-spouse, law enforcement, DHS, FBI, NSA (makes password cracking a snap), TSA (because they have you on a list)...... for some it requires a judge. For others it is a letter that enjoins you from disclosing that the request was made and data transferred.
AND if there are knobs that can be dialed remotely all of the above will be demanding this knob and that knob be dialed and this data and that data be delivered. Again some will need a judge others have power under the law.
Any international IP address or phone number places the tool in the hands of all agencies. And there is the international roaming game. They have the magic codes for sure and can request even demand them.
I don't think shareholder value had anything to do with the decision to add cIQ. it was merely something that got sold to them and serves as purpose...snip....
This may be correct.. Now that the service is more public it seems to me that the sold service can be subjected to abuses that were not the intention or design.
Most interestingly I do not believe such tools. My Android phone locked up yesterday and required a battery pull.
Now that I know that such software exists I WANT to know if this negative customer experience was logged and noted to my service. I want to know if my service provider is a mushroom.... sitting in the dark living on the poo that some service generates.
Therein lies the rub. In order to use your cellphone/smartphone, you have to sign the carriers agreement, and in the carriers agreement, there is undoubtedly a clause where you give them permission to collect your data and use it as they see fit. This makes the data collection legal, not illegal, as you agreed to it....snip....
But if they collect information, the courts (and TLAs) can go after it. I suspect the clear and obvious pre-warrant search and inventory is illegal. It is worrisome to all because all of us can be assaulted via the court. Personal lives, divorce, employer litigation, legal political actions, library book inventory, health, religion and medical issues.... things well beyond national security.
Unfortunately, the FCC can shout all they want, but....snip....
Not so fast. the FCC has control of spectrum and can present a spectrum road map...
A spectrum road map can specify technology and technology changes.
Today the spectrum and technology is chaotic enough that no customer gets good service in his home turf. I have terrible service at home, not so bad down the road my provider was not selected by quality but by coverage yet it is thin coverage to be sure.
Spectrum leases should not be for an unbounded time.. and keeping spectrum can be conditional on upgrading and.improvements...
.....snip.... Once you have bricks generally available in the market place, you can't patent the brick outhouse.
Interesting... If you could not build an outhouse without bricks.... If you could build an outhouse and then learned about bricks...
The invention of bricks set the stage for building things... i.e. bricks were invented to build things and it is "obvious" that building things with bricks is possible.
There is/ was such a thing as a materials application patent. i.e. the use of Teflon to make a resealable valve for liquid oxygen...
Anyhow the GPS receiver and other sensors were placed in the phone with the intent and purpose of location based services. The most obvious service is 911 emergency police location services. I am of the opinion that using a device as it was intended is obvious.
Back to bricks... there are a lot of bricks.. big ones, small ones, mud bricks, fired bricks, cement bricks, refractory brick, pavement bricks, Lego, adobe... building a brick shit house out of each is a unique, novel and patent-able idea.
..... Some Japanese phones already do that, there is some kind of location system inside certain buildings like train stations and shopping malls that can direct you to the right place, but it probably needs some infrastructure that we don't have. BTW, did I mention I am a programmer so I know a bit about this stuff?
Now... what exactly does the NDA prevent?...snip.....
Not a thing if a party to the NDA believes that a law has been broken. There may need to be some compartmentalization and closed legal actions to initiate the tearing down of these tangled legal webs but with the number of interactions it is hard to believe they are all pure as fresh show.
There's a good reason for both Samsung and HTC who wanted to sell Windows Phones (and laptops for Samsung) to come to an agreement with Microsoft. Most of the other companies that settled are also Windows PC vendors
With Blackberry in trouble (some might say not at all) the mobile devices that interact with Outlook well and in a secure encrypted way could become a wide open market. No hardware vendor is going to ignore this in totality.
The cloud vendor that can match Outlook's appeal with a replacement mail service on Android and iOS is going to make a solid living.
What federal laws have been broken? Laws that justify the expenditure of federal funds.
For the most part these are all "local law" enforcement issues with some interesting mutual aide repercussions. The handling of the problem in Oakland CA was so troubling that the community leadership of the neighboring community called into question the use of mutual aide police force staff.
If local mutual aid is being questioned how does federal involvement come to play.
Now I do see a common far reaching national based organization inserting itself into this. CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS all national (and international) organizations are presenting the protests in very colored ways. Are they being guided by some unseen sinister force?
What is the name of the big missile that targets the RF signal from radar? So what keeps an RF signal seeking missile or other device from causing problems.
A soldier should not have a smart phone or any other radio linked phone while in the field. The RF signature of a passive RF receiver IED trigger is so tiny...
And of note this is a divorce. At one point in time the couple was a legal entity. Almost any legal agreement would have been binding on both parties. His/her $150,000.00 credit card debt and the $900,000.00 second mortgage on the home... would have been "their" debt even if unknown to the other. But what are they "looking for" on the social media site.
Cause for the divorce... trip to Mexico expenses... illegal activity... legal activity... Checked in at Starbucks at the same time as 50 other people....??? what are they looking for?
So reset the password to:
"She/he is a royal twit and so is the judge"
This is interesting because there are no limits to the activity that someone might do on the account. While the judge admonished the parties to not hack the account how is this admonishment going to be audited.
With this type of ruling services will increasingly need read/ write/ change/ logs. In addition they will need account dump procedures and in some cases alternate read only access processes. These social network sites also need to establish fee schedules. To compel a company to do something for free is punitive.
More interestingly in a divorce action there are other bystanders i.e. Friends or Circles of friends that have made visible personal info and remarks to one party but not the world. So he/ she can now stalk her/ his friends and even friends of friends.
So N.B. that this is not a two or three party ruling. The reach of this judges activity extends to perhaps hundreds perhaps millions of of people that a common search warrant would fail judicial review and justification for. Of interest to some are political "friends"... He is a friend of "Bush" and she a friend of "Planned Parenthood" and the Catholic Church.
What if all friends and friends of friends enjoined this ruling from taking effect.... i.e. their non public words would now be visible where they would not have been. Carol said on Jane's wall "Bob is a dink but hung like a goat". i.e. this ruling between Bob and Jane now exposes Carol's words.... Was Carol named as a party and was she named as a witness in this proceeding? Was Carol's account pass word shared with "the girls"?
it is a concept after all, so some of it's shortcomings might be obvious to apiarist that aren't to the industrial designer who came up with the concept.
from a non-beekeeper perspective, some things seem lacking: ingress/egress opening looks too small for proper venting... don't drones need larger openings in the summer to fan cooler air into the hive? mechanism for extracting honey probably is destroying cells to release honey... wouldn't the bees build around this mechanism after a few uses? i thought queens needed a special chamber
Drones are larger than workers but they do little or nothing to maintain the hive. They just eat and once in a rare onetime get to breed.
Hives with removable frames are required to permit the inspection of hives for bee diseases and not just the new scourge killing hives all over the nations.
It has been common for years to have "visible" hives inside connected to the outside by a tube.
Since bees return to the hive at night it is easy as pie to plug the entrance move them inside attach the pipe and watch the fun. Adding clear plastic to the side is also easy to do.
Still this is a sexy looking product. Having bees entering a second story window is also cool as folk do not walk in front of the flyway.
" The only thing it lacks is support, which the CIO doesn't want. Help?"
He does not want updates and bug fixes or does not want to pay for it?
A CIO that wants unsupported software is goofy and should not have the title UNLESS he is in the business of supporting software in contrast to developing and selling software.
Tell him that Gentoo is a much better choice. It gives him lots more options.
I have noted that for some companies Redhat was a bit constrained and pricey. If your CIO has five servers he can decide if he wants one, two, three.... or five copies of RH should he feel that a price of 1/5 or 2/5... or 5/5 is right.
Of interest in some lab and development environments Centos is easier to work with.
Slashdot Mirror
Too much sugar in the coffee of the examiner.
Measuring the concentration of blood sugar and
dosing insulin correctly sounds like prior art.
So does "my head ache is back" take one
more aspirin.
p.r.n. as occasion requires
As best I can see it does not key log it traps all events
passes them to a filter and logs the result of the filter.
Since the android equivalent of keystrokes generates
events the package sees all events and "could" log them.
Apparently there is a set of bits that enable and disable
various functions. The state and purpose of these bits
is unknown and it is also unknown (to me) if they can be toggled
remotely. AT&T has a tool "Mark the Spot" it does ask
if a diagnostic can be run if you trigger it. I assume that
"Mark the Spot" like the Apple tool digs and roots about and even generates
traffic that it can review for a user, handset, distro, update or an area.
Since the interesting stuff was the last 10-20 min of service I would
expect that the log is continuous and exhaustive.
I wonder if my recent android hangs were the result of
this logging software itself. That would be a HOOT if
AT&T found that this tool caused more than PR and Legal
problems.
Those that know strace and ptrace and their history know that
these tools are problematic in their own right and early
versions introduced instability.
Since this one company has data on multiple carriers
the anti trust folk will want to see it too. The recent rejection
of AT&T merger goals come to mind. Those that oppose
and those that wish to promote it will WANT the data.
What better way to discover tower by tower if the consumer
will gain or loose in the game.
I wish I had the storage contract for Carrier IQ. The next
injunction will be to "freeze" all data as it is and to freeze
all remote configurations.
Your quote says "receives" but your link says "logs". We still don't know what happens to those logs. There may be no privacy problem here other than potential availability to malware.
Yes, that is important, and yes the logs should be stopped. But you are asserting something we don't know is true.
Now that the log is known to exist the data mining /. article where a judge ordered
begins. Recall the
the sharing of Facebook and other social media sites
so discovery of "stuff" could begin.
Employer, spouse, x-spouse, law enforcement,
DHS, FBI, NSA (makes password cracking a snap),
TSA (because they have you on a list)...... for some
it requires a judge. For others it is a letter that enjoins
you from disclosing that the request was made
and data transferred.
AND if there are knobs that can be dialed remotely
all of the above will be demanding this knob and
that knob be dialed and this data and that data be
delivered. Again some will need a judge others
have power under the law.
Any international IP address or phone number places
the tool in the hands of all agencies. And there is
the international roaming game. They have the magic
codes for sure and can request even demand them.
I don't think shareholder value had anything to do with the decision to add cIQ. it was merely something that got sold to them and serves as purpose ...snip....
This may be correct.. Now that the service is more public
it seems to me that the sold service can be subjected to
abuses that were not the intention or design.
Most interestingly I do not believe such tools.
My Android phone locked up yesterday and required a battery pull.
Now that I know that such software exists I WANT to know if
this negative customer experience was logged and noted
to my service. I want to know if my service provider is
a mushroom.... sitting in the dark living on the poo that some
service generates.
ir port vs lol!
It's more 'lol' that you even want an IR port, just another useless thing that makes the phone bigger and bulkier. ....snip.......
But a smart phone with a good IR chip could replace all seventeen
of my home TV, whatnot remotes even the POS from Comcast.
companies that illegally wiretap their customers
Therein lies the rub. In order to use your cellphone/smartphone, you have to sign the carriers agreement, and in the carriers agreement, there is undoubtedly a clause where you give them permission to collect your data and use it as they see fit. This makes the data collection legal, not illegal, as you agreed to it. ...snip....
But if they collect information, the courts (and TLAs) can go after it. .... things
I suspect the clear and obvious pre-warrant search and
inventory is illegal. It is worrisome to all because all of
us can be assaulted via the court. Personal lives,
divorce, employer litigation, legal political actions, library
book inventory, health, religion and medical issues
well beyond national security.
Check out the Lytro!
It solves one of the nasty problems
that beginners have with quality
cameras.
It is too new and I have yet to try one but
if it works as expected casual photography
is going to see some serious innovation.
Unfortunately, the FCC can shout all they want, but ....snip....
Not so fast.
the FCC has control of spectrum and can present a
spectrum road map...
A spectrum road map can specify technology and
technology changes.
Today the spectrum and technology is chaotic enough
that no customer gets good service in his home turf.
I have terrible service at home, not so bad down the road
my provider was not selected by quality but by coverage
yet it is thin coverage to be sure.
Spectrum leases should not be for an unbounded time.. .improvements...
and keeping spectrum can be conditional on upgrading
and
So what is next for T-mobile.
I can think on one outcome that is worse.
That is the loss of T-mobile...
The loss of T-mobile would be just as "anti-competitive" but
the stock holders of T-mobile would get nothing.
"recalculating turn right....."
A location based service for sure.
Once you have bricks generally available in the market place, you can't patent the brick outhouse.
Interesting...
If you could not build an outhouse without bricks....
If you could build an outhouse and then learned about bricks...
The invention of bricks set the stage for building things... i.e.
bricks were invented to build things and it is "obvious" that
building things with bricks is possible.
There is/ was such a thing as a materials application patent.
i.e. the use of Teflon to make a resealable valve for liquid
oxygen...
Anyhow the GPS receiver and other sensors were placed in the phone
with the intent and purpose of location based services. The most
obvious service is 911 emergency police location services. I am
of the opinion that using a device as it was intended is obvious.
Back to bricks... there are a lot of bricks.. big ones, small ones, mud bricks,
fired bricks, cement bricks, refractory brick, pavement bricks, Lego, adobe...
building a brick shit house out of each is a unique, novel and patent-able
idea.
This sounds like prior art to me.
Do they not cover Kipling in law school? They should.
Yes and in political science class too.
Here it is sometimes called foreign aid.
There are pull and push models...
Now... what exactly does the NDA prevent? ...snip.....
Not a thing if a party to the NDA believes that a law has been
broken. There may need to be some compartmentalization
and closed legal actions to initiate the tearing down of
these tangled legal webs but with the number of interactions
it is hard to believe they are all pure as fresh show.
There's a good reason for both Samsung and HTC who wanted to sell Windows Phones (and laptops for Samsung) to come to an agreement with Microsoft. Most of the other companies that settled are also Windows PC vendors
With Blackberry in trouble (some might say not at all)
the mobile devices that interact with Outlook well and
in a secure encrypted way could become a wide open
market. No hardware vendor is going to ignore this in totality.
The cloud vendor that can match Outlook's appeal with a
replacement mail service on Android and iOS is going to
make a solid living.
What federal laws have been broken?
Laws that justify the expenditure of federal funds.
For the most part these are all "local law" enforcement
issues with some interesting mutual aide repercussions.
The handling of the problem in Oakland CA was so troubling
that the community leadership of the neighboring
community called into question the use of mutual aide
police force staff.
If local mutual aid is being questioned how does federal
involvement come to play.
Now I do see a common far reaching national based
organization inserting itself into this. CNN, NBC, ABC
and CBS all national (and international) organizations
are presenting the protests in very colored ways. Are
they being guided by some unseen sinister force?
My touch pad on my old laptop is older than the 2004 patent.
Hmmm....
I guess I need to read the rest of the patent.
What is the name of the big missile that targets the RF signal
from radar? So what keeps an RF signal seeking
missile or other device from causing problems.
A soldier should not have a smart phone or any other
radio linked phone while in the field. The RF signature of
a passive RF receiver IED trigger is so tiny...
Then there is the issue of cameras....
And of note this is a divorce. At one point in time
the couple was a legal entity. Almost any legal agreement
would have been binding on both parties. His/her $150,000.00
credit card debt and the $900,000.00 second mortgage on the
home... would have been "their" debt even if unknown to the
other. But what are they "looking for" on the social media site.
Cause for the divorce... trip to Mexico expenses... illegal activity...
legal activity... Checked in at Starbucks at the same time
as 50 other people....??? what are they looking for?
So reset the password to:
"She/he is a royal twit and so is the judge"
This is interesting because there are no limits
to the activity that someone might do on the account.
While the judge admonished the parties to not hack
the account how is this admonishment going to
be audited.
With this type of ruling services will increasingly need
read/ write/ change/ logs. In addition they will need
account dump procedures and in some cases alternate
read only access processes. These social network sites
also need to establish fee schedules. To compel a company
to do something for free is punitive.
More interestingly in a divorce action there are other bystanders
i.e. Friends or Circles of friends that have made visible personal
info and remarks to one party but not the world. So he/ she can
now stalk her/ his friends and even friends of friends.
So N.B. that this is not a two or three party ruling. The reach
of this judges activity extends to perhaps hundreds perhaps millions of
of people that a common search warrant would fail judicial review and
justification for. Of interest to some are political "friends"... He is a friend
of "Bush" and she a friend of "Planned Parenthood" and the Catholic
Church.
What if all friends and friends of friends enjoined this ruling from taking
effect.... i.e. their non public words would now be visible where they would not
have been. Carol said on Jane's wall "Bob is a dink but hung like a goat".
i.e. this ruling between Bob and Jane now exposes Carol's words.... Was Carol
named as a party and was she named as a witness in this proceeding? Was Carol's account
pass word shared with "the girls"?
There be dragons here...
it is a concept after all, so some of it's shortcomings might be obvious to apiarist that aren't to the industrial designer who came up with the concept.
from a non-beekeeper perspective, some things seem lacking:
ingress/egress opening looks too small for proper venting... don't drones need larger openings in the summer to fan cooler air into the hive?
mechanism for extracting honey probably is destroying cells to release honey... wouldn't the bees build around this mechanism after a few uses?
i thought queens needed a special chamber
Drones are larger than workers but they do little or nothing to maintain the hive.
They just eat and once in a rare onetime get to breed.
Only four (4) beekeepers among over 2 million registered users? I would've bet /. had at least twice that number!
Make it five....
Hives with removable frames are
required to permit the inspection of
hives for bee diseases and not
just the new scourge killing hives
all over the nations.
It has been common for years to
have "visible" hives inside connected to the
outside by a tube.
Since bees return to the hive at night it is
easy as pie to plug the entrance move
them inside attach the pipe and watch
the fun. Adding clear plastic to the
side is also easy to do.
Still this is a sexy looking product.
Having bees entering a second story
window is also cool as folk do not walk
in front of the flyway.
Simplify how it it so complicated?
What problem are they really addressing?
Graphical file system tools are already
slow and sloppy.
One could stuff them all in /
and resolve some historic name
collisions with some silly notation
as bin.bash alt1.bin.bash alt2.bin.bash
This tells me that it is silly quest and structure IS needed.
$ rpm -qal | wc
337729 337782 18840957
Just watch out for the special /.
case of
" The only thing it lacks is support, which the CIO doesn't want. Help?"
He does not want updates and bug fixes or does not want to pay for it?
A CIO that wants unsupported software is goofy and should not
have the title UNLESS he is in the business of supporting software
in contrast to developing and selling software.
Tell him that Gentoo is a much better choice. It gives him lots
more options.
I have noted that for some companies Redhat was a bit constrained
and pricey. If your CIO has five servers he can decide if he wants
one, two, three.... or five copies of RH should he feel that a price
of 1/5 or 2/5... or 5/5 is right.
Of interest in some lab and development environments
Centos is easier to work with.