I don't disagree, but this discussion has served to highlight that in people's minds, the two are linked. Intel don't care about the genealogy of the 'power' in PowerBook. They just care that people associate the power of the processor with Intel, and they don't want any noise messing with that signal.
Intel might let Apple slip by without an 'Intel Inside' sticker on the case, but I don't think they're going to fork a load of co-marketing dollars Apple's way for a machine that bears the 'Power' moniker.
'PowerBook' was one of the most admired product names in the industry, and probably one of the best known portable lines, alongside ThinkPad. I wonder how much it cost Intel to bury it forever?
My bedroom looks like Cape Cafuckingnaveral - anything that frees up a few square inches of floordrobe is a good thing(TM).
The only reason an inbuilt wifi base station is a bad idea is because the great unwashed will have to try setting up Microsoft's rock-sucking Wifi software.
8xAGP, Firewire 2 and USB 2 are missing. No big deal but interesting. Great to see audio ports built in.
It's all about the software though. 10.1 is superb - 10.2 is alleged to be a big improvement. Who cares how fast your G4 is clocked? It won't run OS X.
This is a recurring theme at Slashdot. Why is it legal for Hollywood to buy legistlation? Would it be useful to campaign for controls on members' interests instead of (ok - as well as) fighting every instance of clueless legislature? As long as the corporations are running your government the consumers will keep getting screwed.
From a distance (Yurp) it looks like America is relinquising all the freedoms that made it strong in the first place. Why are you burning the flag? For Disney?
Talking at a Unix User Group in London last year, Vint Cerf corrected an attendee who made a similar jibe about Al Gore.
Cerf paid tribute to the work that Gore had done to help create the modern internet and expressed regret that the comment had become such an albatross for the (then) presidential candidate.
There's a difference between 1. Publishing Flash fluff that certain browsers can't see 2 Arbitrarily locking out competent browser software that could adequately render a page, given the chance.
Where does it stop? Everything must be compatible with Mosaic 1.0?
Some/.ers don't seem to care so much about speech recognition - niche technology? When natural language parsers get more intelligent, speech recognition will be the internet in your car. Just think star trek.
Technology is spit-roasting the music industry - the internet at one end - the home studio at the other. This is good because the free market is the enemy of great art and pimps the lowest common denominator for greater volumes. So screw 'em.
Is speech free if no-one can hear you? Access to the means of production of cultural material has always been contested and acknowledged as an index of power on the one hand, and freedom on the other. That's why sales of books and newspapers aren't taxed in the UK. (CDs are - I think).
On sound quality - you risk having to listen to poorer quality mixes, but on the plus side you'll be able to ask the artist to post a mix with the vocal a little louder in some sections. Maybe you'll just download the master and fix it yourself. It's not like she's making any money out of it anyway.
You'll have a dialogue with many artists. You'll be able to ask them what they mean by this line and that line. You'll be able to explain what 'ironic' means.
Artists will talk back (but they might be telling you to fsck off). Their music will slowly (very slowly) become a part of a richer dialogue with the public and switch back to being a cultural form for duplex communication.
Piracy is unstoppable because at the most basic level, the music has to go through an analogue stage (to get to your loudspeakers, for example) and can then be re-digitised. It's a pain in the ass, but you only have to do it once to make a piece of work available to millions. Musicians nowadays expect to become wealthy if they become successful. This may change, and with it the kind of people who get involved in recording and their motivations for recording.
Margins will fall. Ironically, as more and more becomes possible with sound, less and less will be feasible. We'll look back on an era that began with Elvis and ended with Eminem and kind of miss it. But not much.
This could all be bullshit. I just think that the cultural impact of the record industry dying is a lot more interesting than what kind of microphone bimbo X whimpers into - non? Even for the/. demographic.
Post further predictions as replies. I'd be interested to hear where people think music might go...
OpenDoc was a great technology that software companies wouldn't support because it empowered the user at their expense. Free software should be able to succeed where OpenDoc failed. Weird thing is, the more technology I use, the fewer documents I use. Mostly I'm writing dynamic stuff that talks to other dynamic stuff that ends up being presented to an end-user in a browser, but the page they look at is never 'stored' anywhere as a static entity. Which makes it 'not' a document. Kinda.
Fuck - how many great technologies has the market killed anyway? And not just Apple stuff.
Haven't heard much about Bonobo but got to check it out now.
1. I'd hate to be Steve Jobs on the phone to Adobe announcing OS X on x86. Haven't they just rewritten their core apps (Photoshop, Premiere) for OS 9 and OS X with the Altivec extensions to the PowerPC instruction set? 2. M$ won't like it. Even after Office on X has been announced, it's bad to piss Bill off. 3. They just announced faster G4s - there are likely to be further speed increases (the recently announced G4-IIs are vapour at up to 1GHz) this year. 4. Medium term you're looking at a 32-bit architecture that everyone else is about to bin. What's the point in jumping on that bandwagon right now? 5.Apple have got to be hoping that the G5 arrives on time. A seamless transition to a 2GHz 64-bit processor could set OS X on fire. Not to mention your favourite free OS.
I've always thought that a more interesting proposal than OS X on Intel has been Linux on PowerPC. The processors seem to be available (to Apple at least) at prices comparable to x86 stuff. With a decent MOBO you could build a sweet linux box around it - non?
Anyone else obsessed with mountain bikes? Titanium is hellishly expensive to produce and to work with - it seems weird that Apple would standardise on Ti for their portables. The entry-level (because 'low-end' seems inappropriate) Ti PowerBook is only $600 over last year's black G3 machine, but $2600 is a lot for an entry level portable, compared to, say Dell ($1099).
1. Is this a precursor to Mac OsX on Intel (the entry level machine) with the Apple branded models representing the 'premium range' for users willing to shell out more for a Ti case, a decent processor or just an integrated OS/HW pair?
2. Could Apple BSD license the OS and reorganise around a support/HW revenue stream?
3. Could someone would just free the damn Sorenson codec already?
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I don't disagree, but this discussion has served to highlight that in people's minds, the two are linked. Intel don't care about the genealogy of the 'power' in PowerBook. They just care that people associate the power of the processor with Intel, and they don't want any noise messing with that signal.
How is this not obvious?
Intel might let Apple slip by without an 'Intel Inside' sticker on the case, but I don't think they're going to fork a load of co-marketing dollars Apple's way for a machine that bears the 'Power' moniker.
'PowerBook' was one of the most admired product names in the industry, and probably one of the best known portable lines, alongside ThinkPad. I wonder how much it cost Intel to bury it forever?
My bedroom looks like Cape Cafuckingnaveral - anything that frees up a few square inches of floordrobe is a good thing(TM).
The only reason an inbuilt wifi base station is a bad idea is because the great unwashed will have to try setting up Microsoft's rock-sucking Wifi software.
8xAGP, Firewire 2 and USB 2 are missing. No big deal but interesting. Great to see audio ports built in.
It's all about the software though. 10.1 is superb - 10.2 is alleged to be a big improvement.
Who cares how fast your G4 is clocked? It won't run OS X.
This is a recurring theme at Slashdot. Why is it legal for Hollywood to buy legistlation? Would it be useful to campaign for controls on members' interests instead of (ok - as well as) fighting every instance of clueless legislature? As long as the corporations are running your government the consumers will keep getting screwed.
From a distance (Yurp) it looks like America is relinquising all the freedoms that made it strong in the first place. Why are you burning the flag? For Disney?
Apple couldn't afford this kind of publicity!
Uh - hang on....
Maybe they'll get lucky and Disney'll start an iMac control lobby.
Talking at a Unix User Group in London last year, Vint Cerf corrected an attendee
who made a similar jibe about Al Gore.
Cerf paid tribute to the work that Gore had done to help create the modern internet
and expressed regret that the comment had become such an albatross for the (then)
presidential candidate.
There's a difference between
1. Publishing Flash fluff that certain browsers can't see
2 Arbitrarily locking out competent browser software that could adequately render a page, given the chance.
Where does it stop? Everything must be compatible with Mosaic 1.0?
Who modded this up? Shame on you.
Some /.ers don't seem to care so much about speech recognition - niche technology? When natural language parsers get more intelligent, speech recognition will be the internet in your car. Just think star trek.
Technology is spit-roasting the music industry - the internet at one end - the home studio at the other. This is good because the free market is the enemy of great art and pimps the lowest common denominator for greater volumes. So screw 'em.
/. demographic.
Is speech free if no-one can hear you? Access to the means of production of cultural material has always been contested and acknowledged as an index of power on the one hand, and freedom on the other. That's why sales of books and newspapers aren't taxed in the UK. (CDs are - I think).
On sound quality - you risk having to listen to poorer quality mixes, but on the plus side you'll be able to ask the artist to post a mix with the vocal a little louder in some sections. Maybe you'll just download the master and fix it yourself. It's not like she's making any money out of it anyway.
You'll have a dialogue with many artists. You'll be able to ask them what they mean by this line and that line. You'll be able to explain what 'ironic' means.
Artists will talk back (but they might be telling you to fsck off). Their music will slowly (very slowly) become a part of a richer dialogue with the public and switch back to being a cultural form for duplex communication.
Piracy is unstoppable because at the most basic level, the music has to go through an analogue stage (to get to your loudspeakers, for example) and can then be re-digitised. It's a pain in the ass, but you only have to do it once to make a piece of work available to millions.
Musicians nowadays expect to become wealthy if they become successful. This may change, and with it the kind of people who get involved in recording and their motivations for recording.
Margins will fall. Ironically, as more and more becomes possible with sound, less and less will be feasible.
We'll look back on an era that began with Elvis and ended with Eminem and kind of miss it. But not much.
This could all be bullshit. I just think that the cultural impact of the record industry dying is a lot more interesting than what kind of microphone bimbo X whimpers into - non? Even for the
Post further predictions as replies. I'd be interested to hear where people think music might go...
OpenDoc was a great technology that software companies wouldn't support because it empowered the user at their expense. Free software should be able to succeed where OpenDoc failed. Weird thing is, the more technology I use, the fewer documents I use. Mostly I'm writing dynamic stuff that talks to other dynamic stuff that ends up being presented to an end-user in a browser, but the page they look at is never 'stored' anywhere as a static entity. Which makes it 'not' a document. Kinda.
Fuck - how many great technologies has the market killed anyway? And not just Apple stuff.
Haven't heard much about Bonobo but got to check it out now.
1. I'd hate to be Steve Jobs on the phone to Adobe announcing OS X on x86. Haven't they just rewritten their core apps (Photoshop, Premiere) for OS 9 and OS X with the Altivec extensions to the PowerPC instruction set?
2. M$ won't like it. Even after Office on X has been announced, it's bad to piss Bill off.
3. They just announced faster G4s - there are likely to be further speed increases (the recently announced G4-IIs are vapour at up to 1GHz) this year.
4. Medium term you're looking at a 32-bit architecture that everyone else is about to bin. What's the point in jumping on that bandwagon right now?
5.Apple have got to be hoping that the G5 arrives on time. A seamless transition to a 2GHz 64-bit processor could set OS X on fire. Not to mention your favourite free OS.
I've always thought that a more interesting proposal than OS X on Intel has been Linux on PowerPC. The processors seem to be available (to Apple at least) at prices comparable to x86 stuff. With a decent MOBO you could build a sweet linux box around it - non?
Trust me, I'm an economist...
/. anyway? I thought I was surfing at 4+ to avoid this kind of stuff.
I don't trust you - particularly because you're an economist, and trite ideological sniping doesn't impress me.
What're you doing at
...of active content delivery.
Slashdot and Anandtech.
Anecdotal but interesting. Anandtech run M$ but they should know something about HW.
Anyone else obsessed with mountain bikes? Titanium is hellishly expensive to produce and to work with - it seems weird that Apple would standardise on Ti for their portables. The entry-level (because 'low-end' seems inappropriate) Ti PowerBook is only $600 over last year's black G3 machine, but $2600 is a lot for an entry level portable, compared to, say Dell ($1099).
1. Is this a precursor to Mac OsX on Intel (the entry level machine) with the Apple branded models representing the 'premium range' for users willing to shell out more for a Ti case, a decent processor or just an integrated OS/HW pair?
2. Could Apple BSD license the OS and reorganise around a support/HW revenue stream?
3. Could someone would just free the damn Sorenson codec already?