Well, you can always enjoy the initial joke, then bookmark it and come back later. My complaint is that all the clicking and dragging gets boring real fast, and isn't adequately repaid by the little jokes you discover along the way. Maybe it would be more fun on a tablet.
No, that doesn't, but acting like the issue is settled and done with does.
I think it was pretty clear that I was talking about the emotional, nasty reaction the deniers inflict on climate scientists. Pointing out that an argument is dominated by angry accusations of fraud and conspiracy does not in itself say that the argument is wrong.
There's also the little question of whether the issue is settled. But somehow I suspect that's not a topic I should bother discussing with you....
There are plenty of workarounds using the existing system
Which don't always work. If they did, address depletion wouldn't be such a hot topic.
and you seem to have ruled out the possibility that anybody would ever be able to add such functionality in the future.
That's correct. I asked if a future upgrade would be possible, and was told no. I don't remember exactly why. Sun actually had a different ILOM module that already supported IPv6, but switching over was deemed too expensive. Of course, the fact that this module belonged to a competing product group may have been a factor...
It's not likely that we're going to see ipv6 within then next 3 years anyhow,
Huh? My ISP has had support for it for a couple of years. So does my computer. So do many hosting providers (including one I used to work for). Unfortunately, my router doesn't support it (even though I just bought it) but routers that do are widely available. The open-source ROM DD-WRT has had IPv6 support for over a year..
The big issue is that there still aren't any major networks you need IPv6 to handle. Many support it, but they also support IPv4 That will certainly change, and that's driven by simple necessity. The 32-bit address space is gone.
So you're saying that Slashdot died in 1999, when Rob sold it to Andover? Which is a couple years before I even started using it.
The dumb thing is that site revenues when it was still Rob's personal site were about $20K. Not even enough to make it a full time job for him. That sale transformed his hobby into a serious business.
I'm reminded of a Marine Corps joke. The first recruitment drive occurred at Tun Tavern on November 10, 1775, The story goes that the first marine to sign up looked at the next guy to come into the tavern, sighed, and said "Oh, it's not like the old Corps!"
That said, I"m not optimistic about this sale. DICE runs the most appalling useless, spammy recruitment site in the business. And that's saying a lot. I assume they're good at making money, but it's not clear to me how. It certainly has nothing to do with maintaining a useful web site.
I think the upgradeability of the airplanes is less important then the fact of the airplanes themselves. As the Japanese Imperial Navy demonstrated so effectively in 1941, a surface warfare vessel that only projects destruction as far as its guns can shoot simply can't outfight a ship that can project destruction as far as its missiles and airplanes can fly.
Who said anything about DDNS? If these addresses are behind a NAT, then you have to tunnel into the local network to access any of these systems, right? So why not have a local DNS server?
Why would an ISP implement IPv^ if they can upsell fixed IPv4 addresses and put everybody else behind local addresses.
Because (a) not all of their customers are home users who don't need public IP addresses and (b) because they want to sell services that they can't sell without IPv6.
Comcast is an ISP whose tendency to gouge and rip off its customers is simply not in doubt. (One particularly choice tactic: padding your bill with special fees with no explanation, and then removing those fees when you complain — which, of course, many people never do.) And yet Comcast began asking for volunteers to move to IPv6 3 years ago.
And in order to make it scale we had to throw out a lot of the original concepts. Which is my point.
I get so tired of false dichotomies on Slashdot. Believing that the original conception of the Internet had flaws is not the same thing as believing that the entire thing was a mistake.
Wasn't Mr. Little's problem that he was just a little stupid? On Slashdot, being perceived as stupid makes you a troll.
Incidentally, I'd consider faith in IPv4 re-use to be on a par with ecomental "solutions" to climate change. It's bothersome, it's fiddling round the edges, and it won't do a damn thing to avert the need for more change later.
I agree on both points. But just try to tell somebody that just bought a Prius that they're not "saving the planet".
it's just change.
What do you mean "just change". Yeah, change is often necessary, but it's usually painful. People fight wars and revolutions over change, and millions die in the process. I'm confident there will be wars over climate change, especially if we try to control it with geo-engineering, since control of the planetary thermostat is really going to matter to a lot of people.
At least nobody's willing to die to prevent IPv6 from taking over. Thank God for small favors.
Honestly for the vast majority of buisnesses there is no need to move their internal communication to IPv6.
So what? Very few servers are deployed on internal networks anymore. By the time I started working for their hardware division in 2007, Sun had stopped making desk-side servers completely. Except for hackers who have to have everything at their fingertips, nobody deploys a server anywhere except a data center. And in most cases, the easiest, cheapest way for you to establish a connection to an ILOM in a remote data center is over a public network.using SSH or SSL.
And in the next few years it's going to be harder and harder for you to obtain an IPv4 address for that ILOM.
Sigh. There are so many logical and factual problems with your post that I hardly know where to start. But I guess I won't bother, since I'm just a dreamy, touchy-feely idealist who's all paranoid about unscientific climate issues.
Ronald Reagan's main contribution to history seems to be the idea that you don't have to keep your facts straight, as long as you can do a good job of belittling those you disagree with.
"The way it was meant to" was specified by a bunch DARPA funded geeks who design their tech for a small network where all the admins knew each other. They had no concept of operating a network with large numbers of users, many of them malicious
Whenever I hear "the way it was meant to" I run the other direction. It's always based on some lame notion that things were perfect in the past, even though people in the past were also whining about "the it was meant to."
I think you need to ask yourself why you have to remember all those IP addresses. I'll bet that in each one could be dispensed with if you had the motivation to work out a DNS-based way to access these systems — with the possible exception of the DNS servers themselves.
As any climate scientist will tell you, the ability of people to deny impending disaster is remarkable, especially when doing something about it costs money. That includes people on Slashdot, who keep telling me that the whole address depletion thing is bogus, that we can keep going indefinitely by discovering unused blocks and using existing blocks more efficiently.
A few years ago, I was part of the product team that was working on a new Sun server. Now, every Sun server comes with an ILOM (Integrated Lights Out Manager), a little embedded Linux system that lets an administrator manage the server remotely. Naturally, the ILOM has its own network interface — but the one planned for this system did not support IPv6. I pointed out all the IPv4 address exhaustion issues, but was basically told to mind my own business. "No customer demand for this feature." Never mind that a few years down the pipe, customers would be very unhappy they didn't have it.
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Jeez, get a life already.
Well, you can always enjoy the initial joke, then bookmark it and come back later. My complaint is that all the clicking and dragging gets boring real fast, and isn't adequately repaid by the little jokes you discover along the way. Maybe it would be more fun on a tablet.
Now that you mention it, Nixon did spend a suspicious amount of time in Communist countries.
Really, this conspiracy goes way back. Consider the silly "all men are equal" doctrine. Obviously a justification for dividing up the wealth!
OK, but that still doesn't explain why " I have tens of IPs in my head, which I access daily by memory."
The problem with the internet was availability of public address space,
No, that's the problem we're talking about now. There have been many others.
But no more! Aren't you glad we got rid of that Socialist Eisenhower? Did you know that under his regime the top income tax bracket was 85%?
He got away with a lot because he supposedly won some stupid war. I'll bet it was all a scam!
Your security policy is weird. It's OK to expose network systems on the public Internet, but not to give them names?
Anyway, we were talking about IP addresses you had memorized.
No, that doesn't, but acting like the issue is settled and done with does.
I think it was pretty clear that I was talking about the emotional, nasty reaction the deniers inflict on climate scientists. Pointing out that an argument is dominated by angry accusations of fraud and conspiracy does not in itself say that the argument is wrong.
There's also the little question of whether the issue is settled. But somehow I suspect that's not a topic I should bother discussing with you....
There are plenty of workarounds using the existing system
Which don't always work. If they did, address depletion wouldn't be such a hot topic.
and you seem to have ruled out the possibility that anybody would ever be able to add such functionality in the future.
That's correct. I asked if a future upgrade would be possible, and was told no. I don't remember exactly why. Sun actually had a different ILOM module that already supported IPv6, but switching over was deemed too expensive. Of course, the fact that this module belonged to a competing product group may have been a factor...
It's not likely that we're going to see ipv6 within then next 3 years anyhow,
Huh? My ISP has had support for it for a couple of years. So does my computer. So do many hosting providers (including one I used to work for). Unfortunately, my router doesn't support it (even though I just bought it) but routers that do are widely available. The open-source ROM DD-WRT has had IPv6 support for over a year..
The big issue is that there still aren't any major networks you need IPv6 to handle. Many support it, but they also support IPv4 That will certainly change, and that's driven by simple necessity. The 32-bit address space is gone.
So you're saying that Slashdot died in 1999, when Rob sold it to Andover? Which is a couple years before I even started using it.
The dumb thing is that site revenues when it was still Rob's personal site were about $20K. Not even enough to make it a full time job for him. That sale transformed his hobby into a serious business.
I'm reminded of a Marine Corps joke. The first recruitment drive occurred at Tun Tavern on November 10, 1775, The story goes that the first marine to sign up looked at the next guy to come into the tavern, sighed, and said "Oh, it's not like the old Corps!"
That said, I"m not optimistic about this sale. DICE runs the most appalling useless, spammy recruitment site in the business. And that's saying a lot. I assume they're good at making money, but it's not clear to me how. It certainly has nothing to do with maintaining a useful web site.
And that's why this kind of acquisition usually destroys the acquiree. As a former employee of Sun employee, I know whereof I speak.
So long folks. And thanks for all the fish!
I think the upgradeability of the airplanes is less important then the fact of the airplanes themselves. As the Japanese Imperial Navy demonstrated so effectively in 1941, a surface warfare vessel that only projects destruction as far as its guns can shoot simply can't outfight a ship that can project destruction as far as its missiles and airplanes can fly.
Who said anything about DDNS? If these addresses are behind a NAT, then you have to tunnel into the local network to access any of these systems, right? So why not have a local DNS server?
Sigh. What exactly do you think "straw man argument" means? It's certainly not a fancy way of saying "your approach is stupid".
You mean the new HP server. Oracle has not had a lot of luck turning Sun around.
Why would an ISP implement IPv^ if they can upsell fixed IPv4 addresses and put everybody else behind local addresses.
Because (a) not all of their customers are home users who don't need public IP addresses and (b) because they want to sell services that they can't sell without IPv6.
Comcast is an ISP whose tendency to gouge and rip off its customers is simply not in doubt. (One particularly choice tactic: padding your bill with special fees with no explanation, and then removing those fees when you complain — which, of course, many people never do.) And yet Comcast began asking for volunteers to move to IPv6 3 years ago.
If there's no intelligent designer, how do you explain the fact that the human nostril is exactly the right size for the human forefinger!!!!!?????
And in order to make it scale we had to throw out a lot of the original concepts. Which is my point.
I get so tired of false dichotomies on Slashdot. Believing that the original conception of the Internet had flaws is not the same thing as believing that the entire thing was a mistake.
Wasn't Mr. Little's problem that he was just a little stupid? On Slashdot, being perceived as stupid makes you a troll.
Incidentally, I'd consider faith in IPv4 re-use to be on a par with ecomental "solutions" to climate change. It's bothersome, it's fiddling round the edges, and it won't do a damn thing to avert the need for more change later.
I agree on both points. But just try to tell somebody that just bought a Prius that they're not "saving the planet".
it's just change.
What do you mean "just change". Yeah, change is often necessary, but it's usually painful. People fight wars and revolutions over change, and millions die in the process. I'm confident there will be wars over climate change, especially if we try to control it with geo-engineering, since control of the planetary thermostat is really going to matter to a lot of people.
At least nobody's willing to die to prevent IPv6 from taking over. Thank God for small favors.
Honestly for the vast majority of buisnesses there is no need to move their internal communication to IPv6.
So what? Very few servers are deployed on internal networks anymore. By the time I started working for their hardware division in 2007, Sun had stopped making desk-side servers completely. Except for hackers who have to have everything at their fingertips, nobody deploys a server anywhere except a data center. And in most cases, the easiest, cheapest way for you to establish a connection to an ILOM in a remote data center is over a public network.using SSH or SSL.
And in the next few years it's going to be harder and harder for you to obtain an IPv4 address for that ILOM.
Sigh. There are so many logical and factual problems with your post that I hardly know where to start. But I guess I won't bother, since I'm just a dreamy, touchy-feely idealist who's all paranoid about unscientific climate issues.
Ronald Reagan's main contribution to history seems to be the idea that you don't have to keep your facts straight, as long as you can do a good job of belittling those you disagree with.
You do realize that makes you a socialist? Right? I'll bet you even put Poupon on your burger.
"The way it was meant to" was specified by a bunch DARPA funded geeks who design their tech for a small network where all the admins knew each other. They had no concept of operating a network with large numbers of users, many of them malicious
Whenever I hear "the way it was meant to" I run the other direction. It's always based on some lame notion that things were perfect in the past, even though people in the past were also whining about "the it was meant to."
I think you need to ask yourself why you have to remember all those IP addresses. I'll bet that in each one could be dispensed with if you had the motivation to work out a DNS-based way to access these systems — with the possible exception of the DNS servers themselves.
Oops, I mentioned global warming, I guess that makes me a troll.
As any climate scientist will tell you, the ability of people to deny impending disaster is remarkable, especially when doing something about it costs money. That includes people on Slashdot, who keep telling me that the whole address depletion thing is bogus, that we can keep going indefinitely by discovering unused blocks and using existing blocks more efficiently.
A few years ago, I was part of the product team that was working on a new Sun server. Now, every Sun server comes with an ILOM (Integrated Lights Out Manager), a little embedded Linux system that lets an administrator manage the server remotely. Naturally, the ILOM has its own network interface — but the one planned for this system did not support IPv6. I pointed out all the IPv4 address exhaustion issues, but was basically told to mind my own business. "No customer demand for this feature." Never mind that a few years down the pipe, customers would be very unhappy they didn't have it.