We're talking like 100 bucks per year, for Christ's sake!
The most bizzare thing about paying these royalties is that as long as the songs we play are covered under the licenses, we can obtain the music via any source and broadcast it legally.
So what you are saying is that for a few hundred bucks a year I can get all the music I want from any source as long as I broadcast it? Ok, sign me up- Forget paying $20 a CD when I can get just about every song on the planet for $300. I'll just broadcast to myself.
It was 26 years ago today
Steve Jobs brought the mac in play
It's been going in and out of style
But it's guaranteed to raise a smile
So may I introduce to you
The same machine you've known for all these years
Steve Jobs' gui apple corp maaaac
Music companies could care less about their artists. And the sad thing is a lot of artists just let it happen, by not scouring contracts and not putting up a fight.
Hmmm, why can't somebody somewhere start a label that will protect the artists' rights and make reasonable contracts? Maybe some of these artists should band (ha) together and form their own group to promote online publishing of music. Say, Courtney Love and the Smashing Pumpkins...
Nah, it would probably be wildly successful, and then the middle managers would rise to the top, fire all the innovators, and screw everyone again. How's come the no-talent-a-holes always take over everything cool?
Yeah, you wish. Apathy only strengthens politicians and gives them more arbitrary power. How much power do you have- almost none, how much power do the politicians have- almost all. How the heck do you propose to destroy that!?
As less and less voters turn out, more and more power will go to those who do vote (generally old people). This basically means that resources will be siphoned off from the young for the old- including political power. Since when does apathy produce a political advantage for the apathetic? If you do nothing, you get nothing.
Today, all campaigns are simply an attempt to woo swing voters. The parties already have their base- so now all they need are those who can't make up their minds. That's right folks, the entire election comes down to the swing of those people who are wishy washy!
Hence, political power is given away by wishy-washy voters who are easily manipulated. As a result, political power swings to the best manipulator. Thus, political power is even stronger now than it has been in the past. Meanwhile, the apathetic simply go online and bitch. Good strategy, NOT!
Big companies do good stuff and bad stuff. Small companies do good stuff and bad stuff. Everyone does good stuff and bad stuff.
Yes, and when people do bad stuff, they get in trouble for it. And if it's bad enough they go to jail. And we make laws to keep them from doing bad stuff.
Taking advantage of technology and situtations and political power to rob people of their freedoms so a company can maximize its profits is bad stuff. Fortunately we have an answer to these issues, legislation, litigation, and, uhhh, criminal justice (couldn't think of another L word).
Sadly, I don't believe tipping will ever work. People would get used to getting stuff for free and not very many people would do it. There is no such thing as a viable non-enforceable payment plan. Just ask makers of shareware.
removing it from coffee is to insert this genetic codes into the human body, so that your body can produce caffiene on it's own (perhaps even regulated by the body's circadian rhythm). Everyone ready to hack their bodies?
All right! Let's get started researching the alchohol, niccotine, and THC producing molocules right away!
First of all, I'd like to just say I'm grinning wildly at 2600's response. "Oh, we can't have it hyperlinked? That's okay, we'll just make it inline text." Following the letter of the law, gotta love it.
There is also the question of - what if the illegal site had a home page that linked to the illegal code. If 2600 linked to the page that linked to the illegal code, would that be illegal too?
Or was this actually the case? and if so, how could the page 2600 linked to be called illegal if it contained nothing illegal?
I don't know why everyone thinks we want to talk to computers.
You are right but for the wrong reason. The reason you don't want to talk to a computer is because you feel like an idiot when you do it. I had voice recognition installed at an office. I tried it and felt pretty stupid barking orders at the machine around other people. Now imagine a bunch of people yakkin at their machines at the same time. This voice interaction stuff will never occur, just like the holographic keyboard idea. It just doesn't work very well.
My vision of the future of computing has to do with that electronic paper stuff. Forget screens entirely. If I can compose something on a piece of electronic paper and simply hand it to you (or transfer it to your piece of paper) then you have a great paradigm for sharing info.
Secondly, the idea of carrying around the frisbee from home to office is silly. What we really need is a central machine that stays put and we can access from anywhere on the planet. Combine this with the idea of electronic paper and now your talkin' future computing! Imagine your PDA as an actual paper notepad.
Specifics like linked-lists tell nothing about the quality of the employee.
I once was asked to write (on a chalkboard) a linked list class description for an interview. The interviewer left the room for 10 min. I did it in C++ as a template which could store any object. The interviewer came back in and stared at it as if he'd found the holy grail. I think maybe I 'd solved a problem they were wrestling with.
Didn't take the job, the salary they offered was an insult.
There's a new organization called Fairtunes.com where you can send a mini-payment ($1, $5, etc.) to the musical artist of your choice. It's an attempt at the "tipping jar" model of artist remuneration.
This is a neat idea, unfortunately it does not make taking Mp3s legal. You are still breaking the law if you take an mp3 from napster, whether or not you pay the artist. The artist does not own the copyright on the song, the record company does. As a result, the record company is allowed to have whatever stranglehold they want on the distribution of those songs.
That's the way it is. I don't like it, but that's the way the law reads. What we need is a company that will sign artists and allow those artists to be paid fair compensation for internet distributions of their material.
This is tough because despite the fact that record companies make a lot of money, they still spend a lot of money promoting bands. Most of the bands downloaded off Napster have already been promoted with millions of investment dollars. At Mp3.com, you can get some stuff, but it takes hours of previewing to find something good. The record companies have a lock on the radio stations, so you can preview stuff while driving to work, etc. but its only their stuff.
Only when artists have direct control over the promotion and distribution of their work, will we be able to legally compensate those artists directly.
Or just use Streamripper. It records songs off Shoutcast stations. Not only that, it places them in individual Mp3 files and names them. All perfectly legal under the fair use broadcast recording laws.
Seems to me that the RIAA is probably aware that there are other services out there. The point they are trying to make is that there will be punishment for those who (according to them) violate copyrights. Once they have weakened the arguments of Napster, it will make it that much easier to bring down others.
Their strategy is not to stop the exchanges immediately, but to bring fear of retribution into the equation.
I'm not saying I agree with it. But I'm not sure the genie can't be put back in the bottle yet. The reason they are not working with Napster is because they need that fear-lock on others before they move in and take over.
Hunkapiller will become a household name as soon as everyone has to pay him money to get their work done.
Somebody somewhere is going to come up with the desktop computer equivalent of genetics and then we will all have to bow before somebody. It may not be Hunkapiller's company anymore than Xerox Parc or Apple for the computer. But it will be somebody.
I'd rather be decended from a Bonobo or Chimp than be created by a God which says its ok to kill someone who doesn't believe in him/her the "right way" - see Northern Ireland, Isreal, Iran, the Crusades, the Inquisition etc all done in the name of God.
Aw, c'mon. Just because people kill in the name of God doesn't mean God told them to do it any more than natural evolutionary theory should lead us to construct a master race like the Nazis did.
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This sounds like a job for Site Hacker Man.
I think all those hackers out there could punish sites like this by breaking in and trashing them. That would at least put their talents toward some useful purpose.
Of course, since the site has since disappeared, this may already be the case.
If a business is willing to spend the money on coders, servers,reviewers, etc to design a really good system to help you find what you need, it could be driven out of business when everyone uses it's search and review functions to find out what they want, and then go to to a crawler or shopbot to actually buy the good or service.
Perhaps you've never heard of something called competition. Let me instruct you. Competition is what keeps prices low and services high. This is why we don't live in a backwards third world country where people die of starvation because they don't have buying power.
What you describe above is what is supposed to happen. It is in Ebay's and everyone elses' interest that they can be put out of business by a rival. It is what forces businesses to provide the best service. Ebay should either adjust or die. Getting the courts to force people to not comparison shop will hurt everyone- including Ebay.
I don't understand why these companies keep fighting for things they would never tolerate outside of themselves.
I've lived in China for several years now, and I think I've seen enough to say that I can really see the benefits of taking a stronger stand towards the criminal element than we do here in the States. The destructive ("hacker") proportion of the Chinese computer-using population is far lower than in the States,
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Ok Mr. China lover. Now reply to my post and include all my comments. Gee, I hope the government email filters don't catch you and send your ass to jail. Sorry, but that bullshit about less crime in China don't wash with me. The real crimes in China are perpetuated by the government of China. At least the crime in the west is committed by criminals.
Oh, wait, I forgot, the Chinese government is really controlled by huge bribing crime bosses anyway.
Frankly I don't even believe you are in China. I think you're just a flamebaiter. Guess you got me.
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We're talking like 100 bucks per year, for Christ's sake!
The most bizzare thing about paying these royalties is that as long as the songs we play are covered under the licenses, we can obtain the music via any source and broadcast it legally.
So what you are saying is that for a few hundred bucks a year I can get all the music I want from any source as long as I broadcast it? Ok, sign me up- Forget paying $20 a CD when I can get just about every song on the planet for $300. I'll just broadcast to myself.
2000 - 1984 = 26
D'OH! Got mixed up with the 20 years ago line of the original song.
Wait, OSX really won't be out until 2010. Yeah, that's it.
It was 26 years ago today
Steve Jobs brought the mac in play
It's been going in and out of style
But it's guaranteed to raise a smile
So may I introduce to you
The same machine you've known for all these years
Steve Jobs' gui apple corp maaaac
As long as I can get HALO :-)
Hmmm, why can't somebody somewhere start a label that will protect the artists' rights and make reasonable contracts? Maybe some of these artists should band (ha) together and form their own group to promote online publishing of music. Say, Courtney Love and the Smashing Pumpkins...
Nah, it would probably be wildly successful, and then the middle managers would rise to the top, fire all the innovators, and screw everyone again. How's come the no-talent-a-holes always take over everything cool?
Yeah, you wish. Apathy only strengthens politicians and gives them more arbitrary power. How much power do you have- almost none, how much power do the politicians have- almost all. How the heck do you propose to destroy that!?
As less and less voters turn out, more and more power will go to those who do vote (generally old people). This basically means that resources will be siphoned off from the young for the old- including political power. Since when does apathy produce a political advantage for the apathetic? If you do nothing, you get nothing.
Today, all campaigns are simply an attempt to woo swing voters. The parties already have their base- so now all they need are those who can't make up their minds. That's right folks, the entire election comes down to the swing of those people who are wishy washy!
Hence, political power is given away by wishy-washy voters who are easily manipulated. As a result, political power swings to the best manipulator. Thus, political power is even stronger now than it has been in the past. Meanwhile, the apathetic simply go online and bitch. Good strategy, NOT!
Yeah, if you don't mind every single piece of personal information about you and your shedule made vulnerable to snoops.
I'll keep my to-do list, meeting schedule, and notes on my own PDA thank you.
Yes, and when people do bad stuff, they get in trouble for it. And if it's bad enough they go to jail. And we make laws to keep them from doing bad stuff.
Taking advantage of technology and situtations and political power to rob people of their freedoms so a company can maximize its profits is bad stuff. Fortunately we have an answer to these issues, legislation, litigation, and, uhhh, criminal justice (couldn't think of another L word).
The financial gain for a Napster user is that they get the music they want but they don't have to buy the CD. Duh!
Leave your door unlocked so I can come into your house and take all your stuff. Then you will have the answer.
Sadly, I don't believe tipping will ever work. People would get used to getting stuff for free and not very many people would do it. There is no such thing as a viable non-enforceable payment plan. Just ask makers of shareware.
All right! Let's get started researching the alchohol, niccotine, and THC producing molocules right away!
There is also the question of - what if the illegal site had a home page that linked to the illegal code. If 2600 linked to the page that linked to the illegal code, would that be illegal too?
Or was this actually the case? and if so, how could the page 2600 linked to be called illegal if it contained nothing illegal?
Nelson (pointing at Bart): "Ha Ha!"
Martin: "Hey, I think he really got hurt."
Nelson: "I said 'Ha Ha'"
You are right but for the wrong reason. The reason you don't want to talk to a computer is because you feel like an idiot when you do it. I had voice recognition installed at an office. I tried it and felt pretty stupid barking orders at the machine around other people. Now imagine a bunch of people yakkin at their machines at the same time. This voice interaction stuff will never occur, just like the holographic keyboard idea. It just doesn't work very well.
My vision of the future of computing has to do with that electronic paper stuff. Forget screens entirely. If I can compose something on a piece of electronic paper and simply hand it to you (or transfer it to your piece of paper) then you have a great paradigm for sharing info.
Secondly, the idea of carrying around the frisbee from home to office is silly. What we really need is a central machine that stays put and we can access from anywhere on the planet. Combine this with the idea of electronic paper and now your talkin' future computing! Imagine your PDA as an actual paper notepad.
I once was asked to write (on a chalkboard) a linked list class description for an interview. The interviewer left the room for 10 min. I did it in C++ as a template which could store any object. The interviewer came back in and stared at it as if he'd found the holy grail. I think maybe I 'd solved a problem they were wrestling with.
Didn't take the job, the salary they offered was an insult.
This is a neat idea, unfortunately it does not make taking Mp3s legal. You are still breaking the law if you take an mp3 from napster, whether or not you pay the artist. The artist does not own the copyright on the song, the record company does. As a result, the record company is allowed to have whatever stranglehold they want on the distribution of those songs.
That's the way it is. I don't like it, but that's the way the law reads. What we need is a company that will sign artists and allow those artists to be paid fair compensation for internet distributions of their material.
This is tough because despite the fact that record companies make a lot of money, they still spend a lot of money promoting bands. Most of the bands downloaded off Napster have already been promoted with millions of investment dollars. At Mp3.com, you can get some stuff, but it takes hours of previewing to find something good. The record companies have a lock on the radio stations, so you can preview stuff while driving to work, etc. but its only their stuff.
Only when artists have direct control over the promotion and distribution of their work, will we be able to legally compensate those artists directly.
Heck, record your faourite songs off the radio.
Or just use Streamripper. It records songs off Shoutcast stations. Not only that, it places them in individual Mp3 files and names them. All perfectly legal under the fair use broadcast recording laws.
Seems to me that the RIAA is probably aware that there are other services out there. The point they are trying to make is that there will be punishment for those who (according to them) violate copyrights. Once they have weakened the arguments of Napster, it will make it that much easier to bring down others.
Their strategy is not to stop the exchanges immediately, but to bring fear of retribution into the equation.
I'm not saying I agree with it. But I'm not sure the genie can't be put back in the bottle yet. The reason they are not working with Napster is because they need that fear-lock on others before they move in and take over.
"So, donna hold your breath."
Isn't it obvious? Hemos is scottish, and is using voice recognition software!
Nah, must be Italian. Scottish would be "dinna" ;-)
Hunkapiller will become a household name as soon as everyone has to pay him money to get their work done.
Somebody somewhere is going to come up with the desktop computer equivalent of genetics and then we will all have to bow before somebody. It may not be Hunkapiller's company anymore than Xerox Parc or Apple for the computer. But it will be somebody.
Ugh, I rue the day.
Aw, c'mon. Just because people kill in the name of God doesn't mean God told them to do it any more than natural evolutionary theory should lead us to construct a master race like the Nazis did.
This sounds like a job for Site Hacker Man.
I think all those hackers out there could punish sites like this by breaking in and trashing them. That would at least put their talents toward some useful purpose.
Of course, since the site has since disappeared, this may already be the case.
Perhaps you've never heard of something called competition. Let me instruct you. Competition is what keeps prices low and services high. This is why we don't live in a backwards third world country where people die of starvation because they don't have buying power.
What you describe above is what is supposed to happen. It is in Ebay's and everyone elses' interest that they can be put out of business by a rival. It is what forces businesses to provide the best service. Ebay should either adjust or die. Getting the courts to force people to not comparison shop will hurt everyone- including Ebay.
I don't understand why these companies keep fighting for things they would never tolerate outside of themselves.
"Is next, svimwear." Get it?
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Ok Mr. China lover. Now reply to my post and include all my comments. Gee, I hope the government email filters don't catch you and send your ass to jail. Sorry, but that bullshit about less crime in China don't wash with me. The real crimes in China are perpetuated by the government of China. At least the crime in the west is committed by criminals.
Oh, wait, I forgot, the Chinese government is really controlled by huge bribing crime bosses anyway.
Frankly I don't even believe you are in China. I think you're just a flamebaiter. Guess you got me.