Hmm, if people want solutions wouldn't the best way to accomplish that be to avoid reinventing the wheel?
How many word processors are there in the proprieraty world and they are all more or less trying to do the same thing. WOuldn't it be wonderful to improve on the works of others' instead of starting from scratch yourself.
Btw, I see a computer as a tool, but since I enjoy tinkering it is probably more like a toy.
Why do you think he dissatisfied with his life? If he thinks having children is of little importance then that doesn't have to be founded on dissatisfaction.
I rather have a monetary poor life with someone I love than alone with all Gates' money. I am not dissatisfied because I think all that money is of little value to me, am I?
/mill
Thank you for reading my post so carefully
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Something for you to read.
http://catalog.com/hopkins/text/rms-vs-doctor.ht ml
"For a more complete explanation of one participant's attitude on this" and then the URLs follows.
Well I am out. I won't waste more time on this thread.
/mill
Goes and comes? What are you talking about?!?
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I don't think you care what I think you are entitled to. You will throw mud anyway. "Vaporware" is a common way to start it seems.
Hmm, you can't be held responsible for the words of others but GNOME developers should be held responsible for what Bruce Perens (the "GNOME backer") says. I see.
Well I don't know Miguel's reasons (I don't even know him) so your attempts to get an explanation from him is as good as mine. What did he say when you asked him though? Did he just ignore you?
I don't use either KDE or GNOME. WindowMaker is all I have. If you had cared about license issues in the first place there would have been no GNOME - correct. Linux ran on my desktop before KDE or GNOME started too. Guess I didn't need either to use *nix on the desktop.
Rare my ass. You are in denial. Do a search for GNOME, Redhat or GIMP on kde-list and tell me that again with a straight face.
On gnome-list whenever there have been any attempts to take shots at KDE or their developers (has happened at times) they have been told to take it elsewhere.
Look at the "NT News Analysis" ( http://www.winntmag.com/Magazine/Article.cfm?Issue ID=97&ArticleID=4651 ) instead.
"According to intellectual property lawyers, the Linux licensing agreement binds any developers who produce software using components of the Linux OS (e.g., libraries, runtimes) to release the source code for their additions (i.e., applications) to the public domain."
I wasn't the one whining about FUD. Your 'KDE backers' are. You are no better than the "GNOME people".
Btw, gnome-list have been wonderfully free from any flaming and bashing. Take a look at the kde mailing lists and say the same.
Raster was joking. I couldn't care less what Bruce Perens says or thinks. I suggest you send a mail to Miguel ask him what shortcomings he is talking about.
Well I like roses, but it seems you are awfully afraid of GNOME and how they are getting mainstream press. Heck, even whining about how unfair you are treated. Well I think it correlate to how arrogant your representatives are. I wish you good luck in your crusade against NT (after all you are preventing *nix to die on the desktop).
/mill - going back to play with guile-gtk and perl-gtk
Umm, and how are you supposed to make a feature rich desktop that works great on both a low-end and a high-end machine?
IIRC GNOME's default to be setup for a low-memory box, but if you have the hardware you can tweak imlib to cache everything and then you get the speed-up.
/mill
So why is he FUDING around then?
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Like when Mattias Ettrich said Raster was polluting the namespace with the GNOME WM hints.
Or when Kalle Dalheimer keep calling GNOME vaporware.
Or the numerous times KDE list subscribers call GNOME developers zealots, fanatics or whatever.
In short. There are far more potshots taken by "KDE people" (I saw the term "GNOME people" here earlier so I guess this is the appropriate term) than by "GNOME people".
I wouldn't trust a journalist to tell the truth anyway. To lie and skew reality is part of the job description.
Btw, Miguel expressed these "concerns" when he started GNOME. I guess it could be the KOM/OpenParts stuff he is referring to. I think he and Torben Weis have a different opinion how it should be done. I think the idea to GNOME (or to a desktop environment more likely) came out of a project where Miguel and Federico was implementing something ActiveX like on *nix, but i may be wrong. So how the object model should be implemented is probably kinda fundamental.
/mill
Is GNOME just marketing? (And Website review!:)
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Do a search for GNOME or Redhat in kde-list and you will see.
..enough willing people like RedHat, who don't care that somebody else DOES make money of their work.
RedHat make money on efforts of others and others can make money of RedHat's efforts.
/mill
Multiple licenses mean splits, fights, and worse
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I see you are still spreading this FUD of yours. GPL isn't depriving commercial developers of the use of the code. It is depriving proprieraty developers.
Btw, which projects have split because of the GPL?
Do you know anyone that has never lied? I mean even about the most trivial issue, like if you ate candy before supper or not?
If you can't find anyone that is completely free from guilt then noone can be president. Because how can you trust anyone on "more important matters" when you can't trust them with trivial issues like eating candy before supper?
Btw, according to the definition of Jones' lawyers he didn't have a "sexual relationship" with Lewinsky. IANAL but I trust Johnnie Cochran on this one.
I don't have the know-how to fix my car if the engine breaks down either so therefore noone else should have the access to the engine. Leave it to the car makers to fix everything.
'Nobody will look under the hood when their brakes don't work'.
Well I find large Python programs close to impossible to grok, because of its use of indentation.
Python might be a cleaner OO scripting language, but for text processing I rather use Perl. I would use neither for application development (unless they are very small).
Well I will go back to my module writing - Perl of course:-).
"Since there are no begin/end brackets there cannot be a disagreement between grouping perceived by the parser and the human reader. I remember long ago seeing a C fragment like this:
if (x = y) x++; y--; z++; and staring a long time at it wondering why y was being decremented even for x > y... (And I wasn't a C newbie then either.)"
Well the natural and simple solution is of course to not allow statement bodies that aren't enclosed by brackets (something I always do anyway).
"[some crap about saving lines of code with a forced coding style guide]"
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Hmm, if people want solutions wouldn't the best way to accomplish that be to avoid reinventing the wheel?
/mill
How many word processors are there in the proprieraty world and they are all more or less trying to do the same thing. WOuldn't it be wonderful to improve on the works of others' instead of starting from scratch yourself.
Btw, I see a computer as a tool, but since I enjoy tinkering it is probably more like a toy.
Why do you think he dissatisfied with his life? If he thinks having children is of little importance then that doesn't have to be founded on dissatisfaction.
/mill
I rather have a monetary poor life with someone I love than alone with all Gates' money. I am not dissatisfied because I think all that money is of little value to me, am I?
Something for you to read.
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:-).
/mill
http://catalog.com/hopkins/text/rms-vs-doctor.h
I find the seahorse reference hilarious
"For a more complete explanation of one participant's attitude on this" and then the URLs follows.
/mill
Well I am out. I won't waste more time on this thread.
I don't think you care what I think you are entitled to. You will throw mud anyway. "Vaporware" is a common way to start it seems.
/mill
Hmm, you can't be held responsible for the words of others but GNOME developers should be held responsible for what Bruce Perens (the "GNOME backer") says. I see.
Well I don't know Miguel's reasons (I don't even know him) so your attempts to get an explanation from him is as good as mine. What did he say when you asked him though? Did he just ignore you?
I don't use either KDE or GNOME. WindowMaker is all I have. If you had cared about license issues in the first place there would have been no GNOME - correct. Linux ran on my desktop before KDE or GNOME started too. Guess I didn't need either to use *nix on the desktop.
Rare my ass. You are in denial. Do a search for GNOME, Redhat or GIMP on kde-list and tell me that again with a straight face.
On gnome-list whenever there have been any attempts to take shots at KDE or their developers (has happened at times) they have been told to take it elsewhere.
Look at the "NT News Analysis" ( http://www.winntmag.com/Magazine/Article.cfm?Issue ID=97&ArticleID=4651 ) instead.
/mill
"According to intellectual property lawyers, the Linux licensing agreement binds any developers who produce software using components of the Linux OS (e.g., libraries, runtimes) to release the source code for their additions (i.e., applications) to the public domain."
I wasn't the one whining about FUD. Your 'KDE backers' are. You are no better than the "GNOME people".
/mill - going back to play with guile-gtk and perl-gtk
Btw, gnome-list have been wonderfully free from any flaming and bashing. Take a look at the kde mailing lists and say the same.
Raster was joking. I couldn't care less what Bruce Perens says or thinks. I suggest you send a mail to Miguel ask him what shortcomings he is talking about.
Well I like roses, but it seems you are awfully afraid of GNOME and how they are getting mainstream press. Heck, even whining about how unfair you are treated. Well I think it correlate to how arrogant your representatives are. I wish you good luck in your crusade against NT (after all you are preventing *nix to die on the desktop).
Is /proc even available on all unices?
/mill
The config tool is GUI based.
Umm, and how are you supposed to make a feature rich desktop that works great on both a low-end and a high-end machine?
/mill
IIRC GNOME's default to be setup for a low-memory box, but if you have the hardware you can tweak imlib to cache everything and then you get the speed-up.
Like when Mattias Ettrich said Raster was polluting the namespace with the GNOME WM hints.
/mill
Or when Kalle Dalheimer keep calling GNOME vaporware.
Or the numerous times KDE list subscribers call GNOME developers zealots, fanatics or whatever.
In short. There are far more potshots taken by "KDE people" (I saw the term "GNOME people" here earlier so I guess this is the appropriate term) than by "GNOME people".
I wouldn't trust a journalist to tell the truth anyway. To lie and skew reality is part of the job description.
Btw, Miguel expressed these "concerns" when he started GNOME. I guess it could be the KOM/OpenParts stuff he is referring to. I think he and Torben Weis have a different opinion how it should be done. I think the idea to GNOME (or to a desktop environment more likely) came out of a project where Miguel and Federico was implementing something ActiveX like on *nix, but i may be wrong. So how the object model should be implemented is probably kinda fundamental.
Do a search for GNOME or Redhat in kde-list and you will see.
/mill
Not as much as a joke as your attempts to put down others' work. How about showing us what you have done that isn't a joke?
/mill - "yeah yeah, but he looked hungry.."
..and the problem is? I don't understand all this whining about support libraries. Code reuse is Good(tm).
/mill
I rather see it like - "wow, I get all this stuff without having to pay for it and it includes the source code".
Btw, with Debian apt will let you download it in a few steps.
Humm, one can wonder why you are using GNOME if you don't want (or need) "a point and click OS".
/mill
..enough willing people like RedHat, who don't care that somebody else DOES make money of their work.
/mill
RedHat make money on efforts of others and others can make money of RedHat's efforts.
I see you are still spreading this FUD of yours. GPL isn't depriving commercial developers of the use of the code. It is depriving proprieraty developers.
/mill
Btw, which projects have split because of the GPL?
Hmm, lets use the logic of your last sentence.
/mill
Do you know anyone that has never lied? I mean even about the most trivial issue, like if you ate candy before supper or not?
If you can't find anyone that is completely free from guilt then noone can be president. Because how can you trust anyone on "more important matters" when you can't trust them with trivial issues like eating candy before supper?
Btw, according to the definition of Jones' lawyers he didn't have a "sexual relationship" with Lewinsky. IANAL but I trust Johnnie Cochran on this one.
That opinion piece on memory protection is a joke. It is like security through obscurity - it doesn't work.
/mill
Only reason Macs are perceived to be more stable than Win9x is because application programmers have been more careful on MacOS. The OS itself sucks.
It got nothing to do with cost. We are talking free not gratis.
/mill
I don't have the know-how to fix my car if the engine breaks down either so therefore noone else should have the access to the engine. Leave it to the car makers to fix everything.
/mill
'Nobody will look under the hood when their brakes don't work'.
You need to understand the difference between Free and gratis.
/mill
Hippie? So you mean if one has principals and ideals as guidelines one is a hippie?!
/mill
I am a consumer too. I won't buy software that isn't Free though.
Well I find large Python programs close to impossible to grok, because of its use of indentation.
:-).
/mill
Python might be a cleaner OO scripting language, but for text processing I rather use Perl. I would use neither for application development (unless they are very small).
Well I will go back to my module writing - Perl of course
Well from my reading of his posts to the Perl-XML list I know he has the expertise in the field.
/mill
Your credentials are of course unknown when you are just another Anonymous Coward.
Except for its braindead syntax.
m l#6.2
/mill
http://sunsite.auc.dk/www.python.org/doc/FAQ.ht
"Since there are no begin/end brackets there cannot be a disagreement between grouping perceived by the parser and the human reader. I remember long ago seeing a C fragment like this:
if (x = y)
x++;
y--;
z++;
and staring a long time at it wondering why y was being decremented even for x > y... (And I wasn't a C newbie then either.)"
Well the natural and simple solution is of course to not allow statement bodies that aren't enclosed by brackets (something I always do anyway).
"[some crap about saving lines of code with a forced coding style guide]"
I say - get a better editor.