I don't think so. They're really different, at least in appearance and implementation. For one thing, AOL has nothing close to kerberos (in functionality or difficulty of installation). The only real similarity is that you send messages in real time to other people online. Their ideas of classes are really different. AIM's classes are just groups that you can put buddies in. Zehpyr's classes are different: for instance, when I was at MIT I was in the "rsi" class. I could zephyr everyone in "rsi" at once. In that sense it was a little like IRC. Can't do that with AIM.
Anybody else notice that this is the first wide-spread survey regarding developer mindshare of GNOME and KDE? Seems they're about even, which I suppose is a good thing. Sure, the statistics are probably biased (maybe one group hates Inprise or commercial software more than the other; maybe one group hates surveys), but it is neat to see.
Well, I certainly wouldn't call it "3rd World", but South Korea seems to be adopting Linux (note I don't live there). They recently formed a government committee to evaluate Linux and adopt it to Korean better. So at the least the government is pro-Linux.
And they're also anti-Microsoft. The head of Microsoft-Korea recently resigned, citing "family concerns". Of course, it's more likely he was just taking a fall. You see, Microsoft recently tried to buy out the company that made the best-selling Korean word processor, but for some reason that fell through (either government regulation or because the company said no). So, to compete, they started offering MS Word for $5 per year! As a result, they've gotten in trouble with the Korean government for dumping. It's not going very well, and that's a more likely reason that the president resigned.
So this isn't a perfect example. It's not even third-world, but the types of places you are discussing seem general enough to include S. Korea, which seems to be embracing Linux even better than the US or Europe.
Is the ALSA API really GPL'd. While that seems very nice, surely it will inhibit acceptance of the API and the amount of support it will receive; they're not exactly in a position to dictate terms, are they? Or has Linus blessed them? It just seems like an X-style license would be more approriate. Any ALSA people reading want to explain the decision (I have no doubt they put some thought into this)? Also, any reason alsa-project.org is down?
That was very interesting. I use Linux as my desktop, but you're right, it probably is more for the geek factor than usefulness. Things are certainly improving (as you note). One question about this line:
Some of the Linux desktops (using E and Wmaker, for example) look good in screenshots, but very little thought or work has been put into functionality and modularity.
Why do you say they're not modular, at least as compared to Windows? Perhaps they're not as modular as, say, the GNU command-line tools, but for GUIs (I know they're not GUIs, but that's the best generalization I can come up with) they seem to be doing pretty well (WindowMaker's dock and In what way do you mean they lack modularity? It's not that I don't believe you--I just don't understand your use of the term.
Well, I remember Red Hat announcing that the expensive version of 6.0 would have ViaVoice. And it's not free for SuSE or Red Hat. You can't redistribute it and must pay to get the package.
If you go to linuxgames.com you can see that Loki didn't actually want to announce this yet. Some guy at Raven announced the server for Linux and off-handedly mentioned that some company named Loki was going to be doing the client port. A few hours later, Loki announced it officially. Oops!
Well, you're not sending an email. You have to actually mail it in, I believe. This is to cut down on such things as you warn against. Any flamers here going to go to the trouble of getting a stamp?
And what is there to be possibly mad about anyway?
1. Cheap shipping to AK and HI (though the rest of us subsidize it)
2 automatic pickup (just leave it in the box! You have to drop stuff off or call ahead for UPS or FedEx to get it)
3. Government workers can't strike. I'm not sure that postal workers count as goverment workers (it's a special case of a semi-public entity, like AmTrak). We all remember that little kink with UPS.
About two months ago there was a study saying that now over 50% of households have computers. I submitted it to/. but it didn't get posted. And to think--you would have known! Oh well!
Close, but not quite, I think. The NVidia people picked up the code written by the "crowd" for the G200 and ported it to the TNT, not the other way around.
And it seems like it's more a GLX crowd than a G200 crowd now, despite the mailing list name. Stuff like GART and DMA support isn't Matrox specific.
Most people in that experiment didn't want to shock people. They just said "Am I really supposed to be doing this? Is this safe?" and the researcher on hand would nod. They also did a variant where the researcher was only over an intercom. It didn't work nearly as well. The point was that people would do drastic things if they thought they were being ordered to or could blame someone else (it's been used to justify the actions of WWII Germans, for better or worse). It had nothing to do with sadism. No one enjoyed it, and many people from that experiment suffered severe trauma.
No, I have to disagree with you on this. There are certain actions/circumstances in a free market that can prevent that market from working properly. These include monopolies, monopsonies (supply-side monopolies, such as unions), ologopolies (is ologopsonies even a word?), and dumping. Dumping involves a company running at a short-term loss (otherwise an irrational behavior, something else that hurts a free market) in the hopes that they can eventually become a monopoly. If this succeeds, the market suffers.
The dynamics of this market aren't as rosy as you paint them to be. AMD can no longer just pump out a few Intel clones. It takes massive resources. That's why they're building a fab in Dresden. Also, Intel has a lot of money--in the billions. AMD has 0. They have less than 0. They can operate at a loss until their investors/creditors stop giving them money. Intel can do this until the above are met and they run out of cash.
Perfect markets change, not all markets. x86 chip production is nowhere near a perfect market, especially if one sells below cost. This is not to say that Intel is doing that (I doubt they are). Just giving my argument in general.
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I thought Inman withdrew himself from candidacy. At least that's what he told us (I also asked him if there were really aliens. He said "no". Made me sad.)
I can't find it now (archive's not working), but on amdzone they had a report on the power consumption of the Athlons (not sure who the source was). 60W!!!! Sheesh. Not that I don't want one, though!
E*TRADE has a policy that you have to have made 75 trades during the past year to be on the "preferred list" for IPOs. Have you done this? Just repeating what my dad told me.
Well, I'm a Duke student and I belong to DULUG (betcha can figure that one out). Every once in a while a lady at Red Hat (don't know what her position is; she seems to have to deal with LUGs) sends out an email to our mailing list saying "Come to the Cary B&N to meet the GNOME developers". I've always had play rehearsal or something, so I've never gone. I'd like to, though.
Does this mean Havoc will come to the Cary B&N meetings with the GNOME developers? I may actually come to one now. Just have to find the time . . .
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Although Microsoft has an extremely fast application server platform, PC Week Labs finds its offering has weaker manageability, fault tolerance and load balancing than the other products Doculabs tested. (For more on the pros and cons of Microsoft's approach, see story.)
For example, Microsoft wrote all its state management code by hand to get both fault tolerance and maximum speed--IIS' state management engine has no support for either fault tolerance or clustering.
In addition, MTS has no load balancing or failover support. Each Microsoft Web server was hard-coded to use one specific MTS back end--so, had anything gone wrong at the back-end layer (but not at the Web server layer), it would have been harder for IIS to recover than for any other product tested. Microsoft provides load balancing at the Web server layer; application server load balancing will be part of Windows 2000.
Um, so yeah. Also note that none of the servers were running on Linux anyway. Why did you bring this up?
But he's going to use normal-sized actors for everything and shrink them down, so they'll at least look "together". If he uses minnie-me, that'll be one of the few actual small people he uses.
How could Peter Jackson screw this up? He created Meet the Feebles!!! Same deal.
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I don't think so. They're really different, at least in appearance and implementation. For one thing, AOL has nothing close to kerberos (in functionality or difficulty of installation). The only real similarity is that you send messages in real time to other people online. Their ideas of classes are really different. AIM's classes are just groups that you can put buddies in. Zehpyr's classes are different: for instance, when I was at MIT I was in the "rsi" class. I could zephyr everyone in "rsi" at once. In that sense it was a little like IRC. Can't do that with AIM.
Anybody else notice that this is the first wide-spread survey regarding developer mindshare of GNOME and KDE? Seems they're about even, which I suppose is a good thing. Sure, the statistics are probably biased (maybe one group hates Inprise or commercial software more than the other; maybe one group hates surveys), but it is neat to see.
Well, I certainly wouldn't call it "3rd World", but South Korea seems to be adopting Linux (note I don't live there). They recently formed a government committee to evaluate Linux and adopt it to Korean better. So at the least the government is pro-Linux.
And they're also anti-Microsoft. The head of Microsoft-Korea recently resigned, citing "family concerns". Of course, it's more likely he was just taking a fall. You see, Microsoft recently tried to buy out the company that made the best-selling Korean word processor, but for some reason that fell through (either government regulation or because the company said no). So, to compete, they started offering MS Word for $5 per year! As a result, they've gotten in trouble with the Korean government for dumping. It's not going very well, and that's a more likely reason that the president resigned.
So this isn't a perfect example. It's not even third-world, but the types of places you are discussing seem general enough to include S. Korea, which seems to be embracing Linux even better than the US or Europe.
I see. Well, the interview mentions alsa.h being under the GPL and this being a problem. Does #include count as linking?
Is the ALSA API really GPL'd. While that seems very nice, surely it will inhibit acceptance of the API and the amount of support it will receive; they're not exactly in a position to dictate terms, are they? Or has Linus blessed them? It just seems like an X-style license would be more approriate. Any ALSA people reading want to explain the decision (I have no doubt they put some thought into this)? Also, any reason alsa-project.org is down?
So we're going to have Python scripts that steal fingerprints? :)
Why do you say they're not modular, at least as compared to Windows? Perhaps they're not as modular as, say, the GNU command-line tools, but for GUIs (I know they're not GUIs, but that's the best generalization I can come up with) they seem to be doing pretty well (WindowMaker's dock and In what way do you mean they lack modularity? It's not that I don't believe you--I just don't understand your use of the term.
Well, I remember Red Hat announcing that the expensive version of 6.0 would have ViaVoice. And it's not free for SuSE or Red Hat. You can't redistribute it and must pay to get the package.
If you go to linuxgames.com you can see that Loki didn't actually want to announce this yet. Some guy at Raven announced the server for Linux and off-handedly mentioned that some company named Loki was going to be doing the client port. A few hours later, Loki announced it officially. Oops!
Well, you're not sending an email. You have to actually mail it in, I believe. This is to cut down on such things as you warn against. Any flamers here going to go to the trouble of getting a stamp?
And what is there to be possibly mad about anyway?
Other benefits would be
1. Cheap shipping to AK and HI (though the rest of us subsidize it)
2 automatic pickup (just leave it in the box! You have to drop stuff off or call ahead for UPS or FedEx to get it)
3. Government workers can't strike. I'm not sure that postal workers count as goverment workers (it's a special case of a semi-public entity, like AmTrak). We all remember that little kink with UPS.
About two months ago there was a study saying that now over 50% of households have computers. I submitted it to /. but it didn't get posted. And to think--you would have known! Oh well!
Oh, thanks. I had no idea there were different kinds of underwriting.
If no one buys the stock, Goldman Sachs has to buy it. They get the $96m either way.
Close, but not quite, I think. The NVidia people picked up the code written by the "crowd" for the G200 and ported it to the TNT, not the other way around.
And it seems like it's more a GLX crowd than a G200 crowd now, despite the mailing list name. Stuff like GART and DMA support isn't Matrox specific.
Most people in that experiment didn't want to shock people. They just said "Am I really supposed to be doing this? Is this safe?" and the researcher on hand would nod. They also did a variant where the researcher was only over an intercom. It didn't work nearly as well. The point was that people would do drastic things if they thought they were being ordered to or could blame someone else (it's been used to justify the actions of WWII Germans, for better or worse). It had nothing to do with sadism. No one enjoyed it, and many people from that experiment suffered severe trauma.
No, I have to disagree with you on this. There are certain actions/circumstances in a free market that can prevent that market from working properly. These include monopolies, monopsonies (supply-side monopolies, such as unions), ologopolies (is ologopsonies even a word?), and dumping. Dumping involves a company running at a short-term loss (otherwise an irrational behavior, something else that hurts a free market) in the hopes that they can eventually become a monopoly. If this succeeds, the market suffers.
The dynamics of this market aren't as rosy as you paint them to be. AMD can no longer just pump out a few Intel clones. It takes massive resources. That's why they're building a fab in Dresden. Also, Intel has a lot of money--in the billions. AMD has 0. They have less than 0. They can operate at a loss until their investors/creditors stop giving them money. Intel can do this until the above are met and they run out of cash.
Perfect markets change, not all markets. x86 chip production is nowhere near a perfect market, especially if one sells below cost. This is not to say that Intel is doing that (I doubt they are). Just giving my argument in general.
I thought Inman withdrew himself from candidacy. At least that's what he told us (I also asked him if there were really aliens. He said "no". Made me sad.)
Are you trying to insult us Mississippians? Eh? Eh? Don't make me get my gun (ok, I don't actually own any guns).
I can't find it now (archive's not working), but on amdzone they had a report on the power consumption of the Athlons (not sure who the source was). 60W!!!! Sheesh. Not that I don't want one, though!
E*TRADE has a policy that you have to have made 75 trades during the past year to be on the "preferred list" for IPOs. Have you done this? Just repeating what my dad told me.
Well, I'm a Duke student and I belong to DULUG (betcha can figure that one out). Every once in a while a lady at Red Hat (don't know what her position is; she seems to have to deal with LUGs) sends out an email to our mailing list saying "Come to the Cary B&N to meet the GNOME developers". I've always had play rehearsal or something, so I've never gone. I'd like to, though.
Does this mean Havoc will come to the Cary B&N meetings with the GNOME developers? I may actually come to one now. Just have to find the time . . .
Um, so yeah. Also note that none of the servers were running on Linux anyway. Why did you bring this up?
But he's going to use normal-sized actors for everything and shrink them down, so they'll at least look "together". If he uses minnie-me, that'll be one of the few actual small people he uses.
How could Peter Jackson screw this up? He created Meet the Feebles!!! Same deal.