If someone hacks your system, you have the total right to wipe their data (conter-hacking)
The idea comes from one of my aqaintances who had someone target him with a virus. (particularly nasty one) He responded by sending his own program. Result: One hard drive full of viruses and script kiddy tools wiped out.
Is this such a bad idea? Let sysadmins go after harmful crackers (eg a virus that wipes hard drive-no restrictions, making a zombie-a few restrictions, changing one file-a lot of restrictions, and just getting in (no harm)-same for sysadmin)
This would certainly promote a decine in the number of script kiddies with "wipe the hd" type programs, one way or another.
I am one of the people who had a bad experence, and a good experence with rh7.
Experence #1: installed on secondary machine, with USB mouse (stupid windows users complaining that they wouldn't work, bs) Installed fine, works great.
Experence #2: In my main computer, it has a semi-bad cdrom, and impressed by #1, I decided to try it. It failed. Oh well, reboot wait until I find a SCSI cdrom. On reboot I found out that it messed with my 45GB drive's partion table. (which contains everything except/,/boot and some swap). I had a presention on something at the next LUG meeting. I could not get it to restore the table, until after the presentaion (got all my data back). It was only rh 7 that could have done it. I use red hat, although if they had debian disks at LUG meeting... <P>
I had a bad experence. Oh, well. I will continue using red hat, because I happen to like it. I also downloaded and use (prior to this) kde1.9x, 2.4.0-testx and xf4.0xx. I don't like the 2.96 gcc, or the fact that rpm 4 won't install with rpm 3 from the rh7 cd (couldn't you have put rpm rpm packages on?). I think that if people want to be bleeding edge (there is a reason it is called bleeding) then there should be a seperate directory (which there is) and things like gcc 2.96 should have been in there. I will still use red hat because I first used red hat. I think that is why I like it best, and it had what I thought I needed or wanted, not to mention that when I had some problem with kde compiling bero responded right away, but it took an alpha kernel hacker to solve<BR><BR>
<P>How about "apt-get install rpm"?
The really nice thing Compaq does is offer compatibility libs to tru64 for linux.
This works well for everything I have tried. Now I wonder if fx86! or whatever its called (a really good emulator of x86 will work under the compat-libs). Anyone know? (Yes, I know about em86)
Um. An alpha is no more than 30% faster?
A friend of mine benchmarked a 500 Atlon vs a (2 year old) 533 Alpha) results:
Alpha FP blows the stuffing out of the Atlon, 3-5x faster
Athlon had out of 7 tests on integer, was faster on 2.
Overall: Alpha 21164 is 1.5x faster than an equivelent Athlon in MHz.
The 21264s are MUCH faster (2-5x or so) and would blow about any Athlon out of the water. A 500MHz or faster will blow all Athlons out of the water, of course, Athlons are MUCH cheaper, unless you can pick up a used Alpha.
There are some problems, not all video cards work, but they use regular PCI/ISA cards, boot differently(milo,srm), and can use much more ram. They are/were way ahead of their time. A 133 or so was out when 486s were and could (MB limit) handle 128MB of RAM. Those still beat the crap out of most Pentium (MMXs) that were from the time when alphas were getting much faster. They were the first at 500MHz, and the problem with finding 1GHz Alphas is that they need faster (DDR) ram. Acording to something I saw, if they had faster ram most 21264s could be clocked up to 1GHz or faster, but the ram can't handle it.
Note that all Nx is estimated from data, and averaged. This was not a real scientific study.
Yes there is a big performance increase under ccc over gcc.
As to performance, I am willing to bet that under ccc, a 2 year old alpha would kick the stuffing out of any x86, m86k, sparc, mips or any other arch.
In fact at my University, they got a 16 processor origin box that linking 8 alphas from the math department in a beowolf (ranging from ~133 (or 166) to 533) would kill it.
I sit here typing on a 5 year old alpha which is 300MHz:)
an issue with an Intel spec (AGP)?
Wonder why that happened.
There isn't a single dealer I know that would recommend AMD over Intel. I've never seen an AMD web server able to sustain a ping under 100ms. All this points to AMD's contempt for pure performance, as opposed to their lust for a slapdash way of getting profit
Umm...Where have you been for the last year?
Athlons have a 10-20% (older spec) preformance increase over an equivelent P3. (Of course, Alphas still cream them 150%(21164s) to about 500%(21264s) that is with gcc the optimised x86 compiler that works on most other things)
The price of a 1GHz Athlon $550, 1GHz P3 >$1000
I have dealers who recommend AMD-K6s over P2s, Durons or Athlons over P3s. Not the kind that stick their heads in the sand, and believe Intel's marketing. Plus, Intel's chips are not reliable, the 1.13 GHz recall and I have a friend who got a new (retail-boxed) P3-600 which burned out.
I use linux, on Alpha, and x86. That being said:
Windows NT (which was originally written for Alphas if what people have told me is correct) did run on a 64-bit platform -Alpha. It ran well, and only crashed once in about a year of running it. It was not written by Microsoft however, and when DEC was bought by Compaq, they saw lots and lots of money going to M$ so that DEC could write their code. Compaq stoped that. I have heard that the betas of NT 5 (win 2000) were more stable than the final release on x86. NT 4 on alpha is still stable, but after the lack of support, it likely has some security holes that haven't been patched, and costs lots of money.
Mr. Somerson wrongly claims that if the entertainment industry had its way, people would "never again own anything outright." The fact is, if Mr. Somerson had his way, artists would never again own their own music, and there wouldn't be any further incentive to make it.
Um... Don't the RIAA's members (recording studios) own the music, not the artists?
In news today, the Mir station was deorbited, landing on the headquarters of Slashdot(slashdot.org). When asked about the damage, Slashdot's CmdrTaco responded by saying that it was only a little hotter than normal. Moderators on Slashdot set a record with the number of (-1 flamebait) moderations.
You could get these working in rh6.2. I am currently running xfree4.0 (4.0.1 or 3.3.6 are 5 commands away, or a script) 2.4-test8 and kde 1.94. I have heard good things about rh 7 from one person, and various internet sites. I would have upgraded already, but my computer caused 2 cdroms to stop working. I after downloading things had one problem with the 3 things (xf4.0 didn't set up a voodoo3 right) on x86. On Alpha, geting kde2 betas to work was a pain, with very competent help, and it still didn't work until 1.94 (and those people made a patch).
I like that Red Hat included these things, but on Disk 2. Which means you DON'T have to install them! Yes it is a x.0, but I have had no (redhat or linux caused) problems with (when I ran it) 6.0.
If you don't want to be cutting edge, use Debian, or keep your current distro, otherwise, don't complain. There is a reason why it is called CUTTING or BLEEDING edge.
Alphalinux docs are out there! trywww.linuxdoc.org
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I had no problems putting rh6.2 on alpha. I looked at the MILO-HOWTO, downloaded linload, and the MILO (I am lazy) for XL 300. Made a floppy, and that was all (aside from the CD not working, and having to barrow a SCSI CD-ROM).
Maybe years ago, it wasn't there, but now it is really easy to get to.
Oh, yeah, has anyone else noticed the problems with kde2 betas? there is a patch on alphalinux.org (somewhere), and kmail crashes.
Um... 5.2 had ALPHA support (and SPARC). The thing is that the code redhat uses is not correct for alphas. (64-bit problems, devide by zero, etc.) So what they do (at least on alphas) is release the x86 SRPMS, and distro. Fix up the SRPMS (now ALPHA-SRPMS) to run on alpha, then build and release the Alpha release. They then incorperate the changes into the next release, which by then there are some more bugs, (a never ending cycle, while things like KDE aren't tested on Alphas. I have two of less than a dozen (based on downloads of a patch) alphas in the USA that run kde 1.94. anyway...) Wait for a while until Alpha, and hopefully SPARC builds come out.
The typical US person is rather ill informed. Most US people aren't dumb, just mis-informed. Lets help educate them.
You won't get an IQ bonus for logging on, (( just some news that matters in reality, not the my cat was treed, my dog died sort of news,)) but it may take your ignorance down alot.
You won't get an IQ bonus for logging on, but it may take your ignorance down alot.
there is the new/. ad.
Oh, well, most people are "happy" being mindless drones.
Ditto here, but the problem is that most programmers run x86 machines, and so the code is not "64-bit clean". So there need to be patches made. These patches are made then put into alpha rpms. The patches are incorperated into the next general SRPMS (6.2 alpha patches are in 7.0 SRPMS. 7.0 will be in 7.1, etc) but because of this, wait for a few weeks (variable) before it comes out.
This is second+ hand from another alpha user so if anyone knows more, post.
I am in the process of backing up all my PC game CDs, because my CivCTP one broke. If I owned a game console, I would make backups of all of my CDs because if I didn't, I know I would have to go out and get a new copy of a game regularly. This is just like the old 8088 I used. You got a floppy (original), then you copied the floppy to another (working) and used the working copy. Are you going to tell me that was wrong, or that copying a game on a hard drive to a CD to make sure that all your stuff works if the HD goes bad is wrong? Give me a break.
Actually they use gcc for their compiler. I haven't seen it (no geek I know has one). Looking in KDE 2 it looks like it should run on it, and has support. Another person said that the system interface (or something) was either qt or kde, anyone know anything about this?
KDE 2 being in final beta is scary when things like kmail don't work on real computers like Alphas. I am scared what kde 2 final will be lik on alpha.
I recall reading an interview in Linux Magazine where ESR stated that the government should basically be abolished, along with M$.
I couldn't get to the actual report, but posts say that ESR was on a government commitee.
Anyone know why he would do it?
That is definately one thing that all the "geeks" I know do.
One of the reasons I am a geek is because I would question everything.
Between myself and some friends, who are very intelegent, that was/is one of the things that was most talked about.
We asked questions, and each decided on our own view. I personally am either an agnostic/athiest. Depends on how I am thinking.
Most Religions, if they follow their own values, I respect. However, how many people actually do. What is funny is that NONE of the people who say that (generic) "the church, book, etc" is the teaching of morals or ethics, are more ethical or moral than any (aside from one person) agnostic/athiest.
Leave me alone, and I leave you alone. Bug me and discover I can start tossing out facts on (most semiknown) your religion that you will not like. For example: are you greedy and a christian? Greed is one of the worst sins, and actually you should be (according to the bible) shunned everywhere.
Fire is the essense of Slashdot. In flam - Sad if you recognise the game series.
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Minimum System Requirements
Linux Kernel 2.2.9 or higher
(see that? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
GNU C Libraries (glibc) 2.0 or 2.1
Processor/Video Pentium 233 MHZ with 8 MB video card*, or Pentium II 266 MHz with 4 MB video card*, or AMD K6-350 MHZ with 4 MB video card*
CD-ROM 4x CD-ROM drive (600 KB/s sustained transfer rate)
RAM 64 MB
Sound OSS compatible sound card
etc...
Perhaps you didn't try? It runs fine under a friend's RH 6.2 (or is it Corel 1.0?)
Maybe, Oh look, I am going to see a problem, and quit.
OK, Linux is not (in market share) greater than Windows, but it is growing rapidly. Several computers I have gotten had windows on them, and fdisk was the solution (all right-disk druid). Windows dies, Linux takes over. Some Companies, ship the computer without an OS (Alpha-264-600MHz for 29000 w/shipping) which results in less linux count. I know lots of people who have lots of computers running linux, 5+ (I only have 4 installed (just got a debian 2,2 cd set +2 or more), and 2 for the rest of the family). That means that there are for my family (assuming 10%linux, 90% windows) 72 people running linux. Other friends have 13+ (I think) running linux, and there are 117 windows users per one of them?
Give me a break, and I am too tired to preview it.
does that take into account the people who build computers from parts, and/or replace Windows with Linux?
Add 5 to the Linux side for my family. (2 new, 3 replace win98/95 nt)
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Will people quit with the KDE vs GNOME flamewar?
or should slashdot add a new area (server, whatever) called flamewar?
I like both (Usually use KDE2betas)
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From my reading of the GPL I seem to recall a you can make changes, without having to release them as long as you did not distribute it. Looking at the COPYING file from 2.4-test6, section 2 seems to say this. My question is does giving it to other organizations, (Army, Navy, etc) would be distribution.
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They were fun to play with, and according to some, alive today.
Supposedly there are 20MHz accelerators, 16MB ram modules (used like a hard drive) and some other stuff.
I lost mine in a flood in 97.
If someone hacks your system, you have the total right to wipe their data (conter-hacking)
The idea comes from one of my aqaintances who had someone target him with a virus. (particularly nasty one) He responded by sending his own program.
Result: One hard drive full of viruses and script kiddy tools wiped out.
Is this such a bad idea? Let sysadmins go after harmful crackers (eg a virus that wipes hard drive-no restrictions, making a zombie-a few restrictions, changing one file-a lot of restrictions, and just getting in (no harm)-same for sysadmin)
This would certainly promote a decine in the number of script kiddies with "wipe the hd" type programs, one way or another.
Experence #1: installed on secondary machine, with USB mouse (stupid windows users complaining that they wouldn't work, bs) Installed fine, works great.
Experence #2: In my main computer, it has a semi-bad cdrom, and impressed by #1, I decided to try it. It failed. Oh well, reboot wait until I find a SCSI cdrom. On reboot I found out that it messed with my 45GB drive's partion table. (which contains everything except /, /boot and some swap). I had a presention on something at the next LUG meeting. I could not get it to restore the table, until after the presentaion (got all my data back). It was only rh 7 that could have done it. I use red hat, although if they had debian disks at LUG meeting... <P>
I had a bad experence. Oh, well. I will continue using red hat, because I happen to like it. I also downloaded and use (prior to this) kde1.9x, 2.4.0-testx and xf4.0xx. I don't like the 2.96 gcc, or the fact that rpm 4 won't install with rpm 3 from the rh7 cd (couldn't you have put rpm rpm packages on?). I think that if people want to be bleeding edge (there is a reason it is called bleeding) then there should be a seperate directory (which there is) and things like gcc 2.96 should have been in there. I will still use red hat because I first used red hat. I think that is why I like it best, and it had what I thought I needed or wanted, not to mention that when I had some problem with kde compiling bero responded right away, but it took an alpha kernel hacker to solve<BR><BR>
<P>How about "apt-get install rpm"?
The really nice thing Compaq does is offer compatibility libs to tru64 for linux.
This works well for everything I have tried.
Now I wonder if fx86! or whatever its called (a really good emulator of x86 will work under the compat-libs). Anyone know? (Yes, I know about em86)
Um. An alpha is no more than 30% faster?
A friend of mine benchmarked a 500 Atlon vs a (2 year old) 533 Alpha) results:
Alpha FP blows the stuffing out of the Atlon, 3-5x faster
Athlon had out of 7 tests on integer, was faster on 2.
Overall: Alpha 21164 is 1.5x faster than an equivelent Athlon in MHz.
The 21264s are MUCH faster (2-5x or so) and would blow about any Athlon out of the water. A 500MHz or faster will blow all Athlons out of the water, of course, Athlons are MUCH cheaper, unless you can pick up a used Alpha.
There are some problems, not all video cards work, but they use regular PCI/ISA cards, boot differently(milo,srm), and can use much more ram. They are/were way ahead of their time. A 133 or so was out when 486s were and could (MB limit) handle 128MB of RAM. Those still beat the crap out of most Pentium (MMXs) that were from the time when alphas were getting much faster. They were the first at 500MHz, and the problem with finding 1GHz Alphas is that they need faster (DDR) ram. Acording to something I saw, if they had faster ram most 21264s could be clocked up to 1GHz or faster, but the ram can't handle it.
Note that all Nx is estimated from data, and averaged. This was not a real scientific study.
As to performance, I am willing to bet that under ccc, a 2 year old alpha would kick the stuffing out of any x86, m86k, sparc, mips or any other arch.
In fact at my University, they got a 16 processor origin box that linking 8 alphas from the math department in a beowolf (ranging from ~133 (or 166) to 533) would kill it.
I sit here typing on a 5 year old alpha which is 300MHz :)
Wonder why that happened.
There isn't a single dealer I know that would recommend AMD over Intel. I've never seen an AMD web server able to sustain a ping under 100ms. All this points to AMD's contempt for pure performance, as opposed to their lust for a slapdash way of getting profit
Umm...Where have you been for the last year?
Athlons have a 10-20% (older spec) preformance increase over an equivelent P3. (Of course, Alphas still cream them 150%(21164s) to about 500%(21264s) that is with gcc the optimised x86 compiler that works on most other things)
The price of a 1GHz Athlon $550, 1GHz P3 >$1000
I have dealers who recommend AMD-K6s over P2s, Durons or Athlons over P3s. Not the kind that stick their heads in the sand, and believe Intel's marketing. Plus, Intel's chips are not reliable, the 1.13 GHz recall and I have a friend who got a new (retail-boxed) P3-600 which burned out.
I use linux, on Alpha, and x86. That being said:
Windows NT (which was originally written for Alphas if what people have told me is correct) did run on a 64-bit platform -Alpha. It ran well, and only crashed once in about a year of running it. It was not written by Microsoft however, and when DEC was bought by Compaq, they saw lots and lots of money going to M$ so that DEC could write their code. Compaq stoped that. I have heard that the betas of NT 5 (win 2000) were more stable than the final release on x86. NT 4 on alpha is still stable, but after the lack of support, it likely has some security holes that haven't been patched, and costs lots of money.
Mr. Somerson wrongly claims that if the entertainment industry had its way, people would "never again own anything outright." The fact is, if Mr. Somerson had his way, artists would never again own their own music, and there wouldn't be any further incentive to make it. Um... Don't the RIAA's members (recording studios) own the music, not the artists?
In news today, the Mir station was deorbited, landing on the headquarters of Slashdot(slashdot.org). When asked about the damage, Slashdot's CmdrTaco responded by saying that it was only a little hotter than normal. Moderators on Slashdot set a record with the number of (-1 flamebait) moderations.
You could get these working in rh6.2. I am currently running xfree4.0 (4.0.1 or 3.3.6 are 5 commands away, or a script) 2.4-test8 and kde 1.94. I have heard good things about rh 7 from one person, and various internet sites. I would have upgraded already, but my computer caused 2 cdroms to stop working. I after downloading things had one problem with the 3 things (xf4.0 didn't set up a voodoo3 right) on x86. On Alpha, geting kde2 betas to work was a pain, with very competent help, and it still didn't work until 1.94 (and those people made a patch).
I like that Red Hat included these things, but on Disk 2. Which means you DON'T have to install them! Yes it is a x.0, but I have had no (redhat or linux caused) problems with (when I ran it) 6.0.
If you don't want to be cutting edge, use Debian, or keep your current distro, otherwise, don't complain. There is a reason why it is called CUTTING or BLEEDING edge.
I had no problems putting rh6.2 on alpha. I looked at the MILO-HOWTO, downloaded linload, and the MILO (I am lazy) for XL 300. Made a floppy, and that was all (aside from the CD not working, and having to barrow a SCSI CD-ROM).
Maybe years ago, it wasn't there, but now it is really easy to get to.
Oh, yeah, has anyone else noticed the problems with kde2 betas? there is a patch on alphalinux.org (somewhere), and kmail crashes.
Um... 5.2 had ALPHA support (and SPARC). The thing is that the code redhat uses is not correct for alphas. (64-bit problems, devide by zero, etc.) So what they do (at least on alphas) is release the x86 SRPMS, and distro. Fix up the SRPMS (now ALPHA-SRPMS) to run on alpha, then build and release the Alpha release. They then incorperate the changes into the next release, which by then there are some more bugs, (a never ending cycle, while things like KDE aren't tested on Alphas. I have two of less than a dozen (based on downloads of a patch) alphas in the USA that run kde 1.94. anyway...) Wait for a while until Alpha, and hopefully SPARC builds come out.
Most US people aren't dumb, just mis-informed. Lets help educate them.
You won't get an IQ bonus for logging on, (( just some news that matters in reality, not the my cat was treed, my dog died sort of news,)) but it may take your ignorance down alot. /. ad.
You won't get an IQ bonus for logging on, but it may take your ignorance down alot.
there is the new
Oh, well, most people are "happy" being mindless drones.
Oh, Dear KDE 2 is another "hacking tool", me and my big mouth!
This is second+ hand from another alpha user so if anyone knows more, post.
I am in the process of backing up all my PC game CDs, because my CivCTP one broke. If I owned a game console, I would make backups of all of my CDs because if I didn't, I know I would have to go out and get a new copy of a game regularly. This is just like the old 8088 I used. You got a floppy (original), then you copied the floppy to another (working) and used the working copy. Are you going to tell me that was wrong, or that copying a game on a hard drive to a CD to make sure that all your stuff works if the HD goes bad is wrong? Give me a break.
KDE 2 being in final beta is scary when things like kmail don't work on real computers like Alphas. I am scared what kde 2 final will be lik on alpha.
I read several places that you could either get suse as 6 cds or a dvd.
Does anyone know how they made it (pay a company or made it themselves?)
I couldn't get to the actual report, but posts say that ESR was on a government commitee.
Anyone know why he would do it?
We asked questions, and each decided on our own view. I personally am either an agnostic/athiest. Depends on how I am thinking.
Most Religions, if they follow their own values, I respect. However, how many people actually do. What is funny is that NONE of the people who say that (generic) "the church, book, etc" is the teaching of morals or ethics, are more ethical or moral than any (aside from one person) agnostic/athiest.
Leave me alone, and I leave you alone. Bug me and discover I can start tossing out facts on (most semiknown) your religion that you will not like. For example: are you greedy and a christian? Greed is one of the worst sins, and actually you should be (according to the bible) shunned everywhere.
Fire is the essense of Slashdot. In flam - Sad if you recognise the game series.
RTFM or loki's website.
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Minimum System Requirements
Linux Kernel 2.2.9 or higher
(see that? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
GNU C Libraries (glibc) 2.0 or 2.1
Processor/Video Pentium 233 MHZ with 8 MB video card*, or Pentium II 266 MHz with 4 MB video card*, or AMD K6-350 MHZ with 4 MB video card*
CD-ROM 4x CD-ROM drive (600 KB/s sustained transfer rate)
RAM 64 MB
Sound OSS compatible sound card
etc...
Perhaps you didn't try? It runs fine under a friend's RH 6.2 (or is it Corel 1.0?)
Maybe, Oh look, I am going to see a problem, and quit.
OK, Linux is not (in market share) greater than Windows, but it is growing rapidly. Several computers I have gotten had windows on them, and fdisk was the solution (all right-disk druid). Windows dies, Linux takes over. Some Companies, ship the computer without an OS (Alpha-264-600MHz for 29000 w/shipping) which results in less linux count. I know lots of people who have lots of computers running linux, 5+ (I only have 4 installed (just got a debian 2,2 cd set +2 or more), and 2 for the rest of the family). That means that there are for my family (assuming 10%linux, 90% windows) 72 people running linux. Other friends have 13+ (I think) running linux, and there are 117 windows users per one of them? Give me a break, and I am too tired to preview it.
does that take into account the people who build computers from parts, and/or replace Windows with Linux?
Add 5 to the Linux side for my family. (2 new, 3 replace win98/95 nt)
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Will people quit with the KDE vs GNOME flamewar?
or should slashdot add a new area (server, whatever) called flamewar?
I like both (Usually use KDE2betas)
</OFFTOPIC>
From my reading of the GPL I seem to recall a you can make changes, without having to release them as long as you did not distribute it. Looking at the COPYING file from 2.4-test6, section 2 seems to say this. My question is does giving it to other organizations, (Army, Navy, etc) would be distribution.