WINDOWS DOES NOT SUPPORT ALL HARDWARE. Try running a "modern" 2000, me it on anything other than an x86. Linux run alphas, Windows doesn't. Or how about s\390? Or my hp cdrw (that is supposed to work with windows and doesn't)?
ALL WEB BROWSERS DO NOT RUN ON WINDOWS. Konqueror, lynx.
Most software? nope, and neither does any operating system. I think Linux has a bigger base of software than Windows does. I run binarys from OSF/1, DigitalUnix and whatever compaq is calling it now on Alpha. Similar things on other platforms. Plus, lots of windows applications run under Linux.
Easy to use GUI? Oh, the blue screen thing? No, really, twm is MUCH easier to learn, as are several other window managers.
I agree that the US is rather Socialist, in some respects, but that is not MS's problem. MS's problem is that they do not understand how their own operating system works. See the DOS code left in ME because they are not sure they can remove it without killing the os. Windows has gotten moldy. Linux can just rewrite the code, because it is understandable (even a little to me), and not some huge monolithic thing. Linux is basicly free, and improving, Windows costs a lot and has not really changed since 1995, and any changes are made with a "i hope this works" attitude.
Please refrain from posting unless you look at least a little bit outside your tiny world.
I do not register any software. (The only piece I have ever registered has been a shareware package.)
I do not like anyone having my personal information, except sites I have decided can be trusted. End of Story.
I also control the computers at my house. Displite the fact that I now hate windows, 2 people have to have it, so we have a few computers with windows 95 on them. We got windows 98 (I was just being intorduced to Linux around then) for 1 computer, and I hate it. (slow, pita (pain in the a**) which happens to be the computer's hostname)
Given that there are 4 very active computer users at my house, I can say that it will never go on any of the computers if M$ does this. I throw anyone's registration cards away. I may be known as 3838429 in some database, but I will not be known in that database as my name.
If M$ considers people like me a problem, I could use the $60-$75 profit m$ made on me back, for each copy of windows.
btw, I program (hack), and do not break-in to other computers (crack). I wish to be anonymous, and take your $75 and leave me alone.
I think this is a reboot. Just as using one Linux Kernel to load another is, just as Alphas have been doing. Ever heard of MILO-Linux Mini-loader? Milo is one of the ways to boot AlphaLinux (and my favorite one) Milo is a linux kernel designed to boot another Linux kernel. It has a shell (supporting only a few commands), and can boot from anything the kernel supports. (Have to try it with parport zip disks, just for fun:) Anyway, This new x86 thing sounds just like milo, with the ability to load from a running kernel.
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"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8
I believe that the US copyright law is unconsititutional, because (1) It extends after the Author's or Inventor's death (2) That it is not neccesaraly to the Author or Inventor (companies hold copyrights) (3) The right is infringed upon by companies, and other organizations.
Brief note on the origins of copyright: It was originally a tool of oppression. It was first granted to some publishing houses in England for 7 years, with the understanding that they would suppress books and writings that were not liked by the ruling power, the king.
I think we see the origins coming through very well, but I doubt that the US Supreme Court will have the backbone to stand up to the lobbists, hired by companies that are infringing upon that Constitutional right.
I don't know macs, but I do know Alphas. (BTW a person compared a 5 year old 300MHz 21164 alpha with a 500 G4 and they were about even in terms of his perspective)
Alphas are a ?dual? (21064 486 days @ 133MHz), quad+ (21164 5-years ago, later 21164s may be more), or 32 (21264 1?year ago-current) instruction per cycle chip. A G4 is a 4 or 8 instruction per cycle chip. This translates into lots more performace over a Px or Kx, because they are basicly single instruction per cycle chips (P 4 is 3-1xint, 2xFPU). A G4 can do (int +FPU) 500 MHzx4=2000 MIPS or 2 BIPS if the FPU is 2x (as in 21164s) it will do 1Gigaflop (1000 FPU MIPS) (G4-500). That is impressive, but Alpha 21264s can do 833MHzx32 (FPU+int) 26656 MIPS or 13328 FPU MIPS. 13.3 GIGAFLOPS. x86 chips are starting to be multi-intruction per cycle, and can compare well to G4s, but are out of their league compared with Alphas (and most other CPUs). Alpha 21264s also have 80 64-bit registers for each int and FP resulting in 160 regesters total.
This assumes optimum values, and things like ram bandwidth, latency, hard drive access are not figured in. However, it is worth noteing that Alpha 21264s have 256-bit ECC DDR SDRAM memory paths, as opposed to 16-bit for P 4 and 64 for Athlon.
If I have any incorrect things in this, correct me. I am human without memory protection, and often forget things, so there is bound to be at least one incorrect sentance above.
People who don't run x86 or sparc platform. Java has never been good on anything else (it MAY be changing, but I have yet to see it). Aside from those two platforms (and any OS running on those) Java has never really worked. (Mac, and some of the stuff IBM is doing may be exceptions.) On Alpha, NT or Linux, it never ran well.
It reminds me of Transmeta's you can emulate any cpu as long as it is x86. Eventually that will change (for both, hopefully) until then, I will still use c and c++ (and I have written Java), because it is more portible. Sun's it will run on any platform (implying hardware and software) just doesn't hold up.
On your point of ease to use: Why, for most things, is something other than BASIC used? BASIC is the most similar to the English language that I have seen, and compared to that, Java doesn't have a chance.
IF Java worked as Sun says it should, I would likely use it. It doesn't. I don't.
A while back I was reading a book for a research progect, it didn't help for that, but it did talk about regenerating limbs. (I THINK it was called "the body electric", or something like that)
It talked about using anodes and cathodes inside of animals to regenerate limbs, stop infections, and do some really neat stuff. The researchers found that an anode would if the nerves were at the edge (just below, or on the surface) and were exposed to electrons (from the anode) they would grow back the limb. Things like sealing it with skin prevented the regeneration (covering it over). They showed this in mice (or rats) and in humans. (A guy had a leg fracture that would not heal so he asked them to try to use the research to regenerate it, and they did, as opposed to the 1975- treatment if it wouln't heal in a year. it worked) They found that cathodes would kill bacteria and have a much weaker, but very similar effect upon regeneration. The reason was the electrical charges would cause the cells to de-specialize (revert to things similar to stem cells, and even to stem cells). This, if the cancer was in like a leg (of a mouse), and if the limb was amputated with a cut through the cancer, it would stop the cancer, because they too would de-specialize. It leads me to the posibility that (though I will not try it) limbs could be regenerated, if the person lost them, like salamanders and some other organisms do.
The research was pre-1975 (the book came out then) but I have not found anything has come from it. If you read the entire post, sorry for the length, and likely numerous grammer/spelling errors
I believe the point he was making was that "super-fast [intel,amd]" is total BS. I personally use both alphas and amds. My 550 amd gets beat by a 300 MHz alpha. Are alphas cheap? sometimes. I saw 22 quad alphas go on ebay for about $20000. I got a 300MHz for $450.
There is a good one. From what I remember and can gather they were released in nov 1995. Alphas were at 300Mhz and even 2-3 year old alphas can match a tbird 800-900 athlon running at 533 Mhz. The 300MHz alpha I am working on will cream ANY single processor PPro in existance.
Why a dual P3 ? Dual athlon boards exist and according to a friend who will be getting one a dual-athlon ddr ide-raid boards will be out this month or next month for $189, and considering that I could have gotten 1 GHz tbirds for $295 last week at a monthly computer sale, I wonder where the advantage is in ANY intel in either price, performance, or price/performance
They are out, I am waiting for the alphas to get down to a "modern" die factor (.18 micron, as opposed to the.35 micron ones I use). I notice that the studies all have AMD vs Intel. Why not throw an Alpha (say a GS320:) in there? Really x86 is fine if you want a slow/cheap CPU with big MHz.
Benchmarkers:go to http://testdrive.compaq.com, then see how the x86 cpus look. (or PPC, or SPARC, or any other modern non-x86 cpu)
The problem with the z80 analogy, and the entire idea is that the P4 basicly requires a compiler to do anything. Whereas most (if not all) z80 programs are written in assembly. You neglect the fact that the older processor will have more efficient code (unless there is in the future a debian-2.3-intelp4, debian-2.3-amdathlon, debian-2.3-intelp3, debian-2.3-amdk6-3, debian-2.3-intelp2 and any other processor).
Nice idea in theory, but wrong in real life. However the part about increase of transistors should be right.
>If money is no object and all you care about is FP speed, buy the Intel. Otherwise buy the Athlon.
No, buy an Alpha 21264, which will beat them both in integer, and will cream both of them in FP. That is if money is no object. Otherwise get the athlon.
the average Joe does not need it, now. However, in say 3 years, will it be able to run everything? (3d games esp) Most people only use computers to check email, surf the internet, wordprocessing, and games. Games like quake 3 are as challenging if not more challenging than a low-end server. I for one, may sell my current computer mb/processor/ram and get a dual atlon 1ghz 256MB ram for under a thousand dollars. Do I need it all the time? No. Do I compile a lot of things, and not want a half hour wait for compiles? Yes. Do most people know what compiling means? hell no, most of them don't even know what source code means. Do they know that word works faster, the computer loads quicker etc the more MHz they have (in general), and more ram. Sometimes, and those who know tell the others who don't that it runs faster is the one with more ram/mhz.
The reasons are future compatibility, and 999mhz1000Mhz.
Studys I have heard about say that when someone is exposed to a high speed environment, your brain begins processing the images faster. Two places this has been seen: Gamers with high frame rates, and pro baseball players. The brain speeds up the FPS that can be seen by the person.
My question is: what is being lost, in other areas?
Yes, they are different. However, they are still slaves of x86. They can only emulate x86. This may change in the future, but until then they are a cooler, relatively slower, and likely (haven't seen the costs) more expensive machine. They are not for performace any more than a K6-2 is. They are supposed to run relatively quickly, but not compete with say an Alpha.
Personally, for cost-go x86, for performace-go alpha, for battery life/heat-go cruose or G4.
However, I see good things in the cruose's future. A friend has a PCI board with a Celeron 350 or so which plugs into the PCI bus, and takes over, perhaps curoses could do that because of power (eg cruose might run where a P3 or Athlon doesn't). (Yes, I know that is an 'old' way of doing things, but if they had a card like that, how may of us have old P75s and the like sitting around?)
Actually banks don't use Microsoft, or Unix. They use VMS, which according to what I have heard, kicks the crud out of everything else. VMS (from DEC) is posibly the best operating system, as it has everything Linux/Unix does, windows does, and I have never heard of a VMS box crashing or locking up.
CrystalSpace crystal.sourceforge.net is another cross platform graphical environment. It is intended for 3d, and runs on Amiga, *nix (x), Linux(X, svgalib, ?fb?) BeOS, Windows, Mac, etc,etc. However, a friend of mine has written a limited 2d graphics library. It runs on more hardware, and has acceleration.
Why can't geeks (etc, etc) create a second internet controled by sysadmins with the primary purpose of keeping things like this out? It would not be the "Evil Internt". Maybe an written access contract of say "I affirm that I am not a US law enforcement official, or I accept that I can, and will be monitored by free-speech sysadmins. I also afirm that any information, content, etc, I recieve will not be used in court, even under penalty of law, loss of personal property, job, torture, etc, etc"
By the way, do you know that according to the United State's Constitution, you can vote if you are under 18. It specifically forbids infringing upon 18+ year olds right to vote, but says nothing about 18.
I can agree. I used the Internet when I was about 5, via a 2400bps modem. I remember text based connections to the other side of the world, and they were just as fast (to me) as ssh over 10baseT. I could personally live in a text only internet connection world, and it would be much faster (try comparing lynx to netscape).
However, Things would not be as easy, and some things would be lost. The internet has inspired many newer people to get interested in computers. This can be good (they decide they like what they see, and try to make it better.) or bad. (They don't understand or don't like it and try to destroy it.)
Can we stop it? No. Should we stop it? No. Should we try to make it better? Yes. If it turns out badly, should we quit? No. Educate yourself, I personally want to read the bill, not an interpretation, because it may not or it may do something I like/dislike. For example, according to the US constitution, do they have to be 18 years old? No. (read it, it only says they should not be abridged for 18+ year olds)
btw: Netrek, a very good 16 player space combat game, has a good website at www.netrek.org
There were some problems on Alphas, and after a friend with the help of someone who is a c++ wizard on alphas, got it to compile, kmail would crash. There were some other things, and have they been fixed. Some of the problems existed on other 64-bit computers too.
Alright, perhaps that was a little offtopic, but when you see all this great stuff, and can't use it because of $%#$^@ 32-bit only users, it makes you a little mad.
In the real world, the 300MHz computer would a little tiny bit slower or equal to your 400MHz PPC (friend's testimony) and about a 500MHz x86(self, with = ram its basically even). MHz don't mean much over different archs. On the same arch, yeah they matter, and if you have a formula, it does matter between computers.
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ALL WEB BROWSERS DO NOT RUN ON WINDOWS. Konqueror, lynx.
Most software? nope, and neither does any operating system. I think Linux has a bigger base of software than Windows does. I run binarys from OSF/1, DigitalUnix and whatever compaq is calling it now on Alpha. Similar things on other platforms. Plus, lots of windows applications run under Linux.
Easy to use GUI? Oh, the blue screen thing? No, really, twm is MUCH easier to learn, as are several other window managers.
I agree that the US is rather Socialist, in some respects, but that is not MS's problem. MS's problem is that they do not understand how their own operating system works. See the DOS code left in ME because they are not sure they can remove it without killing the os. Windows has gotten moldy. Linux can just rewrite the code, because it is understandable (even a little to me), and not some huge monolithic thing. Linux is basicly free, and improving, Windows costs a lot and has not really changed since 1995, and any changes are made with a "i hope this works" attitude.
Please refrain from posting unless you look at least a little bit outside your tiny world.
I do not like anyone having my personal information, except sites I have decided can be trusted. End of Story.
I also control the computers at my house. Displite the fact that I now hate windows, 2 people have to have it, so we have a few computers with windows 95 on them. We got windows 98 (I was just being intorduced to Linux around then) for 1 computer, and I hate it. (slow, pita (pain in the a**) which happens to be the computer's hostname)
Given that there are 4 very active computer users at my house, I can say that it will never go on any of the computers if M$ does this. I throw anyone's registration cards away. I may be known as 3838429 in some database, but I will not be known in that database as my name.
If M$ considers people like me a problem, I could use the $60-$75 profit m$ made on me back, for each copy of windows.
btw, I program (hack), and do not break-in to other computers (crack). I wish to be anonymous, and take your $75 and leave me alone.
I think this is a reboot. Just as using one Linux Kernel to load another is, just as Alphas have been doing. Ever heard of MILO-Linux Mini-loader? Milo is one of the ways to boot AlphaLinux (and my favorite one) Milo is a linux kernel designed to boot another Linux kernel. It has a shell (supporting only a few commands), and can boot from anything the kernel supports. (Have to try it with parport zip disks, just for fun :) Anyway, This new x86 thing sounds just like milo, with the ability to load from a running kernel.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8
I believe that the US copyright law is unconsititutional, because (1) It extends after the Author's or Inventor's death (2) That it is not neccesaraly to the Author or Inventor (companies hold copyrights) (3) The right is infringed upon by companies, and other organizations.
Brief note on the origins of copyright: It was originally a tool of oppression. It was first granted to some publishing houses in England for 7 years, with the understanding that they would suppress books and writings that were not liked by the ruling power, the king.
I think we see the origins coming through very well, but I doubt that the US Supreme Court will have the backbone to stand up to the lobbists, hired by companies that are infringing upon that Constitutional right.
Alphas are a ?dual? (21064 486 days @ 133MHz), quad+ (21164 5-years ago, later 21164s may be more), or 32 (21264 1?year ago-current) instruction per cycle chip. A G4 is a 4 or 8 instruction per cycle chip. This translates into lots more performace over a Px or Kx, because they are basicly single instruction per cycle chips (P 4 is 3-1xint, 2xFPU). A G4 can do (int +FPU) 500 MHzx4=2000 MIPS or 2 BIPS if the FPU is 2x (as in 21164s) it will do 1Gigaflop (1000 FPU MIPS) (G4-500). That is impressive, but Alpha 21264s can do 833MHzx32 (FPU+int) 26656 MIPS or 13328 FPU MIPS. 13.3 GIGAFLOPS. x86 chips are starting to be multi-intruction per cycle, and can compare well to G4s, but are out of their league compared with Alphas (and most other CPUs). Alpha 21264s also have 80 64-bit registers for each int and FP resulting in 160 regesters total.
This assumes optimum values, and things like ram bandwidth, latency, hard drive access are not figured in. However, it is worth noteing that Alpha 21264s have 256-bit ECC DDR SDRAM memory paths, as opposed to 16-bit for P 4 and 64 for Athlon.
If I have any incorrect things in this, correct me. I am human without memory protection, and often forget things, so there is bound to be at least one incorrect sentance above.
It reminds me of Transmeta's you can emulate any cpu as long as it is x86. Eventually that will change (for both, hopefully) until then, I will still use c and c++ (and I have written Java), because it is more portible. Sun's it will run on any platform (implying hardware and software) just doesn't hold up.
On your point of ease to use: Why, for most things, is something other than BASIC used? BASIC is the most similar to the English language that I have seen, and compared to that, Java doesn't have a chance.
IF Java worked as Sun says it should, I would likely use it. It doesn't. I don't.
It talked about using anodes and cathodes inside of animals to regenerate limbs, stop infections, and do some really neat stuff. The researchers found that an anode would if the nerves were at the edge (just below, or on the surface) and were exposed to electrons (from the anode) they would grow back the limb. Things like sealing it with skin prevented the regeneration (covering it over). They showed this in mice (or rats) and in humans. (A guy had a leg fracture that would not heal so he asked them to try to use the research to regenerate it, and they did, as opposed to the 1975- treatment if it wouln't heal in a year. it worked) They found that cathodes would kill bacteria and have a much weaker, but very similar effect upon regeneration. The reason was the electrical charges would cause the cells to de-specialize (revert to things similar to stem cells, and even to stem cells). This, if the cancer was in like a leg (of a mouse), and if the limb was amputated with a cut through the cancer, it would stop the cancer, because they too would de-specialize. It leads me to the posibility that (though I will not try it) limbs could be regenerated, if the person lost them, like salamanders and some other organisms do.
The research was pre-1975 (the book came out then) but I have not found anything has come from it. If you read the entire post, sorry for the length, and likely numerous grammer/spelling errors
I believe the point he was making was that "super-fast [intel,amd]" is total BS. I personally use both alphas and amds. My 550 amd gets beat by a 300 MHz alpha. Are alphas cheap? sometimes. I saw 22 quad alphas go on ebay for about $20000. I got a 300MHz for $450.
There is a good one. From what I remember and can gather they were released in nov 1995. Alphas were at 300Mhz and even 2-3 year old alphas can match a tbird 800-900 athlon running at 533 Mhz. The 300MHz alpha I am working on will cream ANY single processor PPro in existance.
Why a dual P3 ? Dual athlon boards exist and according to a friend who will be getting one a dual-athlon ddr ide-raid boards will be out this month or next month for $189, and considering that I could have gotten 1 GHz tbirds for $295 last week at a monthly computer sale, I wonder where the advantage is in ANY intel in either price, performance, or price/performance
Benchmarkers:go to http://testdrive.compaq.com, then see how the x86 cpus look. (or PPC, or SPARC, or any other modern non-x86 cpu)
Now we have 16-instructions per clock cycle chips (Alphas 21264), which had 4 instructions per cycle from at least 1995 (original 21164s).
The G4 can do 4 or 8 per cycle.
Anyone know any others?
The problem with the z80 analogy, and the entire idea is that the P4 basicly requires a compiler to do anything. Whereas most (if not all) z80 programs are written in assembly. You neglect the fact that the older processor will have more efficient code (unless there is in the future a debian-2.3-intelp4, debian-2.3-amdathlon, debian-2.3-intelp3, debian-2.3-amdk6-3, debian-2.3-intelp2 and any other processor).
Nice idea in theory, but wrong in real life. However the part about increase of transistors should be right.
>If money is no object and all you care about is FP speed, buy the Intel. Otherwise buy the Athlon. No, buy an Alpha 21264, which will beat them both in integer, and will cream both of them in FP. That is if money is no object. Otherwise get the athlon.
The reasons are future compatibility, and 999mhz1000Mhz.
My question is: what is being lost, in other areas?
Personally, for cost-go x86, for performace-go alpha, for battery life/heat-go cruose or G4.
However, I see good things in the cruose's future. A friend has a PCI board with a Celeron 350 or so which plugs into the PCI bus, and takes over, perhaps curoses could do that because of power (eg cruose might run where a P3 or Athlon doesn't). (Yes, I know that is an 'old' way of doing things, but if they had a card like that, how may of us have old P75s and the like sitting around?)
Actually banks don't use Microsoft, or Unix. They use VMS, which according to what I have heard, kicks the crud out of everything else. VMS (from DEC) is posibly the best operating system, as it has everything Linux/Unix does, windows does, and I have never heard of a VMS box crashing or locking up.
btw, SDL looks very good.
By the way, do you know that according to the United State's Constitution, you can vote if you are under 18. It specifically forbids infringing upon 18+ year olds right to vote, but says nothing about 18.
However, Things would not be as easy, and some things would be lost. The internet has inspired many newer people to get interested in computers. This can be good (they decide they like what they see, and try to make it better.) or bad. (They don't understand or don't like it and try to destroy it.)
Can we stop it? No. Should we stop it? No. Should we try to make it better? Yes. If it turns out badly, should we quit? No. Educate yourself, I personally want to read the bill, not an interpretation, because it may not or it may do something I like/dislike. For example, according to the US constitution, do they have to be 18 years old? No. (read it, it only says they should not be abridged for 18+ year olds)
btw: Netrek, a very good 16 player space combat game, has a good website at www.netrek.org
Alright, perhaps that was a little offtopic, but when you see all this great stuff, and can't use it because of $%#$^@ 32-bit only users, it makes you a little mad.
btw the 300MHz is an alpha 21164
http://www.heilbronn.netsurf.de/~dallmann/lunix/lu nix.html
When are they going to sue all the mirrors for inapropriate use of our copyrighted material under the DMCA?
Microsoft did something funny. Well, there is a first time for everything...