If someone is harassing a student because of their sexual orientation, that is not acceptable and we would like to know that. Our guidance office strives to defend and assist any student being discriminated against.
What disturbs me is the monitoring for those words, because that means that when e.g. a person who is unsure of their sexuality and discusses it with someone and wants to keep the whole thing private will already have lost that privacy. And if that information leaks because of you people monitoring such it could literally ruin that person. Sexuality is a very, VERY delicate matter and especially in this world where you're still pressured to live according to heteronormative models a person who is still undergoing the whole process of discovering themselves could very literally end in that person ending his or her own life.
You people are taking this WAY too lightly.
Secondly, someone who comes up with such a ridiculously stupid and easy-to-circumvent system clearly hasn't bothered to think about the possible ramifications of someone breaking into those "guidance office" members' e-mail accounts. Now, sit down and carefully think all the f*cked up things that will happen if anyone gets their hands on all these messages. Oh, and you can bet your ass that it WILL happen, it's simply too ludicrous a catch for someone with the skill: it not only would allow that person to reveal to all world the gullibility of the board, but it would also give plenty and plenty of leverage over individual students who don't want their secrets exposed.
Straight from the horse's mouth: You are the product, not the consumer.
No. Your HABITS are the product. Google is a marketing machine and they sell insight into current, past and future trends in various groups, and for that they need to follow people's habits. That insight is their product. Google however does not sell people; you cannot buy information on any specific person from Google.
Besides, how is this news? Wasn't it obvious already from before? Did you think Google has trees that sprout cash every spring so they can keep on offering completely free services to people without Google going bankrupt? ALL similar free services monitor their users for anything relevant and share portions of that data forth, Google is in no way an exception or "the one, evil megacorporation out there to suck out your soul" or anything like that.
As long as Google doesn't sell specific people out and anonymize their data I personally couldn't care less, I'm getting hugely useful services without losing anything and I'm going to continue using them.
As I walked through the farmyard, the pussy kept rubbing up against my legs, looking for a treat. I finally came to the chicken coop and saw a very large cock on top of the house. Later, I put on my leathers and got my bitch to round up my ass so I could go for a ride.
The two-graphics-card scheme you're talking about was developed by nVidia; it is called "Optimus."
I know that atleast Intel offers a similar thing which integrated graphics and the option of switching between that and a separate one. And I have a system with two Radeon cards, so it's not only "Optimus" that does this.
There is an open source project to get this stuff to work with Linux/X11, called bumblebee. See here:
Aye, someone else also mentioned Bumblebee here. I don't know why I have totally missed Bumblebee when I Googled around. It looks interesting, but it has a flaw in that it is chipset specific: it doesn't even try to provide a general purpose solution. With atleast 3 different manufacturers offering these kinds of setups now a general purpose solution would seem like the proper long-term solution.
nVidia doesn't seem to have any plans to support it on Linux, with a open source driver or otherwise.
, and the fact that you chipset drivers are closed source". I call that a whine. Want some cheese with it?
Be my guest, however I never said anything about chipset drivers so you're calling a nonexistant line whining.
More importantly - building an abstracted architecture to support the unknow is just fucking impossible, maybe, just maybe, with enough lead time, we could do what you want - but at present it would only be feasible to implement that at a driver level.
It would certainly be possible if enough work was done so that even if the graphics card driver crashed and/or the card in use "disappeared" X and its clients would still continue running and could just start another driver and re-draw everything. From there it'd only be a small jump to implement the hooks for drivers to initiate this when a change of card happens. However that's also why I said I imagine it'd require lots of work.
Such a winning attitude, and you're right - *if you had* mailed to the list you'd probably get ignored.
Indeed.
"that simply is not an acceptable solution". You are right - please accept our apologies - your refund is in the mail and we'll be working through the night to support your card.
You're somewhat good at picking only the things you want to see. However, that quote is in relation to having to restart X and all of its clients. Secondly, I didn't ask for refunds, I have not been yelling at people, I haven't been writing nerdrage-filled comments about this on Slashdot unlike you. I merely brought this here to generate some talk about it and possibly to learn more about the situation myself, too. You are the one raging and completely missing the whole point of it all.
It is more likely to reach wider audience here than on the mailing lists, so yes, this is my approach. I'm just raising general awareness and interest on the issue, I'm not even really expecting anything to happen as a result. Feel free to disagree, as you clearly are doing already.
Was that designed with only NVIDIA chipsets in mind, or was it designed from the ground-up to work with any chipsets? Because to me it looks like it's chipset-dependant and thus does not solve the issue at hand.
Your wanting HotPlug support for graphics devices. That wouldn't be part of X.
Oh really? What would it be part of then, pray tell? Because when you change graphics adapters on-the-fly the X environment would still have to adjust its settings appropriately -- the supported features for example could and likely would change when you change the adapter -- , transfer any necessary memory contents from the previous one to the new one and so on without killing off the running apps in the process.
And you are right to whine - those lazy unpaid developers are not reverse engineering the secrets of your graphics cards fast enough.
Where, oh, where did I whine about any feature that'd require reverse-engineering? It's an architechtural design issue, something X.org simply cannot do properly without heavy modifications. Also, I certainly never called the developers lazy or demanded them to do anything about it, so I think you need some more practice on reading comprehension.
I could register an.xxx domain on my name, create a website there for me which lots of raunchy stuff and me doing things, then start spearing ads of me in barely legal lingerie, raunchy poses and whatnot, and start spreading viral videos.
Not that anyone would want to pay to see me, no, but sooner or later someone would buy my domain and pay me huge sums of money NOT to have to see me like that ever again!
Have you tried google? It's a known issue; at least for ion chipsets bumblebee may work, though afaik it's far from perfect.
Yes, I have Googled around and I know some developers are aware of the issue, but not many enough seem to care and that's the issue. And the solution would have to be one that works for all setups, not just Ion chipsets, so it obviously requires much more work than just a few developers can throw at it.
You want changes? Make them. Start being a part of the solution rather than just complaining about things you don't like.
Ugh. That's really, really elitist, you know. Not everyone has the necessary skills and talent to work on the things that they wish improved, like some people are good at programming and others are good at writing fiction, or agility training, or architechtural design. Being great at agility training helps one in no way at all at improving X.org's graphics capabilities, for example.
You only managed to make yourself look like an elitist fool, nothing more.
It's not always doing it, in fact. If the driver somehow succeeds for instance to lock up the system bus, the game is over.
You can only TRY to recover when kernel-mode drivers do stupid things.
I haven't had such an instance myself. I've been overclocking my graphics cards like mad, doing this and that crazy stuff, and every single time the graphics card has locked up Windows has been able to restart the driver successfully. Not once has my system locked up completely due to graphics card - related issues. It's really handy and it still baffles me why X.org devs don't seem to consider doing the same thing.
I mentioned about this a while back on OSNews when I got my new laptop and noticed that it has two graphics cards instead of one: the other one is a higher-powered one able to churn away on games, 3D-modeling and whatnot at acceptable speeds, the other one is a very low-powered one that is barely able to do regular 2D sufficiently. The system switches between those two when I plug/unplug the AC adapter, though it also allows me to switch between them at will.
The thing here is that the low-powered one saves HUGE amounts of battery compared to the high-powered one, even if I go to such drastic measures as downclocking it. Using two separate chips instead of incorporating both in the same chip, or just having more aggressive power-saving capabilities on the more powerful chip is not the same thing for several reasons: being able to buy and use both chips separately means the manufacturer may be able to save money by buying different batches of chips from different places, and it obviously allows the manufacturer to mix-and-match at will. And adding more aggressive power-saving capabilities to a chip always means having to make compromises that could otherwise be omitted. It simply makes some sense to use two chips for saving battery, and I've noticed several manufacturers lately trying that. It remains to be seen whether or not it'll actually become a trend, though, or just a passing fad.
Unfortunately though X.org doesn't support such a scheme. You can't just switch between cards on-the-fly, you must muck around first, then restart whole X, thereby defeating the whole idea. And it doesn't seem like there are any plans for remedying this, or atleast I can't find anything relevant.
Uhhh...because many of us, in fact I would argue soon ALL of us, have data caps? I'm all for buying online but the fabled "download anytime model" is gonna die hard.
Here in Finland none of the ISPs have data caps on regular hardlines, and still only a few of them have data caps on mobile connections with the majority having uncapped ones. So far all the capped ones have received lackluster reception from the consumers and thus they've simply been dropped eventually from the ISPs' service plans. Not to mention that connection quality is usually atleast acceptable if not great, and atleast my ISP doesn't even do any traffic shaping either. So, atleast here those "download anytime - models" will work.
But you're right. It's hard to miss all the news about Verizon, ComCast et. al. there in the US pushing hard for data caps for everyone. It just makes you wonder what will e.g. Valve do once everyone has a data cap. Especially with the ever-increasing size of games, like they often weigh in at 16Gb or more even now, sooner or later Valve will have to either start buying lobbyists and congressmen and try to change the tide, or buckle up and stop serving US citizens. Or atleast they'll have to incorporate some feature to Steam that'll make it easy to schedule the downloads to a certain timeframe, and a way of monitoring how much data Steam has transferred, in and out. Unfortunately, those still won't be enough for the less technically-adept gamers who will end up going over their cap...
Indeed. I remember back in the day when all the websites offering any kind of streaming did it in RealMedia and some of them offered Quicktime as an alternative. Real was pretty big then and everyone had RealPlayer installed. Then gradually RealPlayer started getting larger and larger, adding this or that to it so that it wasn't merely a player anymore, and its usage seemed to drop sharply. At the same time Windows Media started gaining popularity for streaming, and it took a surprisingly short amount of time for most websites to drop Real altogether.
After Real had been dropped from their global streaming solution position I actually hadn't heard from them anymore. I knew they were still operating because if they had gone down under it would've been all over the news, but apparently they hadn't even tried to innovate or come up with anything interesting in all this time. And so, when I suddenly hear about Real after years and years of absence I hear they're suing some young man for nothing more than a simple link, confiscating all of his and his whole family's computers, and probably ruining his family financially for years to come in the process. Way to go of trying to come back to people's minds and generating PR?
I've gotten plenty of private messages here and there, and well, they usually only contain one or two sentences, with any kind of punctuation completely missing, jumbled-together words, god damn obvious spelling mistakes...Those all turn me off instantly, but the one thing that irritates me even more is this: it's clearly evident that the senders didn't bother to waste more than 2 seconds putting their messages together. Why would I take the effort of even responding back to you if you didn't make any kind of an effort in trying to make an interesting message?
Agreed. This came like a lightning from the sky, so it's pretty likely that Jobs's health has taken a sudden, unexpected turn for the much worse. We don't know what it is, but I hazard a guess that it is a rampant tumor in a high-risk area.
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Just wait for the sunglasses, they'll be eye-popping.
If someone is harassing a student because of their sexual orientation, that is not acceptable and we would like to know that. Our guidance office strives to defend and assist any student being discriminated against.
What disturbs me is the monitoring for those words, because that means that when e.g. a person who is unsure of their sexuality and discusses it with someone and wants to keep the whole thing private will already have lost that privacy. And if that information leaks because of you people monitoring such it could literally ruin that person. Sexuality is a very, VERY delicate matter and especially in this world where you're still pressured to live according to heteronormative models a person who is still undergoing the whole process of discovering themselves could very literally end in that person ending his or her own life.
You people are taking this WAY too lightly.
Secondly, someone who comes up with such a ridiculously stupid and easy-to-circumvent system clearly hasn't bothered to think about the possible ramifications of someone breaking into those "guidance office" members' e-mail accounts. Now, sit down and carefully think all the f*cked up things that will happen if anyone gets their hands on all these messages. Oh, and you can bet your ass that it WILL happen, it's simply too ludicrous a catch for someone with the skill: it not only would allow that person to reveal to all world the gullibility of the board, but it would also give plenty and plenty of leverage over individual students who don't want their secrets exposed.
Straight from the horse's mouth:
You are the product, not the consumer.
No. Your HABITS are the product. Google is a marketing machine and they sell insight into current, past and future trends in various groups, and for that they need to follow people's habits. That insight is their product. Google however does not sell people; you cannot buy information on any specific person from Google.
Besides, how is this news? Wasn't it obvious already from before? Did you think Google has trees that sprout cash every spring so they can keep on offering completely free services to people without Google going bankrupt? ALL similar free services monitor their users for anything relevant and share portions of that data forth, Google is in no way an exception or "the one, evil megacorporation out there to suck out your soul" or anything like that.
As long as Google doesn't sell specific people out and anonymize their data I personally couldn't care less, I'm getting hugely useful services without losing anything and I'm going to continue using them.
As I walked through the farmyard, the pussy kept rubbing up against my legs, looking for a treat. I finally came to the chicken coop and saw a very large cock on top of the house. Later, I put on my leathers and got my bitch to round up my ass so I could go for a ride.
Heh, that actually got a chuckle out of me :)
gay, lesbian (WTF) which get delivered but ALSO copied to the staff address.
That is deeply disturbing.
The two-graphics-card scheme you're talking about was developed by nVidia; it is called "Optimus."
I know that atleast Intel offers a similar thing which integrated graphics and the option of switching between that and a separate one. And I have a system with two Radeon cards, so it's not only "Optimus" that does this.
There is an open source project to get this stuff to work with Linux/X11, called bumblebee. See here:
https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/
Aye, someone else also mentioned Bumblebee here. I don't know why I have totally missed Bumblebee when I Googled around. It looks interesting, but it has a flaw in that it is chipset specific: it doesn't even try to provide a general purpose solution. With atleast 3 different manufacturers offering these kinds of setups now a general purpose solution would seem like the proper long-term solution.
nVidia doesn't seem to have any plans to support it on Linux, with a open source driver or otherwise.
That is certainly extremely lame from them.
, and the fact that you chipset drivers are closed source". I call that a whine. Want some cheese with it?
Be my guest, however I never said anything about chipset drivers so you're calling a nonexistant line whining.
More importantly - building an abstracted architecture to support the unknow is just fucking impossible, maybe, just maybe, with enough lead time, we could do what you want - but at present it would only be feasible to implement that at a driver level.
It would certainly be possible if enough work was done so that even if the graphics card driver crashed and/or the card in use "disappeared" X and its clients would still continue running and could just start another driver and re-draw everything. From there it'd only be a small jump to implement the hooks for drivers to initiate this when a change of card happens. However that's also why I said I imagine it'd require lots of work.
Such a winning attitude, and you're right - *if you had* mailed to the list you'd probably get ignored.
Indeed.
"that simply is not an acceptable solution". You are right - please accept our apologies - your refund is in the mail and we'll be working through the night to support your card.
You're somewhat good at picking only the things you want to see. However, that quote is in relation to having to restart X and all of its clients. Secondly, I didn't ask for refunds, I have not been yelling at people, I haven't been writing nerdrage-filled comments about this on Slashdot unlike you. I merely brought this here to generate some talk about it and possibly to learn more about the situation myself, too. You are the one raging and completely missing the whole point of it all.
It is more likely to reach wider audience here than on the mailing lists, so yes, this is my approach. I'm just raising general awareness and interest on the issue, I'm not even really expecting anything to happen as a result. Feel free to disagree, as you clearly are doing already.
Hi, the work is currently being done.
Check out the bumblebee project - we can always use more beta testers...
https://launchpad.net/~mj-casalogic/+archive/bumblebee/
Was that designed with only NVIDIA chipsets in mind, or was it designed from the ground-up to work with any chipsets? Because to me it looks like it's chipset-dependant and thus does not solve the issue at hand.
Your wanting HotPlug support for graphics devices. That wouldn't be part of X.
Oh really? What would it be part of then, pray tell? Because when you change graphics adapters on-the-fly the X environment would still have to adjust its settings appropriately -- the supported features for example could and likely would change when you change the adapter -- , transfer any necessary memory contents from the previous one to the new one and so on without killing off the running apps in the process.
And you are right to whine - those lazy unpaid developers are not reverse engineering the secrets of your graphics cards fast enough.
Where, oh, where did I whine about any feature that'd require reverse-engineering? It's an architechtural design issue, something X.org simply cannot do properly without heavy modifications. Also, I certainly never called the developers lazy or demanded them to do anything about it, so I think you need some more practice on reading comprehension.
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Well, tbh, that is a rather disturbing idea.
Your replying to a troll. If you waste your time like that replying to every troll etc in such a manner, you will have much wasted time.
Well, good thing I have lots of free time on my hands then! :3
Does it have an intel i3/i5/i7?
No.
I could register an .xxx domain on my name, create a website there for me which lots of raunchy stuff and me doing things, then start spearing ads of me in barely legal lingerie, raunchy poses and whatnot, and start spreading viral videos.
Not that anyone would want to pay to see me, no, but sooner or later someone would buy my domain and pay me huge sums of money NOT to have to see me like that ever again!
Have you tried google? It's a known issue; at least for ion chipsets bumblebee may work, though afaik it's far from perfect.
Yes, I have Googled around and I know some developers are aware of the issue, but not many enough seem to care and that's the issue. And the solution would have to be one that works for all setups, not just Ion chipsets, so it obviously requires much more work than just a few developers can throw at it.
No. It would only stir up the hivenest, generate a few angry replies, and nothing would happen.
I'm rather hoping for someone more influential to pick it up and raise some interest in the issue.
You want changes? Make them. Start being a part of the solution rather than just complaining about things you don't like.
Ugh. That's really, really elitist, you know. Not everyone has the necessary skills and talent to work on the things that they wish improved, like some people are good at programming and others are good at writing fiction, or agility training, or architechtural design. Being great at agility training helps one in no way at all at improving X.org's graphics capabilities, for example.
You only managed to make yourself look like an elitist fool, nothing more.
It's not always doing it, in fact.
If the driver somehow succeeds for instance to lock up the system bus, the game is over.
You can only TRY to recover when kernel-mode drivers do stupid things.
I haven't had such an instance myself. I've been overclocking my graphics cards like mad, doing this and that crazy stuff, and every single time the graphics card has locked up Windows has been able to restart the driver successfully. Not once has my system locked up completely due to graphics card - related issues. It's really handy and it still baffles me why X.org devs don't seem to consider doing the same thing.
I mentioned about this a while back on OSNews when I got my new laptop and noticed that it has two graphics cards instead of one: the other one is a higher-powered one able to churn away on games, 3D-modeling and whatnot at acceptable speeds, the other one is a very low-powered one that is barely able to do regular 2D sufficiently. The system switches between those two when I plug/unplug the AC adapter, though it also allows me to switch between them at will.
The thing here is that the low-powered one saves HUGE amounts of battery compared to the high-powered one, even if I go to such drastic measures as downclocking it. Using two separate chips instead of incorporating both in the same chip, or just having more aggressive power-saving capabilities on the more powerful chip is not the same thing for several reasons: being able to buy and use both chips separately means the manufacturer may be able to save money by buying different batches of chips from different places, and it obviously allows the manufacturer to mix-and-match at will. And adding more aggressive power-saving capabilities to a chip always means having to make compromises that could otherwise be omitted. It simply makes some sense to use two chips for saving battery, and I've noticed several manufacturers lately trying that. It remains to be seen whether or not it'll actually become a trend, though, or just a passing fad.
Unfortunately though X.org doesn't support such a scheme. You can't just switch between cards on-the-fly, you must muck around first, then restart whole X, thereby defeating the whole idea. And it doesn't seem like there are any plans for remedying this, or atleast I can't find anything relevant.
Uhhh...because many of us, in fact I would argue soon ALL of us, have data caps? I'm all for buying online but the fabled "download anytime model" is gonna die hard.
Here in Finland none of the ISPs have data caps on regular hardlines, and still only a few of them have data caps on mobile connections with the majority having uncapped ones. So far all the capped ones have received lackluster reception from the consumers and thus they've simply been dropped eventually from the ISPs' service plans. Not to mention that connection quality is usually atleast acceptable if not great, and atleast my ISP doesn't even do any traffic shaping either. So, atleast here those "download anytime - models" will work.
But you're right. It's hard to miss all the news about Verizon, ComCast et. al. there in the US pushing hard for data caps for everyone. It just makes you wonder what will e.g. Valve do once everyone has a data cap. Especially with the ever-increasing size of games, like they often weigh in at 16Gb or more even now, sooner or later Valve will have to either start buying lobbyists and congressmen and try to change the tide, or buckle up and stop serving US citizens. Or atleast they'll have to incorporate some feature to Steam that'll make it easy to schedule the downloads to a certain timeframe, and a way of monitoring how much data Steam has transferred, in and out. Unfortunately, those still won't be enough for the less technically-adept gamers who will end up going over their cap...
I can hear the girls swooning now.
Well, atleast _I_ would be drooling at a laptop like this :P
Indeed. I remember back in the day when all the websites offering any kind of streaming did it in RealMedia and some of them offered Quicktime as an alternative. Real was pretty big then and everyone had RealPlayer installed. Then gradually RealPlayer started getting larger and larger, adding this or that to it so that it wasn't merely a player anymore, and its usage seemed to drop sharply. At the same time Windows Media started gaining popularity for streaming, and it took a surprisingly short amount of time for most websites to drop Real altogether.
After Real had been dropped from their global streaming solution position I actually hadn't heard from them anymore. I knew they were still operating because if they had gone down under it would've been all over the news, but apparently they hadn't even tried to innovate or come up with anything interesting in all this time. And so, when I suddenly hear about Real after years and years of absence I hear they're suing some young man for nothing more than a simple link, confiscating all of his and his whole family's computers, and probably ruining his family financially for years to come in the process. Way to go of trying to come back to people's minds and generating PR?
Speak intelligently.
I HEARTILY agree!
I've gotten plenty of private messages here and there, and well, they usually only contain one or two sentences, with any kind of punctuation completely missing, jumbled-together words, god damn obvious spelling mistakes...Those all turn me off instantly, but the one thing that irritates me even more is this: it's clearly evident that the senders didn't bother to waste more than 2 seconds putting their messages together. Why would I take the effort of even responding back to you if you didn't make any kind of an effort in trying to make an interesting message?
Agreed. This came like a lightning from the sky, so it's pretty likely that Jobs's health has taken a sudden, unexpected turn for the much worse. We don't know what it is, but I hazard a guess that it is a rampant tumor in a high-risk area.
Whatever it is, though, it's seemingly very bad.