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A Custom Objectionable Word List Ate My Homework

theodp writes "Among the first three schools using Chromebooks for Education is the Merton Community School District, which decided to go Chromebook after the Wisconsin Dept. of Public Instruction (WDPI) issued a news release (created using PDFMaker for Word) announcing that all Wisconsin schools can have access to Google Apps for Education by simply downloading a Google Consent Form (Microsoft Word format, oddly) from the WDPI website, completing & signing it, and submitting it to Google. And to help get the schools going, a separate Wisconsin Google Apps for Education website aims to jumpstart things with weekly webinars, the first of which — Getting started with the Google Apps for Education Control Panel — shows school officials how they can sandbox 'Naughty Students' and filter objectionable content. While Google illustrates how a list of 'custom objectionable words' can be used to flag and/or block students' e-mail with some cute examples — different spellings of 'booger' and a regex to block variants like 'b00g3r' — things get considerably nastier in the real world, as this NSFW custom objectionable word list used by the North Canton City Schools shows."

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  1. What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can someone cut the extraneous crap and useless hyperlinks of this story and also re-edit so this is actually readable? I have no idea what the story is here.

    1. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by The+Snowman · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have no idea what the story is here.

      Schools are censoring students using Google Docs. If you click the last link and log in to your Google account, you will see the list of words:

      anal [...etc etc...] whore

      I can understand the school's desire to maintain a certain level of maturity, but this needs to be the job of the parents and teachers, not the technology. As a father of two boys, I want them to have the opportunity to act stupid, so I can correct them and tell them what is and is not appropriate. I don't want a computer enforcing that for me.

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    2. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by moonbender · · Score: 2

      I suppose the interesting link is the last one, which goes to a Google spreadsheet with the list of custom "objectionable" words. It bounces ingoing and outgoing mails with a list of vulgar terms (a fairly broad one; "hell"? really?). For outgoing mails, it bounces the mail AND sends a copy of it to the staff.

      There is also a list of "concern words" like gun, shoot, knife but also sex, drunk, gay, lesbian (WTF) which get delivered but ALSO copied to the staff address. I assume without notifying the student. I think that's outrageous and it would NEVER fly here in Germany, but I think students and employees in the US have (by law) a lower expectation of privacy when using school or office resources.

      I guess the moral is: don't use your school supplied Google account for anything you don't have to. Or better yet, use GPG.

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    3. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by RenHoek · · Score: 2

      I see 'niggah' is just fine..

      Related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-19ioGniZ88

    4. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Thiez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Odd that a school would block words like penis and vagina, it seems to me those words would prove quite useful for biology lessons.

      Perhaps the students should just start communicating in Spanish.

    5. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Muros · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I can understand the school's desire to maintain a certain level of maturity, but this needs to be the job of the parents and teachers, not the technology. As a father of two boys, I want them to have the opportunity to act stupid, so I can correct them and tell them what is and is not appropriate. I don't want a computer enforcing that for me.

      I am of the opinion that such censorship maintains immaturity. Everyone curses. Learning where it is appropriate and where it is not is a part of growing up, and school children should be able to figure out for themselves where it fits. Certainly I would expect to see many of those words appear in any kind of creative writing homework.

    6. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Oswald · · Score: 2

      Fortunately, this "technology" is so primitive that it's worse than useless for its purpose. For instance, if I want to know what variant of "mother-fucker" I will slip through the filter, I just scan the list for suggestions until I note that "mothafucka" is blocked, but "motherfucka" isn't. If I have an irresistible urge to blaspheme, I might note that "goddamn" is blocked, but its synonym "goddamned" is not. Also, "Blow me, you dipshit," seems to be A-Okay.

      But, what really sucks about it, as usual, is the damage it does to legitimate expression. Saying "orgasm" is a crime? I can't write "vagina" or "smut"? "Retard" might be an offensive noun, but I don't know anybody who objects to the verb.

      People who think up shit like this suck.

    7. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      Also, I expected to see a story about their newfangled contraption actually eating homework, given the title. Instead, all we get is a dirty words list (tee hee).

    8. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the kids need is an automated mailer that they can attach to their school address and this spreadsheet. Pop goes the districts mail-server. Dumb twats.

      Hell if it was my kid that did it, I'd defend him to the hilt for doing it.

    9. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone insists that Germany learns hard lessons from its past but we seem to have neglected to take some of those lessons to heart ourselves.

    10. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by BetaDays · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree with you. When people are not allowed to cuss to words that other people find objectionable they start making up words. Just look at how "Frack" is so nicely used now since a TV show started using that instead of what we know it to mean. Also I remember how this one person kept saying "oh Fudge" when they made a mistake. So I think having these Lists only cause more fragmentation of the language in the long run since people will always make up words to get around the "word police".

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    11. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      "Retard" might be an offensive noun, but I don't know anybody who objects to the verb

      It might be hard to write car maintenance manuals if this word is banned.

      However, you might want to ban pencils and paper, because students ahve been known to write rude words and draw pornographic pictures using pencils or, even (shock of shocks) Crayolas!

      Better, ban Litteracy as students might write litter! (You might need to check if the Taliban or Texas School Board already have a patent on that!)

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    12. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 1

      The Spanish word for vagina is, you guessed it, vagina. That's no help here

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    13. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by NatasRevol · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or use fun words - cock is a male rooster, pussy is a cat, bitch is a female dog, ass is a donkey. Make sure to work them into your essays thoroughly AND appropriately.

      As I walked through the farmyard, the pussy kept rubbing up against my legs, looking for a treat. I finally came to the chicken coop and saw a very large cock on top of the house. Later, I put on my leathers and got my bitch to round up my ass so I could go for a ride.

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    14. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

      The document is indeed very revealing, and damning. It wouldn't fly here in NL either, especially because of the gay/lesbian part.

      I guess one other interesting thing is that this filter is publicly available at all. If we can see it, clearly their students should be able to see it - albeit perhaps not from the school network.

      Which means that kids are just going to go out of their way to either evade the list (rot13 will do), or trigger it creatively in ways that will get calls placed to their parents (who, preferably, would be let in on this by the student and will just have a hearty laugh).

      That said, I suspect that e-mail sent from/to their network are always viewable by staff anyway, and they probably do search them / spot check them for certain individuals that teachers have brought up in meetings already.. this tool just makes it easier (well, lazier).

    15. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Thiez · · Score: 1

      What's the Spanish word for cunt? :p

    16. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Bad words are horrible and must be blocked immediately. They will corrupt the minds of the children!

      I can understand the school's desire to maintain a certain level of maturity

      Yeah. Anyone who uses these words is clearly immature. That's my opinion (which makes it a universal fact).

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    17. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by drolli · · Score: 1

      Especially because vagina, scrotum, penis, orgasm, ejaculate, clitoris and anus are in my opinion in no way objectionable. There are a lot of contexts in which using these word in school makes sense. I wonder how to explain plain sexual intercourse, fundamental anatomy and contraception methods without those.

    18. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, that would be so much fun to piss teachers off!

    19. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by houghi · · Score: 1

      My Thesis is about censorship in the media and I would like to talk about the 7 words you can't say on television.
      http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humor/SevenDirtyWords.shtml

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    20. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "screw" is on there too.

      As are serious words like "rape"

      Sexuality themed words are in there. pube, vagina, homo, anus, dildo, orgasm, clitoris. It sounds like some unimaginative school board operator just did a mind dump of every word he or she could think of. Some therapist should have a chat with them.

    21. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly this list is only meant to prevent students from embarrassing teachers. I know what every word on that list means, so I'm positive that children do not use this vocabulary among their peers.

    22. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So no more stories about what my friend Dick and me did last summer...

    23. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Steven Fry once said (in Paperweight I think) that if we really wanted to stop people using "swear words" we should just use the words for their intended meaning instead of trying to cover our embaressment by using ridiculous flowery language. Eg. just say fuck instead of "making love", say shit instead of "going to the bathroom", etc. The words only have power because we avoid using them.

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    24. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 0

      If you click the last link and log in to your Google account

      ...because everyone has a Google account...

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    25. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by BondGamer · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is the type of summary we can expect now that Cmdr Taco is gone.

    26. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by gomiam · · Score: 1

      Coño (that's an ñ for people lacking Spanish text support), though there are lots of synonyms, just like in English ;)

    27. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Alwinner · · Score: 1

      Looks like the end of engineering at that school too. They won't be allowed to screw anything together. Not being able to prick anything may also be a problem.

    28. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 2

      Not to mention the UK town of Scunthorpe, or my own location of Nigg. (I'm a Niggle, since you ask).

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    29. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anal anus arse ass asses asshole assholes asskisser asswipe ballsack bastard beastiality biatch bitch bitches bitchin bitching blowjob blowjobs boner boob boobies boobs bullshit bunghole buttface buttfuck buttfucker butthole buttplug circlejerk clit clitoris cock cocks cocksuck cocksucker cocksucking cum cumming cums cumshot cunilingus cunillingus cunnilingus cunt cuntlick cuntlicker cuntlicking cunts damn dick dike dildo dildos dipshit douchebag dumbass dyke ejaculate ejaculated ejaculates ejaculating ejaculation fag fagget fagging faggit faggot faggs fagot fagots fags fatass fatso felatio fellatio fingerfuck fingerfucked fingerfucker fingerfuckers fingerfucking fingerfucks fistfuck fistfucked fistfucker fistfuckers fistfucking fistfuckings fistfucks fuck fucked fucker fuckers fuckin fucking fuckings fuckme fucks fudgepacker gangbang gangbanged gangbangs gaysex goddamn gonads hardon hardcoresex hell homo hooker horniest horny hotsex hussy jackass jackingoff jackoff jack-off jerk-off jism jiz jizm jizz lesbo mothafuck mothafucka mothafuckas mothafuckaz mothafucked mothafucker mothafuckers mothafuckin mothafucking mothafuckings mothafucks motherfuck motherfucked motherfucker motherfuckers motherfuckin motherfucking motherfuckings motherfucks muff nig nigga nigger niggers orgasm orgasms pecker penis phonesex pissoff prick pricks pube pussies pussy pussys queer rape raped retard screw scrotum shit shited shitfull shiting shits shitted shitter shitters shitting shitty sleaze slut sluts smut spunk tit titties titty twat vagina wank whore

      Thanks so much. Yes, that's much more readable than TFS.

    30. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      ballsack bastard beastiality biatch bitch

      So if you spell it correctly, you can use "bestiality".

      They block "hell" "cum" (a fine Latin word) "jackass" "retard" "screw"?

    31. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a message like:

      Good news, my brother graduated summa cum laude with his thesis "Television as a Reflection on Society: Dick Van Dyke to TJ Hooker." Need to stop by the hardware store tonight to get a screw so I can finish mounting my "Anatomy of the Horny Toad" diorama for biology. The teacher is going to kill me if I'm late with another project, he can be such a prick!

      would probably not go over so well, right? Oh well, fuck the little bastards for using such filthy language.

    32. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by no-body · · Score: 2

      That spread sheet also contains email addresses:

      hsfilter@northcantonschools.org

      elemfilter@northcantonschools.org

      Maybe time to do some mind sharing - not only with those addresses, but with principles of schools or whoever is behind this shit. Don't have kids a right to free speech?

    33. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I figure it's like the large and threatening signs at airport security warning people against misplaced humor, which I've always interpreted as self-protection against hearing the same dumb bomb jokes all shift. Teachers must get utterly bored by attempts to shock or offend the teacher with Bad Words.

    34. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Frankly, I could see an academic use for any of the words that you quoted. "Ballsack" could literally mean a sack with balls in it, "bastard" could be used in the context of "bastard child," a student might be writing a paper about the bible's treatment of bestiality, "bitch" means female dog and could be appropriately used when talking about dog breeding, and "biatch" is commonly used in rap music, so any student writing a report about rap could potentially use that word.

      I think this list was designed under the assumption that schoolchildren will never be writing a paper that includes any of the above, or perhaps that our education system has gotten so bad that children do not write papers at all.

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    35. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't you heard? Sexual intercourse doesn't happen in America until after marriage, which doesn't happen until you're out of school, and is only to be used for procreation, so educating about contraception is worthless. It's also up to the parents to explain everything about anatomy to Timmy and Sally. School shouldn't be used to educate and better the lives of children. It should only be used as a government-funded daycare program!

    36. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by blue_teeth · · Score: 5, Funny

      Heh, reminds me of a joke:

      A Bus stops and two men get on. They sit down and engage in an animated conversation. The lady sitting behind them ignores them at first, but her attention is galvanized when she hears one of the men say the following:

      Emma come first, then I come.
      Then two asses come togeder.
      I come once-a-mora.
      Two asses, they come togeder again.
      I come again and pee twice.
      Then I come one lasta time.

      "You foul mouthed swine" says the lady, "in this country we don't talk about our sex lives in public!"
      "Hey, coola down lady" said the man "I'm a justa tellin' my friend how to spella 'Mississippi' "

    37. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by BrokenHalo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I object to here is that the reader is required to log in to a Google account in order to read the list in question. For a summary, that is just plain damn stupid.

      However, some of these words should cause all sorts of innocent amusement. For instance, the word "ejaculated" will not be unfamiliar to readers of Enid Blyton, just as the word "bastard" would be equally recognisable to anyone who has studied the lineage of various royal families.

    38. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they should use Chinese?

    39. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      fundamental anatomy

      ?

      I can only assume you mean "anatomy of the fundament". :-)

    40. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1
    41. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's much more readable than TFS.

      Indeed.One thing I find curious, though, is the fact that "wank" is included, while "codswallop" is not, despite the fact that they mean exactly the same thing.

    42. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Funny

      Some therapist should have a chat with them.

      Hehhh. Hehhhh. You said "the rapist".


      Luckily, I see "fucktard" isn't on the list, so we can still accurately describe the list's author.

    43. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Misplaced humour? Is that where you leave it in another jacket?

    44. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      gay, lesbian (WTF) which get delivered but ALSO copied to the staff address.

      That is deeply disturbing.

    45. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, you can't tell someone how to stop their pussy cat from eating the barnyard cock by fixing the loose fence with a screw!

    46. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 0

      My neighbor's donkey ate up my rooster like it was nothing!

    47. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by MrMr · · Score: 1
    48. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      As I walked through the farmyard, the pussy kept rubbing up against my legs, looking for a treat. I finally came to the chicken coop and saw a very large cock on top of the house. Later, I put on my leathers and got my bitch to round up my ass so I could go for a ride.

      Heh, that actually got a chuckle out of me :)

    49. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Germany has to look a long way into its past for this, since a lot of these proscribed words originate directly from Saxon origins. My current boss is a German who occasionally takes exception to my colourful use of my mother tongue. She was less than amused when I pointed out that her nation was directly responsible for my vocabulary.

    50. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Someone noted that "beastiality" (sic) is on the list of forbidden words. The irony is that the bible itself mentions bestiality, and I really wish I could see the expression on some "Christian Conservative" parent's face when their child says, "It wouldn't let me write my report about the bible!"

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    51. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also doesn't punish for spelling "bestiality" or "dildoes" correctly. Also will only censor "jerk-off" if you use the hyphen.

    52. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Antity-H · · Score: 1

      Coming back from the ride I fixed the failing screw in the kitchen cupboard.

      This world has officially gone mad. It's going to be real fun whey they have to ban milk, stuff, and other very common words which can easily be used with a double meaning....

    53. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget about the "words of concern":

      gun shoot stab knife kill hurt fight murder attack punch hate suicide cutting drug drugs pot weed marijuana grass blunt toke stoned beer alcohol booze drunk gay lesbian porn sex molest molested molesting naked nude

    54. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some, but not all technical authors thrill at using technical terms which they know most people will not understand.

      While it is true that specialist vocabulary is required to ease discussion of specialist subjects between experts it is also possible to explain most topics in layman's terms. It often takes a lot more words to do so but it can be done. Even when the details prove impenetrable for ordinary layman's terms it is always possible to give a summary of the issue involved in plain words.

      The problem here is that specialists, having struggled with the jargon themselves while learning the subject, and having established their own elite status partly by using those terms, are hesitant to abandon them too easily. Instead of enlightening the unenlightened they would rather keep the layman ignorant by confusing them with their specialist language. That way they don't have to worry about an influx of new members to the club and they can always claim that they were trying to explain but that, sadly, only a genius (such as themselves perhaps) would be able to understand.

      Wikipedia articles on specialist subjects are riddled with introductory summaries with specialist terminology which obfuscates rather than explains and the hyperlinks often take the reader to an equally obscure subject page containing its own set of of obscurantist babble.

      The vanity of such authors knows no bounds. They are a blight on the quest for knowledge, openness and freedom of information.

    55. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by eganloo · · Score: 1

      Schools are censoring students using Google Docs. If you click the last link and log in to your Google account, you will see the list of words:

      dick dike dildo dildos dipshit douchebag dumbass dyke

      Don't you feel sorry for the poor student who has to write a report about actor Dick Van Dyke?

    56. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like they wont be graduating Magna Cum Laude.

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    57. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of them are fair game. A few of them seem to be words that often are used in polite conversation. "Prick" is a completely innocuous, acceptable, and commonplace when used as a verb. "Queer" is also generally a harmless adjective. "Hell" is commonly used in any discussion about religion (although they might as well add God, Jesus, Mohammed, Allah, etc. to the list, as those are apparently banned from schools as well). "Homo" is probably a word that will cause difficulty in any biology/evolution class. It would also be extremely inconvenient to write about our most recent vice president without using the word "Dick".

      Other words just aren't even vulgar at all. The word "sleaze" refers to vulgarity but is not vulgar in the slightest on its own.

      PS. My captcha is "redneck". Why is that not considered a racial slur?

    58. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However, some of these words should cause all sorts of innocent amusement. For instance, the word "ejaculated" will not be unfamiliar to readers of Enid Blyton, just as the word "bastard" would be equally recognisable to anyone who has studied the lineage of various royal families.

      "Ejaculated" as a synonym for "said" has pretty much left the language except for historical use and in bad-writing-contest entries.

      It's hard to see how they can censor "Dick," on the other hand. Some students just can't put their name on homework?

      And several of these words have other uses-- "dike" and "cock," for example. (So, in the New Testament, Peter denies Jesus before a bird-that-can't-be-named crows twice?)

      Hope none of the students write about Dick van Dyke!

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    59. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Don't forget "homo" sapiens.

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    60. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      It's funny, ask most anyone what they think of leet-speak and the shortcuts the younger generation takes in communication, especially someone in the education field, and they will generally think it's the most horrible thing ever to happen to the English language....then, they turn around and put word filters up which, as we all know, are what drives the creation of the leet-speak in the first place.

      Maybe we should just accept that kids talk about inappropriate things with each other and encourage proper spelling and grammar? Or would that require accessing too many painful memories of our own childhoods when we did exactly the same shit and had exactly the same conversations kids today do? "OH MY GOD KIDS TALKING ABOUT SEX USING SLANG?!?!!?! HOW WILL WE DEAL WITH THIS NEW PHENOMENON??!!?!!?!!?!!?"

    61. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by sconeu · · Score: 1

      NOOOO!!!!!! Don't use the word 'shit'!!! It causes bubonic plague!!!

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    62. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      I agree. These words are in the dictionary for fucks sake.

    63. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They missed all kinds of variations on ass*. The assramming, butt-pirate admins need to learn how to use regex. See my two words would get thru.

    64. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      Some time back, I visited a site that censored "naughty" words inside other words. So, multithread became mul***hread ...

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    65. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      Absolutely...and we need to lose this ridiculous naivety when it comes to kids already. We all either used ourselves or heard in regular usage every one of these words by the time we hit middle school. We survived. It's amazing, really.

      So many people grow up and just forget all those years or something, I don't know. I mean, hell, we used to talk dirty, do drugs and have sex at school, let alone in general. It's part of growing up. Short of locking your kids in a room until they turn 18 and home schooling them, they are going to be exposed to this stuff no matter how much you try to keep it from them. Better to let them learn from the experience just like we all did.

    66. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by flatass · · Score: 1

      I also see 'honkey', 'cracker', and 'white bread' are perfectly acceptable...

    67. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most schools have one teacher to watch over 20-30 students. You seriously can't expects teachers to do this all by themselves. It they did they would spend the entire day babysitting rather than teaching. By inviting more technology into the classroom, you also invite more opportunity to screw off. I have no problem with teachers using any tools at their disposal to help keep kids in line,

    68. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1

      "You fell victim to one of the cl***ic blunders. The most famous is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia,' but only slightly less well known is this: 'Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.'"

    69. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by jbengt · · Score: 1

      I notice that "suck" is not in the list, When I was a kid, you could get your mouth washed out with soap for saying "that sucks" because everyone knew that was short for "that sucks dick" (unless you were talking about a straw or vacuum, which is another issue - a simple match list isn't enough, the context is what gives the letters their meaning). Somehow, "suck" has gradually lost association with its' original derivation and in common use the word's derogatory implications has ended up as its' meaning.

    70. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Don't forget "homo" sapiens.

      Don't go queering things for us now.

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    71. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's much more readable than TFS.

      Indeed.One thing I find curious, though, is the fact that "wank" is included, while "codswallop" is not, despite the fact that they mean exactly the same thing.

      That's because this is a list in English. Not British.

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    72. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      I'm not certain, but I believe the AC is referring to Germany's notorious banning of language related to a certain militaristic regime from its past.

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    73. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      gay, lesbian (WTF) which get delivered but ALSO copied to the staff address.

      That is deeply disturbing.

      Homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of the Board.

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    74. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Billyboy was something that made me want to sick just to viddy his fat grinning litso, and he always had this von of very stale oil that's been used for frying over and over, even when he was dressed in his best platties, like now. They viddied us as just as we viddied them, and there was like a very quiet kind of watching each other now. This would be real, this would be proper, this would be nozh, the oozy, the britva, not just fisties and boots. Billyboy and his droogs stopped what they were doing, which was just getting ready to perform something on a weepy young devotchka they had there, not more than ten, she creeching away but with her panties still on, Billyboy holding her by one rooker and his number-one, Leo, holding the other. They'd probably just been doing the dirty slovo part of the act before getting down to a malenky bit of ultra-violence. When they viddied us a-coming they let go of this boo-hooing little ptitsa, there being plenty more where she came from, and she ran with her thin white legs flashing through the dark, still going 'Oh oh oh'. I said, smiling very wide and droogie: 'Well if it isn't fat stinking billygoat Billyboy in poison. How art thou, thou globby bottle of cheap stinking chip-oil? Come and get one in the yarbles, if you have any yarbles, you eunuch jelly, thou.'

    75. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Which means that kids are just going to go out of their way to either evade the list (rot13 will do), or trigger it creatively in ways that will get calls placed to their parents (who, preferably, would be let in on this by the student and will just have a hearty laugh).

      Yeah, if the school called me up and told me my kid was using 'inappropriate' words in a paper, I would just tell them to fuck off.

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    76. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      This is the type of summary we can expect now that Cmdr Taco is gone.

      You must be new here.

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    77. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My friend mentioned that her kitty has developed a fondness for licking vasoline. My mind spun with the variety of responses I had available to choose from.

    78. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      At least the Facial lovers still get their fill.(no pun intended)

    79. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by nccstech · · Score: 1

      If someone is harassing a student because of their sexual orientation, that is not acceptable and we would like to know that. Our guidance office strives to defend and assist any student being discriminated against.

    80. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      Remember also that any messages containing those words aren't just bounced, they're also forwarded to the Principal for review. There is also a list of words that aren't bounced, but are still forwarded for "review". Dangerous words like "gay" "lesbian" "fight" "drink" "grass" "green" and that sort of thing. Not only are lots of those words stupid and big waste of money to "review" but also these laptops will out students stupid enough to think that they can talk about their sexuality via email without the Principal spying on them. Great educational tool. It gets students used to the idea that their prison warden will be reading anything they write.

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    81. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      I really don't get how this is helping anything. They say/search for words (perhaps not even in an intentionally "dirty" way). So what?

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    82. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      So your filter has the best natural language processing software ever devised? How do you protect the privacy of a student who is coming out to a close friend?

      Eventually, students will figure out that you are monitoring their email, and they will find another way to communicate when they want to talk about verboten topics. What are you going to do then? What are you going to do when your students figure out how to encrypt their messages, or set up their own email systems or message boards? It will only take a handful of bright students to figure out it, and they have plenty of incentive to share their knowledge with others (imagine how popular the guy who knows how to break the rules without getting caught will become).

      In the end, your students will learn that authority figures exist to enforce censorship and violate privacy rights, and that it is good to game the system and run circles around the bureaucracy. That is the lesson people living in the USSR learned, after all.

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    83. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Or use fun words - cock is a male rooster, pussy is a cat, bitch is a female dog, ass is a donkey. Make sure to work them into your essays thoroughly AND appropriately.

      Or, according to Saint George of Carlin: "We're going to snatch that pussy and put him in a box!"

    84. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, if we where not ashamed of being human, how would the shameless lead us around by the gonads?

    85. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And not everyone can read either. Point?

    86. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      If someone is harassing a student because of their sexual orientation, that is not acceptable and we would like to know that. Our guidance office strives to defend and assist any student being discriminated against.

      What disturbs me is the monitoring for those words, because that means that when e.g. a person who is unsure of their sexuality and discusses it with someone and wants to keep the whole thing private will already have lost that privacy. And if that information leaks because of you people monitoring such it could literally ruin that person. Sexuality is a very, VERY delicate matter and especially in this world where you're still pressured to live according to heteronormative models a person who is still undergoing the whole process of discovering themselves could very literally end in that person ending his or her own life.

      You people are taking this WAY too lightly.

      Secondly, someone who comes up with such a ridiculously stupid and easy-to-circumvent system clearly hasn't bothered to think about the possible ramifications of someone breaking into those "guidance office" members' e-mail accounts. Now, sit down and carefully think all the f*cked up things that will happen if anyone gets their hands on all these messages. Oh, and you can bet your ass that it WILL happen, it's simply too ludicrous a catch for someone with the skill: it not only would allow that person to reveal to all world the gullibility of the board, but it would also give plenty and plenty of leverage over individual students who don't want their secrets exposed.

    87. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Even better is when they decide to automatically revise your bad words. That is truly one of the clbuttic blunders.

    88. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by perlchild · · Score: 1

      Imagine what happens if a teacher asks his students for an essay on "Naked Gun" without checking the banned list first.

      Seems to me a word list is counterproductive.

      Or was the goal to block a whole bunch of essay titles too?

      James Blunt is also blocked? What about, as other said, biology, but for "kentucky blue glass"?

      History essays without fights are also gonna be a bit... original.

    89. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by similar_name · · Score: 1

      Watch your language buddy.

    90. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What's the Spanish word for cunt? :p

      Rosario Dawson

    91. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by fatphil · · Score: 2

      Perhaps because they don't mean exactly the same thing by any stretch of the imagination in any dialect of English with which I'm familiar, which is a quite a few.

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    92. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      Not to mention a lot of those words are only objectionable if they are used objectionably. Someone doing a study on rape could get filtered because they mention anything to do with sex. Appropriate words for anatomy are being blocked even though there is nothing offensive about them by themselves. Speaking of which: sex ed: why do we teach kids about sex but not about how to enjoy themselves? We get taught the anatomy and the process of child development but nothing about techniques what areas are enjoyable or at least worth trying out, alternative means of pleasuring each other etc. I've seriously dated a few girls in university not highschool, that weren't virgins had never had an orgasm, never done anything other than straight missionary, never saw a guy ejaculate (because they always came in them, I meant it when I said only missionary) etc etc. All they learn t in school was the anatomy they didn't have any clue in how to figure out what is pleasurable for them (or even a clue of how pleasurable it should be to let you know if you aren't doing it the way they like) Dear God, kids will have sex they might at least learn how to enjoy it. I'm dead serious here, why can we talk for two weeks about the menstruation and gestation cycle but we can't discuss blowjobs and cunnilingus when those are two ways of getting each other off without risking pregnancy?

    93. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 0

      Because none of the races that ethics boards care not to offend would be upset with those words. When you are the majority you are fair game to pick on because obviously no one can give you a hard time and discriminate against you because you are a member of the majority ;-)

    94. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      Speaking of censorship I took acting in highschool. I "mimed" swearing and got dinged marks. I must have mouthed the word really well for them to be able to tell what it is but still I was dinging despite the clear proof that my acting was good :-)

    95. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the popular translations don't use the term. They translate it literally, or as close as can be made understandable, so you end up with something like 'anyone who has sex with an animal.'

    96. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      And anything with a sharp point for graffettiing desks. I found a swastika on a school desk once, so I graffittied a noughts-and-crosses game on top of it.

    97. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Doesn't mean the same here in Britain either. Can we get an Australian, Canadian and anyone else from an english-speaking country to tell if their respective dialects have these as synonyms?

    98. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I agree. These words are in the dictionary for fucks sake."

      Apparently they won't be in this school's Google dict.

    99. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be at all surprised if the school actually has a ball-sack in the gym, for storing balls when not in use.

    100. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      They deserve it, Karma's a female dog.

    101. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by adolf · · Score: 1

      Fistfucking fistfuckers fistfucked horny lesbo muff. Goddamn dyke ejaculated.

      Motherfucking hotsex.

    102. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Peckerwoods just need to get their time for payback, and it be a motha'!

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    103. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      That list could make biology homework difficult.

    104. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by BillX · · Score: 1

      Don't know about that; I remember it showing up in kid/young adult fiction when I was a kid (not terribly long ago). There are only so many ways to say "$character said" without getting monotonous, and they tried 'em all. I don't remember who the author was, but the first time I came across (no pun intended) a "...he ejaculated", I was maybe 8 and on a roadtrip with my parents. The look on their face when I called out from the back seat:

      Me: "Dad, what's 'ejaculated' mean?"
      Both parents: "WHAT ARE YOU READING?!"

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    105. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by jddj · · Score: 1

      Must be quite a drag for kids in Cumming, Georgia (or for those poor youths from Butts county, GA).

    106. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by joemck · · Score: 1

      Regex that and you'll also block "association." See Scunthorpe problem and clbuttic.

    107. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who say "Frack" instead of "Fuck" are just retarded. The one person I know who likes saying "frack" is a total pussy. It just shows that he has no backbone to say "Fuck" and uses a pussy word instead.

    108. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Calydor · · Score: 1

      I kinda enjoy seeing how they ban 'beastiality' (wrong spelling) but not 'bestiality' (correct spelling).

      And 'jackass'? What, they can't make a reference to the show or the male Equus asinus?

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    109. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Then there's Mylene Klass, all the Indians called Dikshit, and anyone (in the UK at least) who's tried to write an XML parser...

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    110. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by wwphx · · Score: 1

      What's going to be fun is that the kids will download this spreadsheet and start manufacturing replacement words just to screw with the administration!

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    111. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Better, ban Litteracy

      I suspect that where you went to school they already did.

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    112. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I did wonder if it was an attempt at parody. And then I saw that it was submitted by theodp.

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    113. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You illiterate moron. Fucks sake.

    114. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by black+soap · · Score: 1

      Oh, and you think they want to teach useful sex-ed, or relevant biology? They'd rather just teach kids that drugs are bad, mmmkay, and that sex will make you a whore and give you diseases, then shrug and look the other way when teen pregnancy rates go way up (like in Texas), because teenagers are going to have sex whether you tell them to or not.

    115. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If society did something like that, then we would have to have make up new swear words.
      It's useful to have some words reserved for intense, socially-unacceptable use.
      That's why I hate it when people overuse them; it dilutes their power.

    116. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bad words: bullshit, circlejerk, sleaze

      sounds like they're trying to prevent discussion of the word filtering software.

    117. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or write about hell.

    118. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Nyder · · Score: 1

      I can understand the school's desire to maintain a certain level of maturity, but this needs to be the job of the parents and teachers, not the technology. As a father of two boys, I want them to have the opportunity to act stupid, so I can correct them and tell them what is and is not appropriate. I don't want a computer enforcing that for me.

      I am of the opinion that such censorship maintains immaturity. Everyone curses. Learning where it is appropriate and where it is not is a part of growing up, and school children should be able to figure out for themselves where it fits. Certainly I would expect to see many of those words appear in any kind of creative writing homework.

      When I was in 3rd & 4th grade, I had to go a private christian school. 5th grade, I go back to public school. Now, all the kids are swearing and crap, and I'm not. When i was in 2nt grade, the kids didn't run around swearing, and they sure as hell (see, I learned how to) didn't at the private school (see, i can do puns also). So here I am, in 5th grade, like 11 years old, and I don't know how to swear correctly, so I had a lot of catching up to do.

      Ya, I probably did it wrong at first. swore too much, used the wrong swear word. didn't probably swear when i should of , all because I wasn't around it when other started up. I was laughed at and an outcast (not really, made that up to make the story sound better). Do you want that to be your kids? I hope not, get them learning to swear earlier and proper so it doesn't affect them later in life.

      my god, think of the children, please!

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    119. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do lead a pornographic lifestyle on the farm don't you?

      Thank you for the chuckle as Tropical Storm Irene approaches my cubicle.

    120. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck portrays an act much different than that of making love. We do no one any favors by blurring the distinction.

    121. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is "penis" an offensive word (unless you are a feminist). These schools and Google are teaching the kids very wrong things.

      Notice how there are no religious words that are on the list, even though religion is much more offensive than human anatomy.

      Even scarier is that Google and the schools automatically read students emails, just like it was 1984. It's a Right Wing Utopia. How many other parents are objecting to this? An intelligent person would think that people would be marching in the streets demanding rights? What about the students, are they protesting and shutting down the school until these policies are changed? Do they realize how dumbed-down corporate Right Wing America is making them?

    122. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm amazed at how quickly our perception of "suck" has changed. I've even heard it on shows intended for young children lately.

    123. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rape is also a type of plant.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassica_napus

    124. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about Dick Cheney for a political science class?

    125. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Or use fun words - cock is a male rooster, pussy is a cat, bitch is a female dog, ass is a donkey.

      Priceless classic

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    126. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Like you said, a simple word list would have way too much collateral damage so I wouldn't take its absence as much sign of anything.

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    127. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 2, Funny

      The first time I ever saw the word used that way was in H. G. Wells' novel The War of the Worlds. Late at night, on the run from the Martians, the main character enters someone's house -- IIRC it was the mayor of the town the character was passing through -- and the unfortunate phrase used to describe the situation was something like The mayor came down the stairs, ejaculating.

      When you're 12 years old it's not immediately clear how to picture a scene like this. I had the sense not to ask my mom, at least...

    128. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      Very much on-topic. The whole theme of ACO is that you can't solve social problems with technological measures.

      If public schools manage to render 500 years of foul language obsolete, they will leave a vacuum that will be filled with something much like Nadsat.

    129. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      The Blizzard official forums have a profanity filter which replaces words on it's banned list with random #$%^ type garbage. This means words like drape (another frequently used term for a cloak in WoW), grape etc... appear as d#$%^, for example. It's annoying and stupid.

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    130. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Not to mention Sussex and Essex, which have also been victims of many block lists. The UK sure does know how to pick them...

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    131. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      Some where at home I have a copy of Encylopedia Magica from Wizards of the Coast, I think it was a D&D 3.0 product. Volumes 1 & 2 have an error in them where someone did a global find/replace of "mage" to "wizard". So through 2 entire volumes, spells do "dawizard" instead of doing "damage". It's quite amusing but a little confusing when you first encounter it.

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    132. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      For anybody NOT in the know, the previous bit by the AC is from 'A Clockwork Orange', as MOPC acrynym'd.

      Heck, we see it in real life language. Consider the sheer number of synonyms for such 'unclean' organs as the penis and vagina. Heck, back in the day in certain areas and classes of people they made deliberate games of messing with the language. Not that I think that youths having to be a bit more creative about their insults is a bad thing...

      All this list does is disrupt proper discourse - a student using inappropriate words should have said inappropriate use brought up to them. They shouldn't have their homework rejected because they talked about 'screwing the leg onto the table'. The insulter will just make a new word bad.

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    133. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by ForgedArtificer · · Score: 1

      Looks like they just clipped a Carlin routine.

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    134. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beastiality is forbidden, but bestiality is ok. They just want to make sure kids aren't having sex with animals unless they know how to spell properly.

    135. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by klkblake · · Score: 1

      I'm an Aussie. "Codswallop" is roughly synonymous with "bullshit" here.

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    136. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I feel sorry for anybody who has to listen to his gorblimey accent, an no mistake guv'nor.

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    137. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Especially if the they have to do a book report on the 1922 work, "The Enormous Room".

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    138. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn! There goes my ecology essay about using rapeseed oil to make biodiesel.

      I tried to write them a note saying that this would retard my educational progress, but that didn't get through either.

    139. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Perhaps because they don't mean exactly the same thing by any stretch of the imagination in any dialect of English with which I'm familiar, which is a quite a few.

      Well, of course they don't exactly mean the same thing now, but my point is that etymologically they did: as in to wallop one's cods...

    140. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Portuguese.

    141. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      coño ?

    142. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coño, with a nasty ñ in the middle.

    143. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the Spanish word for cunt? :p

      Chocho, ura, paloma, urpila, cajeta, concha, almeja, raja, tajo, raya...

    144. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by quenda · · Score: 1

      Steven Fry once said ... just say fuck instead of "making love", say shit instead of "going to the bathroom",

      If I were as witty as Mr Fry, I might make a clever remark about such obfuscation contributing to his confusion of the anatomical parts used for those two purposes.

    145. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by phorm · · Score: 1

      "ejaculated" is also used in terms of vomited etc.

      I can recall at least one story in which a landlubber "ejaculated" over the side of a boat during the storm, and it did not mean anything sexual.

    146. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the Spanish word for cunt? :p

      panocha

    147. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, really? I grew up saying "that sucks" in lieu of "harder" (heh) language and never thought twice about it.

      Live and learn...

    148. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      palin

    149. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I also see anatomy and biology generally are no longer acceptable in the curriculum. When will people "grow up" (not talking about the kids)? Childhood is all about probing boundaries. Give a 5th grader 5 minutes with this list and they'll have a whole new list of words they'll poke the adults with. Stop being petty and start teaching our kids you analprobing, cockwhores before some cockripper rips your brown-packing rods off.

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    150. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      I've sometimes heard "ejaculated" used for being thrown out of a club or somesuch. I'd Google the definition of the word, but....

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    151. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Which is a folk etymology with no documented use that way. And as we've been writing things down since before we were even speaking the language that's familiar to us now, for such usage to not be recorded implies very strongly there was no such usage. Don't think that ancient authors were prudish - far from it, they were at least as bawdy as anything until about half a century ago. Just because English went through a lull in its willingness to mention any bodily functions in the Victorian era doesn't mean that which came before it was also so self-censored.

      And who has "cods" anyway? I certainly only have one, no more.

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    152. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Oh, we can do better than Sussex and Essex (and Middlesex -- which officially no longer exists, having been absorbed into the London region decades ago. I think my house would have been in Middlesex, but I'm not sure.).

      Penistone
      Wetwang
      Twatt
      Titty Ho
      East Breast
      Butt Hole Road

      See also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rude_Britain

      I had a friend at school originally from Scunthorpe, who was blocked sometimes from forums if he filled in the location. His address while at school was Scraptoft (not far from Bushby, Burton Overy, Noseley, Pickwell, ... Leicestershire has some fantastic place names, though most aren't rude.)

    153. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by gknoy · · Score: 1

      trigger it creatively in ways that will get calls placed to their parents (who, preferably, would be let in on this by the student and will just have a hearty laugh).

      I hope this happens. As a parent, if my child were dealing with this, I'd tell him (or her) that I'd make special time to waste as much of their principle's time as possible, the more creatively (and innocuously) they triggered the system. This thing needs to drown in a sea of false positives.

    154. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for noticing the real problem here: this is not simple censorship, it's wiretapping/spying. Censorship would just block the email from getting sent, but it appears this system sends copies of outgoing emails containing any of the "bad words" or "concern words" to the quarantine address. Surely these are supposed to be reviewed, otherwise why copy emails with concerning words without blocking them?

      This is really not trivial. Kids are using electronic communication more to replace spoken conversation all the time. There is a reasonable expectation of privacy in email, especially for children, and here is a filter to send whatever conversation is considered objectionable (lesbian, gay?) to a board. Imagine if every spoken conversation you had from elementary through high school that contained any of those words was forwarded to a board to be reviewed. Well, no one would have heard the conversation containing any "bad" words except for the board, and any conversation with "concern" words would have been reviewed without you knowing it.

      While it's fun to make innocent sentences that would flag the filter, that is not the real problem. Plain old censorship of dirty words would be much less abominable in this case.

    155. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Only wheat or rye bread is acceptable from now on, young man! Crispy grain-based snacks are now 'snofpluts.'
      Can't see a use for 'honkey,' though.

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    156. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Throw in some therapy - most kids need it - otherwise you get situations where the girls are dating guys 10 years older, while their schoolmates are going around weeded out of boredom.

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    157. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Godfrey McDaniels.

    158. Re:What an Unreadable and Horrible Summary by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      I can't kill anymore? Damn.

      [root@dumbox ~] # chastise -9 10023
      [root@dumbox ~] # discipline -9 10023
      [root@dumbox ~] # discourage -9 10023
      [root@dumbox ~] # asktoendpolitely -9 10023
      [root@dumbox ~] # DAMNIT!
      bash: DAMNIT: command not found.
      [root@dumbox ~] # kill -9 10023
      bash: I'm telling on you!!!
      [NAUGHTY@dumbox ~] $

  2. Conditioning young people to censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I understand the headline right, they're actually preventing e-mails from sending with certain words in them.

    Why in the world would you want to teach children this is OK to do to citizens?

    If there are any words I'd like added to the list as "naughty", "Content Compliance" should be at the top of the list.

    1. Re:Conditioning young people to censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's ok - they censored the word censorship so you censored from emailing about censorship. I think there should be a 'Yo Dawg' in there somewhere...

    2. Re:Conditioning young people to censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why in the world would you want to teach children this is OK to do to citizens?

      So that they'll grow up fully accommodated to a world where censorship is normal and expected. Why else?

    3. Re:Conditioning young people to censorship by Bieeanda · · Score: 1

      They really should. 'Yo' and 'Dawg' are clearly gang-related language.

    4. Re:Conditioning young people to censorship by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to break in and add 'the' to the list.

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  3. OH yea by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    I tried to type but after the f and 2 * and K it disappeared. Dam

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  4. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...what was the actual point here? I kinda lost it sometime after clicking the tenth link.

    1. Re:So... by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      ...what was the actual point here? I kinda lost it sometime after clicking the tenth link.

      Too bad. The last link was the potentially most interesting, but it's behind a login.

    2. Re:So... by Muros · · Score: 1

      Worked for me. Shows a list of banned words:

      anal anus arse ass asses asshole assholes asskisser asswipe ballsack bastard beastiality biatch bitch bitches bitchin bitching blowjob blowjobs boner boob boobies boobs bullshit bunghole buttface buttfuck buttfucker butthole buttplug circlejerk clit clitoris cock cocks cocksuck cocksucker cocksucking cum cumming cums cumshot cunilingus cunillingus cunnilingus cunt cuntlick cuntlicker cuntlicking cunts damn dick dike dildo dildos dipshit douchebag dumbass dyke ejaculate ejaculated ejaculates ejaculating ejaculation fag fagget fagging faggit faggot faggs fagot fagots fags fatass fatso felatio fellatio fingerfuck fingerfucked fingerfucker fingerfuckers fingerfucking fingerfucks fistfuck fistfucked fistfucker fistfuckers fistfucking fistfuckings fistfucks fuck fucked fucker fuckers fuckin fucking fuckings fuckme fucks fudgepacker gangbang gangbanged gangbangs gaysex goddamn gonads hardon hardcoresex hell homo hooker horniest horny hotsex hussy jackass jackingoff jackoff jack-off jerk-off jism jiz jizm jizz lesbo mothafuck mothafucka mothafuckas mothafuckaz mothafucked mothafucker mothafuckers mothafuckin mothafucking mothafuckings mothafucks motherfuck motherfucked motherfucker motherfuckers motherfuckin motherfucking motherfuckings motherfucks muff nig nigga nigger niggers orgasm orgasms pecker penis phonesex pissoff prick pricks pube pussies pussy pussys queer rape raped retard screw scrotum shit shited shitfull shiting shits shitted shitter shitters shitting shitty sleaze slut sluts smut spunk tit titties titty twat vagina wank whore

      Theres also a list of "concern words":

      gun shoot stab knife kill hurt fight murder attack punch hate suicide cutting drug drugs pot weed marijuana grass blunt toke stoned beer alcohol booze drunk gay lesbian porn sex molest molested molesting naked nude

    3. Re:So... by Asgerix · · Score: 1

      Probably worked for you because you are already logged in to google.

      Use this link to avoid logging in.

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    4. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Log in with any Google account.

    5. Re:So... by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      Thanks! Hmm, so if I'm a kid in school, I can't do a report about blue-footed boobies, call a stupid person a "boob", even in fictional dialogue. Discuss smoking a fag or taking a faggot off my saddle and throwing it on the fire. Or write about homo sapiens. Or jackasses (the donkey, not the human variety), Discuss the dikes' roles in New Orleans flood. Horny toads. Hell (no Dante's Inferno?). Roosters. Wood peckers. Cats. Queer (unusual). Retardation (slowing of growth). Carpentry (screw). Twitter (twat; past tense of tweet).
      The unintended use of this list to auto-censor is to remove non-offensive definitions of these words from common use, thus solidifying the newer, offensive definitions. A net loss for the English language.

    6. Re:So... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, so if I'm a kid in school, I can't do a report about blue-footed boobies, call a stupid person a "boob", even in fictional dialogue.

      They really have it in for the Audubon society, because you mustn't say tit, cock or pecker.

      I also thought that fudgepacker was a honest profession.

    7. Re:So... by residieu · · Score: 1

      So, I guess there's no talking about Tricky Dick in History class. Or about Dick Clark or Dick van Dyke (banned on two counts). Or any Richard in class whose parents used the nickname Dick and it stuck (not that I've seen any of those recently)

    8. Re:So... by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Twitter (twat; past tense of tweet)..

      No. There are at least 2 towns called Twatt though.

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    9. Re:So... by residieu · · Score: 1

      I guess it could be worse. They could have used the regular expression functionality. I wonder how many legitimate words would be caught by .*fuck.* ?

    10. Re:So... by Muros · · Score: 1

      AH yes, I was.

    11. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, my son graduated from HS a couple of years ago, and not only did he have to write an essay on Dick Cheney, he had to read and comment on (parts of) Moby Dick. I guess he never would have graduated with those marks against him.

  5. Then don't use Google Censor by jonfr · · Score: 1

    If in doubt, do not use Google Censor.

    But this is just beyond stupid I must say.

    1. Re:Then don't use Google Censor by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      I would phrase that a little differently.

      "If in doubt, don't censor."

      Censorship is almost never a "good thing", and it's just so easy for it to become a "bad thing". To have your school hovering over you, watching all your emails, your homework, everything you do seems preposterous to me.

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  6. Scunthorpe problem again by shoppa · · Score: 1

    Took me a while to decode the original article because it manages to wander all over the place.

    Synopsis: The Scunthorpe Problem all over again

    1. Re:Scunthorpe problem again by CyberDragon777 · · Score: 1

      Clbuttic!

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  7. Is this the "American Freedom"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this the coveted "American Freedom" I heard so much about as a youth growing up in communist Hungary?

    1. Re:Is this the "American Freedom"? by Ashriel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh, "freedom" is just a marketing slogan here in the U.S. It gets us lots of immigrants that will work for less pay and fewer benefits. The illegal ones are especially beneficial, since they'll work for next to nothing with no benefits.

      When politicians use the word, they mean economic freedom - e.g., the right to screw other people out of their money.

  8. Billy the 8 year old terrorist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Billy the 8 year old gets the school to put him on a terror watch list without doing anything bad (see line 32 of the bounce/deliver words) with this excerpt from his 2nd grade story.

    after it rained, the shoot of grass drunk the rain while a naked weed experienced the cutting attack of a drunk landscaper.

  9. Relevant Penny Arcade comic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is "Prefanity".

  10. Why censor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not teach the kids to not be assholes? Bad words are only hurtful when

  11. What the watermelon? by flinkflonk · · Score: 1

    "Nasty word" lists have, do and will never work. It's to easy to push new memes that look totally innocent - see subject :)

    1. Re:What the watermelon? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      True story - the principal of my high school suggested that instead of cursing, we should say things like "oh apple" or "oh banana" in place of "oh shit," for example. Students found this hilarious of course and we came up with some very creative expressions in parody of this hilarious suggestion. We'd do things like say "Jimmy is a great big asssssparagus" and "this is a load of SHITake mushrooms" right in front of teachers.

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  12. oh no!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait... so at the bottom of the NSFW custom objectionable word list, it says 'ignore' for office docs, and images?

    So, a kid can send porn images around, or can attach a word/OOo doc, and say whatever they want?

    Oh no! Crap!

  13. Homework by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some kid is going to have a terrible report on birds if he can't include the tit and pecker.

    1. Re:Homework by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the boobies.

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  14. Makes some subjects impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope no student wants to write about the Bush's vice president. Or the prolific works of Phillip K. Or Tracy. Or use certain quotes from many books.

    Or a description of the digestive system for biology. Or mention what species humans are. Or use the other name for rooster.

    Or the reproductive system for health class.

    Or any discussion of the afterlife.

    Or reference a violent sexual crime.

    Or have any sort of poetic license in creative writing, which is supposed to teach how to use words. This includes the bad ones.

  15. "CHAINSAW IT" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  16. Just wait for it to fail the breast cancer test by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Just wait for it to fail the breast cancer test and who will take the blame then?

    1. Re:Just wait for it to fail the breast cancer test by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      $10 says that schools using this censorship system will have special computers that students can use for research that contains words like "breast" or "penis," and that students will have to be supervised while using those computers. I mean, why not train our kids to think that censorship is the norm and that the only way you can get around it is while an authority figure is supervising your work?

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    2. Re:Just wait for it to fail the breast cancer test by travisco_nabisco · · Score: 1

      Yes, because the best way for kids to search for porn is to use the words 'breast' and 'penis'. Give the kids more credit than that, they grew up with computers and are probably capable of getting to porn using only a mouse if you start them on the Google home page.

    3. Re:Just wait for it to fail the breast cancer test by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Indeed, but the panic over what children might be exposed to on the Internet has led to censorship being implemented in schools -- and if it were not for that pesky "first amendment," we would have seen a censored Internet nationwide in this country long ago.

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  17. In its defense by uglyMood · · Score: 2

    The objectional word list is hilarious if you imagine it being read by Porky Pig.

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    1. Re:In its defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The objectional word list is hilarious if you imagine it being read by Porky Pig.

      Man, I wish I had mod points. That's the hardest I've laughed all day.

  18. Reading it's like chasing a fart in a hurricane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're NEVER going to get it.

  19. Interesting word list by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    They blocked 'scrotum', 'screw', and 'gonads'? This ought to make the science and engineering classes interesting.

    1. Re:Interesting word list by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Engineering classes? Before college? Not likely in this country.

      As for scrotum and gonads, I do not recall hearing those words mentioned in any biology and "health education" classes, so I guess that will not be a problem either. If you are reading this and thinking, "What the hell is going on with education over there," you must have not been paying attention -- American education is second rate. Schools in America are really meant to condition people to accept a particular social order and hierarchy (unless you are wealthy enough to send your children to private school).

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    2. Re:Interesting word list by Alwinner · · Score: 1

      They allowed erection and sperm.

    3. Re:Interesting word list by fermion · · Score: 1

      There are many pre engineering classes in the US at the high school and middle school level. And yes there are many giggles when w screw the male into the female socket.

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  20. Far scarier is the "concern" list... by Lunatrik · · Score: 2
    Banning words is pretty bad, but what do you think the admin staff can do with a "concern" list? If you click through to the North Carolina google doc filter, you get the following set of words:

    gun shoot stab knife kill hurt fight murder attack punch hate suicide cutting drug drugs pot weed marijuana grass blunt toke stoned beer alcohol booze drunk gay lesbian porn sex molest molested molesting naked nude

    Based on the site, admins are forwarded messages with those terms but they are still delivered. If I was a parent I would not let my kids play in this sandbox...

    1. Re:Far scarier is the "concern" list... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      I like how "grass" is on that list -- I guess a lot of the school's athletes are suddenly going to have their emails forwarded to the district.

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    2. Re:Far scarier is the "concern" list... by rennerik · · Score: 2

      What I don't understand is why "gay" and "lesbian" are "concern words." I think that's actually more significant and alarming than anything else.

      With all the bullying going on in schools, and the corresponding suicides that have peppered the media recently (especially of LGBT teens), I think the last thing that needs to happen are for kids to accidentally out themselves or each other to the designated school censor, whomever that might be.

      Why does the North Canton school district feel that they must track any email with the word "gay" and "lesbian" in it? Just what are they trying to track?

    3. Re:Far scarier is the "concern" list... by nccstech · · Score: 1

      If someone is harassing a student because of their sexual orientation, that is not acceptable and we would like to know that. Our guidance office strives to defend and assist any student being discriminated against. Please note, we are not blocking any messages with any word on the concern list.

    4. Re:Far scarier is the "concern" list... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      What I don't understand is why "gay" and "lesbian" are "concern words."

      If you've ever spent more than a couple minutes in the vicinity of teenagers or young adults, you've likely heard the word "gay" used as a pejorative - e.g. "that's really gay" or "how gay is that?". It's been very popular for the past several years.

      I'm not defending; just explaining.

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    5. Re:Far scarier is the "concern" list... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      How do you know that the email in question is not a "coming out" email? Or do homosexual students no longer have privacy rights (despite being a group of students that has a higher need for privacy than others)?

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    6. Re:Far scarier is the "concern" list... by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Heaven help anyone quoting the bible. Most of those words occur in the KJV, for example:

      $ zgrep -c -w pot kjv.txt.gz
      21
      $ zgrep -c -w weed kjv.txt.gz
      1
      $ zgrep -c -w grass kjv.txt.gz
      60
      $ zgrep -c -w drunk kjv.txt.gz
      36
      $ zgrep -c -w shoot kjv.txt.gz
      19
      $ zgrep -c -w stab kjv.txt.gz
      0
      $ zgrep -c -w knife kjv.txt.gz
      6
      $ zgrep -c -w kill kjv.txt.gz
      128
      $ zgrep -c -w naked kjv.txt.gz
      48
      $ zgrep -c -w molest kjv.txt.gz
      2

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    7. Re:Far scarier is the "concern" list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember when (internet) email was pretty new, and the details of the Echelon program were beginning to leak. We used to include "Echelon Bait" in the signature of emails with all sorts of cold-war-themed trigger words, like "Moscow", "Nuclear", "Palestine", "Anthrax", "Assassinate", "Israel", etc.

      The idea being, with enough such emails, either:
      1) Everything would get lost in the noise and the program would get scrapped.
      2) They'd stop looking at emails from you in order to keep the signal-to-noise-ratio higher.
      3) At least, you'd give some poor operator a huge amount of boring work.

      It was basically assumed at the time that it probably wouldn't work, although in hindsight everyone probably gave too much credit to the NSA for having orders-of-magnitude above state-of-the-art algorithms and processing power.

      Now, it's pretty much impossible to assume that any school that would come up with word lists like this, will be any better! Put *every* word at the bottom of *every* document!

    8. Re:Far scarier is the "concern" list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that, as pointed out elsewhere, there are students who are actually gay and may wish to discuss that with their friends and confidants. Secretly forwarding such personal conversation to school officials -- officials who (let's be honest here) are not necessarily always going to be pillars of egalitarianism -- is nothing short of disgusting. I am the parent of a gay teenager, and if I lived in your school district I would be demanding your head on a platter right about now, regardless of what your intentions were when you chose to add those words to the concern list. As it stands, I've forwarded this article and my view on the effects of including 'gay' and 'lesbian' on the list of concern words to the ACLU of Ohio.

      This 'concern list' is far more invasive and dangerous than simply blocking messages with blacklisted words, and if you intend to use it, I sincerely hope you put far more serious thought into the possible consequences of each word on the list than you currently have.

    9. Re:Far scarier is the "concern" list... by tivoKlr · · Score: 1

      What is far scarier than all of this is someone from the North Canton School System has the fucking gall to come on /. and somehow, more than once, try to defend this absolutely deplorable practice. For fucks sake, you people must all be idiots, and I can feel some comfort that my children live damn far from Ohio.

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    10. Re:Far scarier is the "concern" list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I don't think the school should be tracking the students like this, if the students want privacy they should be using private email accounts, not the school run ones.

  21. Could we slashdot Google? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

    I know, it's Sunday, traffic is low, and Google has more servers than anyone. But, I'm watching "Anonymous user xxxx has opened this document" pop up, repeatedly. And, I'm just wondering if we could ever slashdot Google to death. It would be fun to try!

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    1. Re:Could we slashdot Google? by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 1

      Maybe, I got served the plain list version, "because of the number of requests for this document". Or words to that effect.

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  22. So much for Shakespeare & Shop Class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prick was used more than once by the bard to my memory. Never in reference to the penis, although I had a girlfriend at university that probably could have proven how he actually meant penis.

    And screw? Really? That's hardware. Which reminds me, I didn't see vibrator on the list.

  23. Watching the /. effect in action by AngryNick · · Score: 1

    Seeing how many people actually read TFA is more interesting than the topic. 2,157 annon viewers and counting.

  24. Censorship is least of their concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This stupid article should be about the stupidity of a school using google docs at all. I guess the submitter with his google account just can't grasp it. Too bad that goes double for the editors of this rag. Fuck google and other enslavers! And fuck people aiding them.

  25. Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This doesn't look like a case of censoring the Venus de Milo, or blocking email from someone named Scunthorpe, or anything like that. Nor are there obvious political or religious overtones.

    Context matters--what happens to a student who actually uses a "bad" word in an innocent context--"It was a bitch and she had the purtiest coat. I said to the feller owned her, ' When she finds pups,' says I, 'I'd like one.'"--Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings, "The Yearling." Or someone who quotes the F-word passage from "The Catcher in the Rye." Or someone who just barely crosses the line in, let's say, a creative writing piece that too-accurately reports the colloquial language of her peers. The actions the school takes matter. But the list itself, as a trigger for action, seems pretty sensible.

    One could easily write an essay on eroticism in Walt Whitman ("I sing the body electric,") or Shakespeare playing to the groundlings ("Spake ye of country matters?"), without violating the list.

    This list doesn't look like ludicrous overreaching to me. I enjoyed my giggles from reading it as much as anyone else, and am amused by its being available in an open Google Docs document. But it doesn't reflect poorly on North Canton schools.

    Any high school student who uses these words in a piece of schoolwork is either committed a mistake--a mistake that could potentially cost them a job if their adult life--or they're engaged in a breaching experiment. Either way, it is perfectly appropriate for the school to take some kind of action.

    1. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never paid attention in biology class, have you?

    2. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you're trolling. Describing body parts or actions is not necessarily either a mistake, a breach, or wrong in any way. Children need to learn these things and they are a sensible part of any human being's education. Trying to pretend they do not exist is like trying to pretend that the number 3 doesn't exist, and stifling childrens' expression by refusing to let them discuss them is just ridiculous, and probably against some kind of law, or do not children have any right to freedom of expression? Writing about bodily parts and functions in a biology assignment, an assignment on human relations, a literature assignment, or in other contexts seems completely legitimate.

    3. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      So this one time, I read a book about this kid in Holland who stuck his finger into a queer hole in a dike and probably saved the entire country. Then I went to shop class and screwed a few faggots together (managed to prick my finger in the process). But what do I know, I'm just a stupid homo sapiens. Blue-footed boobies are, of course, naughty, as well as tits, as well as cocks. Wouldn't want anyone seeing a male chicken, for christ's sakes! Ask Dick Cheney, I'm sure he'd agree.

      The list is "perfectly appropriate" and "reasonable", and anyone using those words has "committed a mistake" and probably shouldn't ever get a job, anywhere, ever.

      (ten. if you found them all, you win a fucking prize.)

    4. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Did you actually read the list or did you just take a quick glance at it?

      The following sentences could cause a filter to trip:

      "The external male sexual organs - or gonads - are the penis and the testicles. The testicles are enclosed in a sac of skin called the scrotum". (Virtually any biology work concerning sex would suffer equally - "vagina", "clitoris", "orgasm" and "ejaculate" are all in the list).

      "The role of chimney sweep Bert in Mary Poppins was played by actor Dick van Dyke".

      "As part of this woordwork project, each item is held in place with a single screw."

      While I doubt the filter would block on just a single instance, if you're talking about (for example) actor Dick van Dyke, chances are his name's going to appear in the essay several times.

      I've never yet seen a filter which was worth a damn. But I have worked in a school (albeit some years ago) and the consensus of opinion there was very much along the lines of "the filtering may never work properly and we may be stuck with something that on the face of it causes as many problems as it solves - but the sort of problems it causes are likely to cost us a lot less than the sort of problems it solves."

    5. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by poena.dare · · Score: 1

      Some of us urban dwellers live in a world with a multi-cultural context. Some of us even embrace it. So it strikes me as funny that only English words are deemed worth of being inappropriate.

      I should have taught my son to curse in Spanish.

    6. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Context matters--what happens to a student who actually uses a "bad" word in an innocent context--"It was a bitch and she had the purtiest coat."

      Um, yeah context matters. Sure, there are "innocent" uses you describe but there's also biology and the use of colorful language for a character in a creative essay. There is no way that a computer can properly assess the context. A simple word filter is useless.

      It is STUPID to filter out words instead of teaching students how to properly use them. No, there is no "reasonable list". It does reflect poorly on any school system that decides to use a poorly-discriminating technical solution instead of teaching students. And all you are really teaching students is how limited technical solutions are and how easy it is to get around them, or how to use a thesaurus to find synonyms or invent your own, which I suppose is a lesson in itself. Heck, if I was a teacher at that school I'd be tempted to do a lesson along the lines of:

      "Here's the list of prohibited words that you are not allowed to use and that are being filtered out automatically by the software that the school board has forced you to use. Your exercise over the weekend is to write an readable essay on the concept of censorship using at least 10 of the concepts labeled by these words, but only by using synonyms that do NOT appear on the prohibited list. Be creative."

      Of course, that wouldn't work, because the first place they'd probably look for information would be the internet, and we wouldn't want to have to deal with whatever little Billy found while searching Google for a synonym to "orgasm" :-) Hmmm... maybe if I said they could only use a paper dictionary and thesaurus.

    7. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's my issue with this. If a kid is cussing in a paper, the paper is poorly written and they're going to fail or get a bad grade anyway. That's their punishment. Let them have that as the punishment--don't stop them before they can make the mistake. By high school they should know that that's totally inappropriate. I occasionally turn in papers with swear words--very rarely--but occasionally there is a quote, or I've been tasked with creating a short story and a character says damn a few times. I'll make sure the teacher's comfortable with that first, and most are. Aside from that sort of thing, I don't see why kids would ever be cursing in their homework, or why failing them on the assignment wouldn't be enough of a punishment. In short I don't see the issue that calls for this system. If kids at this school are really cursing in their homework to that extent, there is a bigger problem there and they're only treating the symptom. Stopping someone from doing something doesn't stop them from wanting to and the wanting to is the real issue here.

    8. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to note that when I mention cursing in a quote, this is generally when I'm quoting a book I've been assigned. We've worked on The Catcher In The Rye, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, and many similar books.

    9. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by fatphil · · Score: 1

      "The role of chimney sweep Bert in Mary Poppins was played by actor Dick van Dyke."

      Oh noes! Evil, evil, evil. Let's see if I can fix it for you:

      "The role of chimney sweep Bert in Mary Poppins was played by an American actor whose cockney accent was complete bollocks."

      That's better.

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    10. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, this particular list is ok, but you can imagine lists that would not be. Who gets to decide?

      It's not clear from the convoluted summary, but it seems like this might filter email between students and not just assignments. What I, personally, find objectionable in this is not the inappropriateness of any specific word, but the whole structure. Once the structure is in place, it's a relatively small step to abuse it. Or to expand it in such a way as it looks like abuse to some segment of the people. The North Canton list includes several variations on "the n-word" but no slurs of other races: surely there should be equality of protection from epithets. I notice it does contain several words describing homosexuality: is that to shield people from discrimination or to squelch discussion of gay issues?

      I'm not saying that students should be allowed to use coarse language, I'm saying that any language policy should be enforced by humans, who implicitly judge every single case.

    11. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      It doesn't look like a reasonable list, in my opinion. They're just words like anything else to me. If they say them, I couldn't care less. What a waste of time. "We think these words are bad. Some people could, potentially, be offended by them. Therefore, we're going to punish anyone who says them."

      a mistake that could potentially cost them a job if their adult life

      Really? I don't think it works like that.

      Either way, it is perfectly appropriate for the school to take some kind of action.

      Perhaps to you. Not to me, however. I'd rather not live in a society where people believe that censorship is good or that certain words are somehow factually "bad."

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    12. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      If a kid is cussing in a paper, the paper is poorly written

      Really? Poorly written by whose standards? I don't think something is poorly written merely because it contains cuss words.

      By high school they should know that that's totally inappropriate.

      What I think is totally inappropriate is people teaching kids that certain words are somehow factually bad because the magical moral fairy told them so.

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    13. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by Calydor · · Score: 1

      *ahem*

      COCKney. Filter tripped.

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    14. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by jgrahn · · Score: 1

      Any high school student who uses these words in a piece of schoolwork is either committed a mistake--a mistake that could potentially cost them a job if their adult life--or they're engaged in a breaching experiment. Either way, it is perfectly appropriate for the school to take some kind of action.

      How about letting a teacher take that action, after he or she has read it? Teachers still read what the students write, right?

    15. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Any high school student who uses these words in a piece of schoolwork [has] either committed a mistake []

      Really?

      ‘hell’ — hardly a swearword, but also a valid theological term
      ‘ass’ — Biblical term for donkey
      ‘prick’ — what a nurse does with a syringe to a patient
      ‘pricks’ — singular verb form of ‘prick’
      ‘dyke’ — how the Dutch keep the sea out of their country
      ‘damn’ — “Damn with faint praise”?
      ‘tit’, ‘cock’ — kinds of birds
      ‘bitch’ — correct term for a female dog
      and so on.

      Not to mention dubiety of blocking serious words like ‘rape’.

      Still, I’d be impressed by any student who managed to use ALL of these words in an essay, correctly.

    16. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by fermion · · Score: 1
      Right, this is a high school list. Lesbian is on the list. Students should be able to directly write about their lesbian parents. They should be able to write about their suicidal thoughts without resorting to word play. By preventing them writing about these thoughts, we do not make them go away, we merely bury them and prevent the students for expressing a need for help.

      This list exists merely to push students to write and think in a way acceptable to conservatives. By censoring language one is censoring thought and culture. That is why it is so important to so many people to make English the only language allowed in school.

      There are many ways that one uses these words without making a mistake, and in fact by censoring these words one is encourage imprecise language and promoting irrational thought. Let's look at talking about animals. A dog is male, a bitch is female. Anal is the only way to accurately describe a part of the body. Many students in my school are reading Dante, which would be hard to write about without the word hell. Sexual energy is everywhere in high school, and censoring it will not make it go away. My required journal back in 9th grade was full of it, and there were no errors, Queer is a descriptor for a perception of a person. Yes there are synonyms, but we want kids to maximize their variety of words, not use the same words all the time. A bird's anus does not have a sphincter. It is the truth, and there is no other accurate way to write it.

      The fact that this is high school makes the list not only censorship, but an attack on the students basic right to be educated. Vagina and penis and clitoris are proper terms that educated people use. Uneducated people don't care if there is no way to express a reality they care nothing about. They would never know that Pecker is an astroid belt. In high school, students in astronomy do.

      In fact there is a reason to have such a list active, to prevent student for overusing words. If this is the intent, then no word list is necessary. Just include a automated sorted word list, and allow the teacher to set a threshold. This, however, is actually good for educated the student to think critically, so is not a priority for any school system.

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    17. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by snadrus · · Score: 1

      From this language all over To Kill A Mockingbird to the theme of my high school (Mark Twain HS), this list is unacceptable. Nowadays my companies' annual required class from the LGBT community would even be disallowed by this list. Schools need to tackle issues that (if not otherwise taught about) could be problematic not-to-know-about when adults.

      That's exactly what this list is: all items our society gives power too. Not using them is not enough. As my history teacher always said "We learn this (injustices) here so we're not doomed to repeat it".

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    18. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Wow! I salute you, sir, and whatever filtering software your brain uses!

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    19. Re:Sorry, looks like a reasonable list to me. by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Last I check, anything government sponsored shouldn't be censoring.

  26. encryped? by jmichaelg · · Score: 1
    I wonder if it matters to the threat scanner that who ever setup the list of threats at North Canton City Schools doesn't know how to spell encrypted.

    .

    And why would a school block .jobs and .museum? It's as if the school district doesn't want their students to find a job or be educated outside the school.

  27. They don't seem concerned with violence by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    All the words in this list focus on swearing and swearing only. The words that can actually cause harm to people, words that can be used to utter threats of violence are left out. There's no blocks on murder, stabbing, pipebomb.

    The only thing I can conclude from their fine list is they don't care if the student's hurt or kill each other or express their desire to do so. They just don't want them to make love.

    1. Re:They don't seem concerned with violence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they do. Within the "concern words" filter

      gun shoot stab knife kill hurt fight murder attack punch hate suicide cutting drug drugs pot weed marijuana grass blunt toke stoned beer alcohol booze drunk gay lesbian porn sex molest molested molesting naked nude

    2. Re:They don't seem concerned with violence by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      The words that can actually cause harm to people

      As far as I know, there are no words that can cause harm to people. I don't think that a word needs to be banned just because some people are offended by it (and I don't think many people are offended by the words you mentioned, to be honest).

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    3. Re:They don't seem concerned with violence by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I like how all kinds of words referring to alcohol and weed are in there but nothing about cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. Do all the hard drugs you want kids, but don't have a beer or a spliff!

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    4. Re:They don't seem concerned with violence by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Addendum: They flag alcohol but not tobacco, which have the same legal status. So do nature's most addictive substance all you want kids, but STAY AWAY FROM THE BEER AND REEFER!

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  28. Lucretia and Tarquinius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess writing a paper about any art or literature about the rape of Lucretia is just right out.

  29. So in other words... by Darkness404 · · Score: 2
    So in other words they are making sure that students can't quote (real) literature? Just about any decent book not intended for Kindergarteners has some swearing in it. Not only that but often schools have students read books with "Nigger" as a main part of the dialogue (Huckleberry Finn, To Kill A Mockingbird, etc.) making it nearly impossible to write an essay on that topic. Or what about quoting Shakespeare, this passage from A Midsummer's Night Dream comes to mind:

    Made senseless things begin to do them wrong; For briers and thorns at their apparel snatch; Some sleeves, some hats, from yielders all things catch. I led them on in this distracted fear, And left sweet Pyramus translated there: When in that moment, so it came to pass, Titania waked and straightway loved an ass.

    Heck, half the comedy in the play revolves around the double meaning of the word ass.

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    1. Re:So in other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not unless they use an edited version of the novel.

      http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/01/06/1555251/The-Continued-Censorship-of-Huckleberry-Finn

      (Although, if students/teachers don't want to speak that word when reading out loud, they shouldn't have too.)

      I am against censorship of literature. Learn about why it was what it was.

      (I find it kind of funny that slashdot is making me type the word "fellatio" as the captcha. What are the odds?)

    2. Re:So in other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you are not current in school library acquisitions. New editions of Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird are now available, and being purchased by school districts, that remove every instance of the word "nigger" judging young people too imbecilic to differentiate the use of it as a racial slur, and its use in an work of fiction, written during a time when use of the word was widespread.

    3. Re:So in other words... by pnot · · Score: 1

      New editions of Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird are now available, and being purchased by school districts, that remove every instance of the word "nigger" judging young people too imbecilic to differentiate the use of it as a racial slur, and its use in an work of fiction...

      Depressing. I note from the list that it will be impossible to write about Moby Dick, but maybe we could produce a censored version called Moby Dong or Moby Schlong which would comply with the word-list.

      Idiots.

    4. Re:So in other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      books with "Nigger" as a main part of the dialogue Huckleberry Finn,

      The fuckstain censors have released a censored version of Huck Finn where they removed "nigger" entirely.

      If you really don't think kids should hear the word, take the book off the shelf instead of raping our cultural history. Mark Twain was a rabid anti-slavery advocate, and wrote a scathing social commentary which derided the use of the word "nigger" and painted those who used it as a pack of drunken degenerate child beating fuckwads.... at a time when it was still considered socially acceptable to use it in "polite" conversation amongst the upper crust of society.
      You can actually give a lot of credit to that man, and specifically that book, for getting it out of common use and into the "bad words" category.

      But I'd bet a dollar that the people who passed that policy are either Racists who still feel Twain's stinging rebuke of their actions, or else the retards who only passed their English Lit class by giving the teacher blowjobs in the storage cloest.

  30. Git Them Kids That There Web 2.0 Stuff! by BaldingByMicrosoft · · Score: 1

    Well done on the consent form. Love the way it just drops reference to the real agreement:
    https://sites.google.com/site/wiscgapps/wisconsin-google-apps-announcements/consentformandagreementavailable

    Some of the confidentiality agreement is below. Love the way they name Google as "School Official" to mitigate FERPA. I also linked Wikipedia below for CIPA, COPPA, and FERPA. These are federal, not sure what the state laws and guidelines are in Wisconsin.

    Maybe I'm paranoid, and it's okay for targeted ads for tutoring services to follow little Johnny around for a few years. I do feel bad for Wisconsin K-12 IT. I'm sure they've worked hard over the years to provide systems and AAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAAA_protocol) to help students, teachers and school officials protect information and student record data as required. Kiss that goodbye when managed AAA is replaced with self-managed peer-to-peer document security on a per-document basis. What's this "make public" checkbox? Looks cool! How many Wisconsin teachers and administrators are being trained to manage their own data governance in this environment?

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    5. Confidential Information.

    5.1 Obligations.
    Each party will: (a) protect the other party’s Confidential Information with the same standard of care, but no less than a reasonable standard of care, it uses to protect its own Confidential Information; and (b) subject to applicable law, not disclose the Confidential Information, except to Affiliates, employees and agents who have a reasonable need to know it and who have agreed in writing to keep it confidential. Each party (and any Affiliates, employees and agents to whom it has disclosed Confidential Information) may use Confidential Information only to exercise rights and fulfill its obligations under this Agreement, while using reasonable care to protect it. Each party is responsible for any actions of its Affiliates, employees and agents in violation of this Section.

    5.2 Exceptions.
    Confidential Information does not include information that: (a) the recipient of the Confidential Information already knew; (b) becomes public through no fault of the recipient (in the case of Google, without Google’s reference to Customer Data); (c) was independently developed by the recipient; or (d) was rightfully given to the recipient by another party.

    5.3 Required Disclosure.
    Each party may disclose the other party’s Confidential Information when required by law but only after it, if legally permissible: (a) uses commercially reasonable efforts to notify the other party; and (b) gives the other party the chance to challenge the disclosure.

    5.4 FERPA.
    The parties acknowledge that (a) Customer Data may include personally identifiable information from education records that are subject to FERPA (“FERPA Records”); and (b) to the extent that Customer Data includes FERPA Records, Google will be considered a “School Official” (as that term is used in FERPA and its implementing regulations) and will comply with FERPA.

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    FERPA
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FERPA

    CIPA
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Internet_Protection_Act

    COPPA
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act

  31. After installing the filter... by urusan · · Score: 1

    There was a 2000% uptick in talk about barriers designed to impound water.

  32. Sorry, looks like an unreasonable list to me. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any high school student who uses these words in a piece of schoolwork is either committed a mistake

    Oh yeah? How about an essay that contains something like this:

    Although it is less relevant in the modern world, the Bible does contain a prohibition on beastiality (sic, the list doesn't spell this word correctly), which indicates that such practices were known among ancient near-east cultures...

    Yeah, it is really a stretch to think that a student would use one of the words on the list in their schoolwork. Many of the words on that list could easily be used in an academic context even at the high school level. A student might be talking about dog breeding and use the word "bitch" appropriately, or might write a report about the history of the gay rights movement which contains various slang words.

    The actions the school takes matter. But the list itself, as a trigger for action, seems pretty sensible.

    It is sensible if your goal is to condition students to believe that censorship is normal and that if you are going to discuss certain topics it must be under the supervision of an authority figure. What do you think reaches students at a deeper level: a class about the US government which happens to cover the bill of rights, or a censorship system that the students must submit to every day? How much respect for freedom of speech do you think these students will have, after spending years dealing with this sort of censorship?

    On the one hand, we criticize the Chinese for doing these sorts of things, we criticize Cisco for providing the necessary equipment, and we encourage people to run proxies and Tor exits. On the other hand, we engage in exactly the same behavior when it comes to our schools and students, we use the same equipment, the same sort of policies, and we discourage students from circumventing the censorship apparatus. What are teachers supposed to say when they teach about current events?

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    1. Re:Sorry, looks like an unreasonable list to me. by JorDan+Clock · · Score: 1

      Actually, bestiality is a correct spelling, but it's not so surprising that this list is missing alternate spellings.

    2. Re:Sorry, looks like an unreasonable list to me. by steelfood · · Score: 1

      What are teachers supposed to say when they teach about current events?

      The only thing they've always said, and the only thing they ever will and ever will need to say:

      America, fuck yeah!

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    3. Re:Sorry, looks like an unreasonable list to me. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      That is why I said "sic"

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    4. Re:Sorry, looks like an unreasonable list to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you dumbfuck. "sic" is used only for a direct quote, to indicate that you did not introduce the error.

    5. Re:Sorry, looks like an unreasonable list to me. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      That is why I said "sic" -- "beastiality" is what is on the list.

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    6. Re:Sorry, looks like an unreasonable list to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is sensible if your goal is to condition students to believe that censorship is normal and that if you are going to discuss certain topics it must be under the supervision of an authority figure. What do you think reaches students at a deeper level: a class about the US government which happens to cover the bill of rights, or a censorship system that the students must submit to every day? How much respect for freedom of speech do you think these students will have, after spending years dealing with this sort of censorship?

      On the one hand, we criticize the Chinese for doing these sorts of things, we criticize Cisco for providing the necessary equipment, and we encourage people to run proxies and Tor exits. On the other hand, we engage in exactly the same behavior when it comes to our schools and students, we use the same equipment, the same sort of policies, and we discourage students from circumventing the censorship apparatus. What are teachers supposed to say when they teach about current events?

      And you have hit on exactly why I think random locker searches and drug testing teachers are very very very bad ideas.

    7. Re:Sorry, looks like an unreasonable list to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exposing students to this - in school - is the best teacher. How many high schoolers knew what a proxy is, before they started censoring school internet connections?

  33. No honours? by a+whoabot · · Score: 2

    So are no students going to graduate cum laude?

    1. Re:No honours? by Nyder · · Score: 1

      So are no students going to graduate cum laude?

      Isn't that what they do later at the graduation party?

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  34. I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by nccstech · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hey everyone, I am the author of the "bad word" spreadsheet being discussed. I got an email from a slashdot users letting me know about the discussion, so I wanted to share what I can from my perspective on this topic. As usual, there is always a lot more to the story than you will get from just looking at one piece of information (the spreadsheet) and hopefully I can help explain that. You certainly may not agree with what our school is doing (that is fine) but I at least want to make sure you have the full story. Note: In posting this I am not speaking officially for my school district, but am simply trying to explain the situation from my personal perspective. First, it is important to realize that the spreadsheet you see is a work in progress. Up until January 2011 our students did not have school-issued email accounts. This is still a brand new venture for us, and we have been and will continue to modify our policies. I really appreciate the feedback many of you have provided. You have lots of good points that I believe will help us as we continue to develop this. So, first question... how did we come up with this list? We wanted to give students email accounts to help increase communication and collaboration. However, this was something new for our district so we had to be careful when rolling it out. We developed the student email guidelines through meeting, surveys, and discussions with teachers, administrators, guidance counselors, students, parents, community members, and our board of education. The list of what resulted. For the launch of our email system the consensus was to have some sort of word filter, and to keep email sending with out district. Over time I hope we can open up email so students can send outside of our domain as there are obvious benefits for them to be able to communicate with people in businesses and other schools around the world. However, we felt it was best to start out more restrictive, and the work toward more openness over time. Change in a public school system is like steering a large ship with a little rudder. It takes time. There are a lot of people involved and we need to help people along with these changes. Anyway, we made the actual list of "bad words" by working off several other lists provided to us from other schools and organizations that have been doing this themselves for years. We combined their lists and edited it down to what you see. We removed loads of words that did not seem reasonable to filter (you would be amazed at what was on the original lists). We continue to revise the list (again we have only had this for about 8 months) and will certainly run through the suggestion many of the posts here have brought up. Yes, we realize that a filter list is not going to stop inappropriate words. Students can use all sorts of variations. However as a school providing email to children, the consensus of our community to to provide some level of filtering. More than that though, we have added the topic of responsible use of technology to our curriculum so we can help our children work through this topic. Again, thanks for your feedback, and feel free to ask me additional questions. Eric

    1. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Thanks for stopping by and inviting conversation.

      I do have a few questions though. What does the filter do? Does it block the words, or flag them for review? Does it search for exact words, or would it ban words-in-words such as "multithreaded" and "cumlative"? Are you going to have to come up with an exception list to un-ban those words?

      Personally I disagree with censorship, because it's always going to be a losing battle: too little benefit, too much cost.

    2. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by nccstech · · Score: 1

      The filter is provided through a service called Postini. In this case, the filter searches for the words as distinct words, not as parts of other words. If it find such a word, it bounces the email back to the sender with a canned message indicating that the message was not delivered due to content. There was a school I spoke with that just blackholed such emails, but then no one would ever know if their email got delivered or not. We want to make sure it bounces back to the sender so they are aware of the non-delivery, and so they can inform us if it should not have been blocked. Eric

    3. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by starkat2k · · Score: 0

      As a PUBLIC school providing this service to your students, and thus by extension to their parents, one can only wonder why such activity has managed to reach this point without the parents themselves coming to the school and giving you the same ideas and reasons that slashdot users here have. It's hard to believe that not a single parent has come forward with issues about this, so I'm left to conclude that some parents have and that you're either ignoring them or dismissing their claims. After all, public schools always know what's best for the students, or so they claim.

    4. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Informative

      you would be amazed at what was on the original lists

      I am amazed at what remained on your list. What were you thinking? Not only did you block large numbers of works used in a typical biology textbook, you even managed to block words that would be relevant to bible discussions.

      However as a school providing email to children, the consensus of our community to to provide some level of filtering.

      So you are training your children to accept censorship and to run to authority figures whenever they need to discuss certain topics? If your school district were in a country like China or Myanmar, this policy might make sense.

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    5. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by nccstech · · Score: 1

      Please refer to my post to see that we involved the parents in the creation of the email guidelines. This came from our community (parents, staff, students, etc.). Additionally we clearly communicated this information with all the parents and students through a handout and a video. Parents received the information through a mass email and an "all call" phone message. Students were shown the video in school. We have been completely transparent with our students and parents concerning the email guidelines. You can see the hand out here: http://www.northcantonschools.org/tech/forms.html?task=viewcategory&catid=60 and you can see the videos here: http://www.northcantonschools.org/tech/help-videos/73-gmail.html To date we have not received any comments from students or parents asking us to change the guidelines, but we welcome their input. Again, I appreciate the feedback the slashdot users have provided and will certainly consider everything that has been shared here. Eric

    6. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by dstar · · Score: 1

      So, do you have an excuse for having 'gay' and 'lesbian' on the 'concern words' list?

    7. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by nccstech · · Score: 1

      Again, this list is a work in progress. We have and will continue to edit it. As for censorship, please understand that filtering is something Ohio schools are required to do. For example Ohio law requires some sort of filter on all Internet traffic in a school, see: http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=13491

    8. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by nccstech · · Score: 2

      Not an excuse, but a reason. If someone is harassing a student because of their sexual orientation, that is not acceptable and we would like to know that. Our guidance office strives to defend and assist any student being discriminated against. Please note, we are not blocking any messages with any word on the concern list.

    9. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of online (and offline) bullying consists of using threats that use those (and lots of other) words in a derogatory way. I imagine that some school employees would want to be notified of those instances.

      Why highlight those few words instead of the unending multitudes in use? I don't know. Societal prejudices, personal discomfort, who knows. I think that's why most censorship ultimately fails. Certainly this approach is not perfect, perhaps not even remotely viable.

      But as someone who works in education in America, I also understand similar concerns. I hear from parents frequently, "why didn't you try to stop XXX" or "didn't you know about YYY" or "you have no right to involve yourself in ZZZ".

      I am regularly asked to provide moral guidance and to avert disaster, but I am asked by others in the community to be very hands off. People want you to cover their bases for them, unless they think it isn't your business. Scarily, educators are left to bear the (sometimes direct!) legal responsibility for drawing that line. And educators are often left to divine where that line is on their own. It's a hard balance.

    10. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      Again, this list is a work in progress. We have and will continue to edit it.

      The only point at which the list would not interfere with academic discourse is when it is empty, so I hope your "edits" consist of "delete everything."

      As for censorship, please understand that filtering is something Ohio schools are required to do

      Yet you are also defending the censorship apparatus. You would still be complicit if you sat around saying, "Well, it is my job to set this up, but I do not think it is the right thing to do," but by actively defending the filtering and pretending that the only issue is figuring out which words should be banned, you are taking things to an entirely different level. Your school district is engaging in a program which teaches teenagers that censorship is part of the structure of the world, and that they should petition an authority figure when they have a "legitimate" need to discuss a verboten topic; that is the problem with a banned words list.

      I know you are just an IT guy doing what you are told, but you are still responsible for your actions, and in this case your actions have a negative impact on the children in your school district. If nobody were willing to set up this sort of censorship apparatus, the law would have to change, or it would have the effect of depriving schools and libraries of Internet access.

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    11. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by nccstech · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the comments. Yes, it is a difficult balance to reach, which is why we involved all stakeholders in the process. As for words that are missing from the list, we have and will continue to edit the list.

    12. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why in the world should students have school-issued email? who is paying for this service?

    13. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by fish+waffle · · Score: 1

      Yes, we realize that a filter list is not going to stop inappropriate words

      Inway actfay, itway ontway oday uckfay allway.

    14. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have the people monitoring the concern list filter had any kind of diversity training, and has it been made explicit to them that discussing the content of such emails if they do not have abusive content would meet with termination?

      I'm not suggesting this would be a problem in your schools but given the extent of religious fervour and homophobia which seems to exist in some parts of the US I don't have to try very hard to imagine a 'student is outed by IT staff' story.

      When I was a teenager I'd have been very uncomfortable with people in the IT department reading my emails that might've had the word 'gay' in - particularly as the head of IT was the father of someone in the school.

    15. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I noticed "cunnilingus" is blocked, but "anilingus", "felching", "rim-job", "rimming", "a2m", etc are allowed. Why do you block pussy eating but allow (perhaps even encourage) two men 69ing each others assholes?

    16. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by jcrb · · Score: 1

      It would be quite interesting to see all the removed words, that is, to see what the lists the other schools gave you that were trimmed down. I find this interesting lest from the perspective of is the list an useful tool for managing the students, and more as a window into what sort of language passes for common usage in kids email and/or what language administrators think needs to be prevented. So again if you could post up the list of all the words you had to trim out from the lists that other schools sent in I think that would me something very interesting to see.

      thanks

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    17. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by moortak · · Score: 1

      If you must filter you should flag for review an not simply bounce. There are legitimate uses for many of the words on your list and it is unreasonable to limit academic discourse because words have dual meanings.

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    18. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by IICV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If that's what you're worried about, then you would be far better off having some method by which students can report e-mails that they receive as being threatening or harassing.

      Your current system is, in itself, threatening and/or harassing, without providing any benefit at all. The bullies will quickly figure out which words are on your concern list, and stop using those words - while the students who are merely talking to each other about personal issues will have their conversations snooped on by the school administration.

      I mean, who do you really think is going to be caught by this concern filter? Albert, a perfectly normal gay student who is just sending his best friend an e-mail about being afraid of telling his parents that he's gay, or Billy the bully, whose goal is to not come to the attention of the school administration, and thus probably has some sort of knowledge about the concern filter and will use words like "ghey" or "ponce" or some school slang you've never even heard in his email?

      And that doesn't even consider the fact that there's a plethora of free e-mail providers out there! After a couple of run-ins with the law, Billy the bully's not even going to be sending his evil e-mails from his school account; he'll be logged in to a free Hotmail or Gmail account he set up at the local library. Sure, your system might report these incoming concerning e-mails, but what are you going to do about it? They're pretty much untraceable without a court order.

      Basically, your school is wasting their time and money for what amounts to a false sense of security.

    19. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Fancia · · Score: 2

      I don't think you thought that part through well enough. Preventing discrimination and harassment against students because of their sexual orientation is a reasonable objective, especially given how much "gay" has become schoolyard slang. But you really haven't given enough thought to the consequences of forwarding e-mails containing those words to staff. Imagine that a student is trying to talk to another student, in private, about their own sexual orientation. By forwarding the e-mail that way, you've forcibly outed this student who thought they were having a private conversation. They probably wouldn't want staff to know about that, and it could conceivably even result in certain conservative staff members discriminating against students.

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    20. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by wolvesofthenight · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the notes!

      But I have a very different prospective. The school I went to, Los Alamos High School, got involved in the internet in the early 90s (or late 80s? - before I was there). Not only did they have student email, but they it was on a student run server. And a few trusted students had the root password - and got a very good education by running the system. The computing instructor supervised the system. As the web caught the system grew (and was upgraded from an old Sun to an O200). By the late 90s it did email, web, and file sharing for the entire school.

      They did not attempt to micro-manage what the students did. There was an acceptable use policy (typical illegal use, harassment, hardware theft, and the like). Some students had their accounts revoked for violating it. But there was no mas surveillance.

      The system worked well until the teacher supervising it retired. By that time the internet was a big deal, and the upper administration wanted nothing to do with a server that they could not directly control. So they pulled the plug. From what I hear, the following students were worse off for it. I graduated well before then, so I don't really know. And I admit that legal issues today might necessitate changes in the system, but they could have kept something like it running.

      The point is that you can run student email without Orwellian over site of what the students do. I find it sad that people feel the need for this level of control over what students do. And I think that it will ultimately be harmful, much in the same way as helicopter parenting.

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    21. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Does the message tell what that content is?
      As in, saying "The word 'tit' in line 17", or highlighting it, or something?

      'Cause if I wrote an even moderately long message, and halfway down I mistakenly hit 't' right before typing 'it', I will not want to have to comb through the entire message to find it.

    22. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by CrazyDuke · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, some of us do realize that you are stuck in between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, you will get criticized for overbearing censorship. And on the other, when someone's precious little angel shows their true colors, they would rather blame you guys and imply that it is you that are not doing their jobs to protect their precious sainthood bound prodigy.

      Basically, they shovel off the blame for their kids imperfections on you so they don't have to feel responsible for any of it: It's your fault they failed. It's your fault they will never make more than minimum wage. It's your fault they will be on welfare the rest of their lives. They deserve better and they did not get it not because of the choices they made, but yours. The mentality of selfish entitlement, victim-hood, and the near complete externalization of blame it engenders is all to common and extremely toxic.

      In short, you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

      If you will divulge my jaunt into the bigger picture for a moment: My personal ideals prefer realistic, informed decision making over irrational fear of social rejection. But, that is because I prefer reason for making such decisions. Experience tells me that the majority of the population just wants to know if it will make them feel good in the short term, adult or child. Consequences tend not to show up until someone needs to rationalize the choice they have already made. I can kind of understand the idea of limiting the availability to reduce the temptation. Unfortunately, negative feedback is still feedback, and will remind people of it, thus making it a topic of note in their minds. And, it is also worth noting that strongly negative feedback tends to promote abnormal, maladaptive behavior in general, especially in regards to human development.

      I wish I could help you out. But, I cannot think of any sane way to handle this. The general direction stinks of politics and marketing. I.E: Use the populations' tendency towards predictable, irrational decision making as a boon instead of a bane.

      Oh, and be careful, you would not be the first guy to take it in the chops for someone higher up because you spoke out of line. Thank you for treating us like reasonable adults. That is ... extremely rare.

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      Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.
    23. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Words are only a means of conveying ideas and blocking some fixed set of words is a linguistic Maginot Line, one your students have already gone around. They have already learned to text- and tweetspeak. Letter substitution and omission are trivial. I don't know how the filter works, but simply dropping the first letter or concatenating words might be sufficient (e.g. uraomo). Then you would need a non-dictionary word filter too, but that still has problems The long lists of words can be reduced to a very small list of words that would not be banned -- junk, girl bits boy bits, toy, digit, juice, front, rear, rump carpet, pole, etc.

      It seems a more reasonable approach would be to teach students (crazy idea -- teach students) what is expected in terms of behavior and how they communicate and to teach them how to make an appropriate complaint.

    24. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are "gay" and "lesbian" in the "concern words filter" ?
      Are you concerned if students are homosexual?

    25. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I felt a prick on my neck when I read your response. I'll admit, it wasn't quite like when the preacher taught us about heaven and hell, nor was it like when I chose a 10mm screw to hold my TV on my wall when it should of been a 20mm screw.

      There was a student who wanted to report rape, but used e-mail because she was too embarrassed to discuss in person.

      Anyway, doesn't take 8 months to see how these are ordinary words? I'm curious, do you have any students who's name is Dick?

    26. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because there was consensus to do something idiotic doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.

    27. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by fatphil · · Score: 1

      If you're just doing your job, then you need to tell your superiors that your job is (a) impossible and (b) immoral. That, and if they think they can get someone else to do the job, anyone who claims that the job is possible is talking bollocks. Make sure you use those exact words.

      I've been in a very similar situation myself. I quit my job in the middle of the meeting where our team's next task was being explained to us.

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    28. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by SPrintF · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Um. Dude. Paragraphs.

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    29. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by lnxnomad · · Score: 1

      You know, life is filled with uncertainty and uncomfortable situations, but through all that, we manage to grow up to a point where we *CAN* use the objectionable words in any context that we see fit. I would respect your school system much more if there was no filtering, but instead a very low key meaningful way to forward an email to a guidance counselor or parent to say hey, this one bothers me a lot, can you help. The system is too stupid to sensor effectively, it will be laughed at by the students, you will be laughed at for thinking it works. Instead, if your policy was, "say whatever you like within the boundaries of the constitution and laws, be considerate, don't say anything you wouldn't want someone else to say to you, and if you or your email is reported as inappropriate by another student or staff here are the possible consequences...." Perhaps, just perhaps, you would have the respect of both parents and students and dare I say, maybe much less abuse. Think about it.

    30. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by nccstech · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your feedback. Like I said, public education is a big ship with a little rudder. It takes time and cooperation to makes changes, which can be a good thing to prevent rash decisions, but can also be a challenge. This is a work in progress and I appreciate the input.

    31. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is another suggestion for your lovely school:

      Make the children wear straightjackets so they cannot hit each other.

    32. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by WhiteSpade · · Score: 1

      If I may make a suggestion: why block perfectly valid words like clitoris, cunnilingus, vagina, penis, anus, anal, fellatio, ejaculate, etc? I assume you do teach sex-ed at your school. Will kids taking these classes not be allowed to discuss these topics via email? Not to mention the sheer amount of well respected literature which includes these terms (and many other listed above)

      In my opinion, filtering using a word list is a bad way to go to begin with. Instead, teach the kids to use proper judgment and good taste; that will be far more effective than any word list. However, if using a word list is a foregone conclusion, then I think blocking the proper and technical terms of genitalia is a huge mistake. It sends a message that our sexuality and our genitalia are something to be ashamed of and basically says that the school district's view on sexuality is negative. This is hardly the lesson kids should be learning. People need to be comfortable with their bodies and in control, not told it is a taboo and any discussion of it will be censored.

      I wish your district the best of luck with this roll out. I used to work in K-12 IT, so I know just how insane and irrational "protective" parents can be.

      ---Alex

    33. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are no inappropriate words or thoughts or ideas. But there are inappropriate actions.

    34. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your contributions to the conversation. However, I do have one question I would like to see answered.

      As an educator, what do you think the students gain from being told they cannot write certain words, as opposed to being educated how and when it is appropriate to use those words?

      In other words, as an educator, why do you feel it is better to teach students that some words should be ignored, rather then teaching them about the nature of those words? Do you think your current filtering methods provide students with some skill or mindest that will better benefit them in the long run?

    35. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make some good points, and I can see how something like this (especially when being decided by committee) could end up needing a lot of revision over time. It's hard to get something like this right, and you're never really going to be able to stop people from communicating vulgar ideas... we're really good at it after all.

      I have some suggestions for words that should be brought up for review, as they have a frequently used innocuous meaning, or are frequently used in discussions at a high school level. I would suggest maybe moving some of these to the "concern" list, so they can be judged in context?

      Screw - The thing you use to attach two pieces of wood. Likely to come up in any shop class, engineering elective, etc.
      Hell - Dante's Inferno discusses this subject in depth, as would any philosophy or advanced English class.
      Dike - This is a kind of levee used to prevent flooding. Kind of obscure, but if someone tries to write a paper about the Netherlands they may find the inability to use this word frustrating.
      Prick - Can also be the thing a needle does.
      Queer - Can also mean "strange". Often used in this context in writing from the early 1900's, so it would come up in a lot of english class stuff.

      Actually, why not just add ALL of the words to the concern list? If someone is including language like "motherfucker" and "gangrape" in a school paper, they obviously need to be contacted and talked with, not just blocked...

    36. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >should of

      Here's an idea, Eric -- filter out bad grammar as well. I'd be in favor of this. Then your school's students will be better off than your typical Slashdot-visiting retard by the time they graduate.

    37. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Charlotte · · Score: 1

      The point is: Why would you filter at all? Children don't have a school-issued filter on their mouths, ears, pens, etc. This is the perfect example of what's wrong with the United States at this time. State-enforced external morals with no rationale is loathsome. I believe your founders thought the same, which is why they had this thing called the First Amendment.

    38. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by ParryHotter · · Score: 1

      Wow, that was a very large paragraph.... Do you have a style manual/guide in your school? That will help a lot more than a bad word list.

    39. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by nccstech · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the question. A couple of comments... First, personally I believe it is better to teach proper use of technology than to ban words/technology/etc. For example, our schools currently ban student use of personal technology devices such as personal cell phones, laptops, iPads, and such. However, we have been running Bring Your Own Technology pilots since last year to change this so that students can use the technology they already have and are familiar with. We would rather teach responsible use of technology than simply ban it. Banning the technology passes up a teachable opportunity for us to help students grow into informed digital citizens. The same is true for email. We just launched student email in January so this is brand new. We are starting out cautious and will continue to develop the appropriate policies. As mentioned in an earlier comment, we have integrated technology ethics/safety/responsibility into our curriculum, and will continue to develop that. Secondly though, we may end up with different policies depending on age. As a school we provide email accounts to all our students from elementary through high school. Appropriate guidelines may end up being different for a 6 year old than an 18 year old.

    40. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      There is only one kind of censorship. Censorship is an abuse of power. There either is censorship, or there isn't. "Parental filter", "NSFW", "We are just blocking the bad stuff", nothing but lies. It's Censorship.

      Censorship is probably one of the worst forms of violence. And yes, it is a form of violence. Suppressing speech is as violent as suppressing any other personal freedoms.

      It's horrible that a school does this kind of shit to children (and yes, I know most of them do it). Who defines that saying "arse" or "fag" or whatever is bad? Our Christian/Muslim overlords? The same kind of crazy idiots that have no contact with reality and believe that there is a bearded guy in the sky?

      We are really allowing people with such serious hallucinations such as religion decide what our kids can and can't do?

      Fuck you, fuck your censorship, and fuck the indoctrination system you have created and masked as education.

      Or, as someone way wiser than all of us put it ... Hey, Teacher, Leave them kids alone!

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    41. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 2

      Flag for review? You mean that just because they are kids they have no right to privacy? and teachers are entitled to read their personal communication, and determine what they can and can't say?

      Why is it that always "protect the kids" turns into "human rights don't apply to kids"?

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    42. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by gausterm · · Score: 1

      Your list is missing "bomb". Kind of a glaring omission for this sort of a thing, no?

    43. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was new paragraphs also considered objectionable?

    44. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 2

      Isn't it beautiful how everybody is involved in the process, except the actual fucking kids?

      Ethics are socially constructed. Only then rules will mean something to a member of a society.

      If the rules are created and imposed by someone else, they are just religious morals. By doing this, you are preventing kids from actually creating their own set of ethics, and preventing them from actually feeling those rules as their own. They just see it as yet another stupid restriction put on by their omnipotent overlords, and they'll do everything they can to break those rules as soon as you look the other way.

      By preventing kids from the unspeakable horror of using a word that adults with imaginary friends in the sky consider "dirty" you are stripping those kids from the one chance in life they have to become Ethical subjects instead of just obedient students.

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    45. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Anyway, we made the actual list of "bad words" by working off several other lists provided to us from other schools and organizations that have been doing this themselves for years. We combined their lists and edited it down to what you see.

      So, what you are basically saying is "Everyone else is doing it!", right? I don't really want to sound like a jackass here, but I think this is a good opportunity to take mom's advice about jumping off bridges to heart.

      Personally, I have never understood the whole "That word is inappropriate." mantra. Who defines what is inappropriate, and under what criteria? Likewise for "Inappropriate behavior."

      Are there specifically written down guidelines, or is it simply left up to individual faculty and school administrators to decide? If the former, can students and parents be given certified copies to enforce compliance, and if the latter, what is to stop several teachers from instituting mutually exclusive definitions of "Inappropriate"?

      Simply blanketbombing "Naughty words" (who defines them as naughty? Is there any arbitration process involved, or is it purely authoritarian?) because certain people "Dont like them" is madness. Guess what, I dont like asparagus. That doesnt give me the right to forbid people eating it in my presence. similar should be true for "naughty" words.

    46. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The list's hilarious, you, sir, have made my day. My favorite picks: gay, lesbian, sex, beer, hurt, prick, damn, pube, hell, penis, fatass.

      Let's keep crippling our ability to communicate. Free speech is for losers.

    47. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by clarkcox3 · · Score: 1

      So what happens if these "bad" words come up in the context of a biology class, for instance? I see many body-part names in that list, are students going to have to use stupid, childish euphemisms in their place?

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    48. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by richlv · · Score: 1

      i know, i know. slashdot users could figure out some very, very rude meaning for word 'eric'. and use it a lot. would it end up on your list ? :)

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    49. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the objections here aren't to the censorship itself, but to a few particular aspects of it:

      1) Lack of non-censored alternatives.

      When you compare this to the situation in China, it's not really a good comparison. In China, all Internet access is monitored. But in the situation of school-provided email accounts, it would be very easy for students to create their own private email account on gmail or whatever provider they want. Censoring all email sent by students isn't a proposal that's on the table here; only the school-provided account is censored.

      The censorship of school-issued email accounts is acceptable since it only applies in the context of the school setting, and non-school-provided, uncensored email accounts are readily available to students.

      The division between school and non-school contexts is how the tension between censorship and free speech is normally handled with relation to student swearing. At most schools, a student who uses the F-word in class can usually expect to get detention / suspension, or at least a warning to clean up his language at school. But if a student uses the F-word at home, that's a matter between him and his parents. If a student uses the F-word with a group of friends, that's a matter of what's acceptable to the group. (And what's acceptable to whoever's in charge of the place where they are if they're overheard, for example, they might get kicked out of a mall if other shoppers complain to the mall cops, or they might get yelled at, grounded, or have the gathering broken up if they're at home and a parent overhears and objects.)

      Likewise, as far as the school is concerned, students are free to cuss all they want in their emails if they use a non-school-issued email account, computer and Internet connection, they're not at school or a school event when they do it, and the recipient isn't a teacher or other school employee.

      2) Lack of awareness of the censorship.

      The example of gay/lesbian students accidentally "coming out" to school officials was raised. Situations like that can happen only when it's not be clear to the students that everything they do with these accounts is in the context of the school setting. When you're physically at school, even the dimmest bulbs in the student body realize that you need to watch yourself, there may be teachers about. Physical cues of privacy can be misleading when you're on the Internet; you may be home alone -- a very private setting -- but if you're using one of these accounts, your communications still aren't actually private.

      This is easy enough to fix. There should be a warning sent out to all these accounts -- on activating a new account and at the beginning of every grading period and the summer break, let us say -- that says something like this:

      "This email account is considered school property, and therefore, teachers and administrators may monitor it in various ways. If you wish to discuss a private matter that you do not want to share with school officials, do not use this account, and do not send to the recipient's school-provided account."

      3) Disproportionate response to false positives.

      Anyone who knows anything about automated filters will tell you they are unreliable. So a "zero-tolerance policy" along the lines of "if you trip the bad-word list, we'll ban your account/suspend/expel you" is going to punish a lot of innocent students and cripple a lot of legitimate uses of these accounts.

      Instead, cases flagged by the word list should be sent to school officials for manual review, and those officials should be free to use their common sense to decide the appropriate response. For example, sex-ed class materials or a research paper on the history of gun control may trigger the filter and reach the censor's desk, but they shouldn't result in any disciplinary action being taken against the student.

      4) Ease of creating false negatives.

      People have noted that it's easy to get around the list; just look at it and use an alt

    50. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by assassinator42 · · Score: 1

      Google is (apparently schools don't have to pay).
      I know my former school is now using Docs to let students easily collaborate with each other and give their teachers easy access for grading.

    51. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by moortak · · Score: 1

      No I find the idea objectionable altogether, but I understand that their hands are tied by the law. Given the choice of vile censorship that relies on a strict computer review and one where a human can apply a minimal sanity check, I'll take the harm reduction measure. Think of it like a needle exchange program. Yeah heroin is bad and heroin with a dirty needle is worse.

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    52. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn right..fucking little queers.

    53. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A dike is a retaining wall for holding back water. A dyke is a lesbian.

      Also censoring actual biological terms is idiotic in any sense. Do you burn books too?

    54. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by tftp · · Score: 1

      Your current system is, in itself, threatening and/or harassing, without providing any benefit at all. The bullies will quickly figure out which words are on your concern list, and stop using those words

      Or quite the opposite, they will use those words to forward their messages to the administration. For example, "Hey, do you remember what happened to the knife that you used to cut up that gay faggot three days ago?"

      If the attack indeed happened, the school will forward this email to the police, and the recipient of this hit piece will have a lot of explaining to do, regardless of whether he was involved or not. A perfect swatting at zero risk to the perp who uses a throwaway email account.

    55. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is understandable that you want to keep the conversations on a level which is acceptable by the majority of people and prevent students from insulting each other, be it by accident or purpose. However, what bothers me it that you are trying to use some kind of automatic system which does this. And not only that, it is a very dumb system which takes words out of context ant decides that they are "bad". As a father of three I work that these kind of measures will start us believing that censoring has any kind of positive effect and if it does not work it is because we are not censoring enough. It will teach children that is the emails (in this case) are allowed, then the content is ok.

      I think we all realize that it is quite easy to write something very offensive using only "accepted" words but that does not make it any more acceptable that if I used every known "bad" word. In the end what we need to understand is that the word themselves are not bad (as others have pointed out), but what we try to convey with them. Instead of censoring we need to make it clear what is acceptable by open discussions and invite children to share with teachers and parents if they get involved in conversations or get content which they think hurts them.

      In the end the intention is good, we want our children (and adults for that matter) to respect each other and use language and intentions that most of us finds acceptable, but censoring is wrong and banning words out of context is just stupid.

    56. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      I would respect your school system much more if there was no filtering,

      Sadly, filtering is required by US federal and Ohio state laws. Our wise rulers clearly saw that if students encountered the sort of things they discuss in the boys' locker room online, all hell would break loose.

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    57. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, with 'ritin like that no wunder johnny (oops! That's a baad word!) ain't gonna be able to rite his book report or essay! Some

    58. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's an educator. He's not required to know how to use those things.

    59. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Interesting. The idea of tiered e-mail settings on age is definitely one I have not considered. I'll have to think about that.

      At the various meetings and discussions your school district has had on this topic, did you happen to hear any of the primary decision makers voice what they thought the students might be gaining from having their e-mails filtered? As opposed to some other set up?

      I guess what I am getting at is, what good does anyone think this particular filtering system does for the students?

    60. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps he didn't expect slashdot to default to deleting all of the new-lines - having to enter <br> everytime you want a new-line is a bit daft really.

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    61. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Nyder · · Score: 1

      Censoring is wrong. plain and simple.

      You aren't teaching kids anything here, 'cept that adults & authority is a bunch of hypocrites.

      For Example, you didn't bother using paragraphs in your post, and yet here you are in charge of making lists of words that are being censored. What does that show kids?

      Also, you censor words that are used in every day life and mainly in schools. Dick? Vagina? How the hell is someone supposed to write anything that has to do with human biology or the reproduction system? Or do they use words now like tallywacker for dick and, um, cooch? err, pooky? Kitty? What you using for vagina?

      What are you teaching the kids here anyways? That some things don't deserve being called by proper names, even when all of use have one or the other?

      How about this. You dont' censor any words, and if you get kids that like to use them inappropriately, you educate them the correct way to use those words. You know, do your fucking job, instead of having a computer do it.

      Seriously dude, I am so glad I don't have kids thanks to people like you, who think you are doing good, but are doing some of the worse possible harm to children that you could do short of actually touching them. God, there is so much wrong with what you are doing it's pitiful, but whatever. If your too stupid to understand, then nothing i'm going to say will change that.

         

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    62. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most important question: What is the list actually used for? Is it used to allow for certain email accounts to be created or not or is it actually used to filter emails themselves?

    63. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The list seemed a little incomplete. Maybe you should add these too:

      anil anis harse azz asess ahole aholes azzkissr azzwipe balzac basterd beasty beotch btch btchs btchn bj bjs boehner bachmann blsht butterface buttercuff buttercuffer bhole bplug ojerk clint ck cks cksk ckskr ckskn come coming tongue slit slit lick slit licker dam richard dutch toy dpsht dbag dumazz ezra (bonus points for the etymology of ezra for faggot)

      Oddly, "rimming" is not on the list

      Heck (not banned?) , a simple rot13 applied to a message will circumvent the filter

      You get the idea. With a list, students will have motivation to use the werds evn if jus to cuff wid da skool. If you look at the list you can imagine some of the things that are off limits to discuss -- The Golden Ass, the only complete Latin novel (it's been translated to English folks), simple machines (e.g. the screw), The Turn of the Screw, The Rape on Nanking, The Rape of the Sabine Women, The Rape of Leda, The Rape of the Lock, homo sapiens, homo erectus, king phillip came over for good sex, dykes to watch out for, gay pride, risk of std associated with fellatio.

      On the positive side, such lists help students learn all the "naughty" words and may boost interest in foreign languages (hmm, "schmekel" or "putz" how do I know which is *just* right for the occasion? How many way can I use "puta"?)

    64. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can eat shit you worthless pig fucking double digit IQ cunt.

    65. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by wolvesofthenight · · Score: 1

      I appreciate the difficulty in running a school system. With all the complicated laws plus fear of lawsuits I would hesitate to try working for one.

      I think that the big problem with the U.S. schools is that too many people look to the federal government to solve problems instead of their local school board. The result being an unwieldily mired in rules and crowned with the Leave The Children Behind Act.

      It would be much better if people would concern themselves primarily with their own school district. When someone has a problem with how schools are run they should take it up with their school. Not only would they then be faced with exactly what the school is dealing with, but they would also have a far better chance of improving things. I think that community oversight of local schools combined with fewer high level rules would improve the quality of most schools. Yes, a few would fail, but that will always be the case.

      Anyway, I don't see /. as being anywhere near the height of intelligent discussion, but I hope that some of the comments here help you to improve your system.

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    66. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      Their hands aren't tied. It used to be different, it got to this point precisely because people put up with it, nobody is willing to risk anything, and they'll accept what their superiors tell them like sheep.

      The difference between a worker and a professional is that a professional doesn't follow orders blindly, his profession and ethics come first, regardless of what the Ministry of Truth or the fucking pope tells him.

      It's because nobody says anything, and just goes with "my hands are tied" and complies that nothing ever changes, and the whole world is going down the drain of censorship, power abuse and corporate control over everything.

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    67. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      However as a school providing email to children, the consensus of our community to to provide some level of filtering.

      Filtering is .. at best .. problematic and ineffective. At worst it creates more problems than it solves. At best, it is consensus that doesn't work, and at worst it exemplifies the problems with differing values of parents and educators. I'm reminded that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Good intentions is not good enough.

      I too work in a school district, and I am in IT, and I would not support our district giving email addresses to students for any reason, let alone trying to manage a "censor" list of banned words .The problems are too great to overcome, and one size fits all solution never works. Yeah, it is all well and good for students to have email, and use it with school, however that is best for PARENTS to decide for their kids, and how to implement it for their families. I'd simply give them a list of dozen free email websites that they can use to sign up their kids for school use.

      Lastly, as many people have pointed out here in this thread, the list, no matter how complete it is, will always have dual purposed words in it. The problem with this is language is context based and because it is context based, context matters on defining words. By removing context from the equation, you're left with an ever increasing list of words, as language evolves to route around the problems.

      I hope that your district figures out that banned lists of words will either be incomplete, or too restrictive, and there is NO in between gray area.

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    68. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Newsflash*

      The students don't need your fscking school-provided email account - they all have smartphones with facilities to text each other, tweet, and communicate via Facebook. If they really want an email account, they'll just create on on gmail, hotmail, yahoo mail, ...

    69. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >We developed the student email guidelines through meeting, surveys, and discussions with teachers, administrators, guidance counselors, students, parents, community members, and our board of education.

      I can't believe this.
      No one in these groups noticed that:
      - screw is a piece of hardware
      - homo is the word for bipedal primates, such as humans
      - cum is commonly used in the common expression "summa cum laude"
      - cock, pussy and bitch are animals
      - hell is a common word religious and other historic texts
      - sex is used in sentences "It is illegal to discriminate people because of their sex, religion or ethnicity."
      - drunk is synonymous to drank

      The list appears completely random to me.

      And isn't discrimination because of sexual orientation illegal? So how can you have words like "gay" or "lesbian" in there?

      But what bothers me most: Students in puberty should be able to communicat with people of the same age they trust about their first ejaculation, masturbation practices and similar stuff without having a copy of the conversion forwarded to some e-mail address belonging to some adult stranger who just as well might be a perv.

      BTW: What is your schools policy on filtering paper letters, face to face talk and telephone calls?

      Actions like yours would be totally out of the question in Germany.
      I can't believe that you call your country "The land of the free" while Orwellian practices seem to be implemented all over the place.

      You are trying to prevent your students to have ownlife and sexcrime and detect any form of crimethink by setting up a system of thinkpol.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Newspeak_words

      Ignorance is Strenth!

    70. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by sildur · · Score: 0

      I would suggest you to disable the word filter. Not only because it's going to give you a lot of false positives (Moby Dick comes to my mind), but because you're dealing with young people which are rebel by nature, have a lot of time and love to game the system. So, in the end, you'll be fighting a lost battle.

      A bad words lists is more than an invitation, it's an order to play with the system and invent new words you'll have to add to the list.

    71. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgive him; he went to a school that censored that word.

    72. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please explain why "gay" and "lesbian" are on the concern list.

    73. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you are just an IT guy doing what you are told, but you are still responsible for your actions, and in this case your actions have a negative impact on the children in your school district.

      You say that like it's unusual. Having worked for a K-12 system I can tell you that the vast majority of the staff (teachers included) are more interested in personal power politics within the system, and the children and their education are, at best, a second thought. I was thoroughly disgusted with the entire thing and I have absolutely zero respect for the school system due to it. If I ever decide to have kids they will be home-schooled, at least then I know someone who gives a damn whether they learn anything or not will be responsible for their education.

      Also, I'd rather become homeless than work for a K-12 system ever again. There's no way to fix that corruption beyond firing everyone involved and starting over. While not from Georgia, I was completely unsurprised about the recent cheating scandal in Atlanta schools. From my experiences that kind of stuff is the norm, not the exception. Unfortunately most of it's just simply neglect, so whistle blowing doesn't help as nothing actually illegal's going on. Plus the teachers unions will fight tooth and nail to prevent anything being changed.

    74. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by RogerWilco · · Score: 1

      I'm sad you decided you needed to post that as an Anonymous Coward.

      I think a system where bullies can be brought to the attention of the staff are a much better idea than this blanket snooping.
      I can see students being a lot more comfortable if they can pick which staff member to trust, instead of the system listening in on all their conversations and forwarding parts to unknown staff members. Especially because people who end up with the task of going though such messages would often be those with an axe to grind or small minded people who often get assigned such menial tasks.

      If I look back at my school years, I'm not even sure if I would have trusted any of the staff at my primary school. I grew up in a different country for the first 8 years of my life, and I met a lot of misunderstanding when I went back home.

      In general this seems to be an attempt to solve with technology what is essentially a sociological problem. If technology could solve these things, we would not have spam.

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    75. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by RogerWilco · · Score: 1

      Thanks for making that post, although it's a little hard to read.

      Are you aware that one of the reasons kids like to use these "bad words" is because of the reaction they get from adults? The more you crack down on it, the more enticing it becomes to try and use them. You also don't learn them when it is and when it isn't appropriate to use them.

      Trying to filter these words out is like a challenge to the students to use those words without the filter catching them. As soon as they figure out the filter exists, they'll try to figure out what's on the list. I assume that with enough time on their hands, trial-and-error will get them there. That list will then be known to most students very quickly.

      Once they know how to work around the filter, then what have you gained?

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    76. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly.

      I wonder if they think the kids will be dumb enough to use their school email accounts for anything but assignments?

      With just about everyone having a cell phone, the real conversations will be uncensored and unreadable by the school. Great way to spend tax dollars.

    77. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the consensus of our community to to provide some level of filtering.

      Stop right here. This means that the community just doesn't understand the implications of censorship. What do they think this will lead to? Make anyone who are for this suggestion actually verbalize, nay, write down, what the supposed benefits are. Then make them read the text back to themselves. Do they actually believe it will make children... speak "better"? What? And that this will be a complement to education? What what?

      (Also, "consensus of our community" sounds like what would be said if it was just a hunch of somebody, or a small group, who won't bother to actually ask the community about input. I cannot in my wildest dreams believe this statement is true, but maybe it's a cultural thing.)

      The fact that it is a completely toothless system (just make a tiny variation of the word with special characters or whatever) should be reason enough to throw it out. It is an idea dead from the planning board to have a technical system to change the way people expresses themselves. That comes through learning.

      It is also an instrument blunt beyond belief, as has been pointed out several times among the comments.

      It's a lazy idea, and it's a non-functioning idea. It is just stupid. It is a waste of everyone's time and money. I'm not directing this (as much) on the ones who implemented the system, but on the committee or whatever that let this idea propagate one inch.

    78. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the spellchecker... and some of the horrid organization making sentences into nonsense....

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    79. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      So you are training your children to accept censorship and to run to authority figures whenever they need to discuss certain topics? If your school district were in a country like China or Myanmar or America, this policy might make sense.

      There - fixed that for you!

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    80. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paragraph marks are on the list...

    81. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Questions:

      What is the purpose of the list? How will it be used?

      Does the list flag all content (student essays, assignments by teachers, inter-student emails, chat, mass emails, etc.)? Does it block that content?

      Who sees that the content was flagged or blocked? What is the process? Does it go to the teacher, the parents, the administrators, the sysadmins?

      Can a teacher turn off the list? For example, if a HS senior is writing about rape, can the teacher turn it off? Do you think that it is right that the school system can tell a student / teacher / etc. that they can't write about that?

      Have you reviewed the first amendment rights of students and how the Google Docs can / may / will impede those rights? Are you prepared for the potential legal challenges? See, for example, this website. You might want to ask yourself about the use of profanity as freedom of expression.

    82. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by neminem · · Score: 1

      To be fair, he probably didn't use paragraphs because, well, he *did* use paragraphs, he just didn't have the right text setting enabled. I know, as I've done that accidentally myself a time or two. Slashdot doesn't exactly make that obvious. (Though, yes, he could've hit preview first. I could have, too, but sometimes you just think you got it right.)

      I won't argue in general that censorship is silly, but really... if your system doesn't make the clbuttic mistake, I'd be happy enough for that, given the myriad examples of systems that have. Small steps and all that.

    83. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the better policy would be to have all student e-mails available to a trusted counselor or administrator. Due to the potential mass of e-mail, "bad" or "concern" words would be flagged. Have it very clear in the policy that, as part of using the school-provided e-mail system, there is no expectation of privacy. It may sound harsh to the privacy advocates, but you're not taking away the current choices that kids have, only adding a new, albeit restrictive, one. If students want to discuss something privately, there's plenty of other e-mail providers, text messaging, note passing, whispering, etc available to them.
      The kids can say whatever they want via third-party e-mail, but using the school's system has certain restrictions. It's not designed to be a general purpose e-mail system anyway, hence the intra-district aspect.

    84. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by wendyg · · Score: 1

      Just curious: does "all stakeholders" include the kids themselves? Since the kids are the ones who bear the brunt of both the filtering *and* whatever harassment/bullying is dished out, I'd have thought they'd have views worth taking into consideration. Probably the youngest kids would struggle to articulate that, but even a kid of 10 is going to have some comprehension of the issues and perhaps quite strong opinions.

      wg

    85. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um. Dude. Paragraphs.

      Seconded.
      GP needs to work on his English I guess. Maybe he just spent too much time thinking up all the possible variations on fuck, whilst he was in his English classes.

    86. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by snadrus · · Score: 1

      From this language all over To Kill A Mockingbird to the theme of my high school (Mark Twain HS), this list is unacceptable. Nowadays my companies' annual required class from the LGBT community would even be disallowed by this list. Schools need to tackle issues that (if not otherwise taught about) could be problematic not-to-know-about when adults. This list is all items our society empowers to the point of embarrassment when directly addressed. Not using them is not enough. As my history teacher always said "We learn about injustices so we're not doomed to repeat them".

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    87. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technical solution to a social problem - won't work.

      It'll become a game for students to see how they can bypass the filter. Let's see...

      * does it filter substrings? no? add a leading or trailing letter: Dear Susie, I almost sprayed my shorts with gcum reading about you stroking your pussyw last night.
      * does it filter superstrings? no? split words: Dear Susie, I almost sprayed my shorts with cu m reading about you stroking your pu ssy last night.
      * does it filter across punctuation? no? Dear Susie, I almost sprayed my shorts with c. Um reading about you stroking your puss. Y last night.
      * how about rearranging the internal letters and let the brain figure it out: Daer Susie, I amlost srpayed my srhots wtih cmu raeding abuot you srtoking yuor psusy lsat ngiht (extreme example - only really needs a few words which a nonsense filter won't catch unless you want to proof-read every spelling mistake as well).
      * how about substitution of words for body parts: Dear Susie, I almost sprayed my shorts with sauce reading about you stroking your clam[x] last night.
      * if the last one looks too unreal just wait until French becomes curiously popular in school. Je bande pour toi. Baise ma biroute.

      Never underestimate the collective intelligence of 9th grade students (even 'merkin ones ;) - they leave the standard 1000 monkeys for dust (and the school faculty too).

      [x] ps, you've missed clam, snatch, beaver, slit, hole, woody, chubby, pole, shaft, balls (I know why - not the point - see comment about 9th grade students above).

    88. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by pabras · · Score: 1
      First I want to congratulate you on having the ^%$# to participate in this discussion. Secondly I want to congratulate you for showing the world the reason why America has the stupidest students in the world. They teachers are worse.Do you really think the students have no other way of communicating. They all have BB and smart-phones, and probably a Gmail account.

      Thirdly, the bad word list is a list of words that are bad at this point in time, in you perspective. Gay and Lesbian bad???? Inappropriate. How do you want it discussed ("Same Mutton" as used in 18th century English slang).

      And how about questions about other languages. I've seen some nice examples with programs like WOW.

      (btw getting around these filters is very easy, just put same spaces in the words and they are accepted (e.g. Les-bian)

    89. Re:I am the author of the spreadsheet in question by CtownNighrider · · Score: 1

      So you know that it won't work but have to avoid feeling powerless to threat of freedom of expression of children? As a high school senior I'm offended. First of all kids will just use private email, or facebook, or something else to do everything you're trying to prevent. Also they will get around the filter like it's nothing, you wasted taxpayer money making this list, why don't you stop now and get rid of it. Then fight the state law on grounds of unconstitutionality if the issue gets pressed. That would set a good example for the students in your school district, fight for the preservation of rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

  35. commenting on the lists is missing the story by cellocgw · · Score: 1

    The real story here is: never ever EVER farm your software tools out to "the cloud" . It's URL filtering all over again.
    Feel free to reply with your remote-control-of-your-car analogies :-)

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  36. Wisdom of Blocking "Rape"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    While I think the whole thing is ignorant, it's not at all surprising. This is how high school administrators and school boards think. "If we can just block out all the bad stuff, it won't happen on campus, and it's not our problem." See no evil, hear no evil, file no lengthy reports.

    Still, one thing about the list really bothers me--by blocking the word "rape," they are making it impossible for students who are rape victims to discuss their attack through email. I know from experience that it can be much easier to share things through email than in person, so it's not hard to fathom a rape victim finally deciding to come forward, and wishing to email a favorite teacher or her guidance counselor--and that email disappearing into the tubes forever. Not good.

  37. Time for A Good Old Fashioned School Lawsuit by LifesABeach · · Score: 0

    What Tea Party Eisenstein said buying m$ anything was cheaper than LibreOffice? I can only imagine the conversation Miss Scott had with his staff:

    Miss Scott: anybody ever been to school?
    Scribe working feverishly in the back: yes, once.
    Miss Scott: tell m$ that you haven't bought a PC in 4 years. m$ will come into your trailer an gut your living room and put in all their products so you can make an informed choice.
    Scribe confussed in the back: But I've been out of work for over 3 years?!
    Miss Scott: Then you make the best decision you can make.

    "Mine!" -- Tea Party slogan

  38. Words and their power by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 2

    Related and always relevant: the famous Lenny Bruce "Nigger routine".

  39. Google is fux....0rd now by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

    As someone that worked for a company that produced an IPS that devolved into a content filter system, Google has been the thorn in the side of every company competing for the K12 market. Because they have become so strong in the education document system, and everything is allowed over https (searches, youtube, etc...), monitoring traffic for content required ssl MiM attacks. Now they've really fucked themselves into restricting content themselves. It is going to be interesting to watch the gurus at Google (Googlerus?) deal with Johny looking at girls in bikinis and deciding if he is in a school that prohibits it, blocking access to specific streaming videos for schools that don't want Johny listing to "hate music", allowing streaming videos but restricting the amount of bandwidth determined by a directory services policy (Active Directory, Open Directory), and basically every annoying policy one school or another wants to implement. When schools start to insist the Google control panel is integrated in with their Active Directory schemes, then Google will realize just how bad things are going to get. btw. That word list is either an example or it will not work. It doesn't have any of the variations to allow words containing words. ie. ass has [^ass$|^ass\s|\sass\s] so it doesn't block bass or class or asset or...

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  40. Well, it's not as bad as the one my college had by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I tried not to use their email system, but I had an email rejected for using the word "Assignment"

  41. fighting laziness with laziness rarely works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Essentially, all these words are just rude. So, by filtering them, they're trying to get students to be more politely rude. Using these words is just a matter or either being lazy or uneducated, and obviously schools are trying to educate their students. Unfortunately, this is a very poor way to handle the situation.

    Perhaps instead they should have a class in rudeness, and try to build to something that would pass the filter but still be as rude as possible.

    1. Re:fighting laziness with laziness rarely works by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      I think it should help the discourse.

      Blocked: grl, i want 2 eat ur pussy

      Not blocked: Oh, how I long to pleasure your loins using naught but my mouth.

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    2. Re:fighting laziness with laziness rarely works by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Essentially, all these words are just rude.

      I'm sure when young Dick wants to submit an article about cavemen such as homo erectus, or about the time he saw a horny toad while riding on a donkey (ass) he'll be delighted to be told what a rude little boy he is....

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  42. Increase Communication And Collaboration???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We wanted to give students email accounts to help increase communication and collaboration."

    Sir, or Madam, the LAST thing I would do to increase communication or Collaboration is to hand out an Email account. 90% of communication is non verbal. Confining communication to emails is a recipe for LESS communication and collaboration!

    Email cannot convey emotion or the huge range of non verbal transmissions inherent in face to face communication.

    To put it another way; you are crippling your students by doing this.

    http://alistair.cockburn.us/Characterizing+people+as+non-linear%2c+first-order+components+in+software+development

  43. Screw? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1
    They even have "screw" on the list! So how are students to refer to a helically-threaded tapered fastener which is inserted by rotational action? Are they supposed to refer to the thing by using its head type (torx or pozidrive or philips, etc.). This alone would make it challenging to communicate sentences such as:

    "We learned when to use a screw instead of a nail in woodwork class."
    "The shelf fell off because I used the wrong screw."

    The blocked word list also includes perfectly acceptable non-smutty words such as "hell". Without being able to use the common term for Hades, even the most prim and proper Bible-thumping students would get devout messages blocked (not necessarily a bad thing, but stupidity should not be fought with stupidity).

    But students will just code around it with a little creativity. The term fucking cunt would be blocked, but calling someone a copulating vulva would breeze past the filter (and adds a certain panache to the epithet). The religious types will even learn of the many synonyms for hell. It might even improve a typical student's vocabulary to the point that instead of calling someone a motherfucking jerk-off, they would use a term such as oedipal masturbator.

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    1. Re:Screw? by mangu · · Score: 1

      Well, there's that old joke about the schoolgirl who was asked about the differences between a screw, a bolt, and a nail: "I've never been bolted" she answered.

      And how are you supposed to take the wine out of the barrel if you cannot screw a cock into the bung hole?

  44. Re: A possible work-around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FOSS text obfuscation program at http://www.fauxcrypt.org/

  45. This is so stupid by aepervius · · Score: 1

    retard : can't speak of something getting slower , like a wave (the primary meaning is to slow). This is truly retarded.

    screw : can't speak of making furniture, self made stuff, special type of motor , mechanical stuff. Way to go to screw people.

    smut : can't do a critical report on porn.

    scrotum : ha , biology is out too.

    rape : ha , so now the kid can't even report on real crime.

    orgasm orgasms penis : biology folk. Those have a perfect valid usage for kids. When I was 11/12 we had a report to do on mammals.

    homo : can't report on homosapiens, homosexual, HOMO/LUMO (highiest Occupied Molecular Orbita) and so on.

    Hell : wehat the hell , hell is to be censored ? Can't even speak of "heaven and hell" (vangelis) ? or even religion ?

    gonads : ho come on ! biology ! You wanna censor brain>/b> too ?

    ejaculation : this is a normal term for pity sake.

    damn : can be used in a lot of normal litterature too.


    This is beyond retarded. I can understand wanting to censor *some* term, although I think it is a useless job as people will always find work around it until a good AI come up : bon-er b_o_n_e_r, BO*NER, O-B-ner, "The Big B to the ONER" etc.... But much worst is the censoring of utterly innocuous word. Whoever drew that list as example shozuld have his name put on big billboard and publicly ashamed.

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  46. Bullshit by aepervius · · Score: 2

    The law require a filter, it does not pürescribe innocuous word to be filtered. Like "Hell", "damn", "screw", "retard", various biology word , as they are clearly not obscene. The only reason to go that far *above* the requirement is misplaced puritanism.

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  47. I have a question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you a product of the school system in question? I ask because your grammar, spelling and punctuation are atrocious, not to speak of your general composition.

    This is a geek website read by people who:
            1) value precision and see proper writing as an indicator of competence
            2) often do not speak English as their first language and for whom we wish to keep the language clear, communicative and, generally, understandable.

    If you want to help your school's position in this community (which, honestly, I don't see why you would care), please try not to write like a football player.

  48. Did you get these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality', which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.

    What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

    • Linus Torvalds is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
    • Richard M. Stallman, spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
    • Alan Cox is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

    I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

    Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

    As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

    And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo slut!

    Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:

    'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

    Is this why you were touching your penis in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

    We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and co

  49. Why should students use your email system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was wondering why students of your school would use a school supplied email system, when they can make their own Google, AOL, Hotmail or Yahoo accounts. As many as they like. For any purpose they consider.

    I guess the answer is that they can communicate 'officially' with teachers and administration officials. Using these email addresses that are verified, so the other party knows who they are. Otherwise it makes much more sense to have a different email address, because they will lose their old school address once they leave that school.

    And if the email is only used for official purpose, why would they use these words anyways?

    Another thing: I am from Europe (Germany) and I find it really, really strange how the US on the one hand is very much first amendment / free speech like and on the other hand censors such stuff, which is actually totally tame (all bedroom related). There is no hate speech excpept for the n-word.

    This whole thing looks like the most pathetic thing in the world set up by prudes that don't have the faintest idea on how either humans or email technology works.

  50. censoring what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this garbage? If arguing over a list of words to censor from student postings is another priority in a school system, then it's no wonder that k-12 education in the US is crap. You don't need a stupid chromebook to teach a kid how to do math or read at any grade level. It might help in some cases, but it can just as easily hurt or get in the way. Hangman, math and flash card quizzes, cheezy programs in BASIC/LOGO, and essays copied from Wikipedia instead the World Book encyclopedia are just
    groovy, but if that's the core of a teacher's lesson plan, what are we paying them for? But making teachers into message board administrators is beyond stupid.

  51. Base64 by Openstandards.net · · Score: 1

    VGhhdCBpcyBhbGwgSSBoYXZlIHRvIHNheS4=

  52. On drug trigger words by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    See my comments about the drug-related words above:

    http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2401570&cid=37238182

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  53. Essentially by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    The word list will exclude any works related to description of the human body - like what can be written in biology classes. Or if the student is writing an article about street language.

    Someone has to be very stuffed in the brain with "dirty" words to come up with that list.

    Some people needs to get banned from even thinking of word filters.

    Fitta - Ancient scandinavian word for weat meadow. (Today it has a completely different meaning, and I suspect that most of you can figure out what the wet meadow is...)

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    1. Re:Essentially by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Fitta - Ancient scandinavian word for weat meadow. (Today it has a completely different meaning, and I suspect that most of you can figure out what the wet meadow is...)

      Brainfart - it should be wet.

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  54. Outbound restrictions by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    ... on the linked NSFW list are pretty surprising too.

    This is allegedly a filter list for a school pupils, operating form their school, So the block outbound messages that match : 6 Block to other domains Any Rule Recipient matches regex (\.aero|\.asia|\.biz|\.cat|\.com|\.coop|\.edu|\.gov|\.info|\.int|\.jobs|\.me|\.mil|\.mobi|\.museum|\.name|\.net|\.pro|\.tel|\.travel|\.tv) Bounce

    I take it the US high school students are not expected

    • to have aspirations to study aviation,
    • visit or be asian,
    • be involved in business,
    • molest cats,
    • use commas in punctuation,
    • be cooperative,
    • do anything to do with education (well, that at least is no surprise),
    • be governable,
    • have any sort of information (no surprise either),

    Oh, I've got bored. I'm not 100% sure that's a blacklist ; it might be a whitelist, in which case they're expected to be networking COMmercially or NETworkily, but not ORGanisationally, and they're still not expected to have any international contacts outside Tuvalu.

    Madness!

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  55. I love this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our school had one of these on all email and web content... Then we got a "friend class" (Whatever these are called in English?!) in Britain, unfortunately located in Sussex, and as such filtered out by our own servers! Wonderful technology!

  56. Posted as AC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because despite reading (and v. occasionally commenting on) this site for about 10 years, I don't have an account and I'm bitter about the high UID I'd get if I got one now ;)

    But I suppose I ought to address that.

  57. Homophobic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ummm... Why are "gay" and "lesbian" on the same "concern list" as words like "shoot" "stab" and "kill"?

  58. HOMO sapiens by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

    I have hard time posting about our species, homo sapiens, on many bbses because 'homo' is an excluded word.
    Why don't we just leave it up to the teachers to deal with spelling, word usage, and student behavior?

  59. Only nigger gets protection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't it funny how they only banned the word nigger, but didn't ban any other racial words? Staggeringly inconsistent and illogical. How could the giant consensus the author claims went over this list think that you could pick the racial word for black people and ban it, and not ban all the other words for the rest of the planet?

    This leads to the logical conclusion that the entire involved community and the entire school board and all of the adminstrators are total clowns. Can you imagine what it is like to be a student under these kinds of people? God help them.