K5 guys naming their project 'Scoop' even tho another major Web site was
created by a guy with the same name
Whahuh? So, just because it means something to you, its 'another major website'? I quite honestly don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about. And from what you said, a _guy_ created a site, not a discussion engine far superior to Slash named Scoop.
Somehow I feel as if we had posted this a while ago -
no search found it. i do remember that this has been
talked about for quite some time
*gasp*! Slashdot checking to see if they posted it before! Unheard of! Though, its not Taco posting this, so I guess they're allowed to do something that makes _some_ sense.
What I was referring to was the 'beos sux linux rulez forever! haha beos is dead' type posts. But yes, very good point. Almost makes this AskSlashdot kinda almost legitimate:)
Why does it matter to all of you linux zealots why I and the rest of the Be community use the BeOS? We use what WE like best, what works best for US and what we're the most productive under. So, do tell. Why does it matter to YOU what I use as my OS on a daily basis?
Emacs supposedly doesn't work, there's no X support,
Mozilla is proving so challenging to port, last I heard they were on M14, and it usually wouldn't compile.
Emacs does work. They even included it (along with the source, of course) on the R4.5.x CDs. I'll take vi though, thankyouverymuch:)
There's an X server for BeOS. Ever try looking around a little? Somebody even ported Enlightenment to it. X works great, well, as great as X can work:)
As of the last update to the BeZilla page beginning of last month, they're on M17 and making very steady progress. They've got write permissions as well.
Hardware support is very good these days. If you'd stop thinking in terms of the 1998 R3 release it'd be much appreciated. As for crashing, I've gone to KDL *once* in the last couple years. Lots better than I can say for linux, which with the latest XFree can't even manage to run Netscape and play a MP3 without skipping, but that's a whole different story....
Are you a masochist? A fancy-boy? Or just plain stupid? It doesn't really matter, in the end. All that counts is that you kill yourself as soon as possible.
Just trying to bait the blindly zealotrous linux users out there:-)
As for Be's chances of future survival, that's still way up in the air. They're doing some very very cool things with BeIA, the Aura home stereo component MP3 player is only the beginning. Wish I could share more, but I'm a little stifled by NDAs:\
My personal hopes for the future is that BeIA really makes them the amount of money they deserve, which they can then put some of back into developing the OS and do Really Nifty(tm) things again:)
Be.com is running open bsd because its the right tool for the right job. The BSDs do a far better job of serving than anything else right now, and probably will once the BeOS Networking Environment (complete rewrite of the network stack) is released too. You wouldn't use a BSD to edit video, you don't use the BeOS to do heavy serving. Note though that BeOS does to a very decent job doing moderate serving, for example BeTips is served entirely using BeOS.
Blargh! What is it about open source zealots who fail to reason and who fail to even do one IOTA of research on the subject? Open sourcing BeOS just isn't going to happen. To quote Tom Maddox, Listmaster at Be
I'll probably regret posting this, and doing so goes
against the advice of my fellow co-workers, but there's a
very good (and oft-stated) reason why BeOS in general and
Net+ in particular cannot be open-sourced: we have legally
binding contracts with the makers of proprietary
technologies we use which forbid us from releasing their
code into the public domain. Even mentioning making BeOS
or Net+ open source sends our corporate counsel into
hysterics.
So, this is another case of nVidiaism. They have contracts with other people which disallow them from opening the source. Stop bickering about it. Stop dreaming about it. It just ain't gonna happen.
Even if it could happen, I wouldn't want it to. All you linux zealots would dive in and try and start 'fixing' things. Then we'd get a "microkernel" as large as that monolithic piece of shit linux 2.4.0.
Do you seriously think that 10 years from now we are still going to have portable mp3 players?
Yes. Take a look at Walkmans. Those are still around after a long while. People still use them every day. Casette decks are still in almost every car sold. And how's this, something even earlier, the RADIO. Yeah, people still use those. Imagine that.
... its only a fraction of The Be File System's 18 exabyte limit! When something comes along that necessitates a new file system for the operating system I use, then I'll be interested!
preference could be given to people whose ratio of offtopic-
votes to comment-posts is lower.
Hey hey, another idea stolen from Kuro5hin! Well, not exactly, but close enough. Kuro5hin has Mojo now. Way cooler than/. . Go there. You know you want to:)
Right this moment I have more apps for BeOS on my computer than I do windoze. And you've never had an MP3 player crash? Try feeding it a corrupted MP3 file. While a computer will just gloss over it, the mp3 player crashes hard.
-G
Too bad Sun Office has not been ported to BeOS and Be has
concentrated all their resources on BeIA,
Why bother with Star Office? Its almost as bloated and slow as MS Office. I've been using Gobe Productive for the last while and its been great. Reads/Writes Word and Excel documents as well.
Be, Inc. has also not been spending all their resources on BeIA. They are actively developing BONE (BeOS Networking Environment) which is a complete rewrite of the Networking stack. Early benchmarks indicate, IIRC, about 2000% speed increase over the current stack. Seeing that it has been under development for a bit, we are anticipating a release somewhat soon. They are also completely rewriting the hardware OpenGL implementation, an early look at it indicates that it completely wipes the floor with both Windows and Linux.
True, something like this wouldn't happen if the source was Free. However, there's also a matter of trust in the company. My favorite OS is mostly closed source, but I have a great deal of trust in them. Yes, they could do something like track my every movement and everything I do, but they don't.
There's absolutely no question in my mind! They've made it clear that they will continue to support the OS, and they have. The BONE (BeOS Networking Environment) and OpenGL rewrites should be proof enough. Plus, I don't know if you're on the BeUserTalk list, but there is a massive ammount of support coming from people outside of Be, Inc. Even from within Be, I've always gotten responses right away, and not auto-responses either:) Real people at the keyboards there. -G
> Sorry that's like Ford saying we should all drive black Model T's. I don't see anything wrong with that. They're moderately reliable, and unlike modern cars you can fix them yourself when something goes wrong. Rather enjoyable to drive too:)
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Linux is only free if your time is of no value
Whahuh? So, just because it means something to you, its 'another major website'? I quite honestly don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about. And from what you said, a _guy_ created a site, not a discussion engine far superior to Slash named Scoop.
-G, BOFH at www.tolkiengeeks.net
Linux is only free if your time is of no value
*gasp*! Slashdot checking to see if they posted it before! Unheard of! Though, its not Taco posting this, so I guess they're allowed to do something that makes _some_ sense.
Linux is only free if your time is of no value
Linux is only free if your time is of no value
Linux is only free if your time is of no value
Emacs does work. They even included it (along with the source, of course) on the R4.5.x CDs. I'll take vi though, thankyouverymuch :)
There's an X server for BeOS. Ever try looking around a little? Somebody even ported Enlightenment to it. X works great, well, as great as X can work :)
As of the last update to the BeZilla page beginning of last month, they're on M17 and making very steady progress. They've got write permissions as well.
Hardware support is very good these days. If you'd stop thinking in terms of the 1998 R3 release it'd be much appreciated. As for crashing, I've gone to KDL *once* in the last couple years. Lots better than I can say for linux, which with the latest XFree can't even manage to run Netscape and play a MP3 without skipping, but that's a whole different story....
Linux is only free if your time is of no value
Whatever I may be, I'm not a troll :)
-G
Linux is only free if your time is of no value
http://bebugs.be.com
Pretty public rug there, eh?
Linux is only free if your time is of no value
As for Be's chances of future survival, that's still way up in the air. They're doing some very very cool things with BeIA, the Aura home stereo component MP3 player is only the beginning. Wish I could share more, but I'm a little stifled by NDAs :\
My personal hopes for the future is that BeIA really makes them the amount of money they deserve, which they can then put some of back into developing the OS and do Really Nifty(tm) things again :)
-G
Linux is only free if your time is of no value
-G
Linux is only free if your time is of no value
So, this is another case of nVidiaism. They have contracts with other people which disallow them from opening the source. Stop bickering about it. Stop dreaming about it. It just ain't gonna happen.
Even if it could happen, I wouldn't want it to. All you linux zealots would dive in and try and start 'fixing' things. Then we'd get a "microkernel" as large as that monolithic piece of shit linux 2.4.0.
-G
BeNews Editor
Linux is only free if your time is of no value
-David
Linux is only free if your time is of no value
Yes. Take a look at Walkmans. Those are still around after a long while. People still use them every day. Casette decks are still in almost every car sold. And how's this, something even earlier, the RADIO. Yeah, people still use those. Imagine that.
Linux is only free if your time is of no value
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
And yes, that was my server. Its now down. It'll stay down.
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
Hey hey, another idea stolen from Kuro5hin! Well, not exactly, but close enough. Kuro5hin has Mojo now. Way cooler than /. . Go there. You know you want to :)
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
Why bother with Star Office? Its almost as bloated and slow as MS Office. I've been using Gobe Productive for the last while and its been great. Reads/Writes Word and Excel documents as well.
Be, Inc. has also not been spending all their resources on BeIA. They are actively developing BONE (BeOS Networking Environment) which is a complete rewrite of the Networking stack. Early benchmarks indicate, IIRC, about 2000% speed increase over the current stack. Seeing that it has been under development for a bit, we are anticipating a release somewhat soon.
They are also completely rewriting the hardware OpenGL implementation, an early look at it indicates that it completely wipes the floor with both Windows and Linux.
-Gandalf Greyhame
P.S. Kuro5hin is coming back soon! Yay!!!!
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
-G
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
There's absolutely no question in my mind! They've made it clear that they will continue to support the OS, and they have. The BONE (BeOS Networking Environment) and OpenGL rewrites should be proof enough. Plus, I don't know if you're on the BeUserTalk list, but there is a massive ammount of support coming from people outside of Be, Inc. Even from within Be, I've always gotten responses right away, and not auto-responses either :) Real people at the keyboards there.
-G
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
I don't see anything wrong with that. They're moderately reliable, and unlike modern cars you can fix them yourself when something goes wrong. Rather enjoyable to drive too
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing