At least SV has been growing. The only thing the city that I've grown up in (Buffalo) is doing is _shrinking_, or lately staying stagnant. Its not alot of fun here. Hell, friday night downtown is deserted... there's nothing here. Which is why I can't wait for the 40 days until I leave, off to college.
Linux, or any UNIX for that matter, isn't for modern desktops. Its not gonna shove Microsoft out of the way anytime soon. "...generally slow..." If you can get it working in the first place. Even when a distro's website lists all my hardware as compatible, once I try and install the thing, it dosen't work. Linux still has a long way to go before it can even dream about snagging the typical end-user away from Microsoft.
So capitalism is wrong? I agree with the Metallica suit against Napster. This is _their_ work that _they've_ created, you don't have the _right_ to it. You don't like it, don't buy it, don't complain about it. Simple as that.
As for those who say that metallica dosen't exactly understand it, so what? Its obvious to anybody that their money is being lost here. Over a million songs downloaded without any money going to Lars and co? They certianly didn't get rich that way
The thing I am against however, is the record label's M.O. Musicians should get more money than they are. And linux configurability sucks too, but that's for another post =P
Apple dosen't want other companies getting a look at their hardware before they're ready with it. They also don't want any investors doing funky stuff. This all comes down to protecting themselves. Last time I checked, if you're a business making money and not having stuff leaked to the competition was a Good Thing
I've read the first few dozen posts, and most everyone seems to be forgetting who they're targetting this at - drivers, not people sitting at home. And if the price of the car component isn't too high, I think this'd be a great idea. I know I go on long trips pretty regularly , and my MP3 player only holds so much. Plus, ever try and change a CD while driving solo? =P
I have no problem with Linux, I'd like to see a desktop solution. My problem is whenever linux is talked about, nobody seems to remember that its a beast to set up. BeOS, you install by placing the CD in the drive, and clicking a button. 15 minutes later you're internet ready. "Insert-CD-and-click-button" is about what it takes to install a nominal piece of software.
And I don't just bash Linux, I try and make Microsoft suffer too. But they've made a decent desktop OS. As for personal interest in Be... I'd like to see it succeed and not become another OS/2 - superior operating system crushed by the gorilla. And no, I don't work for Be, nor even have any stock in the company.
BeOS is a fantastic OS. BFS = Be File System = Journaled FS = database. For example, onto a MP3 file you of course will have file name, date created, and size as attributes. But you can also have Artist, Album, genre, song title, hell, if you wanted to you could also attach what you were wearing the day you ripped / downloaded the file. very amazing FS in my opinion.
Be is also fast as hell, stable... everything that Windows and Linux and MacOS try to be, but fail at.
So I suppose if you throw a pile of components, which when assembled correctly form a functional computer, in front of your average user* they'll be able to build a functional computer without any help?
No, of course not. I'm not claiming to be a unix guru, but, I know my way around my computer hardware wise. I looked every freaking place I could online for instructions on how to get things to work. Know what? Instructions didn't work. Linux can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. End user DOES NOT if its open source, or if its linux, or whatever. They want something that works when they turn it on, no tweaking required. You certianly get that in Be. Hell, you even get that in Windoze. DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE, LINUX WILL NOT EXIST ON THE TYPICAL USER'S DESKTOP IN ITS CURRENT STATE
*can turn computer on and off, dial and sign into normal, non-AOL ISP, use word processor of choice, and can install and use other non-pre-installed software. Reasonable defintion of "Average User"?
I don't know what the heck you're doing, but I've never had problems with hardware working on _Windows_. Companies, other than Apple (and Be back when it was making BeBoxen - wish I could get my hands on one of those) just don't make hardware that the vast vast vast majority of end users can't / won't be able to.
Why doesn't it add up? First I try what looks like would make sense (recompiling the kernel with everything taken out except what I have in my system) then I look to directions/help I can find on the internet - which told me to do the exact same thing I was doing in the first place. Neither approach worked well. I prefer toying with my system to get better performance. Not toying with my system to get basic functionality that something like BeOS gives out-of-box.
Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing Long Live Be!
no no no! It's "Wine is fine but whisky's quicker / suicide is slow with liquor"
[Begin usual rant] Until linux makes some major changes, you won't get many average people converting. Its just too damn hard to setup when you have stuff like BeOS and [shudder] windows which sets everything up itself. Prime example is my computer. I've been building my own computers since 8th grade, so I like to think I know something about them. I have all mainstream components in the beforementioned computer. Everything works great in BeOS (my OS of choice if you haven't been able to figure it out), I've changed hardware and upon the next boot, it automatically configured everything (I won't mention boot times or stability in this post).
But alas, poor *nix. I've tried three different Linux distros and various versions of FreeBSD as well. And not with one could I get everything configured and working properly. Not even the damn NIC in some linuxes. I mean, come on! This is a 3com NIC here, nothing unusal. I've spent more than a week on linux, trying to configure things, following every instruction I could find to the letter. But nothing worked. Now, if a relatively advanced user can't set something up, and the vast majority of companies only sell Microsoft preinstalled to the end users, what makes anybody think Linux can gain a toehold in the consumer arena?
P.S. I am well aware that BeOS has only a slightly better chance than Linux to make a dent in the Gorilla's market share. M$ is just too big to challenge significantly any time soon. But, if for some reason the gorilla should fall, I think BeOS has a better chance than Linux, because its infinetely easier to setup. End users don't care if its open source. They don't care its "Linux!" They just want the gosh-darned thing to work.
Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing. Long Live Be!
It's called BeOS:) its free too, http://free.be.com . I love it, its lightning fast, I've never had it crash once (and I've tried to crash it too, multiple movies + mp3s playing at once, etc). Boot time of about 10 seconds, supports most major hardware (video card support could be better, but my Voodoo5 works great on it even though not "officially" listed as supported on Be's website).
All my comments were directed at end-user computing (thought my comments about trying to configure it on my computer should've made that apparent. Never seen a server with a sound card before). FreeBSD, from my experiences with it, seems to make a great server platform, I've never had a problem configuring Apache / whatever and my NIC on it. But, with various Linuxes, getting everything configured and working, _at the same time_, has proved impossible. Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing.
And for the end user, ease-of-use is just as important as stability. Nobody's going to bother trying to set Linux up when there's something like Be or [shudder] Windows that sets itself up in a matter of minutes.
Warning: This post _will_ be considered flamebait by linux zealots. It'll also be considered flamebait by micro$oft zealots (do any of those exist?). In fact, the only people who will probably like this post are Be zealots. So sue me. Moderators: just because you don't agree with what I say dosen't mean you moderate it down. At least that's the mature way to look at things. There has to be someone out there who's mat... nevermind;-)
I've stopped caring about linux now. I think Open source is a great thing. I like CLI's, so naturally I like the unix idea. But until something major changes, I don't think Linux will take over from microsoft in the consumer-arena. Why you ask? Because 1) Its very difficult to configure. I have very mainstream hardware. Nothing funky on the motherboard, 3com NIC, graphics card from Diamond, SB soundcard, etc. But I could never get everything to work at once. Keep in mind I'm fairly computer literate (I 've only built my own computers since I was in 8th grade.... ) and I know what I'm doing. But I could never get everything to work together, and this is with three different distros keep in mind. If someone like myself, who knows about computers, can't get the damn thing working what makes people thing that average joe-consumer and idiot-boss will be able to make it work on their computer? And that's not even getting into installing software ("make install" my ass, there's better ways to do things if you want it made easy). "Well, just buy it pre-installed then!" you might say, which brings up 2) A Micro$oft OS is pre-installed on almost every computer on the planet. "But dell has linux preinstalled on some laptops!" If they do, they're not making it very visible, a search a couple weeks ago in their home-user laptop section turned up nothing with linux. ditto for small-business section. Which leaves the average joe to install it himself. Refer to 1) for the impossibilities of that happening.
Now, you're probably wondering why I said "Be zealots" up there, right? Well, that's my solution. I think with the right pushing that Be actually has a chance against the gorilla. Unfortunetely, it dosen't look like that's going to happen, it looks like another OS/2 (that was a fun one to play with, btw). Coulda, shoulda, but didn't because of piss-poor advertising. Make no mistake, I think Be is great, I use it as often as I can. Its easier than anything to setup (just install it) and it works great out of the box. I urge everyone to try it. Hell, its even free. And parts of it have been open sourced.
My rant is done. I guess I could sum it up by saying " We're screwed, the good stuff always gets squashed by the gorilla ". Have a nice day:)
Predictions for the moderation: Troll, Offtopic, Flamebait. Lets see how close I get.
Thanks to the Anonymous Coward who backed me up. My point was that having a system pre-configured takes down a major block to many people - having to configure the gosh darn thing. I'm in the market for a laptop myself, and will probably get one of the Linux ones coming out from Dell / IBM.
I've really enjoyed the Unixisms in Be (like file structure, bash shell) and am looking forward to not bothering with having to configure that bear of a OS called Linux.
BTW, anybody have any hints for the Slackware kenerl issues (always comes out "too large" even using make bzImage ) or getting Mandrake to install over FTP? Mail me at gandalfgreyhame@hushmail.com if you do, thanks.
And so UNIX is running on the exact same hardware that it was when it was released? I think not.
When Be ported over to x86, they kept as much of the code as they could. And Microsoft could have killed all of the legacy code, perhaps not in 95 but certianly in 98. I don't know anyone still using 16-bit apps. Just my thoughts on it.
BTW, 10 years is a long time in computing. I doubt you'd want to use the same processor or modem or any hardware at all (except perhaps a keyboard) that you were using 10 years ago. I certianly don't want to go back to 2400 baud modems and 25 Mhz chips w/o math coprocessors.
Be, Inc. was incorporated, if memory serves right, in 1990. That's 10 years ago, when BeOS was born on the BeBox. I remember reading about it in a PC Computing or something similar way back then. So, 10 years isn't exactly young.
They've just made a very smart OS.... not alot of bloat.
The thing is, I (and a good number of other people basing on the number of units available) have invested in MP3 Players. The little portable ones. And even at 80 Kbps encoding it sounds fine to me.
Did I mention I'm a professional musician? I do know when stuff has been nuked one way or another.
How about Slow & Bloated? Oh wait, that describes both companies, nevermind....
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Supposedly they're legal contracts, right? Well, what happens when a minor buys software and 'agrees' to that contract? How I understood american law to work, a minor can't agree to a legally binding contract. Something to ponder, no?
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This isn't pure capitalism in the US. Socialism. There's other flaws in your arguments, but I'm too tired now to point them out
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As for those who say that metallica dosen't exactly understand it, so what? Its obvious to anybody that their money is being lost here. Over a million songs downloaded without any money going to Lars and co? They certianly didn't get rich that way
The thing I am against however, is the record label's M.O. Musicians should get more money than they are. And linux configurability sucks too, but that's for another post =P
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And I don't just bash Linux, I try and make Microsoft suffer too. But they've made a decent desktop OS. As for personal interest in Be... I'd like to see it succeed and not become another OS/2 - superior operating system crushed by the gorilla. And no, I don't work for Be, nor even have any stock in the company.
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
BeOS is a fantastic OS. BFS = Be File System = Journaled FS = database. For example, onto a MP3 file you of course will have file name, date created, and size as attributes. But you can also have Artist, Album, genre, song title, hell, if you wanted to you could also attach what you were wearing the day you ripped / downloaded the file. very amazing FS in my opinion.
Be is also fast as hell, stable... everything that Windows and Linux and MacOS try to be, but fail at.
P.S. It's BeOS R5 Personal, not lite.
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
No, of course not. I'm not claiming to be a unix guru, but, I know my way around my computer hardware wise. I looked every freaking place I could online for instructions on how to get things to work. Know what? Instructions didn't work. Linux can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. End user DOES NOT if its open source, or if its linux, or whatever. They want something that works when they turn it on, no tweaking required. You certianly get that in Be. Hell, you even get that in Windoze. DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE, LINUX WILL NOT EXIST ON THE TYPICAL USER'S DESKTOP IN ITS CURRENT STATE
*can turn computer on and off, dial and sign into normal, non-AOL ISP, use word processor of choice, and can install and use other non-pre-installed software. Reasonable defintion of "Average User"?
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing
Long Live Be!
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
[Begin usual rant]
Until linux makes some major changes, you won't get many average people converting. Its just too damn hard to setup when you have stuff like BeOS and [shudder] windows which sets everything up itself. Prime example is my computer. I've been building my own computers since 8th grade, so I like to think I know something about them. I have all mainstream components in the beforementioned computer. Everything works great in BeOS (my OS of choice if you haven't been able to figure it out), I've changed hardware and upon the next boot, it automatically configured everything (I won't mention boot times or stability in this post).
But alas, poor *nix. I've tried three different Linux distros and various versions of FreeBSD as well. And not with one could I get everything configured and working properly. Not even the damn NIC in some linuxes. I mean, come on! This is a 3com NIC here, nothing unusal. I've spent more than a week on linux, trying to configure things, following every instruction I could find to the letter. But nothing worked. Now, if a relatively advanced user can't set something up, and the vast majority of companies only sell Microsoft preinstalled to the end users, what makes anybody think Linux can gain a toehold in the consumer arena?
P.S. I am well aware that BeOS has only a slightly better chance than Linux to make a dent in the Gorilla's market share. M$ is just too big to challenge significantly any time soon. But, if for some reason the gorilla should fall, I think BeOS has a better chance than Linux, because its infinetely easier to setup. End users don't care if its open source. They don't care its "Linux!" They just want the gosh-darned thing to work.
Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing.
Long Live Be!
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
--I've stopped caring about people killing my karma. I've attacked Linux on /. . My karma was doomed before it lived =P
Long Live Be!
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
Parts of it have even been open sourced too.
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
And for the end user, ease-of-use is just as important as stability. Nobody's going to bother trying to set Linux up when there's something like Be or [shudder] Windows that sets itself up in a matter of minutes.
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
I've stopped caring about linux now. I think Open source is a great thing. I like CLI's, so naturally I like the unix idea. But until something major changes, I don't think Linux will take over from microsoft in the consumer-arena. Why you ask? Because
1) Its very difficult to configure. I have very mainstream hardware. Nothing funky on the motherboard, 3com NIC, graphics card from Diamond, SB soundcard, etc. But I could never get everything to work at once. Keep in mind I'm fairly computer literate (I 've only built my own computers since I was in 8th grade.... ) and I know what I'm doing. But I could never get everything to work together, and this is with three different distros keep in mind. If someone like myself, who knows about computers, can't get the damn thing working what makes people thing that average joe-consumer and idiot-boss will be able to make it work on their computer? And that's not even getting into installing software ("make install" my ass, there's better ways to do things if you want it made easy). "Well, just buy it pre-installed then!" you might say, which brings up
2) A Micro$oft OS is pre-installed on almost every computer on the planet. "But dell has linux preinstalled on some laptops!" If they do, they're not making it very visible, a search a couple weeks ago in their home-user laptop section turned up nothing with linux. ditto for small-business section. Which leaves the average joe to install it himself. Refer to 1) for the impossibilities of that happening.
Now, you're probably wondering why I said "Be zealots" up there, right? Well, that's my solution. I think with the right pushing that Be actually has a chance against the gorilla. Unfortunetely, it dosen't look like that's going to happen, it looks like another OS/2 (that was a fun one to play with, btw). Coulda, shoulda, but didn't because of piss-poor advertising. Make no mistake, I think Be is great, I use it as often as I can. Its easier than anything to setup (just install it) and it works great out of the box. I urge everyone to try it. Hell, its even free. And parts of it have been open sourced.
My rant is done. I guess I could sum it up by saying " We're screwed, the good stuff always gets squashed by the gorilla ". Have a nice day :)
Predictions for the moderation: Troll, Offtopic, Flamebait. Lets see how close I get.
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
I've really enjoyed the Unixisms in Be (like file structure, bash shell) and am looking forward to not bothering with having to configure that bear of a OS called Linux.
BTW, anybody have any hints for the Slackware kenerl issues (always comes out "too large" even using make bzImage ) or getting Mandrake to install over FTP? Mail me at gandalfgreyhame@hushmail.com if you do, thanks.
When Be ported over to x86, they kept as much of the code as they could. And Microsoft could have killed all of the legacy code, perhaps not in 95 but certianly in 98. I don't know anyone still using 16-bit apps. Just my thoughts on it.
BTW, 10 years is a long time in computing. I doubt you'd want to use the same processor or modem or any hardware at all (except perhaps a keyboard) that you were using 10 years ago. I certianly don't want to go back to 2400 baud modems and 25 Mhz chips w/o math coprocessors.
They've just made a very smart OS.... not alot of bloat.
Long Live Be!
Did I mention I'm a professional musician? I do know when stuff has been nuked one way or another.
I believe they will hear it - they heard AT&T's appeal directly - but that dosen't mean it'd be much quicker.
How about Slow & Bloated? Oh wait, that describes both companies, nevermind....
Supposedly they're legal contracts, right? Well, what happens when a minor buys software and 'agrees' to that contract? How I understood american law to work, a minor can't agree to a legally binding contract. Something to ponder, no?