Oh, you mean this Blackphone? Just because somebody is marketing it as secure doesn't mean that it's actually a secure product.
Nothing is totally secure. Police are upset that the software (Finn Fisher?) they purchased to spy on standard Android doesn't work on the Black Phone - and no, it's not as secure as the stock Blackberry (which isn't that secure anyway).
I don't think I claimed any insights into the project
Then your assurances don't give me reason to think that poster has any more knowlege about kanaal terminology than the people I listened too.
...assuming that this is partly city marketing.
My first "impression" was that it was the printing company doing most of the "marketing".
Not sure what you mean with 'Oog';
Eye Hospital "joke" from my Dutch partner (no, I don't "get it" either, another time she told my "viva la pipette" was the appropriate toast at ceremony with the French embassy). She also disagrees with me - but then she complains about "wireless", but says "you know what I mean" when I ask if she means AM/FW/SW/Bluetooth/WiFi or UMTS.
I'm aware of that. BTW, how's that going? Not well.
Please share the source of your information that contradicts my experience.
You're wrong about Android being unsecurable - there are several high-end phone manufacturers that build their own secure Androids, you just won't see them on Best Buy.
I guess your lips got to sore to read that old article in full. Or maybe DSD and AFP should be hiring you - 'cause the desperately want to break that particular device in the investigation of several recent murders.
This rumor comes up every year. There would be no advantage to them releasing an Android device. They wouldn't get any cut of app sales, they can't control Android security (which is an absolute joke), and people still won't buy it because it's a BB.
I'm a die hard BB fan. I've had 6 or 7 BB devices since 2004 (currently a Z10 running 10.3.1) and I'm a 10+ year BES admin. The BlackBerry 10 OS is solid, secure and fast. Give it time. A lot of time. It already runs most Android apps.
Android is a mess. It varies wildly between phone manufacturers and it is dominated by 2 or 3 companies. Don't go down that path.
I agree it's very unlikely they'd switch completely to Android. Obviously you're not aware they've been making a secure Android for certain customers for some time now (in partnership with Boeing).
You're wrong about Android being unsecurable - there are several high-end phone manufacturers that build their own secure Androids, you just won't see them on Best Buy (the cheapest is probably the Black Phone).
Sections of HQ Jock and Lockheed Martin have a strict policy on electronic devices that can be brought into secure areas - they have to be compared to detailed xray and infared images, and know weights before they are allowed in. The same data shows software and there are a number of "approved" secure Android (and iOS) builds - no Lumia though. There's some very interesting devices on those lists (and some sports car price range crap) - turns out there are many more phone manufacturers out there than what's available through your local carrier on a contract deal.
Like I said above, moats are also called grachten, and moats do not typically have houses on both sides, so that can't be a necessary condition for something to be called a gracht.
As a native Dutch speaker, I associate the term 'kanaal' with man-made waterways that are typically much wider than grachten, so a gracht is not a kanaal and a kanaal is not a gracht, even though they're both man-made and therefore differ from rivieren, beekjes, and (some) sloten.
The technical term for what the English would call a moat - if it's not used for a transport, and it doesn't have houses on both sides, is a singel. As a dozen Dutch and you'll get a dozen answers. Most will tell you that if it runs through the city is a gracht. Ask a dozen Dutch kanaal historians and you'll only get one answer. I got my definitions from them, and a quick look at Wikipedia shows the same definitions. Any Dutch drainage ditch or river that's been "improved" is a kanaal - but most Dutch will give it a more definitive name. Just like the English don't point to any body of water and say "that's a body of water" - they'll say "river, or lake, or creek". I point to what I was told was a gracht and get told it's a singel - I say "everyone calls it a gracht" and I'm told "they're idiots - there's a castle on one side and a park on the other, and no tow path or moorings - that section is a singel". (sigh)
According to story you linked to (thanks, by the way), it'll be built 'in the centre of Amsterdam'. Which makes sense, from a city marketing perspective. This implies it will definitely be over a gracht.
I can assure you you're wrong in assuming the original poster didn't know what she was talking about.
I don't have your deep understanding of the GP's credibility and undocumented insights into the as yet approved project - so I'll take your assurances with the same bucket of salty liquorice I take the GP's language skills. Having spent a number years living in Amsterdam: there are central areas where canals (kanaals) are not grachts; nor your "intuitions" about city marketing, determine where the final location will be. Don't be surprise if it winds up being built in Oog - the prophesies of Dutch politicians and the accuracy of news releases from the marketing departments of dutch engineering companies are no more reliable than those in other countries.
Note that the "picture" that another poster mentions is not a real picture.
Grachts, vaarts, and singels are all kanaals. As cities expanded singels became vaarts or grachts. Imply what you like from a picture of a kanaal that has yet to be decided on by the Dutch government - but you're just guessing.
however, the article is written in english so it's a canal.. besides, by the definition of the word canal it's still a canal. it's a man made waterway from the looks of it.
Is your point that you don't comprehend what I wrote? I was replied to someone who insisted that it was a gracht (a kanaal with houses on both sides). Gracht doesn't translate into a single English word. My point, which seems to elude you, is that if, as the GP suggests, we should use the Dutch term, it's a kanaal (though it might also be a gracht when the Dutch decide on the location of the project). Kanaal does translate - to canal (same thing in Polish, Italian, Portugese, French and probably other languages). If you're trying to make the point that we must always translate foreign terms from foreign lands into English - you're being petty. Especially given the limitations of the "English" language - which is built from other languages, and that only a handful of Dutch don't speak fluent English. No need to dumb everything down to the level of the lowest common denominator (most of us speak at least some of another language - except, perhaps, if your from the northern states of the USA).
Wrong. It's a kannal. It might be a gracht, and if it is it could've been a vaart, maybe even a singel at some time.Until the Dutch government announce where it is I'd hold off on calling it a gracht - just in case both sides of the kanaal aren't lined with houses. No matter which water-filled ditch it is - it will always be a kannal.
I give more credits to the Dutch who lectured me on the history of their waterways than your Google university degree. As second prize you win 50Kg of lovely Dutch liquorice for your sweet tooth. Enjoy.
Personally, I've got four machines to patch (two Windows, one Mac, one Linux), and didn't mean to imply otherwise. It's rather common knowledge that "patch Tuesday" was started by MS in order to make things more convenient for corporate customers, instead of releasing patches on an ad hoc schedule.
As someone who deals with many of their corporate customers let me assure you it ain't convenient - we want the patches as soon as possible, and we'll deploy them as soon as we've tested them. Despite not knowing the personal motivations behind all the M$ executives who decided it's a monthly thing (and ignoring that I remember when it wasn't even monthly) I have a hard time believing they do because it's best for their corporate clients.
I bet you don't like some things the government does. You are invited to run for Senate or President. Because obviously if you don't, you should just shut up and gtfo.
Comprehension eludes you. There's a difference between having the capacity for the moral depravity and incompetence needed to be a politician - and the actual desire to be one. The ability to code, and active participation in OpenSSL seems similar - but what would I know. You certainly have my vote.
Complaining about open source software is like voting, you're letting your voice be heard but letting the other run the show.
A novel analogy. In what country to do you vote on random web forums? Which Open Source projects use any old web forum for bug tracking?
Submitting patches is like being a politician, you're the only actually doing the work.
If you'd only mentioned earlier that you were a politician it would have saved us all the trouble of taking anything you say seriously. Not that I think for a minute that you have tickets on yourself. Thanks for your invaluable opinions, unlike voting I actually welcome input from the uninformed - especially those that don't use my code, it's what motivates me to devote so much time to Open Source (and you thought it was because I'm tax payer funded and required to by law - how, um, quaint)
People can point out issues even if they are not capable of providing fixes for them.
They can. Indeed they can. Only the other day I saw a bloke in a dressing gown giving similar suggestions to emergency workers fixing power lines. No doubt they appreciated the insights he offered.Just because a particular field of endeavor requires practitioners years of study and experience shouldn't prohibit the intuitively enhanced from giving directions. I bet the computer repair shop appreciate your directions on how to fix problems - that you don't know how to fix.
Not everyone is a coder, you elitist asshat.
Forgive me for not recognising the insurmountable barriers that have prevented you from ever learning to program. I now appreciate that not everyone is an uninformed arse-clown, we all have our crosses to bear. Carry on.
How about just simply and politely telling the caller that you're not in the market for his product/service,
How about they treat my phone like my front porch and fuck off before I set the dogs on them? There's a reason there's a gate and it's not just to keep the stock in. If I wanted to hear from every one and any one I'd still get a life instead. Just because there are jobs for cold callers doesn't make it a "right" to shove your shit in my face - if I want to buy something I'll go shopping, and if your product was worth buying you wouldn't need to push it like an aluminium cladding shill. Unsolicited sales calls are like spam or junk mail. No wonder people believe the NSA has a right to stick their nose in other people's lives. A dollar isn't that important.
Next you'll be trying to defend "opt-out" spam. (sigh) Perhaps you believe a choice between getting kicked in the nuts or kicked in the head is some sort of freedom?
They grew up in a time when there were 2 "snail mail" deliveries per day, so they could send/receive invitations for same evening - or the next day, if a reply was needed
Wow! Two deliveries a day. Not in Australia mate.
My family was always part of various social groups - church, sport, neighbourhood dinner parties etc. So there was always lots of venues were it would be prearranged to meet. Greeting others while shopping, walking the neighbourhood, or driving around, or using public transport also provided ways of prearranging visits. I live in a rural area so I still wave at every passing vehicle and we all meet at various community barbeques or dinners. And then there's the LUG and Makers group. Friends are people whose funerals and weddings I'll attend - everyone else is a stranger, colleague, or acquaintance. But I'd never walk up to a neighbours house without a good reason - someone arriving by car without advance warning is usually a sign of unwanted visitors. Things are no doubt different for some - seems they need to seek out company and will tell you their life story if you are unlucky enough to share a lift with them. My father used to say "the friends you get are determined by the friends you reject". I agree with him and are cautious about who I let get close to my family and I - especially cautious about whose opinion I make myself a prisoner of.
No pre-teen pregnancies in my family that I know of.
My mother was 30 when she had me (I'm not the eldest) and her mother was 28 (when she had my mother). Now her mother was 19 (when she had my grandmother, married at 18), but an average of over 25 years old for birth and my great-grandmother was alive when I was 19 (briefly, she passed that year). My eldest is 11 and my grandmother is still alive (I was 28 when she was born, increasing the average to almost 29).
TL;DR Lots of people know their great-grand parents without pre-teen pregnancies.
Oh, and yeah, my grandparents / great grandparents (only one of mine passed before I knew them) would never drop by unannounced. Heh, my father's father wouldn't even let the phone ring more than 3 times, thinking if you couldn't answer it that fast you were busy & he didn't want to intrude.
No pre-teen pregnancies in my family that I know of.
My mother was 30 when she had me (I'm not the eldest) and her mother was 28 (when she had my mother). Now her mother was 19 (when she had my grandmother, married at 18), but an average of over 25 years old for birth and my great-grandmother was alive when I was 19 (briefly, she passed that year). My eldest is 11 and my grandmother is still alive (I was 28 when she was born, increasing the average to almost 29).
TL;DR Lots of people know their great-grand parents without pre-teen pregnancies.
Oh, and yeah, my grandparents / great grandparents (only one of mine passed before I knew them) would never drop by unannounced. Heh, my father's father wouldn't even let the phone ring more than 3 times, thinking if you couldn't answer it that fast you were busy & he didn't want to intrude.
Longevity isn't one of my family traits - most died in their 60's or 70's, and we all had big families with more than a year between pregnancies (I was in kindergarten when my last great-grandparent died). My mother struggles with email and doesn't "get" word-wrap (but she does "get" Linux). She still won't answer phone calls after 8pm ('cause it must be bad news) and still uses a special table and chair for the telephone. She won't use an answering machine - or take calls if the Caller ID is blocked. She also thinks voicemail is rude (her words) - likewise people "dropping by" unannounced ("how can I be hospitable if they don't give me a chance to prepare"?).
My oldest grandchild is only 8 and Mum is in her early 80's, already "losing the plot", has had several falls that put her in hospital. I doubt my grandkids will remember her except by what we tell them.
No way Mum will have anything to do with Fffacebook ("rude, shameless gossip", "sad people with empty lives making themselves prisons of the opinions of strangers", "the worthless that talk about others, the shallow talk about themselves, and, those that talk of ideas") - likewise most of my offspring. Clearly there are different standards of manners and degrees of importance, likewise the need for recognition. Allegedly my grandmother was fond of saying "Success is determined by how little need you have for recognition or credit".
So what people are basically saying is, they don't want to do their job. Gotcha!
Only if their job is to answer phone calls. That is some people's jobs - and some of them are too stupid or vacuous to conceive of other jobs where most of the work involves not being on the phone. I'd explain more but it'd take longer than you've got between calls. Oh wait - you've got another IM. (lucky you don't have a job that requires extended periods of concentration - like more than 5 minutes or you'd get nothing done) If your job depends on voicemail most of the time I'd suggest most of your callers are kept waiting and not getting the level of service they should - perhaps you should look into fixing that? If it was my business the analysts aren't doing there job if there are many callers - and there's a major problem if the callers can't get through straight away, the vast majority comes through the ticket system and most calls are to the client - not the other way around. If they don't answer it's still a "respond", and "restore" is begun before trying to call them again.
I can conceive of lots of instances where voicemail is useful - but in my case I celebrate it's death, alongside television, radio, and instant messaging. They are all time thieves to me.
There's nothing more that I hate than coming into my cube
Don't you love it when message two makes message one redundant. Some people think voicemail is like the button at the pedestrian crossing (I know - pushing it multiple times does nothing, but they don't know that). But hey - some people think sending a photo of something you typed to someone so they print it out as a photo, then type it back in again is efficient. Or secure. Just because forty other harry-highpants said so, or a judge who thinks someone who can use a mouse is a skilled "hacker", or a (spit) lawyer - who charges you $50 to process that fax - and truly believes that the fax if more verifiable than a digital signature (no - a fax doesn't prove the content, only the transmission, and depending on the protocol, the receipt).
Oh really? My grandparents would say "sorry to drop by uninvited". Seriously. And they sure as hell wouldn't call at meal times - even on the phone (there was no internets when they were alive). I have no idea what my great-grandparents would have thought. No pre-teen pregnancies in my family that I know of.
Because prospective clients are harder and more expensive to attain than retaining current clients. Obviously, you're not in sales.
Obviously. Roadmaster made the point about being polite to the first caller. Spammers and line jumpers, people who think they deserve an instant response are clueless and rude. If you deserve a priority response you'd have access to the ticket-system or your SLA would get you the non-public numbers. Sales people ring me at dinner and get all huffy when I ask them when they'll be having dinner so I can return their call. Hypocrites. If I wanted to buy your shit I'd be ringing you.
And no, I don't know what they say when I ring them at their dinner time, because I don't.
It's so good it sells itself Oh yeah? Well let's see how that works out [clunk!] [return to listening to someone important] it's that stoner dude from despatch complaining about how no one returns his voicemail... maybe someone should tell him we scrapped voicemail last year?? (naah)
Turning it on is dumb - real estate agents leave messages. Eeew.
If you had a real job you'd know how we get jobs. It's called email. And no - we don't reply because we don't want to. Voicemail isn't for call screening - we've got caller ID for that, or email. Seriously. Surely real estate agents use email (not that I've rented - but I bet shift workers just love you ringing them, or people with jobs). If I was renting I'd want all my dealings with a real estate agent in writing. Do you block your caller-id when you ring?
I had to check the calendar, but no - it's not the first of April. M$ has flagged Ask as malware, and some journalist has noticed that voicemail is a waste of time. Yay! [OAP happy dance]
Two minutes to get through advertising and stupid menus to hear a distorted message from someone who's probably given up/trying to get through while you are trying to retrieve your voicemail, or woken up to the new thing called eeee-mail.
Am I the only one whose voicemail message says "My phone is either off or out of range - please email me or ring back later."? And yet people still leave messages like "brrrt, crrrtchk, tried to call, gggrch, later".
And WTF is the "press hash after the message" - it just confuses corned beef eaters and potheads (who really don't need more confusion), and it's bullshit - you don't need to press hash - it does nothing.
Mutter, mutter, I hate SMS too. Just send me an email - it's cheaper, it has vowels, I might even reply. Who knows?
It's also to protect you from snooping by the KGB.
Great stuff! So it secures my ISP as well? Will it wax my car too?
Yeah - I know, it only secures content after the connection. But seriously - given the level of government stupid when it comes to data security, and the number of CA compromises it seems like lipstick on a pig.
Still - like a crash helmet instead of a parachute when you jump from a plane, it's better than nothing. (or is that "less worse"?)
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Oh, you mean this Blackphone? Just because somebody is marketing it as secure doesn't mean that it's actually a secure product.
Nothing is totally secure. Police are upset that the software (Finn Fisher?) they purchased to spy on standard Android doesn't work on the Black Phone - and no, it's not as secure as the stock Blackberry (which isn't that secure anyway).
There's a difference between having the capacity for the moral depravity and incompetence needed to be a politician
I'm sure it makes up for one hell of a slogan.
Touchy much?
I don't think I claimed any insights into the project
Then your assurances don't give me reason to think that poster has any more knowlege about kanaal terminology than the people I listened too.
...assuming that this is partly city marketing.
My first "impression" was that it was the printing company doing most of the "marketing".
Not sure what you mean with 'Oog';
Eye Hospital "joke" from my Dutch partner (no, I don't "get it" either, another time she told my "viva la pipette" was the appropriate toast at ceremony with the French embassy). She also disagrees with me - but then she complains about "wireless", but says "you know what I mean" when I ask if she means AM/FW/SW/Bluetooth/WiFi or UMTS.
I'm aware of that. BTW, how's that going? Not well.
Please share the source of your information that contradicts my experience.
You're wrong about Android being unsecurable - there are several high-end phone manufacturers that build their own secure Androids, you just won't see them on Best Buy.
You mean like the "most secure Android device" that was cracked in less than 5 minutes?
I guess your lips got to sore to read that old article in full. Or maybe DSD and AFP should be hiring you - 'cause the desperately want to break that particular device in the investigation of several recent murders.
Does cherry picking pay well?
This rumor comes up every year. There would be no advantage to them releasing an Android device. They wouldn't get any cut of app sales, they can't control Android security (which is an absolute joke), and people still won't buy it because it's a BB.
I'm a die hard BB fan. I've had 6 or 7 BB devices since 2004 (currently a Z10 running 10.3.1) and I'm a 10+ year BES admin. The BlackBerry 10 OS is solid, secure and fast. Give it time. A lot of time. It already runs most Android apps.
Android is a mess. It varies wildly between phone manufacturers and it is dominated by 2 or 3 companies. Don't go down that path.
I agree it's very unlikely they'd switch completely to Android. Obviously you're not aware they've been making a secure Android for certain customers for some time now (in partnership with Boeing).
You're wrong about Android being unsecurable - there are several high-end phone manufacturers that build their own secure Androids, you just won't see them on Best Buy (the cheapest is probably the Black Phone).
Sections of HQ Jock and Lockheed Martin have a strict policy on electronic devices that can be brought into secure areas - they have to be compared to detailed xray and infared images, and know weights before they are allowed in. The same data shows software and there are a number of "approved" secure Android (and iOS) builds - no Lumia though. There's some very interesting devices on those lists (and some sports car price range crap) - turns out there are many more phone manufacturers out there than what's available through your local carrier on a contract deal.
Like I said above, moats are also called grachten, and moats do not typically have houses on both sides, so that can't be a necessary condition for something to be called a gracht.
As a native Dutch speaker, I associate the term 'kanaal' with man-made waterways that are typically much wider than grachten, so a gracht is not a kanaal and a kanaal is not a gracht, even though they're both man-made and therefore differ from rivieren, beekjes, and (some) sloten.
The technical term for what the English would call a moat - if it's not used for a transport, and it doesn't have houses on both sides, is a singel. As a dozen Dutch and you'll get a dozen answers. Most will tell you that if it runs through the city is a gracht. Ask a dozen Dutch kanaal historians and you'll only get one answer. I got my definitions from them, and a quick look at Wikipedia shows the same definitions. Any Dutch drainage ditch or river that's been "improved" is a kanaal - but most Dutch will give it a more definitive name. Just like the English don't point to any body of water and say "that's a body of water" - they'll say "river, or lake, or creek". I point to what I was told was a gracht and get told it's a singel - I say "everyone calls it a gracht" and I'm told "they're idiots - there's a castle on one side and a park on the other, and no tow path or moorings - that section is a singel". (sigh)
As second prize you win 50Kg of lovely Dutch liquorice for your sweet tooth. Enjoy.
Yuck. I don't want to know what third place gets you.
Too late - it's 80Kg of salty liquorice and 10Kg of pickled herring. First prize is as much Dutch beer as you can drink.
Mmm hmm beer. Best drunk after breakfast at a nice cafe (giggle, hic).
According to story you linked to (thanks, by the way), it'll be built 'in the centre of Amsterdam'. Which makes sense, from a city marketing perspective. This implies it will definitely be over a gracht. I can assure you you're wrong in assuming the original poster didn't know what she was talking about.
I don't have your deep understanding of the GP's credibility and undocumented insights into the as yet approved project - so I'll take your assurances with the same bucket of salty liquorice I take the GP's language skills. Having spent a number years living in Amsterdam: there are central areas where canals (kanaals) are not grachts; nor your "intuitions" about city marketing, determine where the final location will be. Don't be surprise if it winds up being built in Oog - the prophesies of Dutch politicians and the accuracy of news releases from the marketing departments of dutch engineering companies are no more reliable than those in other countries.
Note that the "picture" that another poster mentions is not a real picture.
the picture implies it's inside a city.
Grachts, vaarts, and singels are all kanaals. As cities expanded singels became vaarts or grachts. Imply what you like from a picture of a kanaal that has yet to be decided on by the Dutch government - but you're just guessing.
however, the article is written in english so it's a canal.. besides, by the definition of the word canal it's still a canal. it's a man made waterway from the looks of it.
Is your point that you don't comprehend what I wrote? I was replied to someone who insisted that it was a gracht (a kanaal with houses on both sides). Gracht doesn't translate into a single English word. My point, which seems to elude you, is that if, as the GP suggests, we should use the Dutch term, it's a kanaal (though it might also be a gracht when the Dutch decide on the location of the project). Kanaal does translate - to canal (same thing in Polish, Italian, Portugese, French and probably other languages). If you're trying to make the point that we must always translate foreign terms from foreign lands into English - you're being petty. Especially given the limitations of the "English" language - which is built from other languages, and that only a handful of Dutch don't speak fluent English. No need to dumb everything down to the level of the lowest common denominator (most of us speak at least some of another language - except, perhaps, if your from the northern states of the USA).
It's not a canal. It's a gracht.
Wrong. It's a kannal. It might be a gracht, and if it is it could've been a vaart, maybe even a singel at some time.Until the Dutch government announce where it is I'd hold off on calling it a gracht - just in case both sides of the kanaal aren't lined with houses. No matter which water-filled ditch it is - it will always be a kannal.
Here's another (better?) story on the project.
I give more credits to the Dutch who lectured me on the history of their waterways than your Google university degree. As second prize you win 50Kg of lovely Dutch liquorice for your sweet tooth. Enjoy.
What's the host file solution to Mr Clippy living in localhost?
Personally, I've got four machines to patch (two Windows, one Mac, one Linux), and didn't mean to imply otherwise. It's rather common knowledge that "patch Tuesday" was started by MS in order to make things more convenient for corporate customers, instead of releasing patches on an ad hoc schedule.
As someone who deals with many of their corporate customers let me assure you it ain't convenient - we want the patches as soon as possible, and we'll deploy them as soon as we've tested them. Despite not knowing the personal motivations behind all the M$ executives who decided it's a monthly thing (and ignoring that I remember when it wasn't even monthly) I have a hard time believing they do because it's best for their corporate clients.
I bet you don't like some things the government does. You are invited to run for Senate or President. Because obviously if you don't, you should just shut up and gtfo.
Comprehension eludes you. There's a difference between having the capacity for the moral depravity and incompetence needed to be a politician - and the actual desire to be one. The ability to code, and active participation in OpenSSL seems similar - but what would I know. You certainly have my vote.
Complaining about open source software is like voting, you're letting your voice be heard but letting the other run the show.
A novel analogy. In what country to do you vote on random web forums? Which Open Source projects use any old web forum for bug tracking?
Submitting patches is like being a politician, you're the only actually doing the work.
If you'd only mentioned earlier that you were a politician it would have saved us all the trouble of taking anything you say seriously. Not that I think for a minute that you have tickets on yourself. Thanks for your invaluable opinions, unlike voting I actually welcome input from the uninformed - especially those that don't use my code, it's what motivates me to devote so much time to Open Source (and you thought it was because I'm tax payer funded and required to by law - how, um, quaint)
Dear butt-weasel,
People can point out issues even if they are not capable of providing fixes for them.
They can. Indeed they can. Only the other day I saw a bloke in a dressing gown giving similar suggestions to emergency workers fixing power lines. No doubt they appreciated the insights he offered.Just because a particular field of endeavor requires practitioners years of study and experience shouldn't prohibit the intuitively enhanced from giving directions. I bet the computer repair shop appreciate your directions on how to fix problems - that you don't know how to fix.
Not everyone is a coder, you elitist asshat.
Forgive me for not recognising the insurmountable barriers that have prevented you from ever learning to program. I now appreciate that not everyone is an uninformed arse-clown, we all have our crosses to bear. Carry on.
How about just simply and politely telling the caller that you're not in the market for his product/service,
How about they treat my phone like my front porch and fuck off before I set the dogs on them? There's a reason there's a gate and it's not just to keep the stock in. If I wanted to hear from every one and any one I'd still get a life instead. Just because there are jobs for cold callers doesn't make it a "right" to shove your shit in my face - if I want to buy something I'll go shopping, and if your product was worth buying you wouldn't need to push it like an aluminium cladding shill. Unsolicited sales calls are like spam or junk mail. No wonder people believe the NSA has a right to stick their nose in other people's lives. A dollar isn't that important.
Next you'll be trying to defend "opt-out" spam. (sigh) Perhaps you believe a choice between getting kicked in the nuts or kicked in the head is some sort of freedom?
They grew up in a time when there were 2 "snail mail" deliveries per day, so they could send/receive invitations for same evening - or the next day, if a reply was needed
Wow! Two deliveries a day. Not in Australia mate.
My family was always part of various social groups - church, sport, neighbourhood dinner parties etc. So there was always lots of venues were it would be prearranged to meet. Greeting others while shopping, walking the neighbourhood, or driving around, or using public transport also provided ways of prearranging visits. I live in a rural area so I still wave at every passing vehicle and we all meet at various community barbeques or dinners. And then there's the LUG and Makers group. Friends are people whose funerals and weddings I'll attend - everyone else is a stranger, colleague, or acquaintance. But I'd never walk up to a neighbours house without a good reason - someone arriving by car without advance warning is usually a sign of unwanted visitors. Things are no doubt different for some - seems they need to seek out company and will tell you their life story if you are unlucky enough to share a lift with them. My father used to say "the friends you get are determined by the friends you reject". I agree with him and are cautious about who I let get close to my family and I - especially cautious about whose opinion I make myself a prisoner of.
No pre-teen pregnancies in my family that I know of.
My mother was 30 when she had me (I'm not the eldest) and her mother was 28 (when she had my mother). Now her mother was 19 (when she had my grandmother, married at 18), but an average of over 25 years old for birth and my great-grandmother was alive when I was 19 (briefly, she passed that year). My eldest is 11 and my grandmother is still alive (I was 28 when she was born, increasing the average to almost 29). TL;DR Lots of people know their great-grand parents without pre-teen pregnancies. Oh, and yeah, my grandparents / great grandparents (only one of mine passed before I knew them) would never drop by unannounced. Heh, my father's father wouldn't even let the phone ring more than 3 times, thinking if you couldn't answer it that fast you were busy & he didn't want to intrude.
No pre-teen pregnancies in my family that I know of.
My mother was 30 when she had me (I'm not the eldest) and her mother was 28 (when she had my mother). Now her mother was 19 (when she had my grandmother, married at 18), but an average of over 25 years old for birth and my great-grandmother was alive when I was 19 (briefly, she passed that year). My eldest is 11 and my grandmother is still alive (I was 28 when she was born, increasing the average to almost 29). TL;DR Lots of people know their great-grand parents without pre-teen pregnancies. Oh, and yeah, my grandparents / great grandparents (only one of mine passed before I knew them) would never drop by unannounced. Heh, my father's father wouldn't even let the phone ring more than 3 times, thinking if you couldn't answer it that fast you were busy & he didn't want to intrude.
Longevity isn't one of my family traits - most died in their 60's or 70's, and we all had big families with more than a year between pregnancies (I was in kindergarten when my last great-grandparent died). My mother struggles with email and doesn't "get" word-wrap (but she does "get" Linux). She still won't answer phone calls after 8pm ('cause it must be bad news) and still uses a special table and chair for the telephone. She won't use an answering machine - or take calls if the Caller ID is blocked. She also thinks voicemail is rude (her words) - likewise people "dropping by" unannounced ("how can I be hospitable if they don't give me a chance to prepare"?).
My oldest grandchild is only 8 and Mum is in her early 80's, already "losing the plot", has had several falls that put her in hospital. I doubt my grandkids will remember her except by what we tell them.
No way Mum will have anything to do with Fffacebook ("rude, shameless gossip", "sad people with empty lives making themselves prisons of the opinions of strangers", "the worthless that talk about others, the shallow talk about themselves, and, those that talk of ideas") - likewise most of my offspring. Clearly there are different standards of manners and degrees of importance, likewise the need for recognition. Allegedly my grandmother was fond of saying "Success is determined by how little need you have for recognition or credit".
So what people are basically saying is, they don't want to do their job. Gotcha!
Only if their job is to answer phone calls. That is some people's jobs - and some of them are too stupid or vacuous to conceive of other jobs where most of the work involves not being on the phone. I'd explain more but it'd take longer than you've got between calls. Oh wait - you've got another IM. (lucky you don't have a job that requires extended periods of concentration - like more than 5 minutes or you'd get nothing done) If your job depends on voicemail most of the time I'd suggest most of your callers are kept waiting and not getting the level of service they should - perhaps you should look into fixing that? If it was my business the analysts aren't doing there job if there are many callers - and there's a major problem if the callers can't get through straight away, the vast majority comes through the ticket system and most calls are to the client - not the other way around. If they don't answer it's still a "respond", and "restore" is begun before trying to call them again.
I can conceive of lots of instances where voicemail is useful - but in my case I celebrate it's death, alongside television, radio, and instant messaging. They are all time thieves to me.
There's nothing more that I hate than coming into my cube
Don't you love it when message two makes message one redundant. Some people think voicemail is like the button at the pedestrian crossing (I know - pushing it multiple times does nothing, but they don't know that). But hey - some people think sending a photo of something you typed to someone so they print it out as a photo, then type it back in again is efficient. Or secure. Just because forty other harry-highpants said so, or a judge who thinks someone who can use a mouse is a skilled "hacker", or a (spit) lawyer - who charges you $50 to process that fax - and truly believes that the fax if more verifiable than a digital signature (no - a fax doesn't prove the content, only the transmission, and depending on the protocol, the receipt).
Our great-grandparents would be baffled.
Oh really? My grandparents would say "sorry to drop by uninvited". Seriously. And they sure as hell wouldn't call at meal times - even on the phone (there was no internets when they were alive). I have no idea what my great-grandparents would have thought. No pre-teen pregnancies in my family that I know of.
Because prospective clients are harder and more expensive to attain than retaining current clients. Obviously, you're not in sales.
Obviously. Roadmaster made the point about being polite to the first caller. Spammers and line jumpers, people who think they deserve an instant response are clueless and rude. If you deserve a priority response you'd have access to the ticket-system or your SLA would get you the non-public numbers. Sales people ring me at dinner and get all huffy when I ask them when they'll be having dinner so I can return their call. Hypocrites. If I wanted to buy your shit I'd be ringing you.
And no, I don't know what they say when I ring them at their dinner time, because I don't.
It's so good it sells itself Oh yeah? Well let's see how that works out [clunk!]
[return to listening to someone important] it's that stoner dude from despatch complaining about how no one returns his voicemail... maybe someone should tell him we scrapped voicemail last year?? (naah)
Turning off voicemail is dumb.
Turning it on is dumb - real estate agents leave messages. Eeew.
If you had a real job you'd know how we get jobs. It's called email. And no - we don't reply because we don't want to. Voicemail isn't for call screening - we've got caller ID for that, or email. Seriously. Surely real estate agents use email (not that I've rented - but I bet shift workers just love you ringing them, or people with jobs). If I was renting I'd want all my dealings with a real estate agent in writing. Do you block your caller-id when you ring?
I had to check the calendar, but no - it's not the first of April. M$ has flagged Ask as malware, and some journalist has noticed that voicemail is a waste of time. Yay! [OAP happy dance]
Two minutes to get through advertising and stupid menus to hear a distorted message from someone who's probably given up/trying to get through while you are trying to retrieve your voicemail, or woken up to the new thing called eeee-mail.
Am I the only one whose voicemail message says "My phone is either off or out of range - please email me or ring back later."? And yet people still leave messages like "brrrt, crrrtchk, tried to call, gggrch, later".
And WTF is the "press hash after the message" - it just confuses corned beef eaters and potheads (who really don't need more confusion), and it's bullshit - you don't need to press hash - it does nothing.
Mutter, mutter, I hate SMS too. Just send me an email - it's cheaper, it has vowels, I might even reply. Who knows?
Ask finally got what it's been asking for all along
Next up - McAffee.
Then Java, then Ffflash. I can see we're gunna need a longer wall. And maybe a conveyor belt.
It's also to protect you from snooping by the KGB.
Great stuff! So it secures my ISP as well? Will it wax my car too?
Yeah - I know, it only secures content after the connection. But seriously - given the level of government stupid when it comes to data security, and the number of CA compromises it seems like lipstick on a pig.
Still - like a crash helmet instead of a parachute when you jump from a plane, it's better than nothing. (or is that "less worse"?)